Why Are Republicans So Relentlessly Cruel to the Poor?

[Billo_Really]

Capitalism has brought 2 billion of the worlds population out of poverty. Communism has killed 100 million people in the past century alone.

Capitalism, maybe; totalitarian capitalism, no ******* way.

In the countries where socialism is rampant, Venezuela, Crete, Greece, Italy, Spain, Germany, and plenty of other unmentioned, standard of living has sharply decreased.

Some socialism is good for a country. The people in this one sure like SS and Medicare because it allows them a chance to maintain their standard of living.

In countries where capitalism has been a priority, we'll take Switzerland as an example... it is the oldest government in the world, been around 500 years, ours is largely based off of their government. They consistently rank in the top 3 of standard of living, overall happiness, safety, education, healthcare, etc. huh maybe they're are and have been doing something right all these years. And oh by the way, the invented and still practice the 2nd amendment, to the point your practically issued an assault rifle as a citizen. Kind of hard to argue with their track record isn't it?

Sorry, I'm not a gun guy. I could care less about the 2nd amendment.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sorry, but I don't have empathy for any terrorists. Those "poor" people could be wiped out in less than three days, but Israel is too compassionate in my opinion for them to do that. In spite of the attacks Israel has to suffer from those cave men, they give them jobs and allow them to earn money for their families.

You see, those poor people wouldn't be so poor if they were not criminals. But Arafat died a billionaire because all the money that was given to his people he kept for himself and banked that money. If I remember correctly, his wife moved to Europe and is living like a queen.

Palestinian's are not terrorists, they are the victims.

This is how you are not cruel to poor people, by expecting them to be thankful for not being wiped out in 3 days?

Wouldn't you be thankful? Your people are hopping on their busses, blowing themselves up along with innocents, and the race of people you attack do very little to you? You bet I would be thankful.

Victims don't raise their children to grow up and be suicide bombers.

 

[Billo_Really]

The Iraq Body Count project (IBC) figure of Documented civilian deaths from violence is 155,923 – 174,355 as of March 2016. This includes reported civilian deaths due to Coalition and insurgent military action, sectarian violence and increased criminal violence.[19] The IBC site states: "it should be noted that many deaths will probably go unreported or unrecorded by officials and media."[20] The IBC website currently states that, "Further analysis of the WikiLeaks' Iraq War Logs may add 12,000 civilian deaths."

Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia

What they did here is add every possible body count they could put in their figures whether it was directly related to the war or indirectly.

Wrong. IBC records about "half" the deaths in Iraq, according to one of their founders...

"IBC’s numbers do skew low, according to some scientists and the organization itself, which acknowledged in 2004 that “our own total is certain to be an underestimate of the true position.” “Probably we’re recording around half or more of civilian deaths” in Iraq"
- Hamit Dardagan, one of IBC’s founders​

BTW, don't you remember "this", from your Wikipedia link?

https://postimage.org/

 

[Billo_Really]

Wouldn't you be thankful? Your people are hopping on their busses, blowing themselves up along with innocents, and the race of people you attack do very little to you? You bet I would be thankful.

Victims don't raise their children to grow up and be suicide bombers.

It is pretty sick how you refuse to deal with what the Israeli's do to THEM.

 

[Billo_Really]

Palestinians are terrorists by any definition of the word, and while they are also victims, they are victims of their own leaderships.

No, they are not terrorists. Some of the methods a few of them use, are war crimes, but terrorism, no. They have every legal right in the world to resist the occupation of their land from a foreign force.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Palestinians are terrorists by any definition of the word, and while they are also victims, they are victims of their own leaderships.

No, they are not terrorists. Some of the methods a few of them use, are war crimes, but terrorism, no. They have every legal right in the world to resist the occupation of their land from a foreign force.

No matter how many times people repeat the phrase, "resist the occupation" it remains a brain dead stupid thing to say. First, there is no occupation. 95% of the Palestinians live under the jurisdiction of either the PA or Hamas, which both have their own laws, foreign relations, etc., which operate as separate countries, and they would be fully sovereign nations if their leaderships had not said, no, to every offer that would have left Israel intact as the homeland of the Jewish people. So there is no occupation and if they are victims, they are clearly victims of their own leaders.

What you call resistance in every country in the world is called terrorism. Everyone has grievances, but when you target people because of their race or ethnicity because of those grievances, you are a terrorist. While it is true that only a small number of Palestinians commit these acts of terrorism, poll after poll show that the vast majority of Palestinians support these acts of terrorism, just as you apparently do.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wrong. IBC records about "half" the deaths in Iraq, according to one of their founders...

"IBC’s numbers do skew low, according to some scientists and the organization itself, which acknowledged in 2004 that “our own total is certain to be an underestimate of the true position.” “Probably we’re recording around half or more of civilian deaths” in Iraq"
- Hamit Dardagan, one of IBC’s founders

Okay genius. Now get out a calculator and multiply by 2. What did you come up with?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wouldn't you be thankful? Your people are hopping on their busses, blowing themselves up along with innocents, and the race of people you attack do very little to you? You bet I would be thankful.

Victims don't raise their children to grow up and be suicide bombers.

It is pretty sick how you refuse to deal with what the Israeli's do to THEM.

Tell me about it. What did Israel do to the Palestinians that wasn't in response to an attack on them?

 

[Papageorgio]

The planning for 911 started a lot earlier than 2001, which was a Democrat President, add to that Clinton did a lot of bombing of poor during his administration. So I think you are full of it on this point, but nice try.

Actually, regime change in Iraq started with the PNAC letters to Clinton. And just who were members of the PNAC?

You said it was the bombings of the poor, Clinton was among those that bombed the poor. He shellacked Iraq and we Bosnia both on Clinton's watch. We bombed Libya under Obama's watch. It isn't just Republican or Democrat, it's both. JFK and LBJ, Nixon, Reagan, Bush all did their share of bombings, spare me the partisan BS.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No, I didn't. I said I thought HE thought that.

Except he didn't say that, you did.

Again, perhaps you should either man the **** up or not mention her.

Man up about what? Maybe you should stop commenting on her? I mentioned her once, as an after-thought. Then you fuckers started trashing her and kept saying shit about her. You think I'm going to let that shit go? Stop talking about her and I won't have to say anything.

Man up about your incessant sniveling and blustering. You're NOT going to be correct on this or any other subject, and you're NOT going to convince anyone to give a tin shit about your outraged hurt feelings. Indeed, most of us get a warm fuzzy at the knowledge that you are red-faced and frothing at the mouth.

And by the way, allow me to suggest some sort of remedial English course, because your inability to comprehend the simplest of sentences makes you even less worthy of attention than . . . you know, being you in general does.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Here's your typical repub

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No, HERE'S the typical repub: "pwjohn WHO?!"

 

[Billo_Really]

No matter how many times people repeat the phrase, "resist the occupation" it remains a brain dead stupid thing to say.

Why? Because might makes right?

First, there is no occupation.

Now that's a stupid thing to say.

95% of the Palestinians live under the jurisdiction of either the PA or Hamas, which both have their own laws, foreign relations, etc., which operate as separate countries,

If they operate as separate countries, then why can't the people there leave?

and they would be fully sovereign nations if their leaderships had not said, no, to every offer that would have left Israel intact as the homeland of the Jewish people.

You got that ass-backwards. Not only did Netanfuckyou say no to a two-state solution, the Israeli's have broken every ceasefire they made.

So there is no occupation

No, there is an occupation and there has been one since 1967 and you fuckers ain't changing the status now.

and if they are victims, they are clearly victims of their own leaders.

They are all victims of state-sponsored, Israeli terrorism.

What you call resistance in every country in the world is called terrorism.

Are you calling the right to self defense, terrorism?

Everyone has grievances, but when you target people because of their race or ethnicity because of those grievances, you are a terrorist.

People are not being targeted because of their race or ethnicity. In fact, no one is being targeted. Palestinian's can't target anyone. Their rockets have no guidance systems. That's why using them is a war crime. They're indiscriminate weapons.

While it is true that only a small number of Palestinians commit these acts of terrorism, poll after poll show that the vast majority of Palestinians support these acts of terrorism, just as you apparently do.

Defending yourselves from foreign invaders, is not terrorism. Israel deliberately bombing hospitals and civilian infrastructure, is terrorism.

 

[Billo_Really]

Tell me about it. What did Israel do to the Palestinians that wasn't in response to an attack on them?

They bomb their hospitals; shoot at their fishermen and farmers; there isn't a week that goes by without some Israeli drone strike or missile strike; in 2008 there was a ceasefire that lasted 4 months until the Israeli's launched a commando raid in to Gaza to kill some Hamas members...

...the list just goes on and on. And **** you for deliberately turning a blind eye to this.

 

[Billo_Really]

You said it was the bombings of the poor, Clinton was among those that bombed the poor. He shellacked Iraq and we Bosnia both on Clinton's watch. We bombed Libya under Obama's watch. It isn't just Republican or Democrat, it's both. JFK and LBJ, Nixon, Reagan, Bush all did their share of bombings, spare me the partisan BS.

Stop moving the ******* goalposts! You brought up regime change in Iraq, but started the clock at the wrong time. Then as soon as I corrected you, you change the subject.

BTW, I was against all those other bombings as well, so you can save your little partisan mantra for someone else.

 

[Billo_Really]

Man up about your incessant sniveling and blustering. You're NOT going to be correct on this or any other subject,

How the **** would you know?

and you're NOT going to convince anyone to give a tin shit about your outraged hurt feelings.

First, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, you little ****; second, my feelings are not outraged or hurt, I just don't back down to dishrag whores like you.

Indeed, most of us get a warm fuzzy at the knowledge that you are red-faced and frothing at the mouth.

I'm far from that. I enjoy getting in your little troll face. It's my Disneyland.

And by the way, allow me to suggest some sort of remedial English course, because your inability to comprehend the simplest of sentences makes you even less worthy of attention than . . . you know, being you in general does.

More troll speech from the little *****-troll.

Hopefully, God didn't give you eggs that work.

 

[sakinago]

So the morals of the majority should be indoctrinated into the children of the minority? You don't see how that's a problem?

Parents are the biggest shaper of their children, and should be completely responsible for it, not schools. Especially since A. No one loves their own children more than parents B. A school cannot give sufficient means of shaping their students, since they are not capable of giving the required time, patience, resources, to every single students individual needs.

Schools should be working with parents as parents take the lead in raising their children. Schools should definitely not be in the business of indoctrination. Only business in teaching our youth is how to learn, not what to learn, and doing so along with parents, not against them.

Not really, no. It already happens, it's called being a part of society.

Parents are the biggest shaper of their own children, and many of them aren't shaping their kids into respectable members of society.

We make laws, we demand that people abide by these rules. You don't see how that's a problem?
Perhaps schools should be working with parents to help shape their kids. Problem is that being a parent doesn't come with many must dos, one of those is getting them an education, and often it's left to teachers to try and shape those kids into decent human beings because their parents won't.

Now, if their parents won't, chances are when they become parents they won't either, do you see the problem here?

And BC some aren't good parents, schools should replace all parents roles? I can't stand this argument, because of one bad apple government has to fix the entire bunch. Do you really want trump in charge of indoctrinating you're children? Let's say trump somehow ends presidential term limits and becomes a 4 term president...that doesn't sound like a nightmare for America? We need to take away this power that is already being abused by our schools, who think they know better than all parents. We want kids who are objective free thinkers, not the Hitler youth. To stop hitler youth and other forms, we need to decentralize. It's only in a centralized infrastructure we get widespread indoctrination.

No, I don't want "indoctrination". I want education to be intelligent and politics to keep away from education.

The problem is the education system led to Trump. This whole "let kids be ignorant, otherwise it's indoctrination" is what is leading the US to pick leaders who shouldn't be leaders.

Uh-huh and the right would say the exact thing. With probably more evidence than you.

The real reason it's so easy to get A's in college

Is this not a worrying trend to you? That our "higher educational" systems aren't actually educating, just herding kids through.

I believe kids should be taught how to think, not what to think. I think there should be a wide range of teaching techniques presented, as well as a wide range of ideas presented. Centralizing education directly endangers this, and is put even more at risk when Demagogues from the right or left are elected. We need to teach critical thinking, the common logical fallacies, and self reliance. Not reliance on teachers.

No doubt they could, and I see it all the time. Evidence wise I haven't really even started, I'm having internet problems big time, when it takes 10 minutes to open some websites, well... you just ain't getting much.

Yes, it's worrying that education systems aren't doing their job. I've seen educators who could, if given the chance, turn education into something special. The problem is in the US especially, there is a massive campaign against education, from both sides using education as a political football, and that's sad.

I agree, kids should be thought how to think for themselves. I've also see this done with history. Seeing 11 year old kids looking at evidence, then making their own decisions about this. This was not in the US though. But it happens. The US just won't allow it to happen.

I can agree with you there. I don't think what you're advocating for is out of any stupid or I'll will intentions. I just think it's dangerous to put the state in charge of our children's morals. I think where we disagree is that fact, and I know it's the slippery slope argument, but the truth is the slippery slope is something to worry about. After all, the NAZIs did happen, the German people were just like you and me at the time, not savages, just people who went through hard times and called upon authority to fix it for them. And what we've learned from the milgram experiments is that 75% of us will shock someone who we know has a heart condition to death, just because an authority figure tells us it's ok. These were adults in this experiments, what we're talking about is children, who by nature learn from authority figures. This is why we need to keep whoevers in power in government out of educating our children. We do that best by decentralizing education.

 

[Markle]

I drink regular domestic beer when I go out for karaoke or something. Otherwise, I only drink beer when I'm somewhere that has a really great specialty beer that I like, such as Founder's Rubaeus or Four Peaks Peach Ale.

Never heard of it but then I'm not much of a beer drinker. Even as a youth I didn't care for it but, if I did drink anything, it was a good dark beer with a meal.

 

[Markle]

Your own link shows over 1 million dead.

That, as you know is a lie as well.

 

[Markle]

Those are not WMD's.

Really? Since when?

 

[Markle]

They don't want to talk about how cruel they are to the poor.

How is making the poor slaves to big government compassionate?

Interesting how Progressives accuse others of being racists, bigots, hate-mongers and, in this case, cruel.

At the same time, it is THEY who pride themselves on separating all minorities into carefully constructed pigeon holes. They then proceed to promulgate a plan to pander to each group and offer them enticements and handouts tailored to them specifically. Be they increases in entitlements, affirmative action, higher quotas, lowering of standards or any number of benefits.

In this way, they create a dependency among their chosen minorities on themselves, who they themselves perceive as the ELITES. The ELITES view themselves as being so superior that it is their responsibility in life to make decisions for those they consider inferior to themselves. In this way, they convince these pigeon-holed minorities that without them, they could not exist, that they are incapable of being responsible for themselves and must depend entirely on the benevolent Democrats.

This is simply replacing the old Southern Plantation Slave Master with GOVERNMENT and the Slaves with any minority group. In this way, they are also able to continue to reward bad behavior and punish any good behavior. Liberals tell themselves that their INTENTIONS ARE GOOD, but the results are insulting, immoral and shameful.