Why Are The Left Fine With The Vaccinated Spreading Covid To Others?

[BlueGin]

Are you clueless? Even though you can use the wrong tool to fix something, the tool designed for the job is many times better, faster and more efficient.

88 died after taking flu shot but most causes remain unclear

Nov 5, 2020 — Eighty-eight people have died after taking flu shot as of midnight Tuesday, but investigations showed few causal links between vaccines and ...

COVID Vax is touted to only reduce symptoms to keep you from dying if you get infected

Flu shot is reported to do the same ( see article I already gave you).

The COVID vaccine is basically useless.

 

[meaner gene]

COVID Vax is touted to only reduce symptoms to keep you from dying if you get infected

Flu shot is reported to do the same ( see article I already gave you).

The COVID vaccine is basically useless.

The difference is the effectiveness. You would confuse a vaccine that reduces symptoms by 10% like the flu shot, to one reducing them by over 90%

You think 10% and 90% are similar enough to be put into the same category.

You would be WRONG.

 

[Independentthinker]

Herd immunity ‘not a possibility’ with Delta variant

Head of Oxford Vaccine Group says vaccination won’t stop spread altogether.

www.politico.eu

Pollard, who was involved in the development of the Oxford/AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine, told the U.K.'s All-Party Parliamentary Group on coronavirus that, unlike measles — where 95 percent vaccination of the population would stop transmission — the same couldn’t be said for coronavirus spread by the Delta variants.

Measles - 95%
Delta variant - 85%
Alplha variant - 70%

Different diseases need different vaccination levels of the population, due to difference in communicability (R0)

Did you not even read the article? Hell, even the headline said "Herd immunity ‘not a possibility’ with Delta variant".

After that, it went on to say:
Herd immunity is “not a possibility” with the current spread of the Delta variant due to it still infecting vaccinated individuals, the head of the Oxford Vaccine Group Andrew Pollard said Tuesday.

Pollard, who was involved in the development of the Oxford/AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine, told the U.K.'s All-Party Parliamentary Group on coronavirus that, unlike measles — where 95 percent vaccination of the population would stop transmission — the same couldn’t be said for coronavirus spread by the Delta variants.

Why do you refuse to follow the science and listen to the experts?

 

[BlueGin]

The difference is the effectiveness. You would confuse a vaccine that reduces symptoms by 10% like the flu shot, to one reducing them by over 90%

You think 10% and 90% are similar enough to be put into the same category.

You would be WRONG.

Your COVID shot loses effectiveness with every variant. Which means in the month to 6 weeks it takes you to be fully vaccinated your shot is already expired. They don’t even have updated stats for two of the 4 vaccines for delta. Or all 4 outside of that. Which means they will be requiring boosters every 4/6 mos.

Which also means more chances of adverse side effects.

No thanks

 

[meaner gene]

Did you not even read the article? Hell, even the headline said "Herd immunity ‘not a possibility’ with Delta variant".

Pollard, who was involved in the development of the Oxford/AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine, told the U.K.'s All-Party Parliamentary Group on coronavirus that, unlike measles — where 95 percent vaccination of the population would stop transmission — the same couldn’t be said for coronavirus spread by the Delta variants.

That's because of the very nature of COVID. Unlike measles that isn't contagious until symptoms appear, COVID is contagious before symptoms. Which means that the measles serves to stop spread, where the COVID vaccine is less effective at that.

And his conclusion COVID can't be stopped, is countered by others who conclude the opposite.

 

[meaner gene]

Your COVID shot loses effectiveness with every variant.

As does natural immunity.

 

[BlueGin]

As does natural immunity.

Natural immunity doesn’t create other health problems like blood clots,weak heart,stroke,blindness,paralysis etc…

 

[meaner gene]

They don’t even have updated stats for two of the 4 vaccines for delta. Or all 4 outside of that. Which means they will be requiring boosters every 4/6 mos.

Which also means more chances of adverse side effects.

No thanks

They similarly have no data on natural immunity to the alpha strain vs the delta variant. That is because of the nature of genome vs PCR testing.
The Israeli study was fundamentally flawed because it sued natural immunity during predominantly delta infections, and inferred those results on those who were infected with the original alpha strain.

 

[meaner gene]

Natural immunity doesn’t create other health problems like blood clots,weak heart,stroke,blindness,paralysis etc…

Actually it does, it's called "long COVID"

 

[meaner gene]

Natural immunity doesn’t create other health problems like blood clots,weak heart,stroke,blindness,paralysis etc…

Common symptoms in people with “Long COVID” are profound fatigue, breathlessness, cough, chest pain, palpitations, headache, joint pain, myalgia and weakness, insomnia, pins and needles, diarrhea, rash or hair loss, impaired balance and gait, neurocognitive issues including memory and concentration problems

COVID-19: Complications, including long-term damage to the lungs, heart, kidneys, brain and other organs

 

[Independentthinker]

That's because of the very nature of COVID. Unlike measles that isn't contagious until symptoms appear, COVID is contagious before symptoms. Which means that the measles serves to stop spread, where the COVID vaccine is less effective at that.

And his conclusion COVID can't be stopped, is countered by others who conclude the opposite.

He didn't exactly say that Covid can't be stopped. He said the vaccines can't stop Delta and that it is likely we will get an even worse mutation that vaccines won't work on either. Vaccines won't get us to herd immunity so the left need to quit lying about that and blaming the unvaccinated for the spread of the virus when both the unvaccinated and the vaccinated are spreading the virus.

 

[Crepitus]

Masks are only 10% effective. Social distancing isn't really needed outside and is pretty worthless inside. Booster shots are the same old same old shots. In fact, WHO, as well as other experts, have said that booster shots are not needed and those shots could better be used to protect others around the world. You know, so that mutations don't happen, which then spread around the world. Why do you ignore the science?

I realize that's what your "media" tells you but all of that is false.

 

[alang1216]

If people have had a regular flu shot,their COVID symptoms can be minimized to the same extent as a vax’d individual.

I never read that. Where does that info come from?

The mandate is nothing more than seeing how far people can be pushed until they comply with the government.

Paranoid much?

 

[alang1216]

There is much, much evidence that vaccinated people spread the virus. It is proven, not a theory.

Agreed. What is still an unknown is how long each group will remain contagious.

 

[Independentthinker]

I realize that's what your "media" tells you but all of that is false.

I posted reputable links that were not from right wing media. But, I realize you are a fact denier.

 

[Concerned American]

You losers need to get vaccinated to STOP clogging up the Hospitals stressing out staff so accident victims can get into the ER for real necessary care. An ounce of prevention is worth tons of expensive cure.

Get vaccinated for a cold with a 99% survival rate. HaHaHa, Kiss My...I'll finish it for you, ASS.

 

[Concerned American]

Wrong.

A vaccinated person who wears a mask is prevented from spreading the virus to others.

One wears as mask to protect others, not himself.

Doing something to the benefit others is clearly foreign to the selfish, self-centered right.

I believe the manufacturer.

 

[Concerned American]

The Hospitals are only full of un-vaccinated idiots! Vaccinated are not clogging them up, so they can do as they wish!

Wrong, a local LTC facility had a spike--74 cases, 33 cases were fully vaccinated. Five fatalities, one of those was fully vaccinated. Your fucking vaccine is like the emperor's new clothes--it is phony.

 

[Concerned American]

From what I've read, it isn't known if the two groups are equally able to spread the virus. That's why the CDC says Mask Up America. It is suspected that vax people will be infectious for a shorter period of time. It is certain that the unvaxxed are many times more likely to suffer serious or fatal outcomes.

I am unvaxxed and I have better immunity than ANYONE with the vax and I don't have to worry about the side effects of an unproven experimental substance.

 

[alang1216]

I am unvaxxed and I have better immunity than ANYONE with the vax and I don't have to worry about the side effects of an unproven experimental substance.

Good for you. Which test did you take?