Who's our enemy?

[Delta4Embassy]

See how it works? Condemn one reliigon and you only open yourself up to comparisons. Religion isn't the enemy.

Who is our enemy?

It's no use talking to numb nuts who have predetermined that they absolutely MUST defend Islam no matter what. It is their prime directive, as they lose cred with their little mates if they don't show solidarity.

All his pathetic tripe about a "handful" of bad apples is all about setting the bar for what is considered acceptable at such a place that what was once considered outrageous becomes the new normal. What, with ISIS now making The Muslim Brotherhood look downright moderate in comparison, those like Delta who lack any critical thinking skills actually believes the agenda of The M.B. IS moderate. The bar keeps moving and few even realize it.

His focusing only on the tactics Islamists use to achieve their goals misses the entire point, and deliberately so IMO since he lies about the numbers involved. It is the agenda, itself, as shared by many hundreds of millions of Muslims that is the real problem -- spreading Islam as a totalitarian political ideology instead of just a religion -- and your C.A.I.R. quote shows that very clearly. The tactics they may vary, but the goals are the same.

Prefer thinking of it as defending the US from fools trying to pick a fight with 1.6 billion people instead of maybe 10,000.

 

[WillowTree]

If Islam has a PR problem it is of their own making! I remember American Muslim citizens in America cheering the 9-11 attacks! They didn't carry out the attacks but they cheered on those who did! That memory will never be erased. They created it. Not I.

 

[DarkFury]

See how it works? Condemn one reliigon and you only open yourself up to comparisons. Religion isn't the enemy.

Yet, World War 3 will probably be Christianity/Jewish vs. Muslim. It could be the war that ends religion, though, if it happens, it will be the war, that ends the world, thus, ending religion.

Welcome to Armageddon.

WW3 isn't the concern. Concern is a nuclear state like Pakistan, DPRK, or Iran "losing" a nuclear weapon (in reality they give it to someone) who then deploys it somewhere. In effect, using a proxy agent to attack with nuclear weapons while retaining deniability.

Our response plans don't address proxy-use of nuclear weapons. Who do we retaliate against? The ones who did it are presumedly vaporized. But do we strike whoever made the weapon? We don't retaliate against conventional arms dealer nations. Do we suddenly if it's a WMD? What about if it's chemical or biological?

I have been reading up on nukes a lot. The radiation factor is based on resistance, Ground contact vs Sea or Air. A nuke set off 1 mile ABOVE ground has VERY little fallout but will burn 400 square miles just on blast.

Two nukes, one in the capital in Iran and one in the center of Islamic state. 400 miles NO rock NO brick NO steel, ALL gone.
With a one mile above ground you could rebuild in a year!

Check the Czar bomb the Russians set off. Could be Tzar, it's on youtube. Just TWO and the issue is OVER. NO boots on the ground/wounded or dead. TWO.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Prefer thinking of it as defending the US from fools trying to pick a fight with 1.6 billion people instead of maybe 10,000.

You are not thinking at all. You know nothing about the subject matter, you make dishonest comparisons, you lie about the numbers involved, you offer nothing beyond platitudinous drivel, and you are so enamored with your useful idiocy that there is no possibility whatsoever that any thinking can ever occur in that space between your ears.

 

[gipper]

Prefer thinking of it as defending the US from fools trying to pick a fight with 1.6 billion people instead of maybe 10,000.

You are not thinking at all. You know nothing about the subject matter, you make dishonest comparisons, you lie about the numbers involved, you offer nothing beyond platitudinous drivel, and you are so enamored with your useful idiocy that there is no possibility whatsoever that any thinking can ever occur in that space between your ears.

Adherents of radical Islam are likely far greater than 10,000.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Prefer thinking of it as defending the US from fools trying to pick a fight with 1.6 billion people instead of maybe 10,000.

You are not thinking at all. You know nothing about the subject matter, you make dishonest comparisons, you lie about the numbers involved, you offer nothing beyond platitudinous drivel, and you are so enamored with your useful idiocy that there is no possibility whatsoever that any thinking can ever occur in that space between your ears.

Adherents of radical Islam are likely far greater than 10,000.

About 10k ISIS last I heard. More Islamic-terrorists than just ISIS naturally.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

See how it works? Condemn one reliigon and you only open yourself up to comparisons. Religion isn't the enemy.

Yet, World War 3 will probably be Christianity/Jewish vs. Muslim. It could be the war that ends religion, though, if it happens, it will be the war, that ends the world, thus, ending religion.

Welcome to Armageddon.

If it ever turns to all out war it'll be a short one.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Prefer thinking of it as defending the US from fools trying to pick a fight with 1.6 billion people instead of maybe 10,000.

You are not thinking at all. You know nothing about the subject matter, you make dishonest comparisons, you lie about the numbers involved, you offer nothing beyond platitudinous drivel, and you are so enamored with your useful idiocy that there is no possibility whatsoever that any thinking can ever occur in that space between your ears.

Adherents of radical Islam are likely far greater than 10,000.

About 10k ISIS last I heard. More Islamic-terrorists than just ISIS naturally.

The HuffingPaint post puts the number at 30 to 50 thousand.

 

[natstew]

An intangible abstract concept like Islam, or the actual people running around with military weapons? If we dedicate ourselves to attacking the idea, will we have any success? Do bombs and bullets kill ideas like they do people? Or should we instead focus our efforts on actual people?

Islam isn't our enemy. A handful of very evil people using Islam as a selling point is.

Once again I will point out, that my Bible does not tell me to convert people or kill them if they won't convert, like the Quran does.

And anyone who believes that our government, does not know where ISIS terrorists are holed up at, is a real idiot. But, if we were to blow them up, then they would have to face some issues they really don't want to deal with, so let the ISIS bunch be, and let people live in fear of them, so we can protect our phony baloney jobs. That is their mentality.

And once again, I'll point out what every KJV says:

2 CHRONICLES CHAPTER 15

13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
- 2 Chronicles 15, KJV

The old testament is simply history, the new testament is Christianity. The old testament does not apply to Christians.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

An intangible abstract concept like Islam, or the actual people running around with military weapons? If we dedicate ourselves to attacking the idea, will we have any success? Do bombs and bullets kill ideas like they do people? Or should we instead focus our efforts on actual people?

Islam isn't our enemy. A handful of very evil people using Islam as a selling point is.

Once again I will point out, that my Bible does not tell me to convert people or kill them if they won't convert, like the Quran does.

And anyone who believes that our government, does not know where ISIS terrorists are holed up at, is a real idiot. But, if we were to blow them up, then they would have to face some issues they really don't want to deal with, so let the ISIS bunch be, and let people live in fear of them, so we can protect our phony baloney jobs. That is their mentality.

And once again, I'll point out what every KJV says:

2 CHRONICLES CHAPTER 15

13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
- 2 Chronicles 15, KJV

The old testament is simply history, the new testament is Christianity. The old testament does not apply to Christians.

Uhmmmm, isn't the Ten Commandments Old Testament?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

See how it works? Condemn one reliigon and you only open yourself up to comparisons. Religion isn't the enemy.

Yet, World War 3 will probably be Christianity/Jewish vs. Muslim. It could be the war that ends religion, though, if it happens, it will be the war, that ends the world, thus, ending religion.

Welcome to Armageddon.

If it ever turns to all out war it'll be a short one.

All-out war (as with no laws or limitations on how it's waged) is far better than heavily regulated war. A horrible, bloody, terrible fight isn't as long as one with rules all over it. Plus it provides greater incentive to try other things first. More you regulate and sanitize war, more likely it becomes.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

An intangible abstract concept like Islam, or the actual people running around with military weapons? If we dedicate ourselves to attacking the idea, will we have any success? Do bombs and bullets kill ideas like they do people? Or should we instead focus our efforts on actual people?

Islam isn't our enemy. A handful of very evil people using Islam as a selling point is.

Once again I will point out, that my Bible does not tell me to convert people or kill them if they won't convert, like the Quran does.

And anyone who believes that our government, does not know where ISIS terrorists are holed up at, is a real idiot. But, if we were to blow them up, then they would have to face some issues they really don't want to deal with, so let the ISIS bunch be, and let people live in fear of them, so we can protect our phony baloney jobs. That is their mentality.

And once again, I'll point out what every KJV says:

2 CHRONICLES CHAPTER 15

13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
- 2 Chronicles 15, KJV

The old testament is simply history, the new testament is Christianity. The old testament does not apply to Christians.

The Old Testament is Judaism, a corrupted and edited version of the Jewish Tanach. The NT is Christianity yes. And yet, every Christian Bible contains another religion's holy text. Ever wonder why?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

See how it works? Condemn one reliigon and you only open yourself up to comparisons. Religion isn't the enemy.

Yet, World War 3 will probably be Christianity/Jewish vs. Muslim. It could be the war that ends religion, though, if it happens, it will be the war, that ends the world, thus, ending religion.

Welcome to Armageddon.

If it ever turns to all out war it'll be a short one.

All-out war (as with no laws or limitations on how it's waged) is far better than heavily regulated war. A horrible, bloody, terrible fight isn't as long as one with rules all over it. Plus it provides greater incentive to try other things first. More you regulate and sanitize war, more likely it becomes.

Even if we didnt use nukes it would be a short one.
No one can keep up with the west when it comes to producing and manufacturing high quality death dealers.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

See how it works? Condemn one reliigon and you only open yourself up to comparisons. Religion isn't the enemy.

Yet, World War 3 will probably be Christianity/Jewish vs. Muslim. It could be the war that ends religion, though, if it happens, it will be the war, that ends the world, thus, ending religion.

Welcome to Armageddon.

If it ever turns to all out war it'll be a short one.

All-out war (as with no laws or limitations on how it's waged) is far better than heavily regulated war. A horrible, bloody, terrible fight isn't as long as one with rules all over it. Plus it provides greater incentive to try other things first. More you regulate and sanitize war, more likely it becomes.

Even if we didnt use nukes it would be a short one.
No one can keep up with the west when it comes to producing and manufacturing high quality death dealers.

Won WWII without nukes. Hiroshima and Nagasaki was akin to hitting a boxer you've knocked out as he falls.

And we won WWII in under 5 years. Only logical conclusion then why we couldn't win in Afganistan (which is much smaller than the Pacific and European theatres of WWII) in 14 years is we weren't trying to win.

If we wanna win wars again we need to fight them just as we did in WWII (except there at the end like.) No earthly reason the US military inventory can't win any war not involving China or Russia. Nowadays, the major obstacle to winning wars is simple enough - the press and how everyone has a camera and can upload video online.

If your bombs kill civilians, that becomes known around the world in minutes. No amount of secrecy will prevent this just as during the ObL assassination conducted by the most secret unit in the USA's military. That operation was online before it ended. Consequently, to keep public support for wars the US is now pulling its' punches every time it does anything militarily. And this isn't how you win a war.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

See how it works? Condemn one reliigon and you only open yourself up to comparisons. Religion isn't the enemy.

Yet, World War 3 will probably be Christianity/Jewish vs. Muslim. It could be the war that ends religion, though, if it happens, it will be the war, that ends the world, thus, ending religion.

Welcome to Armageddon.

If it ever turns to all out war it'll be a short one.

All-out war (as with no laws or limitations on how it's waged) is far better than heavily regulated war. A horrible, bloody, terrible fight isn't as long as one with rules all over it. Plus it provides greater incentive to try other things first. More you regulate and sanitize war, more likely it becomes.

Even if we didnt use nukes it would be a short one.
No one can keep up with the west when it comes to producing and manufacturing high quality death dealers.

Won WWII without nukes. Hiroshima and Nagasaki was akin to hitting a boxer you've knocked out as he falls.

And we won WWII in under 5 years. Only logical conclusion then why we couldn't win in Afganistan (which is much smaller than the Pacific and European theatres of WWII) in 14 years is we weren't trying to win.

If we wanna win wars again we need to fight them just as we did in WWII (except there at the end like.) No earthly reason the US military inventory can't win any war not involving China or Russia. Nowadays, the major obstacle to winning wars is simple enough - the press and how everyone has a camera and can upload video online.

If your bombs kill civilians, that becomes known around the world in minutes. No amount of secrecy will prevent this just as during the ObL assassination conducted by the most secret unit in the USA's military. That operation was online before it ended. Consequently, to keep public support for wars the US is now pulling its' punches every time it does anything militarily. And this isn't how you win a war.

I assumed we were talking about all out war with muslim nations.
Obviously if pakistan broke out the nukes the gloves would come off.
But you have to think they'd be smarter than that.

 

[jknowgood]

Barack Hussein Obama is the enemy, and his America hating administration.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Large Governments controlled by Banks and Corporations are the Enemy.

 

[September]

Every human is their own worst enemy.

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[ChrisL]

An intangible abstract concept like Islam, or the actual people running around with military weapons? If we dedicate ourselves to attacking the idea, will we have any success? Do bombs and bullets kill ideas like they do people? Or should we instead focus our efforts on actual people?

Islam isn't our enemy. A handful of very evil people using Islam as a selling point is.

What needs to happen . . . we need to wash our hands of that shit hole once and for all. No more aiding them. Let them work things out for themselves. We need to be energy dependent so we don't have to bend to these nuts' wishes over oil supplies. Let them handle their own problems, and we handle our own.

 

[ChrisL]

See how it works? Condemn one reliigon and you only open yourself up to comparisons. Religion isn't the enemy.

I don't consider Islam a religion. I consider it more like a cult.