Why can't conservatives/GOP learn from history?

[LeftofLeft]

Nope, and they aren't economic powerhouses either! The reason for that? Because they are Social democracies!

Who here wants to look like Europe, signify with a "I do, I do."

If Europe was sooooooooooooo wonderful, why they never would have come here, now would they. Did you see all those Americans going over to Europe in the 40s, 50s, and 60s? No, why not? Oh wait, I am wrong, forgive me-( We actually DID see a lot of Americans going over to Europe; American soldiers, to save Europes ass from European born NAZISM, FACISM, and COMMUNISM.

And what did Europe send to us as their gift? Why Fabian Socialism, the degrowth movement known far and wide as environmentalism, the welfare state, outrageous taxes, and out of sight fuel prices. And what is the NUMBER ONE argument that lefties use for these policies? "Europe does it, and so should we." See, FABIAN SOCIALISM. I know it, they know it, but better yet, YOU know it. And if you allow these idiots to turn us into Europe, then welcome to the end of the grand experiment that kicked everyones rearend, and now we can be like........oh I don't know, lets pick one...........France. Polly-vu-screw-you- lefties.

Germany is not an economic powerhouse? Man, just like most 'Conservatives' you are totally out of touch with reality.

Neither socialism or capitalism is successful by itself. Both have fatal internal flaws. However, using each as a tool, rather than a religion, and you get a successful system. National Parks, public libraries, public education, military, FDA, CDC, and the other alphabet soup agencies that regulate and protect us, are all socialist institutions. Businesses from the multi-nationals to the mom and pop grocery are capitalist institutions.

You don't like parts of the mix, that is what elections are about. You want to drown the government in a bathtub, go to Somalia. That is where you belong.

Capitalism and Socialism can work together but Capitalism must be greater......otherwise, who pays for Socialism??

Ask about who saved the Banksters (capitalism didn't work very well there) Oh right, it was socialism saving capitalism

Bush: ‘I’ve Abandoned Free Market Principles To Save The Free Market System’

It was Capitalism that afforded him to make that statement. Think boy.

You mean the thing that almost collapsed the worlds economies?

You are not thinking. You are attacking because you hate Capitalism.

 

[Two Thumbs]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go **** yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

 

[Correll]

There is nothing "weird" about pointing out other factors that could have been more responsible for the Post War Boom, then unions.

It is disingenuous of you to pretend that there is.

Weird ONE part is taken out and you want to argue that single part? lol

Middle-Class Decline Mirrors The Fall Of Unions In One Chart

WWII, and the destruction of vast amounts of the industrialized world, EXCEPT for the US, is a pretty big part to ignore.

IMO, the immediate post war situation is a terrible place to drawn conclusions from because of the oddity of the economic situation.

Oddity? 90% of the world was rebuilt by 1955, why did the US middle class contuse to grow until 1971? ...

Link to support that 90% of the world was rebuilt by 55, with as much detail as possible.

Talking infrastructure end business Bubs.

Marshall Plan - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Reconstruction of Germany - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Aftermath of World War II - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Want to cut and paste some of the most relevant points for review?

Or do you just throw stuff up and keep yammering?

 

[Correll]

YOu're kind of all over the place.

I made my point about one of your posts. You have not really addressed that as of yet.

Sure. Give it to me again?

Sure.

So, unions were responsible for the Post War boom?

THe fact that the rest of the world had been bombed flat and thus could NOT compete with US, AND needed to rebuild had nothing to do with it?

Got it. YOU are dishonest. I'm shocked

Personal attacks do not support your argument, and only make you look like you are trying to avoid honest and serious debate.

Also, a rude asshole.

Got it. YOU aren't honest and choose to pull out ONE part of PROGRESSIVE policies that created the worlds largest middle class. Weird, dishonest not worthy of my time!

You seemed pretty focused on unions. Do you want to actually discuss issues, or use shotgun fallacy approach to avoid serious discussion?

 

[Correll]

over 300 bills passed by the "do-nothing" Republican Party never made it to the floor of the Senate for debate under former Senate Leader Reid

try another talking point stupid

you mean winger bills like personhood bills?

or more tax cuts for corporations?

no. those didn't get there, winger. that;s not what people voted for.

and the first bill the wingers tried to pass when they finally got the house was a personhood law.

nutters.......

YAWN; doesn't matter what they were leftard, we both know they weren't brought to the floor by Reid not because they had no chance of passing but because they WOULD HAVE PASSED.
that's why you dummies lost the Senate

libs are losers who lie to themselves

You are projection personified Bubba

His point is valid. That you dodged it, shows you to be dishonest.

 

[Correll]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go **** yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

TO be fair "Free Trade" has had bi-partisan support for quite some time, before and after Bill Clinton.

Nafta passed with plenty of GOP support.

 

[Two Thumbs]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go **** yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

TO be fair "Free Trade" has had bi-partisan support for quite some time, before and after Bill Clinton.

Nafta passed with plenty of GOP support.

To be fair to the lying piles of shit that blame everything on Bush would be more than fair.

he ******* put his name on it, it's on him.

 

[Correll]

Weird ONE part is taken out and you want to argue that single part? lol

Middle-Class Decline Mirrors The Fall Of Unions In One Chart

WWII, and the destruction of vast amounts of the industrialized world, EXCEPT for the US, is a pretty big part to ignore.

IMO, the immediate post war situation is a terrible place to drawn conclusions from because of the oddity of the economic situation.

Oddity? 90% of the world was rebuilt by 1955, why did the US middle class contuse to grow until 1971? Why did IUS incomes grow until 1979? What relation to taxes on the very wealthiest in the US (effective rates above 50% from 1932-1980) did the boom have? Why is it that through history, supply side has failed over and over yet cons don't get it?

Middle Class Series: The Failure of Supply-Side Economics

Three Decades of Empirical Economic Data Shows That Supply-Side Economics Doesn’t Work


When President Bill Clinton, raised taxes that same year did the economy suffer a slowdown, as was predicted by those who believe in supply-side economics? The data says no.

The Failure of Supply-Side Economics Center for American Progress

The world was rebuilt by 1955?

Lmao, what an ignorant yard ... Try late 60s early 70s when we had the japanese invasion of cars.

God you are stupid.

Yes Dummy look to history that 90% of the factories and places of commerce were rebuilt by 1955

We had an "invasion" of autos that took market share BECAUSE of the oil crisis of the early 1970's (NOT late 1960's) , as US auto comps were morons (Proven later with quality issues) , just like they did with Dubya's "go out and spend" they created the demand for SUV's!




The 1950s onwards saw the beginning of the reconstruction of a new global economy. Between 1950 and 1973 the annual real GDP growth of developed market economies averaged around 5 percent. This growth was smooth, with none of the major recessions seen in the interwar years. World War II left the United States in a uniquely powerful position. While Europe and Asia had experienced extensive destruction and loss of life, no battles had been fought on the soil of the United States. The U.S. dollar became the world's major reserve currency. U.S. corporations assumed leading positions in many industries. Europe and Japan had to spend the immediate postwar decade undergoing extensive reconstruction, heavily dependent on official aid from the United States, yet over time Europe and Japan closed the technological and productivity gap with the United States. The emergence of a U.S. deficit on its balance of trade in the 1960s, and the devaluation of the U.S. dollar and the end of its convertibility into gold in 1971, provided symbolic signs of the ending of an era.



....In the twenty years after 1945 the European colonial empires were dismantled. In some cases, decolonization was followed by an aggressive reaction against the businesses of the former colonial power, and sometimes all foreign investment. The relatively small number of expropriations without compensation until the late 1960s—when a period of large-scale expropriation began—reflected the power and determination of the United States to protect foreign investments, but Western countries were unable to reestablish an international legal regime that guaranteed the property rights of international investors. Even in the developed countries, receptivity towards multinationals fell. In Europe and the United States, whole sectors were closed to foreign companies. The Japanese economy grew so fast that it had become the world's second-largest capitalist economy by the 1970s, but its governments systematically discouraged wholly owned FDI [foreign direct investment], and restricted it to a low level. During the 1940s and early 1950s only the U.S. dollar was available as a major convertible currency. Elsewhere exchange controls regulated capital movements. They were often the instruments used by governments to screen or monitor FDI flows. The world-wide controls over capital movements were related to balance of payments concerns and the system of fixed exchange rates established at Bretton Woods. It was not until 1958 that most European countries adopted nonresident convertibility, which permitted foreigners to move funds for current account purposes freely from one country to another. This was the key development in the establishment of a liberal and open international economy

...It was only after the collapse of the Bretton Woods system of fixed exchange rates in the early 1970s that controls over capital movements began to be slowly dismantled. The advent of floating exchange rates permitted a huge explosion in international financial markets from the 1970s, but these capital flows were different than before 1914, for they largely occurred between rich countries


World trade barriers were reduced under the auspices of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) signed in 1947. This process peaked in the 1960s, when the Kennedy Administration in the United States made major efforts to secure radical reductions in tariff rates. During the middle of this decade there was a comprehensive reduction of barriers to trade in manufactured goods. By the end of the 1960s, however, the U.S.-inspired drive for trade liberalization showed a loss of momentum, as U.S. balance of payments deficits began to cause concern about the scale of foreign imports. Nontariff barriers spread in the following decade. Most developing countries in Latin America, Asia, and Africa became progressively closed to international trade from the 1950s to the 1980s. Even the richest and most developed countries maintained very high levels...

The resumption of multinational growth



The expansion of the world economy prompted a recovery in the growth rate of world FDI. The system of international cartels was dismantled. By 1960 the world stock of FDI had reached $60 billion. By 1980 it was over $500 billion. These were the decades when the term "multinational" was invented, and when economic theorists turned their attention to explaining their existence.
Restoring a Global Economy 1950 1980 HBS Working Knowledge

it wasn't just cars in the 70s ya fuckin moron...

You do even bother to read what you post did you bother to notice 20 years?

God you are stupid.

And the bigger your cut and pastes, the less people read. Make your points in your own words. Provide links to support your logic or claims, not to make them for you.

 

[Correll]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go **** yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

TO be fair "Free Trade" has had bi-partisan support for quite some time, before and after Bill Clinton.

Nafta passed with plenty of GOP support.

To be fair to the lying piles of shit that blame everything on Bush would be more than fair.

he ******* put his name on it, it's on him.

Fair enough.

 

[Dad2three]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go **** yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

You mean the best conservative Prez since Ike, BJ Bill agreed with Heritages Foundations NAFTA that Ronnie Reagan announced he was for the day he ran for Prez? Yep

 

[Dad2three]

Sure. Give it to me again?

Sure.

So, unions were responsible for the Post War boom?

THe fact that the rest of the world had been bombed flat and thus could NOT compete with US, AND needed to rebuild had nothing to do with it?

Got it. YOU are dishonest. I'm shocked

Personal attacks do not support your argument, and only make you look like you are trying to avoid honest and serious debate.

Also, a rude asshole.

Got it. YOU aren't honest and choose to pull out ONE part of PROGRESSIVE policies that created the worlds largest middle class. Weird, dishonest not worthy of my time!

You seemed pretty focused on unions. Do you want to actually discuss issues, or use shotgun fallacy approach to avoid serious discussion?

ANOTHER CONservative pretending to be a "moderate" who wants to have actual debates, lol

 

[Dad2three]

Weird ONE part is taken out and you want to argue that single part? lol

Middle-Class Decline Mirrors The Fall Of Unions In One Chart

WWII, and the destruction of vast amounts of the industrialized world, EXCEPT for the US, is a pretty big part to ignore.

IMO, the immediate post war situation is a terrible place to drawn conclusions from because of the oddity of the economic situation.

Oddity? 90% of the world was rebuilt by 1955, why did the US middle class contuse to grow until 1971? ...

Link to support that 90% of the world was rebuilt by 55, with as much detail as possible.

Talking infrastructure end business Bubs.

Marshall Plan - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Reconstruction of Germany - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Aftermath of World War II - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Want to cut and paste some of the most relevant points for review?

Or do you just throw stuff up and keep yammering?

You are ALREADY doing a pretty good job of "yammering" Bubba

 

[Dad2three]

over 300 bills passed by the "do-nothing" Republican Party never made it to the floor of the Senate for debate under former Senate Leader Reid

try another talking point stupid

you mean winger bills like personhood bills?

or more tax cuts for corporations?

no. those didn't get there, winger. that;s not what people voted for.

and the first bill the wingers tried to pass when they finally got the house was a personhood law.

nutters.......

YAWN; doesn't matter what they were leftard, we both know they weren't brought to the floor by Reid not because they had no chance of passing but because they WOULD HAVE PASSED.
that's why you dummies lost the Senate

libs are losers who lie to themselves

You are projection personified Bubba

His point is valid. That you dodged it, shows you to be dishonest.

His points valid? lol

Senate Democratic minority snagged 20 million more votes than GOP majority


GOP Memo: Gerrymandering Won Us The House Majority

In the memo -- titled "How a Strategy of Targeting State Legislative Races in 2010 Led to a Republican U.S. House Majority in 2013" -- RSLC boasts that it "raised more than $30 million in 2009-2010, and invested $18 million after Labor Day 2010 alone" to ensure statehouse victories in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin.

"The rationale was straightforward," reads the memo. "Controlling the redistricting process in these states would have the greatest impact on determining how both state legislative and congressional district boundaries would be drawn. Drawing new district lines in states with the most redistricting activity presented the opportunity to solidify conservative policymaking at the state level and maintain a Republican stronghold in the U.S. House of Representatives for the next decade."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/gop-memo-gerrymandering-won-us-the-house-majority

 

[Dad2three]

WWII, and the destruction of vast amounts of the industrialized world, EXCEPT for the US, is a pretty big part to ignore.

IMO, the immediate post war situation is a terrible place to drawn conclusions from because of the oddity of the economic situation.

Oddity? 90% of the world was rebuilt by 1955, why did the US middle class contuse to grow until 1971? Why did IUS incomes grow until 1979? What relation to taxes on the very wealthiest in the US (effective rates above 50% from 1932-1980) did the boom have? Why is it that through history, supply side has failed over and over yet cons don't get it?

Middle Class Series: The Failure of Supply-Side Economics

Three Decades of Empirical Economic Data Shows That Supply-Side Economics Doesn’t Work


When President Bill Clinton, raised taxes that same year did the economy suffer a slowdown, as was predicted by those who believe in supply-side economics? The data says no.

The Failure of Supply-Side Economics Center for American Progress

The world was rebuilt by 1955?

Lmao, what an ignorant yard ... Try late 60s early 70s when we had the japanese invasion of cars.

God you are stupid.

Yes Dummy look to history that 90% of the factories and places of commerce were rebuilt by 1955

We had an "invasion" of autos that took market share BECAUSE of the oil crisis of the early 1970's (NOT late 1960's) , as US auto comps were morons (Proven later with quality issues) , just like they did with Dubya's "go out and spend" they created the demand for SUV's!




The 1950s onwards saw the beginning of the reconstruction of a new global economy. Between 1950 and 1973 the annual real GDP growth of developed market economies averaged around 5 percent. This growth was smooth, with none of the major recessions seen in the interwar years. World War II left the United States in a uniquely powerful position. While Europe and Asia had experienced extensive destruction and loss of life, no battles had been fought on the soil of the United States. The U.S. dollar became the world's major reserve currency. U.S. corporations assumed leading positions in many industries. Europe and Japan had to spend the immediate postwar decade undergoing extensive reconstruction, heavily dependent on official aid from the United States, yet over time Europe and Japan closed the technological and productivity gap with the United States. The emergence of a U.S. deficit on its balance of trade in the 1960s, and the devaluation of the U.S. dollar and the end of its convertibility into gold in 1971, provided symbolic signs of the ending of an era.



....In the twenty years after 1945 the European colonial empires were dismantled. In some cases, decolonization was followed by an aggressive reaction against the businesses of the former colonial power, and sometimes all foreign investment. The relatively small number of expropriations without compensation until the late 1960s—when a period of large-scale expropriation began—reflected the power and determination of the United States to protect foreign investments, but Western countries were unable to reestablish an international legal regime that guaranteed the property rights of international investors. Even in the developed countries, receptivity towards multinationals fell. In Europe and the United States, whole sectors were closed to foreign companies. The Japanese economy grew so fast that it had become the world's second-largest capitalist economy by the 1970s, but its governments systematically discouraged wholly owned FDI [foreign direct investment], and restricted it to a low level. During the 1940s and early 1950s only the U.S. dollar was available as a major convertible currency. Elsewhere exchange controls regulated capital movements. They were often the instruments used by governments to screen or monitor FDI flows. The world-wide controls over capital movements were related to balance of payments concerns and the system of fixed exchange rates established at Bretton Woods. It was not until 1958 that most European countries adopted nonresident convertibility, which permitted foreigners to move funds for current account purposes freely from one country to another. This was the key development in the establishment of a liberal and open international economy

...It was only after the collapse of the Bretton Woods system of fixed exchange rates in the early 1970s that controls over capital movements began to be slowly dismantled. The advent of floating exchange rates permitted a huge explosion in international financial markets from the 1970s, but these capital flows were different than before 1914, for they largely occurred between rich countries


World trade barriers were reduced under the auspices of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) signed in 1947. This process peaked in the 1960s, when the Kennedy Administration in the United States made major efforts to secure radical reductions in tariff rates. During the middle of this decade there was a comprehensive reduction of barriers to trade in manufactured goods. By the end of the 1960s, however, the U.S.-inspired drive for trade liberalization showed a loss of momentum, as U.S. balance of payments deficits began to cause concern about the scale of foreign imports. Nontariff barriers spread in the following decade. Most developing countries in Latin America, Asia, and Africa became progressively closed to international trade from the 1950s to the 1980s. Even the richest and most developed countries maintained very high levels...

The resumption of multinational growth



The expansion of the world economy prompted a recovery in the growth rate of world FDI. The system of international cartels was dismantled. By 1960 the world stock of FDI had reached $60 billion. By 1980 it was over $500 billion. These were the decades when the term "multinational" was invented, and when economic theorists turned their attention to explaining their existence.
Restoring a Global Economy 1950 1980 HBS Working Knowledge

it wasn't just cars in the 70s ya fuckin moron...

You do even bother to read what you post did you bother to notice 20 years?

God you are stupid.

And the bigger your cut and pastes, the less people read. Make your points in your own words. Provide links to support your logic or claims, not to make them for you.

Right as YOU do NONE of your posit. Weird

 

[Meathead]

You mean the best conservative Prez since Ike, BJ Bill agreed with Heritages Foundations NAFTA that Ronnie Reagan announced he was for the day he ran for Prez? Yep

Do you talk like that too?

 

[Dad2three]

Germany is not an economic powerhouse? Man, just like most 'Conservatives' you are totally out of touch with reality.

Neither socialism or capitalism is successful by itself. Both have fatal internal flaws. However, using each as a tool, rather than a religion, and you get a successful system. National Parks, public libraries, public education, military, FDA, CDC, and the other alphabet soup agencies that regulate and protect us, are all socialist institutions. Businesses from the multi-nationals to the mom and pop grocery are capitalist institutions.

You don't like parts of the mix, that is what elections are about. You want to drown the government in a bathtub, go to Somalia. That is where you belong.

Capitalism and Socialism can work together but Capitalism must be greater......otherwise, who pays for Socialism??

Ask about who saved the Banksters (capitalism didn't work very well there) Oh right, it was socialism saving capitalism

Bush: ‘I’ve Abandoned Free Market Principles To Save The Free Market System’

It was Capitalism that afforded him to make that statement. Think boy.

You mean the thing that almost collapsed the worlds economies?

You are not thinking. You are attacking because you hate Capitalism.

Sure Bubs, sure. I guess you got that from your crystal ball? Hint, one can believe the "job creators" need to pay more historical EFFECTIVE tax rates they did 1932-1980, that regulators on the beat matters with Gov't policy and the current GOP/Conservatives are trying to destroy Gov't have some type of Ayn Rand fetish than to actually just throw up crap, like you!

 

[Dad2three]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go **** yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

Yep, the best conservative Prez since Ike got Heritages "NAFTA" thru Congress like Reagan wanted (you know he introduced it in 1979 the day he ran for Prez?) AND yet 60% of Dems voted against NAFTA. Go figure!

 

[bedowin62]

over 300 bills passed by the "do-nothing" Republican Party never made it to the floor of the Senate for debate under former Senate Leader Reid

try another talking point stupid

you mean winger bills like personhood bills?

or more tax cuts for corporations?

no. those didn't get there, winger. that;s not what people voted for.

and the first bill the wingers tried to pass when they finally got the house was a personhood law.

nutters.......

YAWN; doesn't matter what they were leftard, we both know they weren't brought to the floor by Reid not because they had no chance of passing but because they WOULD HAVE PASSED.
that's why you dummies lost the Senate

libs are losers who lie to themselves

You are projection personified Bubba

His point is valid. That you dodged it, shows you to be dishonest.

His points valid? lol

Senate Democratic minority snagged 20 million more votes than GOP majority


GOP Memo: Gerrymandering Won Us The House Majority

In the memo -- titled "How a Strategy of Targeting State Legislative Races in 2010 Led to a Republican U.S. House Majority in 2013" -- RSLC boasts that it "raised more than $30 million in 2009-2010, and invested $18 million after Labor Day 2010 alone" to ensure statehouse victories in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin.

"The rationale was straightforward," reads the memo. "Controlling the redistricting process in these states would have the greatest impact on determining how both state legislative and congressional district boundaries would be drawn. Drawing new district lines in states with the most redistricting activity presented the opportunity to solidify conservative policymaking at the state level and maintain a Republican stronghold in the U.S. House of Representatives for the next decade."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/gop-memo-gerrymandering-won-us-the-house-majority

i didint dodge anything idiot; in fact DEMOCRATS DID THE DODGING,. because as i said the OVER THREE HUNDRED BILLS the Dem Senate Leader refused to even bring to teh floor for debate werent denied the chance to be debated or voted on because they had no chance of passing; it was becasue they WOULD HAVE PASSED. Dem's own constituents back home were so enraged with this they SENT DEMOCRAT INCUMBANTS PACKING AND GAVE THE SENATE BACK TO REPUBLICANS

why do you losers love lying to yourselves so much?

 

[bedowin62]

here's some history the left refuses and denies;

Harding (R) inherted a depression, he cut taxes and Fed spending in 1/2, 18 month later, depression over, Roaring Twentys begin.
fdr (D) inherited a depression, he increased taxes and Fed spending to level unseen, 10 years later and WW2 later, depression over, no economic boom.

now, who did obama copy and why is it taking so long for the economy to really get going?

leftist learned from history that increasing taxes and spending slows the economy and forces more people to rely on the government for basic needs.

so please go **** yourself you useless sheep

From 2001 to 2008, millions of jobs were moved to China and over 40,000 factories closed. Those jobs are gone and those factories are gone. How do you recover from such a blow to the country? That was what was handed to Obama from the GOP. It's way easier to fix something if it's still there to be fixed. If it's gone, you can't fix it. You need to rebuild from scratch.

It was clinton that moved those jobs with nafta

I'd link it, but you have been given those links before and are still lying about it.


obama didn't build anything, he wasted money, that's all

Yep, the best conservative Prez since Ike got Heritages "NAFTA" thru Congress like Reagan wanted (you know he introduced it in 1979 the day he ran for Prez?) AND yet 60% of Dems voted against NAFTA. Go figure!

TOO BAD THE DEM PRESIDENT SIGNED IT ANYWAY LEFTARD


OH and your current President has TWO different free trade agreements.

next irrelevant point leftard. geesh what year is it?

 

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since Dad23 is a talking-point spewing idiot

what is the Left's economic theory called? dont say Keynesian theory because that is a joke, true adherents of that will say that isnt what the Left espouses

and where is it working?
and in the clinton years you brag about; wasnt that trickle-down economics dummy?