Debate Now Why Are We Still Talking About Abortion?

[JoeMoma]

Murder is killing without cause so going by that definition alone, aborted babies due to rape, incest, or health related issues isn't considered murder.

No it's not.

 

[JoeMoma]

No it's not.

A man killed because the crook wanted his money was still murdered.

 

[martybegan]

Most Americans and courts do not consider abortion murder

Most consider it morally wrong, and want it to be legally wrong after say 16 weeks or so unless the life of the mother is in jeopardy.

 

[Road Runner]

No it's not.

A man killed because the crook wanted his money was still murdered.

What do you mean no it's not? I meant a legit cause.

 

[rightwinger]

Most consider it morally wrong, and want it to be legally wrong after say 16 weeks or so unless the life of the mother is in jeopardy.

Yes, there are different opinions on what abortion laws should be
But few Americans support a total ban in all cases

 

[rightwinger]

My post was based on the premise set forth by the OP who does consider abortion murder.

Very few support that premise

 

[martybegan]

Yes, there are different opinions on what abortion laws should be
But few Americans support a total ban in all cases

And most Americans support bans after 16 weeks or so, with life or death exceptions for the mother.

How many Americans support laws like NY and CA that allow abortions up to birth, or even due to some poor word choices, theoretically right after?

 

[JoeMoma]

What do you mean no it's not? I meant a legit cause.

If that is true... then your op is falsely stating that abortion is murder because in states where it is legal then it's not legally considered murder.... because it is legal.

So are we defining murder as killing an innocent human or are we defining murder as killing someone illegally such as the law defines the killing as murder? In your OP it seemed to be the former.

 

[Road Runner]

If that is true... then your op is falsely stating that abortion is murder because in states where it is legal then it's not legally considered murder.... because it is legal.

So are we defining murder as killing an innocent human or are we defining murder as killing someone illegally such as the law defines the killing as murder? In your OP it seemed to be the former.

It depends on the situation.

 

[JoeMoma]

It depends on the situation.

That leads to being pro-choice. It depends on the situation, thus women can decide for their on individual situations.

 

[Road Runner]

That leads to being pro-choice. It depends on the situation, thus women can decide for their on individual situations.

Okay so maybe I'm pro-choice to an extent but not just because the mother wants to choose to kill her baby for no reason.

 

[JoeMoma]

Okay so maybe I'm pro-choice to an extent but not just because the mother wants to choose to kill her baby for no reason.

She has reasons, just not your reasons.

 

[Libby von H]

There aren't any rules, I'm just putting this here instead of the clean debate zone so we can be as ruthless as we want to be towards this topic. Now the Democrats are just making ignorant excuses as children don't have anything to do with inflation and gas prices. With the exception of rape and harm towards the mother and or unborn child, abortion is murder! Plain and simple.


Even then in the case of rape there's adoption available and any mother that would choose her life over the life of her child doesn't deserve to be called a mother in my book. I missed the part why we're still having this argument.

People like you never get clarity. So if a mother lied that it was rape then you still don't say an innocent life was taken.
And if there is doubt, why is that doubt transferred to the baby ?
READ SOMETHING BY ACTUALLY RAPED WOMEN

Mother Who Chose Life After Being Raped Goes Viral, Says Daughter 'Is the Greatest Joy of My Life'​

Mother Who Chose Life After Being Raped Goes Viral, Says Daughter 'Is the Greatest Joy of My Life'

"Sex doesn’t make babies, God does."

ijr.com

And the book

Victims and Victors: Speaking Out About Their Pregnancies, Abortions, and Children Resulting from Sexual Assault​

by Sobie Reardon, Makimaa
These are the real "experts" on this complex issue: the women who have been there. Just listen to what they have to say:

"After my daughter was born, it was love at first sight . . . I know I made the right decision in having her." Nancy "Cole"

"Often I cry. Cry because I could not stop the attacks. Cry because my daughter is dead. And I cry because it still hurts." Edith Young

"I think that rape victims with pregnancies are discriminated against because people seem to think you're nuts to have a baby by a man who raped you. We are looked upon as being liars, or stupid." Sharon "Bailey"

"They say abortion is the easy way out, the best thing for everyone, but they are wrong. It has been over 15 years, and I still suffer." "Rebecca Morris"

"I thank God for the strength He gave me to go through the bad times and for all of the joy in the good times. I will never regret that I chose to give life to my daughter." Mary Murray

"Abortion does not help or solve a problemit only compounds and creates another trauma for the already grieving victim by taking away the one thing that can bring joy." Helene Evans

"The effects of the abortion are much more far-reaching than the effects of the rape in my life." "Patricia Ryan"

"I, having lived through rape, and having raised a child conceived in rape,' feel personally assaulted and insulted every time I hear that abortion should be legal for rape and incest. I feel that we're being used to further the abortion issue, even though we've not been asked to tell our side of the story." Kathleen DeZeeuw

In Victims and Victors, 20 women like the ones quoted above share what it is like to face a pregnancy resulting from rape or incest. They speak bravely and candidly of the pain of sexual assault, of the sadness and trauma of abortion, and of the joy and healing of giving birth.

Bottom LIne: when someone is raped and the pro-aborts advise her and the pro-life tell no different story, you are BETRAYING both mother and baby. Many women who went through with having the child blame people like YOU more than anyone else.

 

[d0gbreath]

Looking back, I'm trying to find a time when we weren't talking about abortion. Anyone have a clue?

 

[Libby von H]

Looking back, I'm trying to find a time when we weren't talking about abortion. Anyone have a clue?

We know the Founders hated it.

Abortion: What The Founding Fathers Thought About It​

byDuane L. Ostler

“If Imay correct the misguided gentleman,” said Benjamin Franklin,“I indicated as early as 1728 through a fictional character I createdthat abortion was intolerable in American society. When SamuelKeimer had the audacity to publish a short article about abortionin his newspaper, I responded with an opposition by my fictionalcharacter ‘Celia Shortface’ who expressed outrage against Keimerthat ‘thou would have printed such things . . . as would make allthe modest and virtuous women in Pennsylvania ashamed!’”
13. A BENJAMIN FRANKLIN READER 46 (Walter Isaacson ed., 2003)
AND
This precise situation was covered in our day by whatwere known as the concealment statutes in many of the colonies,intended to protect the mysterious deaths of bastard childrenfound dead, regardless of whether their death was induced priorto or after their birth. In other words, these laws covered bothabortion and infanticide. Indeed, these laws were patterned aftera 1623 Act of Parliament entitled ‘An Act to Prevent theDestroying and Murdering of Bastard Children.
EVEN MONTESQUIEU
the words of Montesquieu:‘there is among savages another custom . . . it is the cruel practice of abortion.’
Jefferson famously spoke of the uncivilized practices of the American savages who killed babies, and how they stopped such barbarity upon becoming civilized.”

 

[rightwinger]

We know the Founders hated it.

Abortion: What The Founding Fathers Thought About It​

byDuane L. Ostler

“If Imay correct the misguided gentleman,” said Benjamin Franklin,“I indicated as early as 1728 through a fictional character I createdthat abortion was intolerable in American society. When SamuelKeimer had the audacity to publish a short article about abortionin his newspaper, I responded with an opposition by my fictionalcharacter ‘Celia Shortface’ who expressed outrage against Keimerthat ‘thou would have printed such things . . . as would make allthe modest and virtuous women in Pennsylvania ashamed!’”
13. A BENJAMIN FRANKLIN READER 46 (Walter Isaacson ed., 2003)
AND
This precise situation was covered in our day by whatwere known as the concealment statutes in many of the colonies,intended to protect the mysterious deaths of bastard childrenfound dead, regardless of whether their death was induced priorto or after their birth. In other words, these laws covered bothabortion and infanticide. Indeed, these laws were patterned aftera 1623 Act of Parliament entitled ‘An Act to Prevent theDestroying and Murdering of Bastard Children.
EVEN MONTESQUIEU
the words of Montesquieu:‘there is among savages another custom . . . it is the cruel practice of abortion.’
Jefferson famously spoke of the uncivilized practices of the American savages who killed babies, and how they stopped such barbarity upon becoming civilized.”

Raping Slaves= Good
Abortion= Bad