Why Are Some of My Fellow Conservatives Being Irrational About COVID-19 Vaccination?

[meaner gene]

The United States Government


The same United States government ... is the same ones putting milkions of Americans out of work to force compliance with the Un-Constitutional vaccine mandates.

You must have read that last weeks new unemployment claims is at the lowest level in 50 years.

 

[SweetSue92]

No. I'm saying if you haven't gotten vaccinated and you are using those as your reasons you are an idiot. This is a simple risk analysis. Not a political position to take. It's simple math.

This is a disease of the endothelium. It attacks the lining of organs. It only uses the respiratory system to gain access. Long term damage to all organs, that may affect ones life span, can occur even if one does not need to go to the hospital. If this is the first time you are hearing this you have been getting your information from sources that are more worried about political parties than they are about your health.

You realize the shots do the same thing, I hope. You realize, I hope, that the spike proteins in the shots were supposed to stay confined to the arm muscle and do not. That's why you're seeing heart damage, menstrual changes in women, etc. Those spike proteins in some people go EVERYwhere.

 

[SweetSue92]

MOST prominent Republicans are (a) vaccinated, and (b) opposed to a vaccine mandate.

Apparently this juxtaposition is more than Leftists can handle.

The Media play a role in the "confusion" about the current situation. When vaccinations swept the country, they were constantly printing stories about vaccinated people WHO TESTED POSITIVE!!!, thus giving the false impression that vaccination served no purpose.

But the fact is that those being vaccinated were told very candidly that they could still be infected, but that the vaccine would make it very unlikely that they get seriously sick or die. That was the value of the jab.

It is now the case that approximately 90% of the people getting seriously sick and those who are dying are UNVACCINATED, but a casual reading of the daily headlines would not reveal that critical fact. So many people are still convinced that the vaccine (1) is not effective (in preventing infection), and (2) could result in long term problems that are not yet known.

And the fact is that, from a risk standpoint, the chances that any individual healthy adult will get sick and die from Covid is very small. It happens, but it's rare. It is still the case that the vast majority of the serious victims are either quite elderly or medically compromised. So would I significantly change my lifestyle to accommodate this small risk?

It is not being "irrational" to assess a small risk and decide to live with it. Another example being, I choose to ride a motorcycle, knowing that I am ten times more likely to be seriously injured or killed in the event of a traffic accident than someone riding in a car. Increased risk? Absolutely. And I accept it.

That 90% number is what you get when you count vaxxed/unvaxxed numbers going back to JANUARY, when almost no one was vaccinated. For recent numbers, look through the thread. In the MI beaumont hospital system it's up to 40% vaccinated. In Minnesota the same.

 

[SweetSue92]

Where do you usually go?

It is true that the overwhelming percentage of covid deaths is among the un-vaxxed. Either you'll lie and tell us that is wrong or you'll admit you're full of shit.

Or, door #3, bring up some long-debunked website quoting some doctor who you'll claim is the greatest medical expert in the universe but strangely nobody has ever heard of them.

Your move...go.

Yes, if you go back to January, when most people were unvaxxed. As I have put right in this thread, evidence from my own state in the last month is that nearly a THIRD of deaths are among the vaxxed.

There is some talk about Minnesota as well, but they're being very coy with the numbers. You can only get good information going back to OCTOBER 10th--at least two weeks before the wave hit. Then you find this:

The latest breakthrough case data from the Minnesota Department of Health comes from the week of Oct. 10. More vaccinated people died of COVID-19 that week than non-vaccinated people.

While COVID Breakthrough Deaths Are Increasing, Doctors Still Urge Minnesotans To Get Vaccinated: 'If You're Playing The Odds, Being Vaccinated Is Markedly Better'

The latest breakthrough case data from the Minnesota Department of Health comes from the week of Oc. 10. More vaccinated people died of COVID-19 that week than non-vaccinated people. But the numbers also make it clear the risk of hospitalization and death is still much greater for Minnesotans...

minnesota.cbslocal.com

The fact is that if these vaccines were still super protective against hospitalization and death no boosters would be necessary AND the powers that be would not have to go back to JANUARY to fudge the numbers about how great they are.

It remains a total mystery to my why Leftists have decided to throw in with Big Pharma who is obviously playing roulette with people's BODIES--and with a subpar product (to say the least). But here we are. Go down with the ship, I guess, if you must.

 

[candycorn]

Yes, if you go back to January, when most people were unvaxxed. As I have put right in this thread, evidence from my own state in the last month is that nearly a THIRD of deaths are among the vaxxed.

There is some talk about Minnesota as well, but they're being very coy with the numbers. You can only get good information going back to OCTOBER 10th--at least two weeks before the wave hit. Then you find this:

The latest breakthrough case data from the Minnesota Department of Health comes from the week of Oct. 10. More vaccinated people died of COVID-19 that week than non-vaccinated people.

While COVID Breakthrough Deaths Are Increasing, Doctors Still Urge Minnesotans To Get Vaccinated: 'If You're Playing The Odds, Being Vaccinated Is Markedly Better'

The latest breakthrough case data from the Minnesota Department of Health comes from the week of Oc. 10. More vaccinated people died of COVID-19 that week than non-vaccinated people. But the numbers also make it clear the risk of hospitalization and death is still much greater for Minnesotans...

minnesota.cbslocal.com

The fact is that if these vaccines were still super protective against hospitalization and death no boosters would be necessary AND the powers that be would not have to go back to JANUARY to fudge the numbers about how great they are.

It remains a total mystery to my why Leftists have decided to throw in with Big Pharma who is obviously playing roulette with people's BODIES--and with a subpar product (to say the least). But here we are. Go down with the ship, I guess, if you must.

From your source:

"But the numbers also make it clear the risk of hospitalization and death is still much greater for Minnesotans who aren’t fully vaccinated."

Thanks for the link. I didn't need any extra ammunition to blow your sorry ass out of the water but it is especially wonderful when you hand me the bullets. As I've always said about you...you're dumber than a box of rocks.

 

[SweetSue92]

From your source:

"But the numbers also make it clear the risk of hospitalization and death is still much greater for Minnesotans who aren’t fully vaccinated."

Thanks for the link. I didn't need any extra ammunition to blow your sorry ass out of the water but it is especially wonderful when you hand me the bullets. As I've always said about you...you're dumber than a box of rocks.

I will go even further and quote you the rest:

As of last Tuesday, nearly 300 patients are hospitalized with COVID in the Allina system.

Three out of four of them are unvaccinated. The proportion is even higher in ICUs.

“In our ICUs and those that are on ventilators, over 90% are unvaccinated,” Best said. “I’m hopeful that starts to really hit home for people.”

So here is what we have: two weeks ago in Minnesota, about two weeks into the surge (and hospitalization is a lagging indicator), we had a full QUARTER of hospitalized patients FULLY VACCINATED. That had not bled over to the ICU YET.

And you're bragging about this--you think these are great vaccines? I guarantee these numbers are closer to Michigan's now, where you have close to a THIRD of hospitalized patients fully vaccinated.

 

[SweetSue92]

From your source:

"But the numbers also make it clear the risk of hospitalization and death is still much greater for Minnesotans who aren’t fully vaccinated."

Thanks for the link. I didn't need any extra ammunition to blow your sorry ass out of the water but it is especially wonderful when you hand me the bullets. As I've always said about you...you're dumber than a box of rocks.

Here's a more recent article. Notice the LACK of info on vaxxed/unvaxxed....huh. But with nearly 75% of the population vaxxed, why are cases so high and growing? Why are hospitalizations so high? You wouldn't see that if cases weren't EXPLODING among the vaccinated, just like here in MI.

COVID-19 hospitalizations set 2021 record once again in Minnesota

The latest state data show 1,429 people infected with the virus were receiving inpatient treatment Monday.

www.startribune.com

 

[SweetSue92]

From your source:

"But the numbers also make it clear the risk of hospitalization and death is still much greater for Minnesotans who aren’t fully vaccinated."

Thanks for the link. I didn't need any extra ammunition to blow your sorry ass out of the water but it is especially wonderful when you hand me the bullets. As I've always said about you...you're dumber than a box of rocks.

Here's another one on Minnesota, from Nov 24th. Note that ICU unvaxxed is down to 80%. And that's ICU:

Doctors continue to stress the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines, saying that while immunizations can't stop all infections, they help most patients avoid the worst of the virus. At Minneapolis-based Allina Health System, 56 of the 68 pandemic patients in the intensive care unit Monday were unvaccinated.

The number of serious illnesses in people who've been vaccinated is beginning to tick up, but that's a function of waning immunity, plus the simple fact that as more people get vaccinated there are more chances for breakthrough infections, said Dr. Frank Rhame, an infectious disease specialist at Allina.

Minnesota confronts another Thanksgiving scarred by COVID

Thousands are newly infected and more health care workers are tending to the sick as families navigate dicey conversations over whether to get vaccinated.

www.startribune.com

 

[SweetSue92]

From your source:

"But the numbers also make it clear the risk of hospitalization and death is still much greater for Minnesotans who aren’t fully vaccinated."

Thanks for the link. I didn't need any extra ammunition to blow your sorry ass out of the water but it is especially wonderful when you hand me the bullets. As I've always said about you...you're dumber than a box of rocks.

An article on breakthrough infections with an anecdotal report. Right. People can only see this for so long before they start to say "these vaccines are crap". And that's what's starting to happen.

Meanwhile, another Minneapolis resident Kurt Decker has been battling his own breakthrough illness. He's the general manager of two running gear outfitters in the Twin Cities metro area. Some of his colleagues have breakthrough cases, too, causing staff scheduling headaches.

"So all of a sudden — boom, boom, three people [were sick],” he said. “That was really stressful."

Decker, 50, runs and bikes constantly, so he's in good shape. But he says his breakthrough case has been brutal.

"It got really bad. I was wheezing, having a hard time breathing and my chest was sore," he said.

Rising breakthrough COVID-19 cases cause hassle, worry

 

[candycorn]

Here's a more recent article. Notice the LACK of info on vaxxed/unvaxxed....huh. But with nearly 75% of the population vaxxed, why are cases so high and growing? Why are hospitalizations so high? You wouldn't see that if cases weren't EXPLODING among the vaccinated, just like here in MI.

COVID-19 hospitalizations set 2021 record once again in Minnesota

The latest state data show 1,429 people infected with the virus were receiving inpatient treatment Monday.

www.startribune.com

You're pitching Batting Practice...

Again from your source:

"Compared with last year, Minnesotans can be thankful for many advances in coping with COVID-19, Malcolm said, with vaccines being first and foremost. Minnesota ranks second among states in adults who have received booster shots, Walz said, and sixth in immunizations among children ages 5-11."

 

[eagle1462010]

Your concession is noted, Shitbird. Stop spreading bullshit and propaganda and this won't happen to you.

Oh yeah, calling people who are clearly smarter than you'll ever be "idiots", over and over again, really just make you look like a short bus kid.

Be a good little sheep. Baaaa.

We have the worst stats on the earth PERIOD. And here are a bunch of dumb asses....fitting symbol of the DNC.........worshiping what they say.

At what point do you go .........maybe we should listen to countries who have done night and day better.

Gov't is your God. Not mine.

 

[SweetSue92]

You're pitching Batting Practice...

Again from your source:

"Compared with last year, Minnesotans can be thankful for many advances in coping with COVID-19, Malcolm said, with vaccines being first and foremost. Minnesota ranks second among states in adults who have received booster shots, Walz said, and sixth in immunizations among children ages 5-11."

Doctors shilling, so what? If people had been told when they got this experimental shot: hey, it won't do a thing to stop transmission or reduce your chances of getting covid, and we have no idea of the long term effects. But it might reduce your odds of severe illness and death for about six months....

How many fewer people would have gotten it?

A LOT

 

[eagle1462010]

I guess you missed the part where he called me an 'idiot" three times in a row when I completely debunked his post - with links. You said nothing about HIS intolerance, rudeness and generally being an asshole. No, it's only when I retaliated in the only language that his clown seems to understand that you come after ME as intolerate.

Unless you would like similar treatment, I suggest you apologize for your rudeness and cut it out. Otherwise you'll learn just how intolerant and lacking in compassion I am for knee jerk responses that ignore context.

Idiot. Make it 4 times.

 

[candycorn]

But it might reduce your odds of severe illness and death for about six months....

Well, enjoy your 7th month after death. Dingbat.

 

[SweetSue92]

Well, enjoy your 7th month after death. Dingbat.

Have you been boosted? Do you have any idea what THREE mRNA shots with all those spike proteins are doing inside you?

Of course you don't. No one really does. Cancers are way up, though. Weird heart problems and blood clots too. Oh well. You pays your money and you take your chances. Why you choose to shill for an operation as crooked as Big Pharma is anyone's guess. You do you, good little bootlicker

 

[eagle1462010]

But wait...

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I'm missing the part when their first "vaccine" got approved.

India version of it. Was used there, but primarily they did better from Home Health Kits containing Imervectin doxycycline and zinc. Told their citizens to take it as soon as they get symptoms of Covid.

And..........4 times the population and a little over half the deaths here. But the FDA here only approves their PAY TO PLAY BUDDIES. Gillead...........etc.

 

[eagle1462010]

How did they die from the injection?

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) Request

wonder.cdc.gov

click agree at bottom.
click vaers data search
Click section 3 covid 19

Then it will show a large list of reported issues reported to date.

 

[eagle1462010]

Do the math.
Assuming we need 70% herd immunity to end the epidemic, that would have required deliberate infection of 230 million people last March, to end it then.
So how many would have died.
Fauci estimated a 2% lethality rate, but he was wrong because he did not realize most people infected would either not even notice, or would be afraid to let anyone know they were infected. It actually is less than 1% in general.
And by limiting infection volunteers to those under 40, then the death rate is reduced by a factor of 400.
So 1% of 230 million is 2.3 million, and when you divide that by 400, you get only 5,750 deaths.
That means letting the virus have this 1.5 year free reign is what killed over 700,000 people for no reason.
We could have saved over 700,000 lives if we had deliberately infected enough young people to end it last March.

I said the same thing when this started. Protect the vulnerable and not shut down. Don't let it hang out too long so it can't have time to mutate .

Now.......with these BS vaccines it is worse. WE FUCKED UP shutting down.

 

[SweetSue92]

I said the same thing when this started. Protect the vulnerable and not shut down. Don't let it hang out too long so it can't have time to mutate .

Now.......with these BS vaccines it is worse. WE FUCKED UP shutting down.

And now add vaccinating all these healthy young non-vulnerable people with these experimental vaccines. People in high places are in pure panic mode.

 

[eagle1462010]

Have you been boosted? Do you have any idea what THREE mRNA shots with all those spike proteins are doing inside you?

Of course you don't. No one really does. Cancers are way up, though. Weird heart problems and blood clots too. Oh well. You pays your money and you take your chances. Why you choose to shill for an operation as crooked as Big Pharma is anyone's guess. You do you, good little bootlicker

I'm gonna call that one you are posting to an Idiot too. lol
Even though she is on ignore.

Some cheap pills that keep covid from replicating as soon as you get symptoms would stop all this shit. But the talking heads call it HORSE DEWORMER.........even though 4 billion doses have been used on Humans over time. That with the doxy, zinc, vitamins. right up front and hospitalization would drop dramatically.

But the talking heads own the FDA and don't approve .........order you to take high dollar drugs.

The vaccines would have to be changed constantly with the new strains coming out to stop the next wave..............and then the virus will just mutate around that one too.

We are playing WACK A MOLE and losing.