Why Are The Mormons Having A War On Masturbation?

[Skull Pilot]

Where did the OP get the war on masturbation crap?

It's more about an unhealthy obsession with porn and the internet to the point of interfering with the kid's life.

What the heck do you think the boy is doing out in the woods....playing bingo?

The entire premise was a porn addiction that his friends ignored not the fact that he rubbed one out once in a while.

 

[koshergrl]

Yes, because *safe* sex isn't very safe.

A lot of us tell our children to stick to that goal. It's a good goal. Reduces the likelihood of pregnancy and STD transmission.

I know. Amazing.

Safe sex is very safe, not 100%, but it's very safe. And it's more realistic than preaching abstinence. You should go look at the stats for abstinence.

Yes, well, I'll take that with a grain of salt, as it comes from the board member who thinks that pornography is sex ed and porn addiction is the only way to keep young men from turning into serial rapists.

The stats clearly show that since the advent of sex education in our schools, the out of wedlock rate has increased, the std transmission rate has increased, sex abuse of minors has increased, and abortion has increased.

Well done! You guys really fixed things!

Why must you lie? And I'm going to need a link please.

A link for what?

Using complete sentences and descriptive words will help.

Jeebus H Chryst, can you not read or follow a conversation? I would like a link showing how sex ed causes everything you listed, above.

Oh, that's easy.

I never said that sex ed causes those things. I said that those things have increased since the advent of sex ed.

Are you arguing that the rate of illegitimacy, the rate of std infection among underage kids, have decreased since the schools started teaching sex ed in the schools?

 

[koshergrl]

Where did the OP get the war on masturbation crap?

It's more about an unhealthy obsession with porn and the internet to the point of interfering with the kid's life.

She hooked onto some anti-Mormon garbage that was fed to her.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Safe sex is very safe, not 100%, but it's very safe. And it's more realistic than preaching abstinence. You should go look at the stats for abstinence.

Yes, well, I'll take that with a grain of salt, as it comes from the board member who thinks that pornography is sex ed and porn addiction is the only way to keep young men from turning into serial rapists.

The stats clearly show that since the advent of sex education in our schools, the out of wedlock rate has increased, the std transmission rate has increased, sex abuse of minors has increased, and abortion has increased.

Well done! You guys really fixed things!

Why must you lie? And I'm going to need a link please.

A link for what?

Using complete sentences and descriptive words will help.

Jeebus H Chryst, can you not read or follow a conversation? I would like a link showing how sex ed causes everything you listed, above.

Oh, that's easy.

I never said that sex ed causes those things. I said that those things have increased since the advent of sex ed.

Are you arguing that the rate of illegitimacy, the rate of std infection among underage kids, have decreased since the schools started teaching sex ed in the schools?

I'm not arguing anything, except for the fact that abstinence doesn't work, and it's not realistic.

 

[Avatar4321]

Who is suggesting you should feel fear or shame? ...

Presumably anyone who buys into the relevant dictates laid out unambiguously by some of the so-called 'prophets', apostles, and Bishops of your Faith.

...BTW if you are experiencing guilt about something, that's usually an indication that you did something wrong.

Either that, or it's an indication that on some level you've bought into the bullshit that labelled what you did as wrong, despite the perfectly natural and healthy nature of the activity in question.

violence is natural too. Being natural doesn't mean it's perfectly healthy or you shouldn't feel bad about doing something.

besides gospel of Jesus Christ is that we can overcome the natural man and become something more. A new creature in Christ.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Where did the OP get the war on masturbation crap?

It's more about an unhealthy obsession with porn and the internet to the point of interfering with the kid's life.

She hooked onto some anti-Mormon garbage that was fed to her.

It was the Church that put out the video. And I've already shown you their anti-masturbation literature.

 

[koshergrl]

No, it wasn't the church that put out the video. It was students.

We've already been through this.

 

[koshergrl]

And the video in the op isn't anti-masturbation, it's meant to encourage students to intervene when they see friends struggling with addiction.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Who is suggesting you should feel fear or shame? ...

Presumably anyone who buys into the relevant dictates laid out unambiguously by some of the so-called 'prophets', apostles, and Bishops of your Faith.

...BTW if you are experiencing guilt about something, that's usually an indication that you did something wrong.

Either that, or it's an indication that on some level you've bought into the bullshit that labelled what you did as wrong, despite the perfectly natural and healthy nature of the activity in question.

violence is natural too. Being natural doesn't mean it's perfectly healthy or you shouldn't feel bad about doing something.

besides gospel of Jesus Christ is that we can overcome the natural man and become something more. A new creature in Christ.

Nice try. Violence is illegal. I can't believe you would use that comparison.

 

[koshergrl]

We've already established that, too.

If you're going to just regurgitate debunked commentary over and over again, then obvious, you've outlived your OP.

 

[Carla_Danger]

No, it wasn't the church that put out the video. It was students.

We've already been through this.

It was from Brigham Young University, the President, along with students.

 

[koshergrl]

Who is suggesting you should feel fear or shame? ...

Presumably anyone who buys into the relevant dictates laid out unambiguously by some of the so-called 'prophets', apostles, and Bishops of your Faith.

...BTW if you are experiencing guilt about something, that's usually an indication that you did something wrong.

Either that, or it's an indication that on some level you've bought into the bullshit that labelled what you did as wrong, despite the perfectly natural and healthy nature of the activity in question.

violence is natural too. Being natural doesn't mean it's perfectly healthy or you shouldn't feel bad about doing something.

besides gospel of Jesus Christ is that we can overcome the natural man and become something more. A new creature in Christ.

Nice try. Violence is illegal. I can't believe you would use that comparison.

Watching porn is illegal in many instances, too.

You have a point?

 

[koshergrl]

No, it wasn't the church that put out the video. It was students.

We've already been through this.

It was from Brigham Young University, the President, along with students.

You do understand that the university is not the same as the church?

And it's from the students. They used the BYU pres as a voice-over.

 

[koshergrl]

Ok...to recap.

Porn is not masturbation.
The video doesn't address masturbation, it addresses porn addiction.

Brigham Young University is not "The Mormon Church".
Students of BYU are not "The president".

Can I help you with anything else?

 

[Avatar4321]

Yes, because *safe* sex isn't very safe.

A lot of us tell our children to stick to that goal. It's a good goal. Reduces the likelihood of pregnancy and STD transmission.

I know. Amazing.

Safe sex is very safe, not 100%, but it's very safe. And it's more realistic than preaching abstinence. You should go look at the stats for abstinence.

id love to see the stats for how many people caught an std by not having sex. Or how many pregnancies between people who did not have sex. This should be enlightening

We
ll, you should google it. Abstinence isn't realistic or effective.

in other words you have nothing. Not surprising. Because it's 100% effective when it's used.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If none of you people are Mormon then why do you care about this?

 

[Carla_Danger]

Yes, because *safe* sex isn't very safe.

A lot of us tell our children to stick to that goal. It's a good goal. Reduces the likelihood of pregnancy and STD transmission.

I know. Amazing.

Safe sex is very safe, not 100%, but it's very safe. And it's more realistic than preaching abstinence. You should go look at the stats for abstinence.

id love to see the stats for how many people caught an std by not having sex. Or how many pregnancies between people who did not have sex. This should be enlightening

We
ll, you should google it. Abstinence isn't realistic or effective.

in other words you have nothing. Not surprising. Because it's 100% effective when it's used.

When used....

Now go look at those stats.

 

[koshergrl]

Why would I run at your bidding to support a statement I never said?

 

[Steven_R]

We
ll, you should google it. Abstinence isn't realistic or effective.

in other words you have nothing. Not surprising. Because it's 100% effective when it's used.

Mary disagrees!

 

[Carla_Danger]

Where did the OP get the war on masturbation crap?

It's more about an unhealthy obsession with porn and the internet to the point of interfering with the kid's life.

What the heck do you think the boy is doing out in the woods....playing bingo?

The entire premise was a porn addiction that his friends ignored not the fact that he rubbed one out once in a while.

A Guide to Self-Control

1. Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal toilet processes. Avoid being alone as much as possible. Find good company and stay in this good company.

2. If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, you must break off their friendship. Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose that two of you will quit together, you never will. You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence will keep your problem foremost in your mind. The problem must be taken out of your mind for that is where it really exists. Your mind must be on other and more wholesome things.

The Mormon Curtain - MARK E. PETERSON