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Why "antifa"?
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night_son
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Trump toadies like to evoke antifa as one of their favorite scapegoats, and one of their Whataboutism evocation when Trump's neo-nazi, proud boys, boogaloo, q-anon, oath keepers, three percenters and other rightist goons are mentioned.
Van der Veen was most likely referring to John E. Sullivan, a Utah man who was charged on Jan. 14 with violent entry and disorderly conduct. Sullivan, an activist, said he was there to film the siege. He had previously referred to antifa — a loosely affiliated group of antifascist activists that has no leader — on social media, but he has repeatedly denied being a member of the movement.The F.B.I. has said there is no evidence that supporters of the antifa movement had participated in the Capitol siege.Antifa is not affiliated with President Biden, the Democratic Party or its leaders.
Biden has unequivocally condemned antifa and called violence "unacceptable."
... More broadly, Biden has also repeatedly condemned acts of violence and property destruction in the context of the wave of protests and unrest in 2020. For example, he did so twice in one particularly violent week during August 2020.On Aug. 26, 2020, after police in Kenosha, Wisconsin shot a Black man named Jacob Blake, Biden recorded a brief video message in which he said:“…Protesting brutality is a right, and absolutely necessary. But burning down communities is not protest, it’s needless violence — violence that endangers lives, violence that guts businesses and shutters businesses that serve the community. That’s wrong.”
Has Biden Failed to Condemn Antifa?
"The problem is on the Left. And Biden refuses to talk about it," President Trump claimed in September 2020. Was he right?www.snopes.com
If Trumpers are desperate for a Whataboutism scapegoat to evoke when Trump's neo-nazi, proud boys, boogaloo, q-anon, oath keepers, three percenters and other rightist goons are cited, they might wish to consider the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, thoroughly disgusted with Trumpery.
And I quote: "Stupid is a stupid does." —Forrest Gump, the great philosopher of our time
Chinese propaganda is normally more entertaining. Try again. Try harder . . .
Seriously. The Washington Post? Politifact? Bless your heart. Were you born yesterday?simple?It's pretty simple. Beijing Biden and the DNC wrapped their arms around Antifa whenever they were politically useful to them. China Joe and Willie Brown's Ho may have made lip service against them occasionally but overall, they welcomed their support in destabilizing the nation. Willie's Ho even fundraised for them. They danced with the devil so now they get to take him home.Trump toadies like to evoke antifa as one of their favorite scapegoats, and one of their Whataboutism evocation when Trump's neo-nazi, proud boys, boogaloo, q-anon, oath keepers, three percenters and other rightist goons are mentioned.
Van der Veen was most likely referring to John E. Sullivan, a Utah man who was charged on Jan. 14 with violent entry and disorderly conduct. Sullivan, an activist, said he was there to film the siege. He had previously referred to antifa — a loosely affiliated group of antifascist activists that has no leader — on social media, but he has repeatedly denied being a member of the movement.The F.B.I. has said there is no evidence that supporters of the antifa movement had participated in the Capitol siege.Antifa is not affiliated with President Biden, the Democratic Party or its leaders.
Biden has unequivocally condemned antifa and called violence "unacceptable."
... More broadly, Biden has also repeatedly condemned acts of violence and property destruction in the context of the wave of protests and unrest in 2020. For example, he did so twice in one particularly violent week during August 2020.On Aug. 26, 2020, after police in Kenosha, Wisconsin shot a Black man named Jacob Blake, Biden recorded a brief video message in which he said:“…Protesting brutality is a right, and absolutely necessary. But burning down communities is not protest, it’s needless violence — violence that endangers lives, violence that guts businesses and shutters businesses that serve the community. That’s wrong.”Has Biden Failed to Condemn Antifa?
"The problem is on the Left. And Biden refuses to talk about it," President Trump claimed in September 2020. Was he right?If Trumpers are desperate for a Whataboutism scapegoat to evoke when Trump's neo-nazi, proud boys, boogaloo, q-anon, oath keepers, three percenters and other rightist goons are cited, they might wish to consider the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, thoroughly disgusted with Trumpery.
simply wrong
Fact-checking claims on Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, and China
As Election Day nears, President Donald Trump and his supporters are urging greater scrutiny of Hunter Biden, the son ofwww.politifact.com
Fact check: Democrats have condemned violence linked to BLM, anti-fascist protests
A post claims that no Democrats have advocated for an end to violence by BLM and antifa. That is false — Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and others have.www.usatoday.com
A fact-check from The Washington Post in June found that there was no link between violent protests and antifa. That's in part because "antifa is a moniker, not a single group," so it's difficult to attribute any violence directly to that movement, which is focused on opposition to fascism and racism.
After recent protests in Portland, Oregon, for example, federal prosecutors produced no evidence to link the people arrested to the antifa or anarchist movements, according to Reuters.
Regardless of whether that violence is attributable to anti-fascist activists, the city's Democratic Mayor Ted Wheeler recently condemned the actions of some protesters, including attempts to set fire to police union headquarters.
"When you commit arson with an accelerant in an attempt to burn down a building that is occupied by people who you have intentionally trapped inside, you are not demonstrating, you are attempting to commit murder," he said, according to The Washington Post.
In addition, when there have been clear instances of violence attributed to anti-fascist activists, some Democrats have spoken out against it.
In 2017, Pelosi condemned “the violent actions of people calling themselves antifa" after a protest in Berkley, California, according to The Washington Post.
“Our democracy has no room for inciting violence or endangering the public, no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts,” Pelosi said at the time.
daveman
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Nope. They're running cover for them, desperate to give them legitimacy.Has the SPLC condemned Antifa?
Designating Antifa as Domestic Terrorist Organization Is Dangerous, Threatens Civil Liberties
“The F.B.I. has said there is no evidence that supporters of the antifa movement had participated in the Capitol siege.” ibid
Yet conservatives will continue to ignore this fact and advance the lie that ‘antifa’ was somehow ‘involved.’
The dishonest right will also attempt to use ‘antifa’ in an effort to deflect from acts of rightwing violence and terrorism.
And conservatives will make the false comparison that ‘antifa’ is somehow ‘the same’ as rightwing hate and terrorist organizations, when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.
Yet conservatives will continue to ignore this fact and advance the lie that ‘antifa’ was somehow ‘involved.’
The dishonest right will also attempt to use ‘antifa’ in an effort to deflect from acts of rightwing violence and terrorism.
And conservatives will make the false comparison that ‘antifa’ is somehow ‘the same’ as rightwing hate and terrorist organizations, when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.
^Trump toadies like to evoke antifa as one of their favorite scapegoats, and one of their Whataboutism evocation when Trump's neo-nazi, proud boys, boogaloo, q-anon, oath keepers, three percenters and other rightist goons are mentioned.
Van der Veen was most likely referring to John E. Sullivan, a Utah man who was charged on Jan. 14 with violent entry and disorderly conduct. Sullivan, an activist, said he was there to film the siege. He had previously referred to antifa — a loosely affiliated group of antifascist activists that has no leader — on social media, but he has repeatedly denied being a member of the movement.The F.B.I. has said there is no evidence that supporters of the antifa movement had participated in the Capitol siege.Antifa is not affiliated with President Biden, the Democratic Party or its leaders.
Biden has unequivocally condemned antifa and called violence "unacceptable."
... More broadly, Biden has also repeatedly condemned acts of violence and property destruction in the context of the wave of protests and unrest in 2020. For example, he did so twice in one particularly violent week during August 2020.On Aug. 26, 2020, after police in Kenosha, Wisconsin shot a Black man named Jacob Blake, Biden recorded a brief video message in which he said:“…Protesting brutality is a right, and absolutely necessary. But burning down communities is not protest, it’s needless violence — violence that endangers lives, violence that guts businesses and shutters businesses that serve the community. That’s wrong.”Has Biden Failed to Condemn Antifa?
"The problem is on the Left. And Biden refuses to talk about it," President Trump claimed in September 2020. Was he right?If Trumpers are desperate for a Whataboutism scapegoat to evoke when Trump's neo-nazi, proud boys, boogaloo, q-anon, oath keepers, three percenters and other rightist goons are cited, they might wish to consider the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, thoroughly disgusted with Trumpery.
FAKE NEWS ALERT!!!
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“The F.B.I. has said there is no evidence that supporters of the antifa movement had participated in the Capitol siege.” ibid
True, that was the statement the FBI stuck with for a few days.
Until the FBI released the fact that they had known about the 'siege' for several days before Jan 6th.
The FBI informed the PTB, via report, of this fact at least one day before the 'siege'
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Nope. They're running cover for them, desperate to give them legitimacy.Has the SPLC condemned Antifa?
Designating Antifa as Domestic Terrorist Organization Is Dangerous, Threatens Civil Liberties
That right there is proof that Antifa is supported by Dems.
Turtlesoup
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boogaloo is a left organization of muslims and their supporters. Anti-fa are the new nazis brown shirts---sent out by the puppet masters to use intimidation and fear to create chaos normally-this time to invade the Trump supporters to try to make the protest more violent and destructive to create bad optics for trump and to set him up for another fake impeachment in order to try to keep him out of office. The plan didn't work though as Trump supporters as a group are very reluctant to commit violence and wanton destruction even with antifa and likely the fbi's plants in trying to instigate.Trump toadies like to evoke antifa as one of their favorite scapegoats, and one of their Whataboutism evocation when Trump's neo-nazi, proud boys, boogaloo, q-anon, oath keepers, three percenters and other rightist goons are mentioned.
Van der Veen was most likely referring to John E. Sullivan, a Utah man who was charged on Jan. 14 with violent entry and disorderly conduct. Sullivan, an activist, said he was there to film the siege. He had previously referred to antifa — a loosely affiliated group of antifascist activists that has no leader — on social media, but he has repeatedly denied being a member of the movement.The F.B.I. has said there is no evidence that supporters of the antifa movement had participated in the Capitol siege.Antifa is not affiliated with President Biden, the Democratic Party or its leaders.
Biden has unequivocally condemned antifa and called violence "unacceptable."
... More broadly, Biden has also repeatedly condemned acts of violence and property destruction in the context of the wave of protests and unrest in 2020. For example, he did so twice in one particularly violent week during August 2020.On Aug. 26, 2020, after police in Kenosha, Wisconsin shot a Black man named Jacob Blake, Biden recorded a brief video message in which he said:“…Protesting brutality is a right, and absolutely necessary. But burning down communities is not protest, it’s needless violence — violence that endangers lives, violence that guts businesses and shutters businesses that serve the community. That’s wrong.”Has Biden Failed to Condemn Antifa?
"The problem is on the Left. And Biden refuses to talk about it," President Trump claimed in September 2020. Was he right?If Trumpers are desperate for a Whataboutism scapegoat to evoke when Trump's neo-nazi, proud boys, boogaloo, q-anon, oath keepers, three percenters and other rightist goons are cited, they might wish to consider the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, thoroughly disgusted with Trumpery.
Lysistrata
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Actually, Antifa definitely is a Democrat Party group. They used to be called "Occupy Wall Street", "Coffee Party" "SEIU" and "Weather Underground". Antifa is just their current moniker. Mayor Wheeler in Portland marched with them, and he is a devout Democrat.
There is no evidence that any of these loosely-knit groups are associated in any way with the Democratic Party. None of these groups has attached itself to any political candidate no flags, no chants, no posters for any politician.
Please note: it's "Democratic Party," not "Democrat Party." Basic grammar does not appear to be your strong suit.
Turtlesoup
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BS--------this is how communists/socialist always do---they have their various terror group out trying to create chaos and destruction so the weak minded are more likely to allow abusive socialists and communists in. anti-fa is the dems brown shirts.Actually, Antifa definitely is a Democrat Party group. They used to be called "Occupy Wall Street", "Coffee Party" "SEIU" and "Weather Underground". Antifa is just their current moniker. Mayor Wheeler in Portland marched with them, and he is a devout Democrat.
There is no evidence that any of these loosely-knit groups are associated in any way with the Democratic Party. None of these groups has attached itself to any political candidate no flags, no chants, no posters for any politician.
Please note: it's "Democratic Party," not "Democrat Party." Basic grammar does not appear to be your strong suit.
Turtlesoup
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DNC and antifa just share the same puppet masters and the dems including ho harris just bail them out of jail when they are arrested for their crimes. No connection my ass.Your lie is unsubstantiated by any evidence.The DNC owns both Klantifa and BLM. You made them, and they wouldn't exist, culturally or financially, without the DNC.
AntiFa is a political movement that opposes fascism. There is no evidence that AntiFa is connected to the Democratic Party.AntiFa is an anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States... According to an AntiFa website, its main focus is to prevent fascist organizations.The vast majority of AntiFa militants are radical anti-capitalists who oppose the Democratic Party.
False: AntiFa is affiliated with the Democratic Party.
AntiFa is a political movement that opposes fascism. There is no evidence that AntiFa is connected to the Democratic Party.www.logically.ai
You may want to substitute the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in all your future Whataboutisms.
DudleySmith
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Trump toadies like to evoke antifa as one of their favorite scapegoats, and one of their Whataboutism evocation when Trump's neo-nazi, proud boys, boogaloo, q-anon, oath keepers, three percenters and other rightist goons are mentioned.
Van der Veen was most likely referring to John E. Sullivan, a Utah man who was charged on Jan. 14 with violent entry and disorderly conduct. Sullivan, an activist, said he was there to film the siege. He had previously referred to antifa — a loosely affiliated group of antifascist activists that has no leader — on social media, but he has repeatedly denied being a member of the movement.The F.B.I. has said there is no evidence that supporters of the antifa movement had participated in the Capitol siege.Antifa is not affiliated with President Biden, the Democratic Party or its leaders.
Biden has unequivocally condemned antifa and called violence "unacceptable."
... More broadly, Biden has also repeatedly condemned acts of violence and property destruction in the context of the wave of protests and unrest in 2020. For example, he did so twice in one particularly violent week during August 2020.On Aug. 26, 2020, after police in Kenosha, Wisconsin shot a Black man named Jacob Blake, Biden recorded a brief video message in which he said:“…Protesting brutality is a right, and absolutely necessary. But burning down communities is not protest, it’s needless violence — violence that endangers lives, violence that guts businesses and shutters businesses that serve the community. That’s wrong.”Has Biden Failed to Condemn Antifa?
"The problem is on the Left. And Biden refuses to talk about it," President Trump claimed in September 2020. Was he right?If Trumpers are desperate for a Whataboutism scapegoat to evoke when Trump's neo-nazi, proud boys, boogaloo, q-anon, oath keepers, three percenters and other rightist goons are cited, they might wish to consider the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, thoroughly disgusted with Trumpery.
First off, the FBI lost all credibility when they covered up Hillary's treason, destroying evidence of her felonies, and then they got caught fabricating false info for Obama to illegally wiretap Trump during an election campaign. So, you have zero credibility right off the bat. No need to read beyond where you invoke the FBI and NYT, since you shot your own credibility down.
schmidlap
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You have not attempted to substantiate your blatant lie with any credible evidence. Antifa is an anarchistic movement opposed to both parties and has been unambiguously condemned by Biden, Pelosi, and others. No Democrat (or Republican) has mewled that anifa has "good people" in it as Cry Baby Loser claimed regarding his fanatical neo-nazi supporters.Beijing Biden and the DNC wrapped their arms around Antifa whenever they were politically useful to them.
Trump bum kissers' fake claims have been exposed.
Trump's most fervent followers are beginning to claim that the mob that overran the Capitol on Wednesday were not MAGA supporters, but instead were Antifa 'masquerading' as the president's backers.
Matt Gaetz... told the House he did not believe they were Trump supporters who stormed the building.
He declared there was 'some pretty compelling evidence from a facial recognition company showing that some of the people who breached the Capitol today were not Trump supporters, but were masquerading as Trump supporters, and in fact were members of the violent terrorist group Antifa.'..
[Laura Ingraham] said the behavior was incompatible with Trump supporters.
'Actions we saw today do not represent this movement,' she told her viewers. 'The Washington Times is reporting today that at least two Antifa were spotted in the crowd.'
Sarah Palin spoke to Fox News anchor Martha MacCallum on Wednesday evening, and joined in the chorus.
'We don't know who all were the instigators in these horrible things that happened today, I think a lot of it is the Antifa folks,' she claimed, citing 'pictures' sent to her...
Fact-check: Did antifa storm Capitol Hill?
Not long after Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton addressed a large "Save America" rally of Trump loyalists outside the White House on Wednesday, they marched on the Capitol and breached the building as Congress sought to ratify President-elect Joe Biden’s electoral victory.
But Paxton had his own ideas about the mob carrying pro-Trump flags and signs.
On Thursday morning, he took to Facebook to advance a conspiracy theory that the people who overtook the Capitol were not Trump supporters, but members of antifa.
“Those who stormed the capitol yesterday were not Trump supporters. They have been confirmed to be Antifa,” Paxton wrote.
In the aftermath of Trump goons' deadly insurrection, many Trump goons who were apprehended openly cited their Trump's words as their defense of their anti-American riot.The Cry Baby Loser's fake pretense has failed.
FBI: No evidence antifa involved in Capitol riot
FBI: No evidence antifa involved in Capitol riot
No evidence has been found that members of the left-wing antifa movement were involved in this week’s storming of the Capitol building, the FBI said Friday, contradicting a narrative push…
thehill.com
"Well, never mind, then!
Them goobers looks like BLM to me!"
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Your lie is unsubstantiated by any evidence.The DNC owns both Klantifa and BLM. You made them, and they wouldn't exist, culturally or financially, without the DNC.
AntiFa is a political movement that opposes fascism. There is no evidence that AntiFa is connected to the Democratic Party.AntiFa is an anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States... According to an AntiFa website, its main focus is to prevent fascist organizations.The vast majority of AntiFa militants are radical anti-capitalists who oppose the Democratic Party.False: AntiFa is affiliated with the Democratic Party.
AntiFa is a political movement that opposes fascism. There is no evidence that AntiFa is connected to the Democratic Party.You may want to substitute the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in all your future Whataboutisms.
ANTIFA states it is against fascism yet engages in fascist behavior and tactics. It’s like the school bullies who say they are against bullying and justifying their behavior by simply first accusing their victims and targets as bullies.
ANTIFA are terrorists.
schmidlap
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Your Trumpy lies are particularly pathetic, not only for their reliance on the mindless paranoid dogma spewed at you, but for their implication that, were there anything substantive in them, your Cry Baby Loser had four years to appoint toadies to realize the strident chant in which he led his goons at his pep rally jamborees -"Lock her up! Lock her up!"First off, the FBI lost all credibility when they covered up Hillary's treason, destroying evidence of her felonies, and then they got caught fabricating false info for Obama to illegally wiretap Trump during an election campaign. So, you have zero credibility right off the bat. No need to read beyond where you invoke the FBI and NYT, since you shot your own credibility down.
No such charges were ever contrived, despite Cry Baby Loser's ample opportunity to fulfill his goons' ardent desire.
If you are unable to accept that your Cry Baby Loser lied to you, you will just have to extend your paranoid notion that everybody is mean to your Cry Baby Loser, including his own incompetent administration.
Boo hoo.
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SEIU?Actually, Antifa definitely is a Democrat Party group. They used to be called "Occupy Wall Street", "Coffee Party" "SEIU" and "Weather Underground". Antifa is just their current moniker. Mayor Wheeler in Portland marched with them, and he is a devout Democrat.
You just say shit and expect people to believe it.
Sullivan had "some" affiliation to BLM but was repudiated by them months ago so THAT can't be used. That leaves only ANTIFA...which has no evidence whatsoever
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I do not recall anyone saying Biden was pro antifa or vice versa.Trump toadies like to evoke antifa as one of their favorite scapegoats, and one of their Whataboutism evocation when Trump's neo-nazi, proud boys, boogaloo, q-anon, oath keepers, three percenters and other rightist goons are mentioned.
Van der Veen was most likely referring to John E. Sullivan, a Utah man who was charged on Jan. 14 with violent entry and disorderly conduct. Sullivan, an activist, said he was there to film the siege. He had previously referred to antifa — a loosely affiliated group of antifascist activists that has no leader — on social media, but he has repeatedly denied being a member of the movement.The F.B.I. has said there is no evidence that supporters of the antifa movement had participated in the Capitol siege.Antifa is not affiliated with President Biden, the Democratic Party or its leaders.
Biden has unequivocally condemned antifa and called violence "unacceptable."
... More broadly, Biden has also repeatedly condemned acts of violence and property destruction in the context of the wave of protests and unrest in 2020. For example, he did so twice in one particularly violent week during August 2020.On Aug. 26, 2020, after police in Kenosha, Wisconsin shot a Black man named Jacob Blake, Biden recorded a brief video message in which he said:“…Protesting brutality is a right, and absolutely necessary. But burning down communities is not protest, it’s needless violence — violence that endangers lives, violence that guts businesses and shutters businesses that serve the community. That’s wrong.”Has Biden Failed to Condemn Antifa?
"The problem is on the Left. And Biden refuses to talk about it," President Trump claimed in September 2020. Was he right?If Trumpers are desperate for a Whataboutism scapegoat to evoke when Trump's neo-nazi, proud boys, boogaloo, q-anon, oath keepers, three percenters and other rightist goons are cited, they might wish to consider the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, thoroughly disgusted with Trumpery.
It isnot a whataboutism it is in fact calling out the left for massive hypocrisy.
The past year we saw many cascading riots by BLM/ANTIFA and even a succesful overthrow of government.
The cause that BLM/ANTIFA are fighting for is no mor3e righteous or true than that of the MAGA crowd which stormed and rioted at the capitol.
Both were equally despicable and need to be condemned. But of course both sides excuse the violent and deadlhy rioting which they support. Peftists are the worst offenders at this. They minimize, excuse , trivialize and rationalize the violence from the left. They claim BLM/ANTIFA are not the same thing which is true but they did in fact team up. They claim that these people were fighting for civil rights they were NOT.
If you are honest and not a hypocrite you will loudly condemn both the MAGA rioters and the BLM/ANTIFA rioters equally.
If you are a two faced liar like Kamela Harris you will post bail for one violent group but not the other.
Trump toadies...
Stopped reading right there...You might consider the way you characterize your opponents in here unless all you want to do is denegrate and troll...
If that is the case then your points are irrelevant....
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