Why are we talking about IVF?

[Care4all]

I don't think there are as many as you think... people don't look at it like abortion...

IVF freezes fertilized eggs/ embryos until implantation of eggs in to woman....remaining frozen embryos are then discarded...killed...when couple is done having children, by the fertility clinic.

That killing of the fertilized frozen eggs in the ending IVF process, is considered abortion by those pro lifers who believe life begins at conception.

 

[Rambunctious]

IVF freezes fertilized eggs/ embryos until implantation of eggs in to woman....remaining frozen embryos are then discarded...killed...when couple is done having children, by the fertility clinic.

That killing of the fertilized frozen eggs in the ending IVF process, is considered abortion by those pro lifers who believe life begins at conception.

Pro life means something...

 

[Slade3200]

Yes... and abortion is something I'd like to see reduced as opposed to Bidenomics inflation....

If you believe that life begins at conception then how can you be supportive of allowing embryos to be disposed of like what’s done with IVF?

 

[krichton]

The case made its way to the court... it was always going to be challenged and overturned at some point... if not this court then one down the road would have done it... laws are like the foundation to our system... if one is weak the system breaks down... now its the way it should have been... decided by the states by the vote of the people... no one in the country voted for Roe V Wade... and that's why it was bad law... democrats should change the name of their party to the dictator party... why do they hate letting the people vote?...

Which is precisely what will happen soon. Each state will be voting out it's republican senator, congressman, governor, etc, and anyone else who is against abortion. Polling by Pew research shows 63% of people favor legal access to abortion and could rise higher. If 63% of ppl favor abortion and you represent the 37% who don't, guess who will be out of the job very soon.

Democrats should change their name to the dictator party? Are the democrats advocating for the state to control our bodies? The only ppl who are for that are conservatives and republicans. They want a big fascist government in our bedrooms and at our doctors office telling us why the government wants us to have a baby when we don't. Your presidential nominee says he'll be dictator on day one, and you guys love it. Which party should change their name again??

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Yeah and apparently yoj have this weird idea that citizens voting is authoritarian

So weird

Your party has you dembots all mixed up

All aspects of family planning are under attack by the authoritarian right’s agenda hostile to individual liberty and freedom of choice, not just IVF.

 

[struth]

All aspects of family planning are under attack by the authoritarian right’s agenda hostile to individual liberty and freedom of choice, not just IVF.

No, no they aren’t. You made that all up.

In fact the GoP wants to make IVF cheaper and more affordable. The left opposes that

 

[Lesh]

Bear with me here.

IVF costs tens of thousands of dollars and now “fiscal conservatives “ are all in on using taxpayer dollars for it.

Abortions cost less than a thousand and “fiscal conservatives” are appalled.

Clearly it has nothing to do with fiscal anything

Ummmm in response to the post above

 

[struth]

Ummmm in response to the post above

Yeah Conservatives value life over taking life.

Obviously that runs counter to your demafasict agenda

 

[Lesh]

Yeah Conservatives value life over taking life.

Obviously that runs counter to your demafasict agenda

Ummmm in both cases embryos are destroyed

 

[struth]

Ummmm in both cases embryos are destroyed

Sometimes it happens in IVF but the intent to make a child, not destroy a life.

 

[Lesh]

Sometimes it happens in IVF but the intent to make a child, not destroy a life.

It virtually always happens with IVF

Regardless of the intent. The result is the same.

 

[struth]

It virtually always happens with IVF

Regardless of the intent. The result is the same.

Intent matters. Intent always matters

Is this the controversy the left is trying to make with IVF? Pathetic

 

[Rambunctious]

Which is precisely what will happen soon. Each state will be voting out it's republican senator, congressman, governor, etc, and anyone else who is against abortion. Polling by Pew research shows 63% of people favor legal access to abortion and could rise higher. If 63% of ppl favor abortion and you represent the 37% who don't, guess who will be out of the job very soon.

Democrats should change their name to the dictator party? Are the democrats advocating for the state to control our bodies? The only ppl who are for that are conservatives and republicans. They want a big fascist government in our bedrooms and at our doctors office telling us why the government wants us to have a baby when we don't. Your presidential nominee says he'll be dictator on day one, and you guys love it. Which party should change their name again??

Keep dreaming... the crazy commie leftism coming from the democrats trump and concerns over abortion....
States are making acceptable laws to both sides of the issue because the people are voting... why do dems hate voting so much?...

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

There is no 'crazy commie leftism' in America, only commie maga fascism.

 

[krichton]

Keep dreaming... the crazy commie leftism coming from the democrats trump and concerns over abortion....
States are making acceptable laws to both sides of the issue because the people are voting... why do dems hate voting so much?...

What "acceptable laws" to abortion that everyone on both sides will be in favor of? Name these laws. In Florida, you have a laughable 6 week grace period. You think people who are pro choice will think this is acceptable come election time? LMAO. What about the 13 states where there is a complete and total ban? You think pro choicers in those states are happy right now? Who here is the one dreaming? The most backwards and undemocratic countries in the world have banned abortion, not a single one is a first world nation, and you want to model ourselves after the most backwater ones? Why do cons hate freedom and democracy so much? Why is fascism such an enormous draw for you?

 

[Rambunctious]

What "acceptable laws" to abortion that everyone on both sides will be in favor of? Name these laws. In Florida, you have a laughable 6 week grace period. You think people who are pro choice will think this is acceptable come election time? LMAO. What about the 13 states where there is a complete and total ban? You think pro choicers in those states are happy right now? Who here is the one dreaming? The most backwards and undemocratic countries in the world have banned abortion, not a single one is a first world nation, and you want to model ourselves after the most backwater ones? Why do cons hate freedom and democracy so much? Why is fascism such an enormous draw for you?

Its voting... its democracy in action... so you don't like it?... too bad... state laws can be easily amended by design and eventually each state will come to conclusions both sides can live with... that would have happened by now if a bad law like Roe wasn't in the way...

 

[Lesh]

Its voting... its democracy in action... so you don't like it?... too bad... state laws can be easily amended by design and eventually each state will come to conclusions both sides can live with... that would have happened by now if a bad law like Roe wasn't in the way...

Nonsense. Anti-abortion freaks will keep pushing until abortion is totally outlawed.

Obviously pro choice people will never accept that

 

[Rambunctious]

Nonsense. Anti-abortion freaks will keep pushing until abortion is totally outlawed.

Obviously pro choice people will never accept that

Roe V Wade was bad law... from the start people predicted it wouldn't stand...

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Because its a huge issue for young couples trying to start a family.... I know a couple who spent over 40,000 dollars for treatment...

Uh huh.
Why does that mean it should be banned?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Try reading your link
The issue of access to fertility treatments became a political flashpoint in February after the Alabama Supreme Court ruled that frozen embryos were considered children under the law. The ruling caused an uproar and cleared the way for potential wrongful death claims if an embryo did not survive the process, causing several providers to pause IVF treatments.

Shortly after the Alabama decision, Trump called on the state's legislature to "quickly find an immediate solution to preserve the availability of IVF in Alabama." The state passed a law protecting the procedure in March, but the legal battle had already opened a new front in the national fight over reproductive rights.

So… children can be frozen indefinitely?