Why Are Republicans So Relentlessly Cruel to the Poor?

[Asclepias]

"People who are physically and mentally capable of holding down a job should be. There is nothing cruel about that."

How do you determine that since you arent an expert in mental health or physical health?

Same way do. Pull it out of thin air.

Speak english so everyone understands you.

 

[TomParks]

Americans are spoiled period.....Sam Kinison was right years ago...you can eat better out of a McDonalds dumpster in America than foreign countries.

 

[JoeNormal]

I'm not rich and I'm a Republican, I'm 65 and live on widows benefits and do okay.

I even did some volunteer work at the local hospital.

Republicans aren't any different when it comes to the poor than the democrats....they're just more careful with what programs they support when helping the poor....and the best way is to have them help themselves eventually not be on welfare forever.

Like I said, I'm not rich but have never been on welfare and I've also never worried about my widows benefits or Medicare being taken away by a republican...that's not going to happen in my lifetime.

It may happen to the younger generation and it could come from either side, so I'd have a plan B if I was just starting out in life.

Isn't that nice for you. I hope I can retire before the Republicans completely gut the system that I've been paying into all my working life.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why Are Republicans So Relentlessly Cruel to the Poor?

Interesting article and much of it chimes with what we see in the UK.

It has to be coated with a thin veneer of religion to make it acceptable but in essence right wing politics is based on a selfish me me me doctrine. DISCUSS

You know what happens when you feed, clothe, and house the poor?

They make more poor.

Why is that a problem? Are you saying that poor people shouldnt have kids?

I've been saying that for years.

 

[PredFan]

Why Are Republicans So Relentlessly Cruel to the Poor?

Interesting article and much of it chimes with what we see in the UK.

It has to be coated with a thin veneer of religion to make it acceptable but in essence right wing politics is based on a selfish me me me doctrine. DISCUSS

You know what happens when you feed, clothe, and house the poor?

They make more poor.

Why is that a problem? Are you saying that poor people shouldnt have kids?

No one should have kids they can't afford.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why Are Republicans So Relentlessly Cruel to the Poor?

Interesting article and much of it chimes with what we see in the UK.

It has to be coated with a thin veneer of religion to make it acceptable but in essence right wing politics is based on a selfish me me me doctrine. DISCUSS

You know what happens when you feed, clothe, and house the poor?

They make more poor.

Why is that a problem? Are you saying that poor people shouldnt have kids?

No one should have kids they can't afford.

Is that a pro choice argument ?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

far from that. again, the illegal immigrants are the ones that keep middle class salaries down. if they weren't here, the companies would be forced to pay more. you still don't understand.

Illegal immigrants dont keep middle class wages down you dummy. They work at jobs middle class people wouldnt accept like picking fruit and cleaning toilets in hotels.

Why do you suppose Americans won't do those jobs? Perhaps it's because they don't pay enough. The reason they don't pay enough because eventually some foreigner will come along and take the job.

If you think foreigners only pick fruit and wash toilets, then you have another thing coming. They are in nearly every field of work in the USA. Trust me, I'm a truck driver, and they are flooding our industry. They are on the highway driving right next to your family mini-van in a 75,000 lbs truck and can't read a Fn word of English.

He specifically said illegal immigrants. The legal immigrants that come over here are trained for the high tech jobs most americans are clueless about. I saw it alot in my field.

This is true, but to me, they are one of the same because both groups bring the same negative effect to our native born citizens.

if there were no immigrants legal or illegal tomatoes would cost $20 each, you would need to be a millionaire to eat at a restaurant or stay at a hotel, the tech industry would collapse, etc etc.

Not even close. Prices may increase, but not by all that much. Plus we would be creating better paying American jobs instead of jobs specifically for foreigners legal and illegal alike.

I'm more than happy to pay more for my lettuce, tomatoes, or beans if I know it's giving some American a job. I don't go to hotels anymore, but if I had to, it's worth an extra five or ten bucks a night to stay in a room prepared by American workers.

 

[PredFan]

Why Are Republicans So Relentlessly Cruel to the Poor?

Interesting article and much of it chimes with what we see in the UK.

It has to be coated with a thin veneer of religion to make it acceptable but in essence right wing politics is based on a selfish me me me doctrine. DISCUSS

You know what happens when you feed, clothe, and house the poor?

They make more poor.

Why is that a problem? Are you saying that poor people shouldnt have kids?

No one should have kids they can't afford.

Is that a pro choice argument ?

Nope.

 

[Weatherman2020]

32 oz carrots, $1.84 at Walmart
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Fresh-1-Carrots-Peeled-Baby-Cut-32-Oz/10451316

So you now you think everyone should be a rabbit and eat carrots all the time huh? How many commercials do republicans finance advertising carrots?

What's a healthy diet to you then?

Apples?
5 lbs, $4.92
https://www.walmart.com/ip/New-York-Apple-Sales-Jonagold-Apples-5-lbs/49509907

Bananas?
35 cents a pound
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bananas-1-lb/44390948

Want to keep going?
Loaf of bread?

A healthy diet consists of protein, antioxidant rich foods, some healthy carbs, and adequate time to prepare it in a healthy manner. Bread is a shitty food.

List it out. I bet I can buy a weeks worth for less than $60, cheaper than fast food.

I dont have to. Read this and educate yourself.

http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/brief/why-poverty-leads-obesity-and-life-long-problems

Poor families have limited food budgets and choices, and must often stretch supplies toward the end of the month, before another check or allocation of Food Stamps arrives. This leads to unhealthy behaviors in several ways:

• Families choose high-fat foods dense with energy – foods such as sugars, cereals, potatoes and processed meat products – because these foods are more affordable and last longer than fresh vegetables and fruits and lean meats and fish.
  
  
• Poor families often live in disadvantaged neighborhoods where healthy foods are hard to find. Instead of large supermarkets, poor neighborhoods have a disproportionate number of fast food chains and small food stores providing cheap, high-fat foods.
  
  
• Economic insecurity – such as trouble paying bills or rent – leads to stress, and people often cope by eating high-fat, sugary foods.

Options for regular physical activity can also be restricted for poor people:

• Families cannot usually afford to pay for organized children’s activities outside of school – and schools in impoverished areas are less likely to run sports or physical activity programs than schools with more resources.
  
  
• Due to inflexible work schedules, lack of transportation, or unmet needs for child care, poor parents, especially single mothers, may find it hard to support extra activities for their children. Leaving kids in front of the TV is often all stressed poor parents can manage.
  
  
• In many poor neighborhoods, parks, playgrounds, trails, and free public gyms are often not available or safe. Neighborhoods may be crime-ridden, and there may be no nearby indoor places for play or exercise. Ironically, parental efforts to keep kids safe and indoors may increase encourage sedentary behaviors such as watching TV and playing video games.

So you can't make a list of a healthy diet?
I don't need your bullshit socialist study, let's work with hard facts.

List the grocery items and lets go shopping and see what a healthy diet costs versus fast food .

You won't because you know you're full of shit.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

"People who are physically and mentally capable of holding down a job should be. There is nothing cruel about that."

How do you determine that since you arent an expert in mental health or physical health?

When somebody applies for public assistance, they should be evaluated before getting any help; a physical just like some of us have to take to get a job, and a mental evaluation like some have to take to get into a police force or fire department.

Thats an option but you didnt answer my question. I asked how did you know?

It's pretty easy to tell, but I wouldn't be making that kind of decision either. I would let the experts tell the government if a person is reasonably capable of supporting themselves.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why Are Republicans So Relentlessly Cruel to the Poor?

Interesting article and much of it chimes with what we see in the UK.

It has to be coated with a thin veneer of religion to make it acceptable but in essence right wing politics is based on a selfish me me me doctrine. DISCUSS

You know what happens when you feed, clothe, and house the poor?

They make more poor.

Why is that a problem? Are you saying that poor people shouldnt have kids?

No one should have kids they can't afford.

Is that a pro choice argument ?

Nope.

Looks like it.

 

[Rambunctious]

Why Are Republicans So Relentlessly Cruel to the Poor?

Interesting article and much of it chimes with what we see in the UK.

It has to be coated with a thin veneer of religion to make it acceptable but in essence right wing politics is based on a selfish me me me doctrine. DISCUSS

Keeping poor folks locked in failing schools to support union school teachers and keeping poor folks in dangerous neighborhoods with no jobs and no hope addicted to a measly little government monthly hand out is cruel. I've seen the likes of Maxine Waters chase good jobs away from her inner city district because she wants her constituents to need her and vote for her. Walmart fought her for years to no prevail. She is just an example of what is representing our poor these days. That is cruel. Bringing back jobs and better schools public or private is not cruel, getting folks off the couch and back into a productive self supporting life is not cruel. Making it harder for folks to have access to and addiction to drugs is not cruel. What is cruel are phony do gooders that can't see when they are actually causing harm to others all so they can feel good about themselves. Living addicted to drugs and government welfare and wasting away in government housing that you can't even go out after dark is no way to live. Using those poor folks for votes, lying to them for votes.........That's cruel.

 

[Asclepias]

So you now you think everyone should be a rabbit and eat carrots all the time huh? How many commercials do republicans finance advertising carrots?

What's a healthy diet to you then?

Apples?
5 lbs, $4.92
https://www.walmart.com/ip/New-York-Apple-Sales-Jonagold-Apples-5-lbs/49509907

Bananas?
35 cents a pound
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bananas-1-lb/44390948

Want to keep going?
Loaf of bread?

A healthy diet consists of protein, antioxidant rich foods, some healthy carbs, and adequate time to prepare it in a healthy manner. Bread is a shitty food.

List it out. I bet I can buy a weeks worth for less than $60, cheaper than fast food.

I dont have to. Read this and educate yourself.

http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/brief/why-poverty-leads-obesity-and-life-long-problems

Poor families have limited food budgets and choices, and must often stretch supplies toward the end of the month, before another check or allocation of Food Stamps arrives. This leads to unhealthy behaviors in several ways:

• Families choose high-fat foods dense with energy – foods such as sugars, cereals, potatoes and processed meat products – because these foods are more affordable and last longer than fresh vegetables and fruits and lean meats and fish.
  
  
• Poor families often live in disadvantaged neighborhoods where healthy foods are hard to find. Instead of large supermarkets, poor neighborhoods have a disproportionate number of fast food chains and small food stores providing cheap, high-fat foods.
  
  
• Economic insecurity – such as trouble paying bills or rent – leads to stress, and people often cope by eating high-fat, sugary foods.

Options for regular physical activity can also be restricted for poor people:

• Families cannot usually afford to pay for organized children’s activities outside of school – and schools in impoverished areas are less likely to run sports or physical activity programs than schools with more resources.
  
  
• Due to inflexible work schedules, lack of transportation, or unmet needs for child care, poor parents, especially single mothers, may find it hard to support extra activities for their children. Leaving kids in front of the TV is often all stressed poor parents can manage.
  
  
• In many poor neighborhoods, parks, playgrounds, trails, and free public gyms are often not available or safe. Neighborhoods may be crime-ridden, and there may be no nearby indoor places for play or exercise. Ironically, parental efforts to keep kids safe and indoors may increase encourage sedentary behaviors such as watching TV and playing video games.

So you can't make a list of a healthy diet?
I don't need your bullshit socialist study, let's work with hard facts.

List the grocery items and lets go shopping and see what a healthy diet costs versus fast food .

You won't because you know you're full of shit.

I made a list. You want to play games so I sent you to educate yourself.

 

[PredFan]

You know what happens when you feed, clothe, and house the poor?

They make more poor.

Why is that a problem? Are you saying that poor people shouldnt have kids?

No one should have kids they can't afford.

Is that a pro choice argument ?

Nope.

Looks like it.

Did you forget what your OP is about?

 

[Asclepias]

Illegal immigrants dont keep middle class wages down you dummy. They work at jobs middle class people wouldnt accept like picking fruit and cleaning toilets in hotels.

Why do you suppose Americans won't do those jobs? Perhaps it's because they don't pay enough. The reason they don't pay enough because eventually some foreigner will come along and take the job.

If you think foreigners only pick fruit and wash toilets, then you have another thing coming. They are in nearly every field of work in the USA. Trust me, I'm a truck driver, and they are flooding our industry. They are on the highway driving right next to your family mini-van in a 75,000 lbs truck and can't read a Fn word of English.

He specifically said illegal immigrants. The legal immigrants that come over here are trained for the high tech jobs most americans are clueless about. I saw it alot in my field.

This is true, but to me, they are one of the same because both groups bring the same negative effect to our native born citizens.

if there were no immigrants legal or illegal tomatoes would cost $20 each, you would need to be a millionaire to eat at a restaurant or stay at a hotel, the tech industry would collapse, etc etc.

Not even close. Prices may increase, but not by all that much. Plus we would be creating better paying American jobs instead of jobs specifically for foreigners legal and illegal alike.

I'm more than happy to pay more for my lettuce, tomatoes, or beans if I know it's giving some American a job. I don't go to hotels anymore, but if I had to, it's worth an extra five or ten bucks a night to stay in a room prepared by American workers.

You keep forgetting the bottom line. Companies dont want to pay more salary unless they are owned by liberals who understand the effects. Thats why conservatives dont want the minimum wage to go up. This goes double for businesses that are publicly traded. Their sole goal in life is creating a profit for their share holders. Not employing americans.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why is that a problem? Are you saying that poor people shouldnt have kids?

No one should have kids they can't afford.

Is that a pro choice argument ?

Nope.

Looks like it.

Did you forget what your OP is about?

No, but there is a link between your statement and the OP. You make the statement, that I agree with, but right wing dogma is anti abortion and contradicts this. Like you are being punished for making a mistake. Punished out of all proportion.

 

[Asclepias]

"People who are physically and mentally capable of holding down a job should be. There is nothing cruel about that."

How do you determine that since you arent an expert in mental health or physical health?

When somebody applies for public assistance, they should be evaluated before getting any help; a physical just like some of us have to take to get a job, and a mental evaluation like some have to take to get into a police force or fire department.

Thats an option but you didnt answer my question. I asked how did you know?

It's pretty easy to tell, but I wouldn't be making that kind of decision either. I would let the experts tell the government if a person is reasonably capable of supporting themselves.

No its not easy to tell. Thats why doctors go to school so long to be able to find out if someone has mental or physical issues.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why do you suppose Americans won't do those jobs? Perhaps it's because they don't pay enough. The reason they don't pay enough because eventually some foreigner will come along and take the job.

If you think foreigners only pick fruit and wash toilets, then you have another thing coming. They are in nearly every field of work in the USA. Trust me, I'm a truck driver, and they are flooding our industry. They are on the highway driving right next to your family mini-van in a 75,000 lbs truck and can't read a Fn word of English.

He specifically said illegal immigrants. The legal immigrants that come over here are trained for the high tech jobs most americans are clueless about. I saw it alot in my field.

This is true, but to me, they are one of the same because both groups bring the same negative effect to our native born citizens.

if there were no immigrants legal or illegal tomatoes would cost $20 each, you would need to be a millionaire to eat at a restaurant or stay at a hotel, the tech industry would collapse, etc etc.

Not even close. Prices may increase, but not by all that much. Plus we would be creating better paying American jobs instead of jobs specifically for foreigners legal and illegal alike.

I'm more than happy to pay more for my lettuce, tomatoes, or beans if I know it's giving some American a job. I don't go to hotels anymore, but if I had to, it's worth an extra five or ten bucks a night to stay in a room prepared by American workers.

You keep forgetting the bottom line. Companies dont want to pay more salary unless they are owned by liberals who understand the effects. Thats why conservatives dont want the minimum wage to go up. This goes double for businesses that are publicly traded. Their sole goal in life is creating a profit for their share holders. Not employing americans.

I think this is a point that is lost on some. They rail against "globalisation" and yet are averse to asserting the right to a living wage. Its bizarre in the extreme.

 

[CeeCee]

I'm not rich and I'm a Republican, I'm 65 and live on widows benefits and do okay.

I even did some volunteer work at the local hospital.

Republicans aren't any different when it comes to the poor than the democrats....they're just more careful with what programs they support when helping the poor....and the best way is to have them help themselves eventually not be on welfare forever.

Like I said, I'm not rich but have never been on welfare and I've also never worried about my widows benefits or Medicare being taken away by a republican...that's not going to happen in my lifetime.

It may happen to the younger generation and it could come from either side, so I'd have a plan B if I was just starting out in life.

Isn't that nice for you. I hope I can retire before the Republicans completely gut the system that I've been paying into all my working life.

That's been said about Republicans ever since I can remember...it's not gutted yet.

I don't know how old you are but I'm not worried at 65.

 

[initforme]

The working poor and middle class are not liked in america. Never have been.