Why Are We A Democracy?

[Windship]

You deny Democracy because it checks capitalism and government so they can not be corrupted by corporations. The Democracy we had DID this and you know it. Thats your agenda. Greed and lies. The Republic you insist on and I agree, we are both, does pretty much the same thing.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Full Definition of democracy
plural
democracies

1. 1a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majorityb : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

We're not supposed to be a Democracy. The U.S. was set up to be a Constitution Republic with limits on government power - one important purpose of which is to protect minority (not racial, but political) rights. Pure Democracies always descend into raging mobs which persecute the political minority (which is a moving target based on arbitrary abuses of power).

There has never been a "pure democracy" on a national scale ever.

And your point is?

The real issue is that we have Prog Elites manipulating their hordes of howling monkeys into thinking that "majority rule" means that they can shred The Constitution and turn political opponents into criminals.

In reality, nothing is perfectly pure. But that doesn't mean that it the concept is invalid.

The real issue is the right walking down the road to fascism because democracy has failed to provide them a leader who will beat the masses into shape.

The further right you move, the more government shrinks. Tell me, how can a fascist government be small and weak? Fascism is a left trait, and always has been, because it stems from big government.

Don't worry about being wrong, we don't expect much from you to start with.

 

[Windship]

You sling you lies and hope we dont search it.

 

[Avatar4321]

Full Definition of democracy
plural
democracies

1. 1a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majorityb : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

We're not supposed to be a Democracy. The U.S. was set up to be a Constitution Republic with limits on government power - one important purpose of which is to protect minority (not racial, but political) rights. Pure Democracies always descend into raging mobs which persecute the political minority (which is a moving target based on arbitrary abuses of power).

There has never been a "pure democracy" on a national scale ever.

Mob rule cannot be organized that's why… LOL

Are you aware that every fascist movement started with the idea that democracy is poison, the masses are unfit to have a say in their government and a certain class/race/tribe alone has the moral certitude to rule? Democracy is not a system of government but if a government does not promote the ideal that all of "The People" must be included in the political structure and have a vote and the right to protest it is not a free country. Simply dismissing democracy as mob rule tells me you would be just fine in a fascist state as long as you were included in the ruling class.

I would think the fact that the masses gave us a choice between trump and Clinton should tell us all that sometimes, they need to be checked.

That's the beauty of how our republic was designed. It was created to have a balance between the masses, the state, and the feds. Unfortunately that balance was shifted toward the feds when the 17th amendment was passed

 

[occupied]

We dont have a Democracy. We have a Republic if we can keep it

We didn't. It went left.

Our original founders vested all power in white male protestant landowners. Is that your idea of how a free country should be governed?

 

[Flopper]

We currently, have a Democracy...kinda. Saying we dont and never did, makes you look ignorant with an agenda.

We have a democratic republic limited by a constitution. There is no government democracy today.

 

[Windship]

Full Definition of democracy
plural
democracies

1. 1a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majorityb : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

We're not supposed to be a Democracy. The U.S. was set up to be a Constitution Republic with limits on government power - one important purpose of which is to protect minority (not racial, but political) rights. Pure Democracies always descend into raging mobs which persecute the political minority (which is a moving target based on arbitrary abuses of power).

There has never been a "pure democracy" on a national scale ever.

And your point is?

The real issue is that we have Prog Elites manipulating their hordes of howling monkeys into thinking that "majority rule" means that they can shred The Constitution and turn political opponents into criminals.

In reality, nothing is perfectly pure. But that doesn't mean that it the concept is invalid.

The real issue is the right walking down the road to fascism because democracy has failed to provide them a leader who will beat the masses into shape.

The further right you move, the more government shrinks. Tell me, how can a fascist government be small and weak? Fascism is a left trait, and always has been because it stems from big government.

Don't worry about being wrong, we don't expect much from you to start with.

What a dope. We are ALREADY about as far right as we can get so, show me this small government from the right we are supposed to have.

 

[kaz]

We currently, have a Democracy...kinda. Saying we dont and never did, makes you look ignorant with an agenda.

The States are Democracies, the Federal Government isn't. The Founding Fathers wanted to prevent tyranny of the majority. In fact they never referred to the Federal government as a democracy and no one did until Democrats wanted to justify tyranny of the majority in the 20th century

 

[Windship]

We currently, have a Democracy...kinda. Saying we dont and never did, makes you look ignorant with an agenda.

We have a democratic republic limited by a constitution. There is no true democratic government today.

True. We were FOUNDED on a Democratic platform.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Full Definition of democracy
plural
democracies

1. 1a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majorityb : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

Republic

A republic (from Latin: res publica) is a sovereign state or country[1] which is organized with a form of governmentin which power resides in elected individuals representing the citizen body[2][3] and government leaders exercise power according to the rule of law.

Republic - Wikipedia

 

[Windship]

We currently, have a Democracy...kinda. Saying we dont and never did, makes you look ignorant with an agenda.

The States are Democracies, the Federal Government isn't. The Founding Fathers wanted to prevent tyranny of the majority. In fact they never referred to the Federal government as a democracy and no one did until Democrats wanted to justify tyranny of the majority in the 20th century

Yeah. Like the right is doing with the word Republic. And A Republic is almost identical to a Democracy...lol.

 

[Windship]

The argument is insane.

 

[norwegen]

We dont have a Democracy. We have a Republic if we can keep it

We didn't. It went left.

Our original founders vested all power in white male protestant landowners. Is that your idea of how a free country should be governed?

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land.

Article VI.

The original founders, eh. You really are clueless. Only six men who signed the Declaration of Independence also signed the Constitution.

 

[Avatar4321]

The derps that claim America isn't a democracy. These are people that try to sound smart but only make the adults around them uncomfortable with the ignorance they have to witness. Representative Democracy is a subset of Democracy. It is a form of democracy.

The derps though claim 'it's a sweater'.

That's all good and all except we are a representative Republic.

Why is this so hard for you people.

 

[kaz]

We currently, have a Democracy...kinda. Saying we dont and never did, makes you look ignorant with an agenda.

The States are Democracies, the Federal Government isn't. The Founding Fathers wanted to prevent tyranny of the majority. In fact they never referred to the Federal government as a democracy and no one did until Democrats wanted to justify tyranny of the majority in the 20th century

Yeah. Like the right is doing with the word Republic. And A Republic is almost identical to a Democracy...lol.

I didn't say the Federal government is a Republic, nice reading there. It's a "Federal" government. The Republics are the States, which yes, are representative Democracies, which is the same as a Republic

 

[Pumpkin Row]

We're not supposed to be a Democracy. The U.S. was set up to be a Constitution Republic with limits on government power - one important purpose of which is to protect minority (not racial, but political) rights. Pure Democracies always descend into raging mobs which persecute the political minority (which is a moving target based on arbitrary abuses of power).

There has never been a "pure democracy" on a national scale ever.

And your point is?

The real issue is that we have Prog Elites manipulating their hordes of howling monkeys into thinking that "majority rule" means that they can shred The Constitution and turn political opponents into criminals.

In reality, nothing is perfectly pure. But that doesn't mean that it the concept is invalid.

The real issue is the right walking down the road to fascism because democracy has failed to provide them a leader who will beat the masses into shape.

The further right you move, the more government shrinks. Tell me, how can a fascist government be small and weak? Fascism is a left trait, and always has been because it stems from big government.

Don't worry about being wrong, we don't expect much from you to start with.

What a dope. We are ALREADY about as far right as we can get so, show me this small government from the right we are supposed to have.

First, if we use Socialist standards, literally everything is 'right wing', so your first error is pretending that you're center. Second, both 'main' parties are controlled by the Establishment, and they're moving the government further left with each policy. Neither 'main' party' is 'right' anymore.

 

[occupied]

Full Definition of democracy
plural
democracies

1. 1a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majorityb : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

We're not supposed to be a Democracy. The U.S. was set up to be a Constitution Republic with limits on government power - one important purpose of which is to protect minority (not racial, but political) rights. Pure Democracies always descend into raging mobs which persecute the political minority (which is a moving target based on arbitrary abuses of power).

There has never been a "pure democracy" on a national scale ever.

Mob rule cannot be organized that's why… LOL

Are you aware that every fascist movement started with the idea that democracy is poison, the masses are unfit to have a say in their government and a certain class/race/tribe alone has the moral certitude to rule? Democracy is not a system of government but if a government does not promote the ideal that all of "The People" must be included in the political structure and have a vote and the right to protest it is not a free country. Simply dismissing democracy as mob rule tells me you would be just fine in a fascist state as long as you were included in the ruling class.

I would think the fact that the masses gave us a choice between trump and Clinton should tell us all that sometimes, they need to be checked.

That's the beauty of how our republic was designed. It was created to have a balance between the masses, the state, and the feds. Unfortunately that balance was shifted toward the feds when the 17th amendment was passed

The election of the senate by undemocratic means had it's own problems, foremost of which was that senators used to pay to be elected, it's getting that way again where only deep pockets can afford to run for national office so maybe you have less to complain about than you think.

 

[Avatar4321]

Why Are We A Democracy?
We are not a democracy....Bush Jr. didn't win the popular vote in 2000, the Supreme Court overruled the popular vote.

What is this ignorance? The popular vote was never going to determine that election. Electoral votes determine the presidency. And George Bush won them no matter how many times democrats demanded recounts.

The popular vote wont matter this election. For example Gary Johnson may come in third in the popular vote. But if McMullin is the only third party candidate with electoral votes, when this race goes to the House to will be between Clinton, Trump, and McMullin instead of Johnson.

And its very possible Clinton could win the popular vote and not become president.

 

[Windship]

There has never been a "pure democracy" on a national scale ever.

And your point is?

The real issue is that we have Prog Elites manipulating their hordes of howling monkeys into thinking that "majority rule" means that they can shred The Constitution and turn political opponents into criminals.

In reality, nothing is perfectly pure. But that doesn't mean that it the concept is invalid.

The real issue is the right walking down the road to fascism because democracy has failed to provide them a leader who will beat the masses into shape.

The further right you move, the more government shrinks. Tell me, how can a fascist government be small and weak? Fascism is a left trait, and always has been because it stems from big government.

Don't worry about being wrong, we don't expect much from you to start with.

What a dope. We are ALREADY about as far right as we can get so, show me this small government from the right we are supposed to have.

First, if we use Socialist standards, literally everything is 'right wing', so your first error is pretending that you're center. Second, both 'main' parties are controlled by the Establishment, and they're moving the government further left with each policy. Neither 'main' party' is 'right' anymore.

Farther to the LEFT !!?? Are you kidding. LEFT!!?? You dont know what left and right even is.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The argument is insane.

Difference between a Democracy and a Republic:

The key difference between a democracy and a republic lies in the limits placed on government by the law, which has implications for minority rights. Both forms of government tend to use a representational system — i.e., citizens vote to elect politicians to represent their interests and form the government. In a republic, a constitution or charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. In a "pure democracy," the majority is not restrained in this way and can impose its will on the minority.

Most modern nations are democratic republics with a constitution, which can be amended by a popularly elected government. This comparison therefore contrasts the form of government in most countries today with a theoretical construct of a "pure democracy", mainly to highlight the features of a republic.

Democracy vs Republic - Difference and Comparison | Diffen