Why Confront Islam?

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Confronting any religion is like attacking a multi-headed monster. As there are so many streams to any particular theology and so many obscure sects a sensible approach is a careful reading, analysis and criticism of the contents of so called holy books. Sadly political ‘correctness' tells us the criticism of these tomes is out of bounds. Why?
When the religious are only too willing to throw chapter and verse at non-believers why can’t we dissect their superstitious mythology, drawing attention for instance to the many mistranslations and misinterpretations of the Bibles/Koran etc and their numerous internal contradictions ? There’s an ancient saying that comes to mind here... ‘Know thine enemy’.

Also worth considering are the toxic psychological effects of raising the young on superstitious mythology of the kind pushed by the Church for instance. Inculcating worship from a young age of a male ‘father’ God who tortured his own son to redeem humanities sins, sins he knowingly made possible in ’the beginning' by granting free will to our species. Reinforce this teaching with constant exposure to images of a semi naked male ‘saviour’ nailed to a cross by his father and the almost universal practice of priestly pedophilia becomes explicable if never justifiable .
But hey, there’s always the believers’ comforting delusion of blaming Satan for almost every manifestation of abhorrent behaviour.

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But hey, there’s always the believers’ comforting delusion of blaming Satan for almost every manifestation of abhorrent behaviour.

the believers’ comforting delusion of blaming Satan ...

there is a regression from the 1st century events to the conceptual rendering of the christian bible written in the 4th century establishing the religion of the roman empire - so much so those who persecuted the innocent after the 1st century became those in the 4th century that were responsible for the doctrine of the new religion ... the "believers" to this day in fact the crucifiers of the true religion of antiquity.

until the crucifiers are brought to justice there is no possibility for humanities revival through any of the present three desert religions by their scriptures - as proven throughout history their uninterrupted record to victimize innocence their religions have no means for understanding. understanding the 1st century events.

I suspect I’d agree with a lot of what you’re saying if your English usage was less confusing and ambiguous. Is this your native language?

Well he is a socialist so maybe you would.

 

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All religions need to be confronted, especially in the face of the most recent knowledge of the universe. People need to understand better what is going on in this existence. Otherwise, they will remain misguided children.

How does our recent knowledge of the universe alter their beliefs?

Because I believe it reinforces that intelligence has always existed as the source of matter rather than emerging in the latter stages of the evolution of matter.

 

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Confronting any religion is like attacking a multi-headed monster. As there are so many streams to any particular theology and so many obscure sects a sensible approach is a careful reading, analysis and criticism of the contents of so called holy books. Sadly political ‘correctness' tells us the criticism of these tomes is out of bounds. Why?
When the religious are only too willing to throw chapter and verse at non-believers why can’t we dissect their superstitious mythology, drawing attention for instance to the many mistranslations and misinterpretations of the Bibles/Koran etc and their numerous internal contradictions ? There’s an ancient saying that comes to mind here... ‘Know thine enemy’.

Also worth considering are the toxic psychological effects of raising the young on superstitious mythology of the kind pushed by the Church for instance. Inculcating worship from a young age of a male ‘father’ God who tortured his own son to redeem humanities sins, sins he knowingly made possible in ’the beginning' by granting free will to our species. Reinforce this teaching with constant exposure to images of a semi naked male ‘saviour’ nailed to a cross by his father and the almost universal practice of priestly pedophilia becomes explicable if never justifiable .
But hey, there’s always the believers’ comforting delusion of blaming Satan for almost every manifestation of abhorrent behaviour.

Would you like to abolish religion?

 

[there4eyeM]

"Matter" is the very definition of illusion, as science illustriously demonstrates.

 

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"Matter" is the very definition of illusion, as science illustriously demonstrates.

Actually it isn't. I'm assuming you are referring to the uncertainty principle. The reality is there are all sorts of "observations" that causes matter to choose. From a practical sense, everything is real.

No other scientific principle has been more misunderstood or abused.

We live in a deterministic world which follows rules as such every cause has an effect and every effect has a cause. Therefore, everything happens for a reason and serves a purpose.

 

[there4eyeM]

The only thing determined is that something will happen, and even that may be in doubt.
Quantum fields disgorge particles in discrete packages for incredibly short times in incredibly small spaces.
Matter, nevertheless, does not determine reality. We do.

 

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The only thing determined is that something will happen, and even that may be in doubt.
Quantum fields disgorge particles in discrete packages for incredibly short times in incredibly small spaces.
Matter, nevertheless, does not determine reality. We do.

And what does that really affect? Nothing. Why? Because they all still obey the laws of nature. They don't violate entropy, they don't violate conservation, they don't violate gravity. As long as they obey the laws of nature the universe behaves deterministically.

No, we don't determine reality. We can either see reality or we can see our perception of reality. Our perception of reality most likely isn't reality most of the time.

What you are referring to is the movie playing inside of everyone's mind. That is not reality. That is fiction.

 

[there4eyeM]

Concerning post #367
There is nothing other than perception of reality, or certainly nothing that can be proven.

 

[danielpalos]

Confronting any religion is like attacking a multi-headed monster. As there are so many streams to any particular theology and so many obscure sects a sensible approach is a careful reading, analysis and criticism of the contents of so called holy books. Sadly political ‘correctness' tells us the criticism of these tomes is out of bounds. Why?
When the religious are only too willing to throw chapter and verse at non-believers why can’t we dissect their superstitious mythology, drawing attention for instance to the many mistranslations and misinterpretations of the Bibles/Koran etc and their numerous internal contradictions ? There’s an ancient saying that comes to mind here... ‘Know thine enemy’.

Also worth considering are the toxic psychological effects of raising the young on superstitious mythology of the kind pushed by the Church for instance. Inculcating worship from a young age of a male ‘father’ God who tortured his own son to redeem humanities sins, sins he knowingly made possible in ’the beginning' by granting free will to our species. Reinforce this teaching with constant exposure to images of a semi naked male ‘saviour’ nailed to a cross by his father and the almost universal practice of priestly pedophilia becomes explicable if never justifiable .
But hey, there’s always the believers’ comforting delusion of blaming Satan for almost every manifestation of abhorrent behaviour.

Would you like to abolish religion?

we have to "pick and choose our moral battles".

 

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Concerning post #367
There is nothing other than perception of reality, or certainly nothing that can be proven.

Wrong. There is a final state of fact for all things. Once it is discovered it will be known that it was always that way and will always be that way. This we know as objective truth or reality.

 

[ding]

Confronting any religion is like attacking a multi-headed monster. As there are so many streams to any particular theology and so many obscure sects a sensible approach is a careful reading, analysis and criticism of the contents of so called holy books. Sadly political ‘correctness' tells us the criticism of these tomes is out of bounds. Why?
When the religious are only too willing to throw chapter and verse at non-believers why can’t we dissect their superstitious mythology, drawing attention for instance to the many mistranslations and misinterpretations of the Bibles/Koran etc and their numerous internal contradictions ? There’s an ancient saying that comes to mind here... ‘Know thine enemy’.

Also worth considering are the toxic psychological effects of raising the young on superstitious mythology of the kind pushed by the Church for instance. Inculcating worship from a young age of a male ‘father’ God who tortured his own son to redeem humanities sins, sins he knowingly made possible in ’the beginning' by granting free will to our species. Reinforce this teaching with constant exposure to images of a semi naked male ‘saviour’ nailed to a cross by his father and the almost universal practice of priestly pedophilia becomes explicable if never justifiable .
But hey, there’s always the believers’ comforting delusion of blaming Satan for almost every manifestation of abhorrent behaviour.

Would you like to abolish religion?

we have to "pick and choose our moral battles".

And how do you decide which moral battle to pick to fight?

 

[danielpalos]

Confronting any religion is like attacking a multi-headed monster. As there are so many streams to any particular theology and so many obscure sects a sensible approach is a careful reading, analysis and criticism of the contents of so called holy books. Sadly political ‘correctness' tells us the criticism of these tomes is out of bounds. Why?
When the religious are only too willing to throw chapter and verse at non-believers why can’t we dissect their superstitious mythology, drawing attention for instance to the many mistranslations and misinterpretations of the Bibles/Koran etc and their numerous internal contradictions ? There’s an ancient saying that comes to mind here... ‘Know thine enemy’.

Also worth considering are the toxic psychological effects of raising the young on superstitious mythology of the kind pushed by the Church for instance. Inculcating worship from a young age of a male ‘father’ God who tortured his own son to redeem humanities sins, sins he knowingly made possible in ’the beginning' by granting free will to our species. Reinforce this teaching with constant exposure to images of a semi naked male ‘saviour’ nailed to a cross by his father and the almost universal practice of priestly pedophilia becomes explicable if never justifiable .
But hey, there’s always the believers’ comforting delusion of blaming Satan for almost every manifestation of abhorrent behaviour.

Would you like to abolish religion?

we have to "pick and choose our moral battles".

And how do you decide which moral battle to pick to fight?

Those which strive to achieve these goals:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

 

[BreezeWood]

Confronting any religion is like attacking a multi-headed monster. As there are so many streams to any particular theology and so many obscure sects a sensible approach is a careful reading, analysis and criticism of the contents of so called holy books. Sadly political ‘correctness' tells us the criticism of these tomes is out of bounds. Why?
When the religious are only too willing to throw chapter and verse at non-believers why can’t we dissect their superstitious mythology, drawing attention for instance to the many mistranslations and misinterpretations of the Bibles/Koran etc and their numerous internal contradictions ? There’s an ancient saying that comes to mind here... ‘Know thine enemy’.

Also worth considering are the toxic psychological effects of raising the young on superstitious mythology of the kind pushed by the Church for instance. Inculcating worship from a young age of a male ‘father’ God who tortured his own son to redeem humanities sins, sins he knowingly made possible in ’the beginning' by granting free will to our species. Reinforce this teaching with constant exposure to images of a semi naked male ‘saviour’ nailed to a cross by his father and the almost universal practice of priestly pedophilia becomes explicable if never justifiable .
But hey, there’s always the believers’ comforting delusion of blaming Satan for almost every manifestation of abhorrent behaviour.

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But hey, there’s always the believers’ comforting delusion of blaming Satan for almost every manifestation of abhorrent behaviour.

the believers’ comforting delusion of blaming Satan ...

there is a regression from the 1st century events to the conceptual rendering of the christian bible written in the 4th century establishing the religion of the roman empire - so much so those who persecuted the innocent after the 1st century became those in the 4th century that were responsible for the doctrine of the new religion ... the "believers" to this day in fact the crucifiers of the true religion of antiquity.

until the crucifiers are brought to justice there is no possibility for humanities revival through any of the present three desert religions by their scriptures - as proven throughout history their uninterrupted record to victimize innocence their religions have no means for understanding. understanding the 1st century events.

I suspect I’d agree with a lot of what you’re saying if your English usage was less confusing and ambiguous. Is this your native language?

Well he is a socialist so maybe you would.

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I suspect I’d agree with a lot of what you’re saying if your English usage was less confusing and ambiguous. Is this your native language?

if your English usage was less confusing and ambiguous ...

I stopped reading the c bible after the first forgery on pg. 1 ... their language throughout that book when read in excerpts is distinct for its lassitude of the specific subject matter, religious script and also for secular purposes - Ex.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

if you are questioning James Madison's english rather the interpretation of the above or the writers of the religious text, have at it all you want - otherwise their tangential content is in fact what is intended ... also the means used by religionists for the same purpose. this being the religion / ethics forum.

Well he is a socialist so maybe you would.

not very explicit, bing who you are talking about ... that being the religion of the roman empire or the events of the 1st century.

 

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Confronting any religion is like attacking a multi-headed monster. As there are so many streams to any particular theology and so many obscure sects a sensible approach is a careful reading, analysis and criticism of the contents of so called holy books. Sadly political ‘correctness' tells us the criticism of these tomes is out of bounds. Why?
When the religious are only too willing to throw chapter and verse at non-believers why can’t we dissect their superstitious mythology, drawing attention for instance to the many mistranslations and misinterpretations of the Bibles/Koran etc and their numerous internal contradictions ? There’s an ancient saying that comes to mind here... ‘Know thine enemy’.

Also worth considering are the toxic psychological effects of raising the young on superstitious mythology of the kind pushed by the Church for instance. Inculcating worship from a young age of a male ‘father’ God who tortured his own son to redeem humanities sins, sins he knowingly made possible in ’the beginning' by granting free will to our species. Reinforce this teaching with constant exposure to images of a semi naked male ‘saviour’ nailed to a cross by his father and the almost universal practice of priestly pedophilia becomes explicable if never justifiable .
But hey, there’s always the believers’ comforting delusion of blaming Satan for almost every manifestation of abhorrent behaviour.

Would you like to abolish religion?

we have to "pick and choose our moral battles".

And how do you decide which moral battle to pick to fight?

Those which strive to achieve these goals:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

So why aren't you fighting Christianity?

That would seem to be the logical conclusion of your beliefs.

 

[there4eyeM]

Perceptions are entirely subjective, internal phenomena. They may or may not be stimulated by something external. All discoveries are made through perceptions. There can be no exceptions to this. Sorry for those who seek external reality and truth; it cannot be demonstrated as we cannot step out of our perceptions in order to perceive them, just as we cannot step out of the universe to compare it to our expectations or judgements.

 

[ding]

Perceptions are entirely subjective, internal phenomena. They may or may not be stimulated by something external. All discoveries are made through perceptions. There can be no exceptions to this. Sorry for those who seek external reality and truth; it cannot be demonstrated as we cannot step out of our perceptions in order to perceive them, just as we cannot step out of the universe to compare it to our expectations or judgements.

You are literally arguing that it is impossible to be objective. That is total bullshit. I am certain if you look back at your experiences you will find times that you were objective about something.

 

[danielpalos]

Religion should be used for Goodness and not Badness.

 

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Religion should be used for Goodness and not Badness.

God uses it all for the good of those who love him.

 

[danielpalos]

Religion should be used for Goodness and not Badness.

God uses it all for the good of those who love him.

we may be in Nexus Six with Zardoz and the incorrigibles.

Are we not yet Good enough for Nexus Five even with Zardoz but with the corrigibles?

 

[ding]

Religion should be used for Goodness and not Badness.

God uses it all for the good of those who love him.

we may be in Nexus Six with Zardoz and the incorrigibles.

Are we not yet Good enough for Nexus Five even with Zardoz but with the corrigibles?

I need a babel fish.