Why democracy fails

[Votto]

It is not about truth and wisdom; it is about persuasion and manipulation.

That is why the Left focuses on controlling the media and academia.

 

[norwegen]

Democracy is the most insipid form of government, beguiling the naive with promises of a voice. It is simply a rule men, not law.

Republicanism, or rule of law, is just. Unfortunately, it is also fragile.

 

[MarcATL]

Democracy is the most insipid form of government, beguiling the naive with promises of a voice. It is simply a rule men, not law.

Republicanism, or rule of law, is just. Unfortunately, it is also fragile.

Is that an actual term?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Democracy, in the US context, exists only so far as we vote for the people who represent us in Congress.
Those people, nominally, exercise the will of the people who voted them into office.

"Democracy!!!!!" as the lunatics on the left insist on using the term, does not exist here.

 

[norwegen]

Democracy, in the US context, exists only so far as we vote for the people who represent us in Congress.
Those people, nominally, exercise the will of the people who voted them into office.

"Democracy!!!!!" as the lunatics on the left insist on using the term, does not exist here.

The House of Representatives was the only democratic component of the federal government in its first 120 years or so. The left-wingers have since expanded the people's voice far beyond that, turning our republic into a democracy.

I beg to differ: democracy not only exists, but it now governs us. Hence, our nation is divided.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The House of Representatives was the only democratic component of the federal government in its first 120 years or so. The left-wingers have since expanded the people's voice far beyond that, turning our republic into a democracy.
I beg to differ: democracy not only exists, but it now governs us. Hence, our nation is divided.

No. Nationally, the people do not decide our laws, policies, actions, etc - the people we elect do.
The fact we elect more people to congress than we used to does not materially change this.

The important thing to remember: the people we elect are not beholden to the sentiment of the nation as a whole but those of their state/district -- it doesn't matter what % of the people the Democrats say support their position, if the people of your district oppose it, you better vote no. That's republicanism.

 

[1srelluc]

When best-laid plans have fallen to waste

and frustration abounds in their former place,

when failure looms with doubts and fears

we must endeavor to persevere!

- G. Wooten

 

[norwegen]

No. Nationally, the people do not decide our laws, policies, actions, etc - the people we elect do.
The fact we elect more people to congress than we used to does not materially change this.

The important thing to remember: the people we elect are not beholden to the sentiment of the nation as a whole but those of their state/district -- it doesn't matter what % of the people the Democrats say support their position, if the people of your district oppose it, you better vote no. That's republicanism.

The popular election of senators is a step toward democracy. The popular will in the election of president is a step toward democracy. The popular election of some judges is a step toward democracy.

The voice of the people extends far beyond republicanism. This democracy is dividing our country.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The popular election of senators is a step toward democracy.

Democracy in the US requires a constitutional amendment, perhaps several.

The popular will in the election of president is a step toward democracy

There is no popular will in the election of the President, as the people do not elect the President - indeed, the people have no right to vote for President.

The popular election of some judges is a step toward democracy.

This does not exist at the national level.

 

[norwegen]

Democracy in the US requires a constitutional amendment, perhaps several.

Amendment XVII, ratified in the PROGRESSIVE Era.

There is no popular will in the election of the President, as the people do not elect the President - indeed, the people have no right to vote for President.

Tell that to the people who vote for president.

Popular will significantly determines the composition of the Electoral College.

This does not exist at the national level.

So, it exists, then.



In the end, what do you think is better? Democracy or republicanism? That is, a rule of men or a rule of law?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Amendment XVII, ratified in the PROGRESSIVE Era.

This does not create a democracy in America beyond that which I described.

Tell that to the people who vote for president.

I will. Every day.
Your state grants you the privilege to vote for the seating of its electors; it need not do so, and you have no constitutionally viable argument to force it to do so.

So, it exists, then.

Not within the context of my original statement.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

I beg to differ: democracy not only exists, but it now governs us. Hence, our nation is divided.

Democracy exists in the form of mob rule.
That’s how democrat urban areas are dictating to massive swaths of ruralities.

 

[norwegen]

This does not create a democracy in America beyond that which I described.

I will. Every day.
Your state grants you the privilege to vote for the seating of its electors; it need not do so, and you have no constitutionally viable argument to force it to do so.

Not within the context of my original statement.

The infiltration of democracy into a republic is a slow creep. Amendment XVII is just a step.

States can discontinue popular will in presidential elections; that is quite true. Imagine the outrage from the looney left if that were to happen. They call for the abolition of the Electoral College. They want votes from the ignorant masses.

My response to your statement, ""Democracy!!!!!" as the lunatics on the left insist on using the term, does not exist here," is in context. It does exist. Democracy can only get worse, and as we see from left-wing riots in recent years, the escalation seems almost exponential.

 

[norwegen]

Democracy exists in the form of mob rule.
That’s how democrat urban areas are dictating to massive swaths of ruralities.

Mob rule is all it amounts to.

 

[norwegen]

Democracy is left-wing ideology that fails because people are ignorant. That's the bottom line.