Why Allow Gun Ownership?

[eagle1462010]

A .30 caliber bolt action rifle would be the most effective firearm for American civilians opposing foreign invasion – not AR 15s.

The US military had the same experience in Vietnam as it did later in Iraq and Afghanistan – snipers armed with M91/30s; indeed, 10 – round fixed magazine SKSs were equally as effective because they could be loaded with stripper clips faster than an AK magazine.

A survey of the history of insurgent resistance to modern military invasions reveals few examples of civilian use of automatic or semi-automatic small arms; civilians lack the training and support to directly engage a modern military force. Indirect, long-range attacks are best suited for civilians, such as sniper attacks with bolt action rifles.

M1 killed more people than anything else. So

 

[bigrebnc1775]

This is a lie.

Fascism is the sole purview of the right.

However misguided, ineffective, and unwarranted, AWBs are not un-Constitutional and not ‘anti-Second Amendment’ – the Supreme Court having never ruled on the constitutionality of AWBs.

And until the Court rules otherwise, AWBs are perfectly lawful, in no manner a manifestation of ‘fascism.’

So the professional liar think women prefer shotguns. No they don't the recoil for one thing and the control of the shotgun.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

A .30 caliber bolt action rifle would be the most effective firearm for American civilians opposing foreign invasion – not AR 15s.

The US military had the same experience in Vietnam as it did later in Iraq and Afghanistan – snipers armed with M91/30s; indeed, 10 – round fixed magazine SKSs were equally as effective because they could be loaded with stripper clips faster than an AK magazine.

A survey of the history of insurgent resistance to modern military invasions reveals few examples of civilian use of automatic or semi-automatic small arms; civilians lack the training and support to directly engage a modern military force. Indirect, long-range attacks are best suited for civilians, such as sniper attacks with bolt action rifles.

What caliber does an AR 15 come in?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

That's what my 1898 Mauser with scope is for.

The fact that a .30 caliber bolt action rifle would be the most effective firearm for American civilians to use opposing foreign invasion demonstrates that civilians don’t ‘need’ an AR 15 for effective defense against such an invasion – rendering invalid the ‘justification’ for possessing AR 15s as a means to oppose a professional military force.

Conservatives need to stop with this Red Dawn nonsense in a failed effort to ‘support’ owning AR 15s.

Conservatives should instead argue that AR 15s shouldn’t be banned because it represents unwarranted government excess and overreach and is bad, ineffective public policy – a rifle behind every blade of grass is a myth.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The fact that a .30 caliber bolt action rifle would be the most effective firearm for American civilians to use opposing foreign invasion demonstrates that civilians don’t ‘need’ an AR 15 for effective defense against such an invasion – rendering invalid the ‘justification’ for possessing AR 15s as a means to oppose a professional military force.

Conservatives need to stop with this Red Dawn nonsense in a failed effort to ‘support’ owning AR 15s.

Conservatives should instead argue that AR 15s shouldn’t be banned because it represents unwarranted government excess and overreach and is bad, ineffective public policy – a rifle behind every blade of grass is a myth.

What caliber does an AR 15 come in

 

[Confederate Soldier]

The fact that a .30 caliber bolt action rifle would be the most effective firearm for American civilians to use opposing foreign invasion demonstrates that civilians don’t ‘need’ an AR 15 for effective defense against such an invasion – rendering invalid the ‘justification’ for possessing AR 15s as a means to oppose a professional military force.

Conservatives need to stop with this Red Dawn nonsense in a failed effort to ‘support’ owning AR 15s.

Conservatives should instead argue that AR 15s shouldn’t be banned because it represents unwarranted government excess and overreach and is bad, ineffective public policy – a rifle behind every blade of grass is a myth.

You don't know much about guns, or military weaponry. There are plenty of semi-auto rifles out there besides AR-15s. AR's are more popular. And semi autos are WAAAAAAAAY better at fighting than a fucking bolt action. We are not afraid of Russians trying to invade, but rather you fuckers voting a dictator in office.

 

[Circe]

Why allow gun ownership, is the question?

Because they can't stop it, of course.

If they could, they would, in a New York minute.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What caliber does an AR 15 come in?

An M1 would likewise be preferable to an M4 clone.

Chambered in a powerful, effective round, as accurate as a bolt action, and quickly reloaded with the en-bloc clip, an M1 has been and would currently be a devastating and effective weapon for use by civilians in opposition to foreign invasion.

The evidence is compelling and overwhelming that there’s no ‘need’ for an AR 15; possessing an AR 15 is a want, not a ‘need’ – and there’s nothing wrong with that, citizens are at liberty to arm themselves according to want consistent with Federal, state, and local laws.

But the notion that there is a ‘need’ to possess an AR 15 is completely devoid of merit.

 

[Blues Man]

Including machine guns??

Why not?

I can buy a machine gun If I want to.

They are perfectly legal as long as you pay the additional tax.

 

[eagle1462010]

An M1 would likewise be preferable to an M4 clone.

Chambered in a powerful, effective round, as accurate as a bolt action, and quickly reloaded with the en-bloc clip, an M1 has been and would currently be a devastating and effective weapon for use by civilians in opposition to foreign invasion.

The evidence is compelling and overwhelming that there’s no ‘need’ for an AR 15; possessing an AR 15 is a want, not a ‘need’ – and there’s nothing wrong with that, citizens are at liberty to arm themselves according to want consistent with Federal, state, and local laws.

But the notion that there is a ‘need’ to possess an AR 15 is completely devoid of merit.

Saveth the man who doesn't know suppression fire.

 

[Lesh]

I can buy a machine gun If I want to.

They are perfectly legal as long as you pay the additional tax.

Only if made prior to 1986 and even there they are heavily regulated

Why the restrictions?

 

[miketx]

Relying on a handgun to take down a bear is foolhardy. It takes a very, very well-placed shot to kill a bear. You wouldn't want to try to kill a brown or grizzly bear with a .357 magnum. I know I've seen someone try...

Come get them.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Come get them.

Come get what?

 

[miketx]

Come get what?

Lol, my lawn mower.

 

[eagle1462010]

I got a lawn mower that hasn't worked in years..........Someone take it.........needs a new carb.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Lol, my lawn mower.

Are you always this drunk, or is it because of the three day weekend?

 

[Blues Man]

Only if made prior to 1986 and even there they are heavily regulated

Why the restrictions?

They're not really heavily regulated just the extra tax

And why does the government do anything?

It certainly isn't to protect the best interests of any of us

 

[Lesh]

They're not really heavily regulated just the extra tax

And why does the government do anything?

It certainly isn't to protect the best interests of any of us

The absolute easiest way is for someone to get a Federal Firearms License or “FFL” (even a home-based FFL).

Depending on the type of FFL, the FFL-holder can purchase and sell machine guns, regardless of when they were made (more on this below), and they can even legally make their own machine guns or lawfully convert current firearms into full-autos. The best part about getting a machine gun as an FFL is that you can get it at dealer cost and fast.

Even without an FFL, a private citizen can still lawfully own a true machine gun if certain conditions are met. However, machine guns for non-FFLs are EXTREMELY expensive as the available supply is limited.

As an FFL, you can buy a brand new machine gun for less than $2,000 and have it transferred to you in a few days.

As a private citizen (without an FFL) you can only buy an old machine gun (over 35 years old), it’ll likely cost north of $15,000, and you’ll have to wait around a year for the transfer via an ATF Form 4.

 

[Blues Man]

The absolute easiest way is for someone to get a Federal Firearms License or “FFL” (even a home-based FFL).

Depending on the type of FFL, the FFL-holder can purchase and sell machine guns, regardless of when they were made (more on this below), and they can even legally make their own machine guns or lawfully convert current firearms into full-autos. The best part about getting a machine gun as an FFL is that you can get it at dealer cost and fast.

Even without an FFL, a private citizen can still lawfully own a true machine gun if certain conditions are met. However, machine guns for non-FFLs are EXTREMELY expensive as the available supply is limited.

As an FFL, you can buy a brand new machine gun for less than $2,000 and have it transferred to you in a few days.

As a private citizen (without an FFL) you can only buy an old machine gun (over 35 years old), it’ll likely cost north of $15,000, and you’ll have to wait around a year for the transfer via an ATF Form 4.

And?

You're surprised that bureaucracy and paperbark take so long? That isn't really regulation more than it is inefficiency

 

[Lesh]

And?

You're surprised that bureaucracy and paperbark take so long? That isn't really regulation more than it is inefficiency

It illustrates the difficulty in getting a machine gun. Consequently there are very few out there

It ought to be that difficult to own assault rifles for the same reasons. They are far too dangerous. Even cops are afraid of them