Why Are We A Democracy?
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We (the USA) are a Constitutional Democratic Republic.
Constitutional means there is a written Constitution which governs what the majority may impose.
Democratic means all the people are entitled to vote.
Republic means that representatives are elected democratically and sent to the State Capitol or the National Capital to vote on legislation or to fill public office in the Administration.
A pure democracy would be like the ancient Athenians had -- where every citizen votes on all legislation. We are not a democracy.
A pure republic would be like the ancient Romans had -- where these senate seats are inherited. We are not a republic.
We are a Constitutional Democratic Republic.
If you paid attention in high school Civics then you got this right.
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A problem that could easily be solved without handing the legislative branch that was to represent the state governments over to special interests
The problem is there are variations of each word. That can leave them the same or different
Windship
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The problem is there are variations of each word. That can leave them the same or different[/QUOTE]
Is not hard to understand..."by the people for the people"....jeeze...whats next?...get rid of the Constitution?...yes. You for that too?
Is not hard to understand..."by the people for the people"....jeeze...whats next?...get rid of the Constitution?...yes. You for that too?
Where did I say that? What are you smoking?
This hair splitting argument is boring as shit
C_Clayton_Jones
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No, a democracy was appropriately rejected by the Founding Generation because it’s an inferior form of government to a Constitutional Republic.
We see evidence of the failing of democracy in Europe today, in their failed attempts to address Muslim immigration.
Some European democracies have enacted punitive measures for expressing hatred or bigotry toward Muslim immigrants, a dangerous threat to freedom of speech and expression. And those accused of bigotry have no legal recourse because such laws are enacted as a result of the ‘will of the people,’ where the people are the ultimate legal authority.
Fortunately, that’s not the case in our Constitutional Republic, where the rule of law is the ultimate authority, as hate speech and expressions of bigotry and racism are entitled to Constitutional protections, and citizens are at liberty to exhibit their fear, ignorance, and hate with impunity, but may not seek to codify that fear, ignorance, and hate because Muslims are likewise entitled to Constitutional protections, guaranteed by the First Amendment.
The genius of the American Republic is its respect for, and acknowledgement of, the Constitution, its case law, and the rule of law – far superior to any democracy.
Ray From Cleveland
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Well that's besides the fact most everybody agrees that even if the recounts were allowed to take place, Bush still would have won. If you need that article, I'll post the FactCheck link.
In a per curiam decision, the Court ruled that there was an Equal Protection Clause violation in using different standards of counting in different counties and ruled that no alternative method could be established within the time limit set by Title 3 of the United States Code (3 U.S.C.), § 5 ("Determination of controversy as to appointment of electors"), which was December 12.[1] The vote regarding the Equal Protection Clause was 7–2, and regarding the lack of an alternative method was 5–4.[2] Three concurring justices also asserted that the Florida Supreme Court had violated Article II, § 1, cl. 2 of the Constitution, by misinterpreting Florida election law that had been enacted by the Florida Legislature.
Bush v. Gore - Wikipedia
So, back to the original question, somewhat cleaned up -- "Why are we (the USA) a Constitutional Democratic Republic?"
Well, because the Freemasons of Colonial English North America decided to rebel from their king, George The 3rd, they having decided that the Medieval idea of the Devine Right Of Kings was a fallacy and no longer valid.
So in keeping with the political philosophy of John Locke and similar others, the Founding Freemason rebels first raised a rebel army and a rebel navy with a rebel marine corps too, and then wrote Articles Of Confederation and then later replaced them with a federal U.S. Constitution that spelled out how the Democratic Republic was going to work, with separation of powers between the Federal Legislature (which they called a Congress), the Federal Administration (which they called a Presidency), and the Federal Courts (which included one Supreme Court at the top of the court structure).
That's why.
Like Benjamin Franklin (the grandmaster of the Philadelphia grand lodge of F&AM's) said, they had to hang together or else they would hang one by one.
With luck and help from France, the American rebellion succeeded and became the American Revolution.
It was foolish for the King Of France, Louis The 16th, to help the American colonists however. He did so out of hatred for the English King. However the rebellion in America soon spread to France too, and Louis was beheaded as was his wife Marie Antoinette.
No good dead goes unpunished.
Well, because the Freemasons of Colonial English North America decided to rebel from their king, George The 3rd, they having decided that the Medieval idea of the Devine Right Of Kings was a fallacy and no longer valid.
So in keeping with the political philosophy of John Locke and similar others, the Founding Freemason rebels first raised a rebel army and a rebel navy with a rebel marine corps too, and then wrote Articles Of Confederation and then later replaced them with a federal U.S. Constitution that spelled out how the Democratic Republic was going to work, with separation of powers between the Federal Legislature (which they called a Congress), the Federal Administration (which they called a Presidency), and the Federal Courts (which included one Supreme Court at the top of the court structure).
That's why.
Like Benjamin Franklin (the grandmaster of the Philadelphia grand lodge of F&AM's) said, they had to hang together or else they would hang one by one.
With luck and help from France, the American rebellion succeeded and became the American Revolution.
It was foolish for the King Of France, Louis The 16th, to help the American colonists however. He did so out of hatred for the English King. However the rebellion in America soon spread to France too, and Louis was beheaded as was his wife Marie Antoinette.
No good dead goes unpunished.
C_Clayton_Jones
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Presidents are elected by the states, not the people, consistent with the fact that we’re a Constitutional Republic not a democracy.
GWB was elected president by the states with 271 EC votes, that a majority of Americans voted for Al Gore over Bush is Constitutionally irrelevant, and further proof that we’re not a democracy.
Wow, amazing, this is incredibly lucid for you, Clayton. Well done.
Now read what you just wrote and start doing it
Not disagreeing with you on this, just commenting. To make it work, the States/Republics do have to be Democracies though, and they all are
The "states" are NOT democracies either.
They are instead mini democratic republics themselves.
Some states call themselves commonwealths.
Some call themselves republics.
But none of them calls itself a "democracy" simply because they are indeed NOT democracies.
Not even the cities are democracies either.
Florida counted the votes, Bush won. Florida recounted the votes, Bush won. The Florida legislature had created the laws for certifying the election. The Florida Executive branch followed those laws.
How on earth can even in your partisan Democrat mind do you find "appointed" or "de facto" appointed out of that?
They are not pure Democracies, but they are representative Democracies
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