Why Are There No Democrat Intellectuals?

[PoliticalChic]

Could you please repeat that question in a single sentence.

If the direction of the Democrat Party, nationally, mirrors that of Mamdani, Bernie, and AOC, will you vote Democrat?

 

[PoliticalChic]

You're a communist....you support the communist Trump who wants Walmart to implement price controls.

See? It's easy to play this stupid ******* game.

What a stupid post......seems to be your specialty.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Thread topic is an oxymoron.
Real intellectuals are too smart to be Democrat morons.
Democrats aren't smart enough to be intellectuals.

There are Democrat intellectuals....as stated in the OP......just aren't any on the board.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This thread has "completely obliterated" the Dunning-Kruger Irony meter.

It's a true USMB classic. A remarkable achievement. A feat of historic proportions. An accomplishment for the ages.

Why can't you answer the question?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I don't get the point of the thread since the left has always been the working class majority who believe in equal rights of a republic, and the right has always been the wealthy elite who want an aristocracy.

The right then hates communism because it would cut into their profits.
But everyone should like communism because it should cut prices in half from not having to pay profits to the wealthy elite owners, stockholders, and banks.

But every time I try to being up any real points, the right just starts throwing out name calling.

"I don't get"

Get lost.

 

[Mac1958]

Why can't you answer the question?

I don't know what the question is -- I assume it's buried in one of your comically long and tedious diatribes -- but I'd have as much luck communicating with wild-eyed jihadi on the streets of Damascus, a loony Antifa goober living in a Portland cardboard box, or a janitor at Kim Jong Un's Ryongsong Palace.

Play your games. I'm not interested.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I am not a resident of New York City, so mayoral candidates there do not concern me.

I recognize the superior knowledge of scientists, medical doctors, and educators in their respective disciplines over political ideologues, however fanatical.

Only dumb folks swallow crap like the Blowhard you worship lying about Black immigrants eating pet cats and dogs.

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If the direction of the Democrat Party, nationally, mirrors that of Mamdani, Bernie, and AOC, will you vote Democrat?



Are they all of NYC, you dunce.


You claim to turn decision making to educated, experts, scientists.


This proves how truly stupid you are.


Education is far from an indication of rectitude.




You probably don't realize how lucky you are to come to my threads.

Today is a perfect example.


Watch me prove that "education" is meaningless without integrity and wisdom.





Education has nothing to do with values, integrity, or wisdom.


Here are some that believe as you do:


"No country in Europe, except Britain, had a better education system than Germany at the onset of the Hitler era." Lance Morrow, "Evil: An Investigation," p. 123

What does that tell you about the relationship between education and evil?



How about this:

1. More details are emerging about Humam al-Balawi, the man who blew up seven intelligence agents in Afghanistan. By education and professional status, the Jordanian doctor is typical of recent suicidal attackers. The man accused of trying to blow up a plane on Christmas Day is a Nigerian graduate of the University of London. In the Fort Hood shootings, a Palestinian-American psychiatrist in the U.S. Army has been charged.
Humam al-Balawi was said to be carrying information about Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's number two, himself a surgeon who was born to a prominent Egyptian family.
Mohamed Atta of 9/11, who was an Egyptian urban planner who had been working in Germany - these are not the wretched of the earth. What essentially is the grievance that draws them to al-Qaida?
Groups Recruiting Well-Educated Terrorists : NPR

2. A recent study at Princeton University by Alan Krueger and Jitka Maleckova, called "Education, Poverty, Political Violence and Terrorism: Is There a Causal Connection?" argues this point. One piece of the Krueger-Maleckova evidence involves 129 members of Hezbollah who died in action, mostly against Israel, from 1982 to 1994. Hezbollah is now designated by the U.S. as a terrorist organization. Biographical information from the Hezbollah newspaper al-Ahd indicates that the fighters who died were, on average, more educated and less impoverished than the Lebanese population of comparable age and regional origin….Moreover, the Palestinians' adherence to the view that the mass murder of civilians was not terrorism was independent of education and higher among those working than unemployed. Hence, support for terrorism was not reduced by increases in education and income….a study by Charles Russell and Bowman Miller (reprinted in the 1983 book Perspectives on Terrorism) considered 18 revolutionary groups, including the Japanese Red Army, Germany's Baader-Meinhof Gang, and Italy's Red Brigades. The authors found that "the vast majority of those individuals involved in terrorist activities as cadres or leaders is quite well-educated. In fact, approximately two-thirds of those identified terrorists are persons with some university training, [and] well over two-thirds of these individuals came from the middle or upper classes in their respective nations or areas." BW Online | June 10, 2002 | The Myth That Poverty Breeds Terrorism
http://www.krueger.princeton.edu/terrorism2.pdf

3. …men who belonged to violent Islamist groups active over the past few decades (some in jail, some not). Had those groups reflected the working-age populations of their countries, engineers would have made up about 3.5 percent of the membership. Instead, nearly 20 percent of the militants had engineering degrees. When Gambetta and Hertog looked at only the militants whose education was known for certain to have gone beyond high school, close to half (44 percent) had trained in engineering.
Today's Highly Educated Terrorists | The National Interest Blog

Blog

4. Pol Pot, was the leader of the Cambodian communist movement known as the Khmer Rouge[3] and was Prime Minister of Democratic Kampuchea from 1976–1979. Pol Pot's leadership, in which he attempted to "cleanse" the country, resulted in the deaths of an estimated 1.7–2.5 million people…. he qualified for a scholarship that allowed for technical study in France. He studied radio electronics at the EFR in Paris from 1949 to 1953 Pol Pot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5. Khmer Rouge leader Khieu Samphan, who had studied in Paris, wrote in his doctoral dissertation that the Cambodian economy and social structure would be renewed by tapping “the dormant energy of the peasant mass” against the cities. “Kissinger, “The White House Years,” p. 518.

6. Ernesto "Che" Guevara "the man was a mass killer. Hundreds were reportedly executed on his watch" Why Do people love a mass murder like Che? // Current

Ernesto Guevara de la Serna (1928-1967) was an Argentine physician... Biography of Ernesto Che Guevara, Revolutionary Leader


As a young boy growing up, he had a passion for education, literature and philosophy. Mao Zedong
"he worked as a doctor. Che Guevara : Biography

7. Lenin was born Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, April 22, 1870….In 1891 he passed the law examinations at the University of St. Petersburg as an external student, scoring first in his class. He practiced law briefly in Samara before devoting himself to the revolutionary movement. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin), 1870-1924

8. Bashar al-Assad is the President of the Syrian Arab Republic, Regional Secretary of the Ba'ath Party, and the son of former President Hafez al-Assad. Al-Assad is a controversial figure both in Syria and Internationally… for his disregard for human rights, economic lapses, sponsorship of terrorism, and corruption. Bashar studied ophthalmology at Damascus University 1988 and arrived in London in 1992 to continue his studies. Bashar al-Assad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





9. Mao was a rebellious teen-ager. His father wanted him to be a farmer; Mao wanted more education beyond the village grammar school. Mao left home at age 13 to attend an advanced school in a nearby district and in 1911 arrived in Changsha, the provincial capital, to attend secondary school…. He tried law enforcement, business and history before settling on education, graduating from a teachers' training school in 1918. He departed for Beijing to attend the university. CNN In-Depth Specials - Visions of China - Profiles: Mao Tse-tung



10.Al Qaeda leader Ayman al Zawahiri received his master's degree in surgery from Cairo University.... http://www.biography.com/people/ayman-al-zawahiri-241182



11. Nidal Hasan, Abdulmutallab and Humam al-Balawi are jihadists who were educated and came from privileged middle- and upper-class backgrounds. Hasan was an American-trained U. S. Army doctor, Abdulmutallab was a London engineering student and the son of a wealthy Nigerian banker, and double-agent Dr. Humam al-Balawi was a member of the Jordanian professional class. http://frontpagemag.com/2010/wm-b-fankboner/the-educated-muslim-terrorist/



12. "One piece of the Krueger-Maleckova evidence involves 129 members of Hezbollah who died in action, mostly against Israel, from 1982 to 1994. Hezbollah is now designated by the U.S. as a terrorist organization. Biographical information from the Hezbollah newspaper al-Ahd indicates that the fighters who died were, on average, more educated and less impoverished than the Lebanese population of comparable age and regional origin." The Myth That Poverty Breeds Terrorism

and......" a study by Charles Russell and Bowman Miller (reprinted in the 1983 book Perspectives on Terrorism) considered 18 revolutionary groups, including the Japanese Red Army, Germany's Baader-Meinhof Gang, and Italy's Red Brigades. The authors found that "the vast majority of those individuals involved in terrorist activities as cadres or leaders is quite well-educated. In fact, approximately two-thirds of those identified terrorists are persons with some university training, [and] well over two-thirds of these individuals came from the middle or upper classes in their respective nations or areas."Ibid.


13. Fidel Castro was a talented student, and decided to pursue a career in law, entering the University of Havana Law School in 1945. After graduating law school, he opened a law office that primarily catered for poor Cubans, although it proved a financial failure.

Fidel Castro Biography - life, family, parents, story, history, school, mother, young, son, old, information, born


Highly educated Leftists, smart guys all....

 

[PoliticalChic]

I don't know what the question is -- I assume it's buried in one of your comically long and tedious diatribes -- but I'd have as much luck communicating with wild-eyed jihadi on the streets of Damascus, a loony Antifa goober living in a Portland cardboard box, or a janitor at Kim Jong Un's Ryongsong Palace.

Play your games. I'm not interested.

If the direction of the Democrat Party, nationally, mirrors that of Mamdani, Bernie, and AOC, will you vote Democrat?

 

[Mac1958]

If the direction of the Democrat Party, nationally, mirrors that of Mamdani, Bernie, and AOC, will you vote Democrat?

No. I'm back to voting third party as of 2024.

You're welcome.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No. I'm back to voting third party as of 2024.

You're welcome.

Yes, thank you.

That is the first response and clearly a logical one.

One wonders why not a single other Democrat voter on the board could do that.

 

[schmidlap]

If the direction of the Democrat Party, nationally, mirrors that of Mamdani, Bernie, and AOC, will you vote Democrat?



Are they all of NYC, you dunce.


You claim to turn decision making to educated, experts, scientists.


This proves how truly stupid you are.


Education is far from an indication of rectitude.




You probably don't realize how lucky you are to come to my threads.

Today is a perfect example.


Watch me prove that "education" is meaningless without integrity and wisdom.





Education has nothing to do with values, integrity, or wisdom.


Here are some that believe as you do:


"No country in Europe, except Britain, had a better education system than Germany at the onset of the Hitler era." Lance Morrow, "Evil: An Investigation," p. 123

What does that tell you about the relationship between education and evil?



How about this:

1. More details are emerging about Humam al-Balawi, the man who blew up seven intelligence agents in Afghanistan. By education and professional status, the Jordanian doctor is typical of recent suicidal attackers. The man accused of trying to blow up a plane on Christmas Day is a Nigerian graduate of the University of London. In the Fort Hood shootings, a Palestinian-American psychiatrist in the U.S. Army has been charged.
Humam al-Balawi was said to be carrying information about Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's number two, himself a surgeon who was born to a prominent Egyptian family.
Mohamed Atta of 9/11, who was an Egyptian urban planner who had been working in Germany - these are not the wretched of the earth. What essentially is the grievance that draws them to al-Qaida?
Groups Recruiting Well-Educated Terrorists : NPR

2. A recent study at Princeton University by Alan Krueger and Jitka Maleckova, called "Education, Poverty, Political Violence and Terrorism: Is There a Causal Connection?" argues this point. One piece of the Krueger-Maleckova evidence involves 129 members of Hezbollah who died in action, mostly against Israel, from 1982 to 1994. Hezbollah is now designated by the U.S. as a terrorist organization. Biographical information from the Hezbollah newspaper al-Ahd indicates that the fighters who died were, on average, more educated and less impoverished than the Lebanese population of comparable age and regional origin….Moreover, the Palestinians' adherence to the view that the mass murder of civilians was not terrorism was independent of education and higher among those working than unemployed. Hence, support for terrorism was not reduced by increases in education and income….a study by Charles Russell and Bowman Miller (reprinted in the 1983 book Perspectives on Terrorism) considered 18 revolutionary groups, including the Japanese Red Army, Germany's Baader-Meinhof Gang, and Italy's Red Brigades. The authors found that "the vast majority of those individuals involved in terrorist activities as cadres or leaders is quite well-educated. In fact, approximately two-thirds of those identified terrorists are persons with some university training, [and] well over two-thirds of these individuals came from the middle or upper classes in their respective nations or areas." BW Online | June 10, 2002 | The Myth That Poverty Breeds Terrorism
http://www.krueger.princeton.edu/terrorism2.pdf

3. …men who belonged to violent Islamist groups active over the past few decades (some in jail, some not). Had those groups reflected the working-age populations of their countries, engineers would have made up about 3.5 percent of the membership. Instead, nearly 20 percent of the militants had engineering degrees. When Gambetta and Hertog looked at only the militants whose education was known for certain to have gone beyond high school, close to half (44 percent) had trained in engineering.
Today's Highly Educated Terrorists | The National Interest Blog

Blog

4. Pol Pot, was the leader of the Cambodian communist movement known as the Khmer Rouge[3] and was Prime Minister of Democratic Kampuchea from 1976–1979. Pol Pot's leadership, in which he attempted to "cleanse" the country, resulted in the deaths of an estimated 1.7–2.5 million people…. he qualified for a scholarship that allowed for technical study in France. He studied radio electronics at the EFR in Paris from 1949 to 1953 Pol Pot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5. Khmer Rouge leader Khieu Samphan, who had studied in Paris, wrote in his doctoral dissertation that the Cambodian economy and social structure would be renewed by tapping “the dormant energy of the peasant mass” against the cities. “Kissinger, “The White House Years,” p. 518.

6. Ernesto "Che" Guevara "the man was a mass killer. Hundreds were reportedly executed on his watch" Why Do people love a mass murder like Che? // Current

Ernesto Guevara de la Serna (1928-1967) was an Argentine physician... Biography of Ernesto Che Guevara, Revolutionary Leader


As a young boy growing up, he had a passion for education, literature and philosophy. Mao Zedong
"he worked as a doctor. Che Guevara : Biography

7. Lenin was born Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, April 22, 1870….In 1891 he passed the law examinations at the University of St. Petersburg as an external student, scoring first in his class. He practiced law briefly in Samara before devoting himself to the revolutionary movement. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin), 1870-1924

8. Bashar al-Assad is the President of the Syrian Arab Republic, Regional Secretary of the Ba'ath Party, and the son of former President Hafez al-Assad. Al-Assad is a controversial figure both in Syria and Internationally… for his disregard for human rights, economic lapses, sponsorship of terrorism, and corruption. Bashar studied ophthalmology at Damascus University 1988 and arrived in London in 1992 to continue his studies. Bashar al-Assad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





9. Mao was a rebellious teen-ager. His father wanted him to be a farmer; Mao wanted more education beyond the village grammar school. Mao left home at age 13 to attend an advanced school in a nearby district and in 1911 arrived in Changsha, the provincial capital, to attend secondary school…. He tried law enforcement, business and history before settling on education, graduating from a teachers' training school in 1918. He departed for Beijing to attend the university. CNN In-Depth Specials - Visions of China - Profiles: Mao Tse-tung



10.Al Qaeda leader Ayman al Zawahiri received his master's degree in surgery from Cairo University.... http://www.biography.com/people/ayman-al-zawahiri-241182



11. Nidal Hasan, Abdulmutallab and Humam al-Balawi are jihadists who were educated and came from privileged middle- and upper-class backgrounds. Hasan was an American-trained U. S. Army doctor, Abdulmutallab was a London engineering student and the son of a wealthy Nigerian banker, and double-agent Dr. Humam al-Balawi was a member of the Jordanian professional class. http://frontpagemag.com/2010/wm-b-fankboner/the-educated-muslim-terrorist/



12. "One piece of the Krueger-Maleckova evidence involves 129 members of Hezbollah who died in action, mostly against Israel, from 1982 to 1994. Hezbollah is now designated by the U.S. as a terrorist organization. Biographical information from the Hezbollah newspaper al-Ahd indicates that the fighters who died were, on average, more educated and less impoverished than the Lebanese population of comparable age and regional origin." The Myth That Poverty Breeds Terrorism

and......" a study by Charles Russell and Bowman Miller (reprinted in the 1983 book Perspectives on Terrorism) considered 18 revolutionary groups, including the Japanese Red Army, Germany's Baader-Meinhof Gang, and Italy's Red Brigades. The authors found that "the vast majority of those individuals involved in terrorist activities as cadres or leaders is quite well-educated. In fact, approximately two-thirds of those identified terrorists are persons with some university training, [and] well over two-thirds of these individuals came from the middle or upper classes in their respective nations or areas."Ibid.


13. Fidel Castro was a talented student, and decided to pursue a career in law, entering the University of Havana Law School in 1945. After graduating law school, he opened a law office that primarily catered for poor Cubans, although it proved a financial failure.

Fidel Castro Biography - life, family, parents, story, history, school, mother, young, son, old, information, born


Highly educated Leftists, smart guys all....

If the alternative is an ideological cult that denies scientific and medical reality, and spews hateful lies such as Black immigrants eating pet dogs and cats, I would prefer whichever respects the truth, of course. I would not vote for stupid and dishonest.

An analysis comparing all 50 states in terms of education quality and attainment reveals that ‘red states’ or United States regions predominantly supporting the Republican party during the 2016 elections and Trump consistently have lower educational attainment than blue states.​

 

[citygator]

FYI: It is You're, a contraction of You are ====> You're

Thats what I typed genius.

 

[citygator]

If the direction of the Democrat Party, nationally, mirrors that of Mamdani, Bernie, and AOC, will you vote Democrat?

What's the other choice in your made up scenario? Authoritarian kleptocracy handmaiden's tale future?

 

[schmidlap]

An analysis comparing all 50 states in terms of education quality and attainment reveals that ‘red states’ or United States regions predominantly supporting the Republican party during the 2016 elections and Trump consistently have lower educational attainment than blue states.​

I cannot find any alternative, objective surveys that refute the empirical data that confirms that Red States are less-educated than Blue States, but invite those who whine about that reality to post any such studies.

 

[imawhosure]

Every Republican president since 1980 has caused a recession and massive unemployment. Reagan? Check, Bush Sr? Check. Bush Jr? Check. Trump? Check. Zero Democrats have caused recessions. The jobs added is 50M for democrats and about 1M for republicans. The GOP has raised the deficit under every president and every democrat has lowered it since 1980.

I have the receipts. They say you are fucked.

Ah, City bit, lol. OK City, we all have 1 question to start the debate, and one only--------------> Are the Democrats STILL DEMOCRATS, or are they Democrats in name only?

You tell all of us, WHICH DEMOCRAT over the last 40 years, allowed millions of illegals into the country before Biden?

Remember Jimmy.......JC.........Carter and Bill Clinton? Ummmmmmm, didn't they want to

1. Send illegals home and keep them out, and

2. Find a way for the USA to supply its own oil?

Also..............weren't blue collar workers ALWAYS Democrats? And now they are-)

So you see, your definition of a DEMOCRAT is flawed terribly. You tell us what Kamala and Biden have in common with JFK!

Same with your definition of the new Republicans. What does Trump have in common with Ford, or Nixon? Not much. Trump would actually be considered a blue dog Democrat in decades past.

And so-------->your whole PREMISE of Democrats VERSUS Republicans in this day and age, is 100% faulty. That is like me insisting that all DEMOCRATS today are racist, because it was they who fostered in the Klu-Klux-Klan, and Woodrow Wilson loved him some Klan. What these 2 political party's once were, they are no longer..........which is EXACTLY why LEFTISTS hate Trump so much. It was always easy to tie up stuff shirt GOPers in knots.......and many of them deserved it. Not so much with DJT. If anything, he ties the Democrats in knots, wouldn't you say! You doubt me? Then ask yourself this question--------->Why is the Democratic Party SHRINKING, and the Republican and Independents growing?

Just remember Gator and friends------------>it isn't me INSISTING that the Democrats are in deep trouble........I am just regurgitating what is said.........by YOUR OWN PEOPLE!

AND ANYBODY suggesting how wonderful the Democrats are from past performance, should understand that is like saying the New York Yankees are going to win the world series every year, because they were so good in the past.

Logical, THINKING people need debate current policies, not past ones, to discover a way forward!

And so, like I said------------>do you support having those 12 to 20 million illegals running our streets, while receiving free government services.....paid for out of our pockets? OR RATHER----------> Yay team, keep the border closed, and ship as many of the freeloaders out as possible? Enquiring minds want to know!

 

[citygator]

Ah, City bit, lol. OK City, we all have 1 question to start the debate, and one only--------------> Are the Democrats STILL DEMOCRATS, or are they Democrats in name only?

You tell all of us, WHICH DEMOCRAT over the last 40 years, allowed millions of illegals into the country before Biden?

Remember Jimmy.......JC.........Carter and Bill Clinton? Ummmmmmm, didn't they want to

1. Send illegals home and keep them out, and

2. Find a way for the USA to supply its own oil?

Also..............weren't blue collar workers ALWAYS Democrats? And now they are-)

So you see, your definition of a DEMOCRAT is flawed terribly. You tell us what Kamala and Biden have in common with JFK!

Same with your definition of the new Republicans. What does Trump have in common with Ford, or Nixon? Not much. Trump would actually be considered a blue dog Democrat in decades past.

And so-------->your whole PREMISE of Democrats VERSUS Republicans in this day and age, is 100% faulty. That is like me insisting that all DEMOCRATS today are racist, because it was they who fostered in the Klu-Klux-Klan, and Woodrow Wilson loved him some Klan. What these 2 political party's once were, they are no longer..........which is EXACTLY why LEFTISTS hate Trump so much. It was always easy to tie up stuff shirt GOPers in knots.......and many of them deserved it. Not so much with DJT. If anything, he ties the Democrats in knots, wouldn't you say! You doubt me? Then ask yourself this question--------->Why is the Democratic Party SHRINKING, and the Republican and Independents growing?

Just remember Gator and friends------------>it isn't me INSISTING that the Democrats are in deep trouble........I am just regurgitating what is said.........by YOUR OWN PEOPLE!

AND ANYBODY suggesting how wonderful the Democrats are from past performance, should understand that is like saying the New York Yankees are going to win the world series every year, because they were so good in the past.

Logical, THINKING people need debate current policies, not past ones, to discover a way forward!

And so, like I said------------>do you support having those 12 to 20 million illegals running our streets, while receiving free government services.....paid for out of our pockets? OR RATHER----------> Yay team, keep the border closed, and ship as many of the freeloaders out as possible? Enquiring minds want to know!

You skipped over and did not address the economic calamity of the GOP for the last 50 years. It is a tale of lost jobs, recessions, slow growth, and stagnant stock markets. I have the receipts. Of the 11 recessions that have occurred in the modern (post-World War II) era, 10 of them have occurred under Republican presidents.

JOB GROWTH

UNEMPLOYMENT

GDP

MANUFACTURING

DEFICIT SPENDING

I HAVE THE RECEIPTS

 

[imawhosure]

You skipped over and did not address the economic calamity of the GOP for the last 50 years. It is a tale of lost jobs, recessions, slow growth, and stagnant stock markets. I have the receipts. Of the 11 recessions that have occurred in the modern (post-World War II) era, 10 of them have occurred under Republican presidents.

JOB GROWTH
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I HAVE THE RECEIPTS

You keep trying to insist that THESE Democrat policies, are akin to THOSE Democrat policies of the past. Who in the past for the Democrats was AOC? Ilhan? Who wanted to let all these illegals in? Who wanted to mandate electric vehicles?

These are the questions of OUR time, not what some politician did 50 years ago.

YOU keep glossing over what YOUR PARTY wants to do. I think we should discuss the better choice going forward. If you want to discuss things from 50 years ago, take a history class. We need answers going forward, not backwards.

 

[citygator]

You keep trying to insist that THESE Democrat policies, are akin to THOSE Democrat policies of the past. Who in the past for the Democrats was AOC? Ilhan? Who wanted to let all these illegals in? Who wanted to mandate electric vehicles?

These are the questions of OUR time, not what some politician did 50 years ago.

YOU keep glossing over what YOUR PARTY wants to do. I think we should discuss the better choice going forward. If you want to discuss things from 50 years ago, take a history class. We need answers going forward, not backwards.

I appreciate you at least didnt call facts fake news.

As for old results vs new democrats: Biden has only been out of office for 6/7 months? Same folks are in the democratic party. The record under Biden was pretty much what you get from Democrats. Job growth, GDP growth, no recessions, and deficit reductions. You have been conditioned to listen instead of look. If you look at results you will come to a different conclusion than listening to right wing propaganda which points to some dude in a dress that votes democrat so you lose your mind and vote against your interests.

 

[22lcidw]

Hakeem Jeffries is a Communist. You better realize it. Communists end up reducing the population and cause misery for the population. We are moving towards a more educated versions of Communists. Progressive Socialist Communist women who fought for rights for so many decades and years and now consider transexuals in sports as okay. Just a smidgen of crazy. This is what controls a women's body issue. And they are empowered, with insanity and we are finished. Let the world end. Let the weapons detonate. So, we will begin again.

 

[imawhosure]

I appreciate you at least didnt call facts fake news.

As for old results vs new democrats: Biden has only been out of office for 6/7 months? Same folks are in the democratic party. The record under Biden was pretty much what you get from Democrats. Job growth, GDP growth, no recessions, and deficit reductions. You have been conditioned to listen instead of look. If you look at results you will come to a different conclusion than listening to right wing propaganda which points to some dude in a dress that votes democrat so you lose your mind and vote against your interests.

Gator, I would NOT call it fake news; maybe a more descriptive term would be..........immaterial news.

I mean, I can NOT draw parallels enough, Germany basically started 2 world wars, so we should hate all Germans? Lindbergh was a tremendous star, and his child got murdered. He loved the Nazi's, so we should have loved the Nazi's too? Roosevelt called Stalin "Uncle Joe," think about that!

For me, (I used to be a Democrat) it is not about what the Democrats did in the past, for if it was, I would still be a Democrat. It is about what they did/are doing in the present, and what they want to do in the future.

And just a little food for thought-------------> A person is stuck/lost in the desert. A week later they find the person, rescue them, and give that person a gallon of water. For some reason, it happens over, and over, and over again, so the rescue crew comes up with a GENIUS idea............lets build a 5000 GALLON WATER TOWER that is 100 foot tall, and the water is cooled. This way, when someone gets lost in the small desert, they will see the water tower, and head right for it. BRILLIANT!

1st person lost in the desert afterwards, sees the tower just as predicted and heads for it. Walks up to the tower, and pulls the lever and, WOOSH! All 5000 gallons of water comes crashing down on them, and drowns them, breaking their neck in the process.

THE MORAL OF THE STORY---------------> A good thing, is a good thing. Sometimes, to MUCH of a good thing, ends up being a BAD thing. Such as WELFARE, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, taking money from law enforcement, taxing the people to much, etc, etc. And yet, at one time, many of these actions that I mentioned were considered to be needed and a good thing. Not so much anymore, but that is EXACTLY where the Democrats (who are actually Democrats in name only) want to take us again, and they have said so succinctly.

And finally------------->The Democrats (in name only) want to protect illegals. Fine, then why don't they sponsor a bill in the Senate and The House to put forth that position? Why such insistence from them for everyone from LAW ENFORCEMENT on down to citizens, to just go along and allow the law to be broken? They have not uttered 1 word why such laws are archaic, nor put forth ANY effort to change the law, just BREAK the law! All you hear is how we need illegals to do this, that, and the other. Why do they have to be illegal? Why can they not be people allowed in to do the work?

The real REASON IS-------->We do not need them all, not even close! And the high tech jobs coming online!!!!!!!!! Hell, many of our workers are going to need training to do them. So, who are we going to train 1st? Our citizens, or another country's citizens?

And so I looked. The latest I could find quickly was stats for 2022. It states that in April of that year, 630,000 people were hired by our farms, of which a little over 50% were illegal.

And so, lets make them all ILLEGAL for the sake of debate, and DOUBLE that number to almost 1.3 million. That is a far cry from the 10, 20 million that Biden let over the border, is it not? Sooooooooo, as I stated.........it is all a red herring, plain and simple!

https://downloads.usda.library.cornell.edu/usda-esmis/files/x920fw89s/mp48tj815/0c484p887/fmla0522.pdf