Why are people against legalizing marijuana?

[EvilCat Breath]

Me driving around high isn't the same thing as me driving around drunk.

That is just incredibly ignorant and dangerous.

Saying these things do not hinder your driving ability, is amazing!

• Altered senses
• Dizziness, tiredness, fatigue
• Reduced coordination and balance
• Cognitive impairment (read: marijuana psychological effects)
• Anxiety, panic, paranoia
• Hallucinations
• Mood alterations
• Altered blood pressure, dizziness
• Increased heart rate
• Flushing

Funny I never hallucinated when using weed

And all the rest of that list are also symptoms of sleep deprivation



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And sure, I guess if I were being tested I would prefer to not be stoned but I'm an old time smoker I don't get STONED like I used to. So me driving on pot is no biggy. I'm not dizzy or tired. No panic or anxiety. No increased heart rate.

These are all things that happen to a rookie. I'm no rookie.

Does it raise or lower my blood pressure? So does a cup of coffee.

Would I want my nephew who's 17 to smoke a joint and drive? No. I'll give him that. But me? No problem.

You could say the same thing about a drinker

But I firmly believe we have to set a threshold for impairment

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Yea. If I can't pass the sobriety test the cop gives me, lock me up. But I'm telling you I can do everything the officer asks me to do.

No, me being high is not the same as a drunk being intoxicated. Often times I wonder why I even bother smoking. I hardly get high anymore. But I have really good stuff and it relaxes me. Better to smoke a j at night than get drunk.

I know most people should probably not smoke and drive but I'm the exception and I'm sure a lot of veterans of weed would agree.

Do cigarettes mellow you out and change your response time and raise your blood pressure? Then maybe it should be illegal to smoke a cig and drive.

No cigarettes do not change response time. No one ever died because the one for the road was a Marlboro.

 

[sealybobo]

That is just incredibly ignorant and dangerous.

Saying these things do not hinder your driving ability, is amazing!

• Altered senses
• Dizziness, tiredness, fatigue
• Reduced coordination and balance
• Cognitive impairment (read: marijuana psychological effects)
• Anxiety, panic, paranoia
• Hallucinations
• Mood alterations
• Altered blood pressure, dizziness
• Increased heart rate
• Flushing

Funny I never hallucinated when using weed

And all the rest of that list are also symptoms of sleep deprivation



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And sure, I guess if I were being tested I would prefer to not be stoned but I'm an old time smoker I don't get STONED like I used to. So me driving on pot is no biggy. I'm not dizzy or tired. No panic or anxiety. No increased heart rate.

These are all things that happen to a rookie. I'm no rookie.

Does it raise or lower my blood pressure? So does a cup of coffee.

Would I want my nephew who's 17 to smoke a joint and drive? No. I'll give him that. But me? No problem.

You could say the same thing about a drinker

But I firmly believe we have to set a threshold for impairment

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Yea. If I can't pass the sobriety test the cop gives me, lock me up. But I'm telling you I can do everything the officer asks me to do.

No, me being high is not the same as a drunk being intoxicated. Often times I wonder why I even bother smoking. I hardly get high anymore. But I have really good stuff and it relaxes me. Better to smoke a j at night than get drunk.

I know most people should probably not smoke and drive but I'm the exception and I'm sure a lot of veterans of weed would agree.

Do cigarettes mellow you out and change your response time and raise your blood pressure? Then maybe it should be illegal to smoke a cig and drive.

No cigarettes do not change response time. No one ever died because the one for the road was a Marlboro.

They must

Nicotine creates an immediate sense of relaxation so people smoke in the belief that it reduces stress and anxiety. This feeling of relaxation is temporary and soon gives way to withdrawal symptoms and increased cravings.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Funny I never hallucinated when using weed

And all the rest of that list are also symptoms of sleep deprivation



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And sure, I guess if I were being tested I would prefer to not be stoned but I'm an old time smoker I don't get STONED like I used to. So me driving on pot is no biggy. I'm not dizzy or tired. No panic or anxiety. No increased heart rate.

These are all things that happen to a rookie. I'm no rookie.

Does it raise or lower my blood pressure? So does a cup of coffee.

Would I want my nephew who's 17 to smoke a joint and drive? No. I'll give him that. But me? No problem.

You could say the same thing about a drinker

But I firmly believe we have to set a threshold for impairment

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Yea. If I can't pass the sobriety test the cop gives me, lock me up. But I'm telling you I can do everything the officer asks me to do.

No, me being high is not the same as a drunk being intoxicated. Often times I wonder why I even bother smoking. I hardly get high anymore. But I have really good stuff and it relaxes me. Better to smoke a j at night than get drunk.

I know most people should probably not smoke and drive but I'm the exception and I'm sure a lot of veterans of weed would agree.

Do cigarettes mellow you out and change your response time and raise your blood pressure? Then maybe it should be illegal to smoke a cig and drive.

No cigarettes do not change response time. No one ever died because the one for the road was a Marlboro.

They must

Nicotine creates an immediate sense of relaxation so people smoke in the belief that it reduces stress and anxiety. This feeling of relaxation is temporary and soon gives way to withdrawal symptoms and increased cravings.

And none of it impairs the ability to do anything. That's why there is no dui charge for driving under the influence of nicotine.

 

[Blues Man]

Drug addiction is more like pollution. What difference does it make if some factory dumps a couple of gallons of gunk in the river? It doesn't really hurt anyone if some junkie throws his needle away or craps on the sidewalk. Except that we know its not one factory and a couple of gallons. It's not one junkie and a needle. How do you decide who will have that license to pollute or use drugs.

If you want to confine drug users to homes or wherever they are warehoused you have a better point. Just keep them from getting out.

Once again you are presenting flawed comparisons

There is no analogy between a person who occasionally uses Marijuana and a junkie

You obviously think that even an occasional drinker is the same as a junkie

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A person that uses marijuana does so with the intent of getting high or a buzz. They are a junkie. A person who drinks with the intent of getting drunk is an alcoholic. Many people have an occasional drink without getting drunk.

You are wrong of course.

There is a very big difference between a person who is physically addicted to a substance and a person who uses a substance occasionally for enjoyment.

But you have no ability to think in anything other than stark absolute terms so I really don't expect you to understand the idea that all human behaviors exist on a continuum.

 

[sealybobo]

And sure, I guess if I were being tested I would prefer to not be stoned but I'm an old time smoker I don't get STONED like I used to. So me driving on pot is no biggy. I'm not dizzy or tired. No panic or anxiety. No increased heart rate.

These are all things that happen to a rookie. I'm no rookie.

Does it raise or lower my blood pressure? So does a cup of coffee.

Would I want my nephew who's 17 to smoke a joint and drive? No. I'll give him that. But me? No problem.

You could say the same thing about a drinker

But I firmly believe we have to set a threshold for impairment

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Yea. If I can't pass the sobriety test the cop gives me, lock me up. But I'm telling you I can do everything the officer asks me to do.

No, me being high is not the same as a drunk being intoxicated. Often times I wonder why I even bother smoking. I hardly get high anymore. But I have really good stuff and it relaxes me. Better to smoke a j at night than get drunk.

I know most people should probably not smoke and drive but I'm the exception and I'm sure a lot of veterans of weed would agree.

Do cigarettes mellow you out and change your response time and raise your blood pressure? Then maybe it should be illegal to smoke a cig and drive.

No cigarettes do not change response time. No one ever died because the one for the road was a Marlboro.

They must

Nicotine creates an immediate sense of relaxation so people smoke in the belief that it reduces stress and anxiety. This feeling of relaxation is temporary and soon gives way to withdrawal symptoms and increased cravings.

And none of it impairs the ability to do anything. That's why there is no dui charge for driving under the influence of nicotine.

Well people drive on medication all the time. Apparently they aren't so messed up they can't drive. Are they a little slower in their reaction time? Sure. But not enough to warrant a DUI.

No breathalizer to test how much medication is in your system.

If they test me for pot the joint I smoked 3 days ago will show up on the test.

 

[Harry Dresden]

That’s quite the point... Isn’t it..?

Me driving around high isn't the same thing as me driving around drunk. I've been smoking for a long time. All smoking does is relax me. I doubt you could tell I was high if you gave me a sobriety test.

Now, am I a LITTLE BIT slower when I'm high? I'm sure I am. But it would be impossible to tell if I got high 5 hours ago or 5 minutes ago. And then you would just jam up the courts with people who are not criminals, all they did was get high.

None of the bad shit the right said would happen in Michigan is happening. Crime isn't going up. Car crashes aren't increasing because of pot.

In fact, not one Republican in the Michigan legislature is continuing to fight pot. But before it was legal, they made all these bad arguments and sorry but pot won. Something like 70% of voters said make it legal.

So anyone who is against pot is in the weee minority.

What’s Greener in Michigan’s Marijuana Industry — The Bud or the Money?

What's Greener in Michigan's Marijuana Industry -- The Bud or the Money?

The state recorded $2.6 million in recreational marijuana sales between Jan. 13 and Jan. 19, the highest weekly total since the first recreational stores opened Dec. 1.

As of Jan. 19, recreational marijuana retailers have made $12.7 million in sales, which represents $2.1 million in combined sales and excise taxes to the state.

A total of $31.9 million in marijuana sales --$24.9 million in medical and $7 million in recreational -- were logged in December.

Medical marijuana dispensaries sold $219 million worth of marijuana and marijuana products, including 33,646 pounds of flower from 58,620 harvested plants, during fiscal year 2019, which ran from Oct. 1. 2018 to Sept. 30, 2019.

The pace of sales is on the rise. Quarterly medical marijuana sales during the first quarter of 2019 were $17.6 million, compared to $91.8 million in sales during the final quarter.

The bulk of all sales during the fiscal year came from Marijuana flower, $106.1 million, nearly 48% of all sales, and concentrates, which include vaping products, representing $87.7 million or 40% of total sales.

The price of marijuana flower increased nearly 33% over the fiscal year, jumping from an average of $174.15 per ounce through the first two quarters to $232.18 per ounce in quarter four. The prices continue to climb with new supply and demand from the recreational market.

The average price per ounce of marijuana flower in the month of December was $306.21 for medical and $507.30 per ounce for recreational marijuana.

the pot overpriced were you are at bobo....

I was getting lbs for $1600. Now it’s over $2000. I’m getting $1800 price. So before I was doubling my money. Now I’m doubling my money except for the $200. So I was making $1600 per pound before now I’m making $1400. I’ll be ok. Just sucks paying more but better than everyone getting it cheaper at the dispensary. My shit is still cheaper and better

and illegal right?...

Well you aren't supposed to sell it. You can gift it to someone but you can't sell it. Same with *****. So I guess that's "illegal". And I'm not paying taxes. You know that's illegal.

so are you saying you give pot away as gifts?.....like i will believe that...

 

[Rye Catcher]

The power to tax, is the power to destroy. CA has legalized MJ for recreation, and yet the costs to buy a weed are enormous. Some of us, like me, used MJ socially while in College. Then we married, had kids and in my case worked in LE, and left MJ behind for decades.

After retirement my niece's husband gave us a MJ Cookie for Xmas. I learned one thing very fast, that high in college was manageable, my wife and I kept looking at each other as the high seemed to grow and grow. In college I usually ended up at Doggie Diner, couple of big dogs and then to bed. With the MJ Cookie I couldn't even go to the kitchen, we both agreed we didn't enjoy a euphoric experience; we kept wondering when it would wear off.

I don't like edibles for that very reason.

I don't like inhaling smoke of any kind.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Drug addiction is more like pollution. What difference does it make if some factory dumps a couple of gallons of gunk in the river? It doesn't really hurt anyone if some junkie throws his needle away or craps on the sidewalk. Except that we know its not one factory and a couple of gallons. It's not one junkie and a needle. How do you decide who will have that license to pollute or use drugs.

If you want to confine drug users to homes or wherever they are warehoused you have a better point. Just keep them from getting out.

Once again you are presenting flawed comparisons

There is no analogy between a person who occasionally uses Marijuana and a junkie

You obviously think that even an occasional drinker is the same as a junkie

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A person that uses marijuana does so with the intent of getting high or a buzz. They are a junkie. A person who drinks with the intent of getting drunk is an alcoholic. Many people have an occasional drink without getting drunk.

You are wrong of course.

There is a very big difference between a person who is physically addicted to a substance and a person who uses a substance occasionally for enjoyment.

But you have no ability to think in anything other than stark absolute terms so I really don't expect you to understand the idea that all human behaviors exist on a continuum.

Do you use marijuana for the feeling that it gives you? Do you take it to get that feeling? You are an addict.

That's why 12 step programs require that the first thing is to admit the addiction. The denial is part of the addiction. There are many harmless addictions that cause no impairment of any kind. Cigarettes, chocolate, food. It might kill you but you can function.

Many people are against marijuana use because they are victims or know victims of marijuana addicts. I've watched it for years. I saw my great granddaughter get her legs crushed because of her mother's pot use. Addicts relax. They forget. They become negligent like the woman who put the baby on top of the car and drove off. Their judgment is poor. Like my granddaughter in law who wanders off and leaves the gas on in the stove or makes a munchie run leaving the scented candles burning. Pot addicts are dangerous and they need to be watched.

 

[Blues Man]

The power to tax, is the power to destroy. CA has legalized MJ for recreation, and yet the costs to buy a weed are enormous. Some of us, like me, used MJ socially while in College. Then we married, had kids and in my case worked in LE, and left MJ behind for decades.

After retirement my niece's husband gave us a MJ Cookie for Xmas. I learned one thing very fast, that high in college was manageable, my wife and I kept looking at each other as the high seemed to grow and grow. In college I usually ended up at Doggie Diner, couple of big dogs and then to bed. With the MJ Cookie I couldn't even go to the kitchen, we both agreed we didn't enjoy a euphoric experience; we kept wondering when it would wear off.

I don't like edibles for that very reason.

I don't like inhaling smoke of any kind.

I use a dry vape pen that doesn't heat the weed to the point of combustion

It works with hash too but I usually enjoy hash using the old fashioned pin under a glass method

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Him vaping pot is what is killing people. Good luck.

 

[Blues Man]

Drug addiction is more like pollution. What difference does it make if some factory dumps a couple of gallons of gunk in the river? It doesn't really hurt anyone if some junkie throws his needle away or craps on the sidewalk. Except that we know its not one factory and a couple of gallons. It's not one junkie and a needle. How do you decide who will have that license to pollute or use drugs.

If you want to confine drug users to homes or wherever they are warehoused you have a better point. Just keep them from getting out.

Once again you are presenting flawed comparisons

There is no analogy between a person who occasionally uses Marijuana and a junkie

You obviously think that even an occasional drinker is the same as a junkie

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A person that uses marijuana does so with the intent of getting high or a buzz. They are a junkie. A person who drinks with the intent of getting drunk is an alcoholic. Many people have an occasional drink without getting drunk.

You are wrong of course.

There is a very big difference between a person who is physically addicted to a substance and a person who uses a substance occasionally for enjoyment.

But you have no ability to think in anything other than stark absolute terms so I really don't expect you to understand the idea that all human behaviors exist on a continuum.

Do you use marijuana for the feeling that it gives you? Do you take it to get that feeling? You are an addict.

That's why 12 step programs require that the first thing is to admit the addiction. The denial is part of the addiction. There are many harmless addictions that cause no impairment of any kind. Cigarettes, chocolate, food. It might kill you but you can function.

Many people are against marijuana use because they are victims or know victims of marijuana addicts. I've watched it for years. I saw my great granddaughter get her legs crushed because of her mother's pot use. Addicts relax. They forget. They become negligent like the woman who put the baby on top of the car and drove off. Their judgment is poor. Like my granddaughter in law who wanders off and leaves the gas on in the stove or makes a munchie run leaving the scented candles burning. Pot addicts are dangerous and they need to be watched.

You need to look up the definition of addiction.

Addiction has a component of physical dependency so if you stop using the substance you have withdrawal symptoms which can be deadly in the case of alcohol addiction.

So tell me do you have sex because it makes you feel good ? If you do then you must be a sex addict.

Now do you see how extreme and quite frankly wrong your definition of addiction is?

 

[Rye Catcher]

So what?

everything you listed can be applied to other legal drugs.

And people buy shit everyday that produces no value.

If a person wants to indulge in recreational drug use it is his choice and you have absolutely no right to tell him otherwise.

If a persons. pot use, alcohol use, cigarette use etc etc affects his job that's between him and his employer and not your concern.

Does the fact that one action is bad, mean that other bad actions, are ok?

I mean generally I would agree with you, but at some point you are wrecking society.

Now if we had an entirely capitalist system, meaning no Social Security, no Medicare, no food stamps, no public housing, no welfare... under that system, where if you fail to save for retirement, then you work until you die.... when you fail pay for health insurance, then you sell your house to pay medical bills..... when you fail buy your own food you starve... when you fail to pay for your own housing, you end up homeless....

If we had that kind of system, then I would entirely agree with you.

Because an individuals choices, have no effect on the rest of society.

But as long as you have all those welfare benefits, then you must have controls on how people live, because if you are taking my tax money, then I don't want you smoking pot. If you are going to live off the government, then drugs need to be illegal.

Why should I be forced to take care of your child, because you are pot head? Why should I take care of you in retirement, because you smoked all your retirement away, getting high?

And again, you are right, that you could say the same thing for Alcohol and Tobacco.... I agree. We should have the same rules for all of them. But since I can't ban alcohol and tobacco, doesn't mean that we should allow more bad behavior.

The alternative is, we eliminate all government programs completely, and you can do whatever you want.

I have no obligation to "society".


Drinking or using weed occasionally is not "bad " behavior.

As long as I am not endangering anyone else what I do is not anyone's business.

So as far as society is concerned , we have laws that address public intoxication, driving while impaired etc. So those people who do put others in danger will be punished.

And I never once mentioned abolishing any law or government program that is designed to protect people from those who would be a danger to them.

But telling me I can't use a little hash for enjoyment on occasion because someone else might not be able to control himself is ridiculous

If you take Social Security, Medicare, or any other form of benefit from the government.... then flat out, you are wrong. If tax payers like me, are paying for ANYTHING for you... then yes you do have an obligation to society.

And yes, it is bad behavior.... *IF*... we have to pay for you.

Again, you save for your own retirement, and not take any tax money.... you pay for your own health care, and not take any tax money.... and pay for your own food, and your own house, and your own everything.....

Then I agree. If you are being completely responsible, then you can do anything you want.

The problem is, even if *YOU* specifically are being responsible, the flat out truth is, many people are not. I know they are not, because they have openly told me as much.

Now if you want to institute a system where we have an exclusion list, where if you are caught on drugs or drinking, then you forfeit all government benefits for life....

Ok, then you can do what you want.

Short of having that system, then we need to either eliminate all government benefits, or we need to ban bad behavior.

One or the other. It is evil to have hard working people, who live responsibly, paying for those who choose not to. And as long as this system exists, then I'll be fighting and voting for anyone anywhere that will either prevent bad behavior, or prevent me from paying for that bad behavior.

One or the other.... can't have both.

I take nothing from the government.

And don't forget the money I will get from Social Security after the age of 67 is money that I had taken from me in the form of taxes.

And FYI I would love to get rid of the Social Security scam.

Just like all the rest of us are paying tax. Social Security is money paid in income tax, just like any other income tax. And social security benefits, are benefits like any other benefit.

So generally... we agree. I want to get rid of it too. Actually, I would like to privatize it.
If we privatized it, so the money went into your own account, in your own assets.... then I wouldn't care what you did, because you would only be taking your own money.

Not every working person has he ability to invest for their retirement. The small amount taken in payroll taxes would never cover the needs of those who retire and live many more years.

If you look over census data for the years before FDR, you will see many unrelated persons living at the same address. Those were the poor houses all over the country, those whose breadwinner died even before retirement, and those who live paycheck to paycheck and could never save a dime.

The consequences of taking away SS are too dier. Many American workers today are living paycheck to paycheck, its been reported an average of 78% workers do so, and cannot put enough money into a Medical or Retirement savings account.

The government shutdown spotlights a bigger issue: 78% of US workers live paycheck to paycheck

 

[Blues Man]

Him vaping pot is what is killing people. Good luck.

Once again your ignorance is on full display

I use a dry vape pen that does not use any liquid cartridges that were causing the problems you read about.

Basically all it is is a portable ceramic oven that heats the actual dried herbs gently. The active chemicals boil off at a much lower temperature than is required for combustion. This way I have a much cleaner and cooler hit.

We'll just add this to the list of shit you know nothing about

 

[Blues Man]

Does the fact that one action is bad, mean that other bad actions, are ok?

I mean generally I would agree with you, but at some point you are wrecking society.

Now if we had an entirely capitalist system, meaning no Social Security, no Medicare, no food stamps, no public housing, no welfare... under that system, where if you fail to save for retirement, then you work until you die.... when you fail pay for health insurance, then you sell your house to pay medical bills..... when you fail buy your own food you starve... when you fail to pay for your own housing, you end up homeless....

If we had that kind of system, then I would entirely agree with you.

Because an individuals choices, have no effect on the rest of society.

But as long as you have all those welfare benefits, then you must have controls on how people live, because if you are taking my tax money, then I don't want you smoking pot. If you are going to live off the government, then drugs need to be illegal.

Why should I be forced to take care of your child, because you are pot head? Why should I take care of you in retirement, because you smoked all your retirement away, getting high?

And again, you are right, that you could say the same thing for Alcohol and Tobacco.... I agree. We should have the same rules for all of them. But since I can't ban alcohol and tobacco, doesn't mean that we should allow more bad behavior.

The alternative is, we eliminate all government programs completely, and you can do whatever you want.

I have no obligation to "society".


Drinking or using weed occasionally is not "bad " behavior.

As long as I am not endangering anyone else what I do is not anyone's business.

So as far as society is concerned , we have laws that address public intoxication, driving while impaired etc. So those people who do put others in danger will be punished.

And I never once mentioned abolishing any law or government program that is designed to protect people from those who would be a danger to them.

But telling me I can't use a little hash for enjoyment on occasion because someone else might not be able to control himself is ridiculous

If you take Social Security, Medicare, or any other form of benefit from the government.... then flat out, you are wrong. If tax payers like me, are paying for ANYTHING for you... then yes you do have an obligation to society.

And yes, it is bad behavior.... *IF*... we have to pay for you.

Again, you save for your own retirement, and not take any tax money.... you pay for your own health care, and not take any tax money.... and pay for your own food, and your own house, and your own everything.....

Then I agree. If you are being completely responsible, then you can do anything you want.

The problem is, even if *YOU* specifically are being responsible, the flat out truth is, many people are not. I know they are not, because they have openly told me as much.

Now if you want to institute a system where we have an exclusion list, where if you are caught on drugs or drinking, then you forfeit all government benefits for life....

Ok, then you can do what you want.

Short of having that system, then we need to either eliminate all government benefits, or we need to ban bad behavior.

One or the other. It is evil to have hard working people, who live responsibly, paying for those who choose not to. And as long as this system exists, then I'll be fighting and voting for anyone anywhere that will either prevent bad behavior, or prevent me from paying for that bad behavior.

One or the other.... can't have both.

I take nothing from the government.

And don't forget the money I will get from Social Security after the age of 67 is money that I had taken from me in the form of taxes.

And FYI I would love to get rid of the Social Security scam.

Just like all the rest of us are paying tax. Social Security is money paid in income tax, just like any other income tax. And social security benefits, are benefits like any other benefit.

So generally... we agree. I want to get rid of it too. Actually, I would like to privatize it.
If we privatized it, so the money went into your own account, in your own assets.... then I wouldn't care what you did, because you would only be taking your own money.

Not every working person has he ability to invest for their retirement. The small amount taken in payroll taxes would never cover the needs of those who retire and live many years.

If you look over census data for the years before FDR, you will see many unrelated persons living at the same address. Those were the poor houses all over the country, those whose breadwinner died even before retirement, and those who live paycheck to paycheck and could never save a dime.

The consequences of taking away SS are too dier. Many American workers today are living paycheck to paycheck, its been reported an average of 78% workers do so, and cannot put enough money into a Medical or Retirement savings account.

The government shutdown spotlights a bigger issue: 78% of US workers live paycheck to paycheck

You and I have a different definition of "small amount"

Social security and medicare taxes total to 15% of a person's lifetime income.

that is not a small amount

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Drug addiction is more like pollution. What difference does it make if some factory dumps a couple of gallons of gunk in the river? It doesn't really hurt anyone if some junkie throws his needle away or craps on the sidewalk. Except that we know its not one factory and a couple of gallons. It's not one junkie and a needle. How do you decide who will have that license to pollute or use drugs.

If you want to confine drug users to homes or wherever they are warehoused you have a better point. Just keep them from getting out.

Once again you are presenting flawed comparisons

There is no analogy between a person who occasionally uses Marijuana and a junkie

You obviously think that even an occasional drinker is the same as a junkie

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A person that uses marijuana does so with the intent of getting high or a buzz. They are a junkie. A person who drinks with the intent of getting drunk is an alcoholic. Many people have an occasional drink without getting drunk.

You are wrong of course.

There is a very big difference between a person who is physically addicted to a substance and a person who uses a substance occasionally for enjoyment.

But you have no ability to think in anything other than stark absolute terms so I really don't expect you to understand the idea that all human behaviors exist on a continuum.

Do you use marijuana for the feeling that it gives you? Do you take it to get that feeling? You are an addict.

That's why 12 step programs require that the first thing is to admit the addiction. The denial is part of the addiction. There are many harmless addictions that cause no impairment of any kind. Cigarettes, chocolate, food. It might kill you but you can function.

Many people are against marijuana use because they are victims or know victims of marijuana addicts. I've watched it for years. I saw my great granddaughter get her legs crushed because of her mother's pot use. Addicts relax. They forget. They become negligent like the woman who put the baby on top of the car and drove off. Their judgment is poor. Like my granddaughter in law who wanders off and leaves the gas on in the stove or makes a munchie run leaving the scented candles burning. Pot addicts are dangerous and they need to be watched.

You need to look up the definition of addiction.

Addiction has a component of physical dependency so if you stop using the substance you have withdrawal symptoms which can be deadly in the case of alcohol addiction.

So tell me do you have sex because it makes you feel good ? If you do then you must be a sex addict.

Now do you see how extreme and quite frankly wrong your definition of addiction is?

While it is true that there are sex addicts as well as porn addicts I am not one. I abandoned being either bored or annoyed some years ago.

 

[Blues Man]

Once again you are presenting flawed comparisons

There is no analogy between a person who occasionally uses Marijuana and a junkie

You obviously think that even an occasional drinker is the same as a junkie

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A person that uses marijuana does so with the intent of getting high or a buzz. They are a junkie. A person who drinks with the intent of getting drunk is an alcoholic. Many people have an occasional drink without getting drunk.

You are wrong of course.

There is a very big difference between a person who is physically addicted to a substance and a person who uses a substance occasionally for enjoyment.

But you have no ability to think in anything other than stark absolute terms so I really don't expect you to understand the idea that all human behaviors exist on a continuum.

Do you use marijuana for the feeling that it gives you? Do you take it to get that feeling? You are an addict.

That's why 12 step programs require that the first thing is to admit the addiction. The denial is part of the addiction. There are many harmless addictions that cause no impairment of any kind. Cigarettes, chocolate, food. It might kill you but you can function.

Many people are against marijuana use because they are victims or know victims of marijuana addicts. I've watched it for years. I saw my great granddaughter get her legs crushed because of her mother's pot use. Addicts relax. They forget. They become negligent like the woman who put the baby on top of the car and drove off. Their judgment is poor. Like my granddaughter in law who wanders off and leaves the gas on in the stove or makes a munchie run leaving the scented candles burning. Pot addicts are dangerous and they need to be watched.

You need to look up the definition of addiction.

Addiction has a component of physical dependency so if you stop using the substance you have withdrawal symptoms which can be deadly in the case of alcohol addiction.

So tell me do you have sex because it makes you feel good ? If you do then you must be a sex addict.

Now do you see how extreme and quite frankly wrong your definition of addiction is?

While it is true that there are sex addicts as well as porn addicts I am not one. I abandoned being either bored or annoyed some years ago.

By your definition anyone who has sex because they like how it feels is a sex addict

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Drug addiction is more like pollution. What difference does it make if some factory dumps a couple of gallons of gunk in the river? It doesn't really hurt anyone if some junkie throws his needle away or craps on the sidewalk. Except that we know its not one factory and a couple of gallons. It's not one junkie and a needle. How do you decide who will have that license to pollute or use drugs.

If you want to confine drug users to homes or wherever they are warehoused you have a better point. Just keep them from getting out.

Once again you are presenting flawed comparisons

There is no analogy between a person who occasionally uses Marijuana and a junkie

You obviously think that even an occasional drinker is the same as a junkie

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A person that uses marijuana does so with the intent of getting high or a buzz. They are a junkie. A person who drinks with the intent of getting drunk is an alcoholic. Many people have an occasional drink without getting drunk.

You are wrong of course.

There is a very big difference between a person who is physically addicted to a substance and a person who uses a substance occasionally for enjoyment.

But you have no ability to think in anything other than stark absolute terms so I really don't expect you to understand the idea that all human behaviors exist on a continuum.

Do you use marijuana for the feeling that it gives you? Do you take it to get that feeling? You are an addict.

That's why 12 step programs require that the first thing is to admit the addiction. The denial is part of the addiction. There are many harmless addictions that cause no impairment of any kind. Cigarettes, chocolate, food. It might kill you but you can function.

Many people are against marijuana use because they are victims or know victims of marijuana addicts. I've watched it for years. I saw my great granddaughter get her legs crushed because of her mother's pot use. Addicts relax. They forget. They become negligent like the woman who put the baby on top of the car and drove off. Their judgment is poor. Like my granddaughter in law who wanders off and leaves the gas on in the stove or makes a munchie run leaving the scented candles burning. Pot addicts are dangerous and they need to be watched.

You need to look up the definition of addiction.

Addiction has a component of physical dependency so if you stop using the substance you have withdrawal symptoms which can be deadly in the case of alcohol addiction.

So tell me do you have sex because it makes you feel good ? If you do then you must be a sex addict.

Now do you see how extreme and quite frankly wrong your definition of addiction is?

You are wrong. Educate yourself.

Addiction: Definition, symptoms, withdrawal, and treatment

Or are you justifying yourself.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

A person that uses marijuana does so with the intent of getting high or a buzz. They are a junkie. A person who drinks with the intent of getting drunk is an alcoholic. Many people have an occasional drink without getting drunk.

You are wrong of course.

There is a very big difference between a person who is physically addicted to a substance and a person who uses a substance occasionally for enjoyment.

But you have no ability to think in anything other than stark absolute terms so I really don't expect you to understand the idea that all human behaviors exist on a continuum.

Do you use marijuana for the feeling that it gives you? Do you take it to get that feeling? You are an addict.

That's why 12 step programs require that the first thing is to admit the addiction. The denial is part of the addiction. There are many harmless addictions that cause no impairment of any kind. Cigarettes, chocolate, food. It might kill you but you can function.

Many people are against marijuana use because they are victims or know victims of marijuana addicts. I've watched it for years. I saw my great granddaughter get her legs crushed because of her mother's pot use. Addicts relax. They forget. They become negligent like the woman who put the baby on top of the car and drove off. Their judgment is poor. Like my granddaughter in law who wanders off and leaves the gas on in the stove or makes a munchie run leaving the scented candles burning. Pot addicts are dangerous and they need to be watched.

You need to look up the definition of addiction.

Addiction has a component of physical dependency so if you stop using the substance you have withdrawal symptoms which can be deadly in the case of alcohol addiction.

So tell me do you have sex because it makes you feel good ? If you do then you must be a sex addict.

Now do you see how extreme and quite frankly wrong your definition of addiction is?

While it is true that there are sex addicts as well as porn addicts I am not one. I abandoned being either bored or annoyed some years ago.

By your definition anyone who has sex because they like how it feels is a sex addict

Could be. That's why there is rehab for sex addicts.

 

[Rye Catcher]

I have no obligation to "society".


Drinking or using weed occasionally is not "bad " behavior.

As long as I am not endangering anyone else what I do is not anyone's business.

So as far as society is concerned , we have laws that address public intoxication, driving while impaired etc. So those people who do put others in danger will be punished.

And I never once mentioned abolishing any law or government program that is designed to protect people from those who would be a danger to them.

But telling me I can't use a little hash for enjoyment on occasion because someone else might not be able to control himself is ridiculous

If you take Social Security, Medicare, or any other form of benefit from the government.... then flat out, you are wrong. If tax payers like me, are paying for ANYTHING for you... then yes you do have an obligation to society.

And yes, it is bad behavior.... *IF*... we have to pay for you.

Again, you save for your own retirement, and not take any tax money.... you pay for your own health care, and not take any tax money.... and pay for your own food, and your own house, and your own everything.....

Then I agree. If you are being completely responsible, then you can do anything you want.

The problem is, even if *YOU* specifically are being responsible, the flat out truth is, many people are not. I know they are not, because they have openly told me as much.

Now if you want to institute a system where we have an exclusion list, where if you are caught on drugs or drinking, then you forfeit all government benefits for life....

Ok, then you can do what you want.

Short of having that system, then we need to either eliminate all government benefits, or we need to ban bad behavior.

One or the other. It is evil to have hard working people, who live responsibly, paying for those who choose not to. And as long as this system exists, then I'll be fighting and voting for anyone anywhere that will either prevent bad behavior, or prevent me from paying for that bad behavior.

One or the other.... can't have both.

I take nothing from the government.

And don't forget the money I will get from Social Security after the age of 67 is money that I had taken from me in the form of taxes.

And FYI I would love to get rid of the Social Security scam.

Just like all the rest of us are paying tax. Social Security is money paid in income tax, just like any other income tax. And social security benefits, are benefits like any other benefit.

So generally... we agree. I want to get rid of it too. Actually, I would like to privatize it.
If we privatized it, so the money went into your own account, in your own assets.... then I wouldn't care what you did, because you would only be taking your own money.

Not every working person has he ability to invest for their retirement. The small amount taken in payroll taxes would never cover the needs of those who retire and live many years.

If you look over census data for the years before FDR, you will see many unrelated persons living at the same address. Those were the poor houses all over the country, those whose breadwinner died even before retirement, and those who live paycheck to paycheck and could never save a dime.

The consequences of taking away SS are too dier. Many American workers today are living paycheck to paycheck, its been reported an average of 78% workers do so, and cannot put enough money into a Medical or Retirement savings account.

The government shutdown spotlights a bigger issue: 78% of US workers live paycheck to paycheck

You and I have a different definition of "small amount"

Social security and medicare taxes total to 15% of a person's lifetime income.

that is not a small amount

Well, putting that 15% in an IRA, some of it will be taken by the custodian, and the benefits which come along with investments come with no guarantee.

Many of the 78% won't or can't save 15% of their income annually.

 

[Harry Dresden]

What is their rationale? We have alcohol and nobody believes that should be illegal. If one is for freedom and liberty one is supportive of legalization.

I'm supportive of legalization, but not immediately.

Now that California is addicted to revenue from dope taxes, the feds should start looking for illegal aliens at California pot dispensaries. And just keep busting them until California repeals their laws that enable illegal immigrants.

You want a sanctuary city, fine we'll bust your dope stores. Force them to make a choice. Eventually California voters will choose legal marijuana over illegal aliens.

The dope stores sells Mexican dope.

how would you know?.....