Who's Afraid of Socialism?

[BrokeLoser]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Who's Afraid of Socialism?
Nobody who needs other people’s shit to survive is “afraid of socialism”. We know this for sure.

 

[georgephillip]

Why can an animal in Canada get diagnosed, treated and healed, in a matter of weeks, when a human in Canada's 'people before profits' system takes years and years to do the same? Why are animals treated with great care, while humans are treated like problems?

Because there is no profit motive with treated people. No profit, no care.

"Ralph Nader: Canada's Health Care System Puts America's to Shame..."

Ralph Nader: Canada's Health Care System Puts America's to Shame

"Below please find 25 ways the Canadian health care system is better than the chaotic U.S. system...."

"Number 25:

"In Canada, everyone is covered automatically at birth – everybody in, nobody out.

"In the United States, under Obamacare, 28 million Americans (9 percent) are still uninsured and 85 million Americans (26 percent) are underinsured.

"Number 24:

"In Canada, the health system is designed to put people, not profits, first...."

 

[georgephillip]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Who's Afraid of Socialism?
Nobody who needs other people’s shit to survive is “afraid of socialism”. We know this for sure.

How do you suppose 4% of the world's population acquires 25% of the world's wealth?

 

[Wry Catcher]

I am politically 'afraid' of big government, neocons, central banks and fiscal deficits.

Socialism always means big government and usually means huge, fiscal deficits.

So I am against it.

The argument against "socialism" is mostly an at attack on social services, and not based on the ideology of Marxism & the manner in which Socialism has been used by autocratic leaders. Many Americans have been brainwashed to believe Socialism is a political system as well as an economic one, which is controlled totally by Big Brother .

Does anyone on the right understand the Republic Party puts profit before people? That public services can and are scrutinized by the public, and not by a selected board of directors.

No idea what you are on about.

Here is the definition of socialism:

'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state'

Definition of SOCIALISM

Socialism means the state runs the economy...BY DEFINITION.

That is BIG government and I am 100% against it.

It is big government, but so is the military. We, in the US, have a mixed economic system. Each community has a public police dept, and private security exists along with the local public agency. We have public schools with local boards of directors elected by the people, and private for profit schools - some insular, but regulated by the State.

Many communities (county's and parishes) have public hospitals, where the publicly employed doctors work with private sector contract doctors and do not replace private sector hospitals, private sector insurance and private sector pharmacies.

Are government contractors who do the bulk of the work an example of Socialism? What is a public utility? What is a budget, if not a plan on how, when, where and who will build the next highway bridge and pay the contractor whose bid was accepted. Is it Socialistic or Capitalistic? You tell me.

 

[Andylusion]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Who's Afraid of Socialism?
Nobody who needs other people’s shit to survive is “afraid of socialism”. We know this for sure.

How do you suppose 4% of the world's population acquires 25% of the world's wealth?

But capitalism does not take 'other people's money'..

They build wealth. I don't have money, that I did not earn.

Only socialism takes other people's money. Socialism is when I collect social security, or food stamps, which is money stolen from other people.

Why do you think every socialist system ends up impoverished, and every capitalist system ends up wealthy? Why do you think western countries built on capitalism, are the countries people are trying to get to?

If what you said was true, would not people be trying to swim to Cuba from Florida? Instead of swiming to Florida from Cuba?

You post the most ignorant crap I've ever seen.

 

[McRocket]

I am politically 'afraid' of big government, neocons, central banks and fiscal deficits.

Socialism always means big government and usually means huge, fiscal deficits.

So I am against it.

The argument against "socialism" is mostly an at attack on social services, and not based on the ideology of Marxism & the manner in which Socialism has been used by autocratic leaders. Many Americans have been brainwashed to believe Socialism is a political system as well as an economic one, which is controlled totally by Big Brother .

Does anyone on the right understand the Republic Party puts profit before people? That public services can and are scrutinized by the public, and not by a selected board of directors.

No idea what you are on about.

Here is the definition of socialism:

'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state'

Definition of SOCIALISM

Socialism means the state runs the economy...BY DEFINITION.

That is BIG government and I am 100% against it.

It is big government, but so is the military. We, in the US, have a mixed economic system. Each community has a public police dept, and private security exists along with the local public agency. We have public schools with local boards of directors elected by the people, and private for profit schools - some insular, but regulated by the State.

Many communities (county's and parishes) have public hospitals, where the publicly employed doctors work with private sector contract doctors and do not replace private sector hospitals, private sector insurance and private sector pharmacies.

Are government contractors who do the bulk of the work an example of Socialism? What is a public utility? What is a budget, if not a plan on how, when, where and who will build the next highway bridge and pay the contractor whose bid was accepted. Is it Socialistic or Capitalistic? You tell me.

1) I am not talking about 'socialistic'. I am talking about 'socialism'. And, by definition (as I showed above) it IS BIG government. So, I am against it.

2) I think the US military is far, FAR too large.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Who's Afraid of Socialism?
Nobody who needs other people’s shit to survive is “afraid of socialism”. We know this for sure.

How do you suppose 4% of the world's population acquires 25% of the world's wealth?

How do you suppose 4% of the world's population acquires 25% of the world's wealth?

By creating goods and services that people willingly buy with their money.

 

[Tehon]

I am politically 'afraid' of big government, neocons, central banks and fiscal deficits.

Socialism always means big government and usually means huge, fiscal deficits.

So I am against it.

The argument against "socialism" is mostly an at attack on social services, and not based on the ideology of Marxism & the manner in which Socialism has been used by autocratic leaders. Many Americans have been brainwashed to believe Socialism is a political system as well as an economic one, which is controlled totally by Big Brother .

Does anyone on the right understand the Republic Party puts profit before people? That public services can and are scrutinized by the public, and not by a selected board of directors.

No idea what you are trying to say here - except that it is about socialism.

Here is the definition of socialism:

'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state'

Definition of SOCIALISM

Socialism means the state runs the economy...BY DEFINITION.

That is BIG government and I am 100% against it.

It is not quite that simple and it is misleading to define socialism as government control over the economy.

More to the point, Socialism is a system of producing goods sans capital.

 

[McRocket]

I am politically 'afraid' of big government, neocons, central banks and fiscal deficits.

Socialism always means big government and usually means huge, fiscal deficits.

So I am against it.

The argument against "socialism" is mostly an at attack on social services, and not based on the ideology of Marxism & the manner in which Socialism has been used by autocratic leaders. Many Americans have been brainwashed to believe Socialism is a political system as well as an economic one, which is controlled totally by Big Brother .

Does anyone on the right understand the Republic Party puts profit before people? That public services can and are scrutinized by the public, and not by a selected board of directors.

No idea what you are trying to say here - except that it is about socialism.

Here is the definition of socialism:

'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state'

Definition of SOCIALISM

Socialism means the state runs the economy...BY DEFINITION.

That is BIG government and I am 100% against it.

It is not quite that simple and it is misleading to define socialism as government control over the economy.

More to the point, Socialism is a system of producing goods sans capital.

Then, with respect, I suggest you take it up with the people who create dictionaries AND encyclopedia's.

'socialism

NOUN
mass noun

• 1A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.'

socialism | Definition of socialism in English by Oxford Dictionaries


'Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources.'

socialism | Definition, History, Examples, & Facts


Good day.

 

[Tehon]

I am politically 'afraid' of big government, neocons, central banks and fiscal deficits.

Socialism always means big government and usually means huge, fiscal deficits.

So I am against it.

The argument against "socialism" is mostly an at attack on social services, and not based on the ideology of Marxism & the manner in which Socialism has been used by autocratic leaders. Many Americans have been brainwashed to believe Socialism is a political system as well as an economic one, which is controlled totally by Big Brother .

Does anyone on the right understand the Republic Party puts profit before people? That public services can and are scrutinized by the public, and not by a selected board of directors.

No idea what you are trying to say here - except that it is about socialism.

Here is the definition of socialism:

'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state'

Definition of SOCIALISM

Socialism means the state runs the economy...BY DEFINITION.

That is BIG government and I am 100% against it.

It is not quite that simple and it is misleading to define socialism as government control over the economy.

More to the point, Socialism is a system of producing goods sans capital.

Then, with respect, I suggest you take it up with the people who create dictionaries AND encyclopedia's.

'socialism

NOUN
mass noun

• 1A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.'

socialism | Definition of socialism in English by Oxford Dictionaries


'Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources.'

socialism | Definition, History, Examples, & Facts


Good day.

I am simply suggesting that you further your understanding of socioeconomic systems beyond what is contained in a given dictionary. Your choice to do it or not.

 

[McRocket]

I am politically 'afraid' of big government, neocons, central banks and fiscal deficits.

Socialism always means big government and usually means huge, fiscal deficits.

So I am against it.

The argument against "socialism" is mostly an at attack on social services, and not based on the ideology of Marxism & the manner in which Socialism has been used by autocratic leaders. Many Americans have been brainwashed to believe Socialism is a political system as well as an economic one, which is controlled totally by Big Brother .

Does anyone on the right understand the Republic Party puts profit before people? That public services can and are scrutinized by the public, and not by a selected board of directors.

No idea what you are trying to say here - except that it is about socialism.

Here is the definition of socialism:

'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state'

Definition of SOCIALISM

Socialism means the state runs the economy...BY DEFINITION.

That is BIG government and I am 100% against it.

It is not quite that simple and it is misleading to define socialism as government control over the economy.

More to the point, Socialism is a system of producing goods sans capital.

Then, with respect, I suggest you take it up with the people who create dictionaries AND encyclopedia's.

'socialism

NOUN
mass noun

• 1A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.'

socialism | Definition of socialism in English by Oxford Dictionaries


'Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources.'

socialism | Definition, History, Examples, & Facts


Good day.

I am simply suggesting that you further your understanding of socioeconomic systems beyond what is contained in a given dictionary. Your choice to do it or not.

So...you want me to disregard what the word actually means and try and find what it doesn't?

Pass.

And I suggest you re-evaluate your apparent, ad hoc belief about what 'socialism' actually is.

I find that many people on the left have an idealistic view of 'socialism'. That they try and pigeon hole it to mean whatever they want.
No offense, that seems to be what you are doing as well.

Words have a meaning. Socialism is no different.

If you want to call a banana an apple - that is your right.

But I suggest you come up with a new term to describe what it is you want 'socialism' to be...rather then just calling your version - erroneously - 'socialism'.

Your choice to do it or not.

I lived in Canada for years and there are aspects of 'semi-socialistic type' governments that are good. Some that are bad.
But socialism - as it currently means in the English language - is bad, IMO.


Good day.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The argument against "socialism" is mostly an at attack on social services, and not based on the ideology of Marxism & the manner in which Socialism has been used by autocratic leaders. Many Americans have been brainwashed to believe Socialism is a political system as well as an economic one, which is controlled totally by Big Brother .

Does anyone on the right understand the Republic Party puts profit before people? That public services can and are scrutinized by the public, and not by a selected board of directors.

No idea what you are trying to say here - except that it is about socialism.

Here is the definition of socialism:

'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state'

Definition of SOCIALISM

Socialism means the state runs the economy...BY DEFINITION.

That is BIG government and I am 100% against it.

It is not quite that simple and it is misleading to define socialism as government control over the economy.

More to the point, Socialism is a system of producing goods sans capital.

Then, with respect, I suggest you take it up with the people who create dictionaries AND encyclopedia's.

'socialism

NOUN
mass noun

• 1A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.'

socialism | Definition of socialism in English by Oxford Dictionaries


'Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources.'

socialism | Definition, History, Examples, & Facts


Good day.

I am simply suggesting that you further your understanding of socioeconomic systems beyond what is contained in a given dictionary. Your choice to do it or not.

So...you want me to disregard what the word actually means and try and find what it doesn't?

Pass.

And I suggest you re-evaluate your apparent, ad hoc belief about what 'socialism' actually is.

I find that many people on the left have an idealistic view of 'socialism'. That they try and pigeon hole it to mean whatever they want.
No offense, that seems to be what you are doing as well.

Words have a meaning. Socialism is no different.

If you want to call a banana an apple - that is your right.

But I suggest you come up with a new term to describe what it is you want 'socialism' to be...rather then just calling your version - erroneously - 'socialism'.

Your choice to do it or not.

I lived in Canada for years and there are aspects of 'semi-socialistic type' governments that are good. Some that are bad.
But socialism - as it currently means in the English language - is bad, IMO.


Good day.

Do you consider the ACA Socialism?

 

[McRocket]

No idea what you are trying to say here - except that it is about socialism.

Here is the definition of socialism:

'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state'

Definition of SOCIALISM

Socialism means the state runs the economy...BY DEFINITION.

That is BIG government and I am 100% against it.

It is not quite that simple and it is misleading to define socialism as government control over the economy.

More to the point, Socialism is a system of producing goods sans capital.

Then, with respect, I suggest you take it up with the people who create dictionaries AND encyclopedia's.

'socialism

NOUN
mass noun

• 1A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.'

socialism | Definition of socialism in English by Oxford Dictionaries


'Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources.'

socialism | Definition, History, Examples, & Facts


Good day.

I am simply suggesting that you further your understanding of socioeconomic systems beyond what is contained in a given dictionary. Your choice to do it or not.

So...you want me to disregard what the word actually means and try and find what it doesn't?

Pass.

And I suggest you re-evaluate your apparent, ad hoc belief about what 'socialism' actually is.

I find that many people on the left have an idealistic view of 'socialism'. That they try and pigeon hole it to mean whatever they want.
No offense, that seems to be what you are doing as well.

Words have a meaning. Socialism is no different.

If you want to call a banana an apple - that is your right.

But I suggest you come up with a new term to describe what it is you want 'socialism' to be...rather then just calling your version - erroneously - 'socialism'.

Your choice to do it or not.

I lived in Canada for years and there are aspects of 'semi-socialistic type' governments that are good. Some that are bad.
But socialism - as it currently means in the English language - is bad, IMO.


Good day.

Do you consider the ACA Socialism?

If by ACA you mean Obamacare? No.

Socialism - by definition - means governments runs ALL of the economy.

I would call it 'socialistic'.


BTW, I lived for years in Canada and I know FAR more about 'socialistic', single-payer healthcare than most Americans.

And - if you are poor. It's (relatively) great.
If you aren't. It ain't.

You are treated like a number (as they have no competition), waiting times can be HORRENDOUS (years and years in some cases), drugs are 100% NOT covered (unless you are poor) AND you can be trapped in hospitals (waiting for surgery) for months.
Trapped you say?
Yup.
If you leave - they can threaten to push you down the waiting list. And since you have no alternative, you MUST stay in hospital for as long as they want you to.
I knew a guy who was trapped on the cardiac floor of a hospital for over a month waiting for a bypass operation. He could not even leave the floor. He was not even allowed to go onto the elevator. He was not hooked up to any machines or on any exotic medication. He just lied around - waiting. He was miserable and trapped.
And he ended up dying in that hospital when the surgery went wrong.

Anyone who says single-payer is great for everyone simply does not know what they are talking about.

Multi-payer is the answer, IMO. Government healthcare for the poor/those who cannot afford it. Private healthcare for everyone else.

 

[Tehon]

The argument against "socialism" is mostly an at attack on social services, and not based on the ideology of Marxism & the manner in which Socialism has been used by autocratic leaders. Many Americans have been brainwashed to believe Socialism is a political system as well as an economic one, which is controlled totally by Big Brother .

Does anyone on the right understand the Republic Party puts profit before people? That public services can and are scrutinized by the public, and not by a selected board of directors.

No idea what you are trying to say here - except that it is about socialism.

Here is the definition of socialism:

'socialism
noun
so·cial·ism | \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state'

Definition of SOCIALISM

Socialism means the state runs the economy...BY DEFINITION.

That is BIG government and I am 100% against it.

It is not quite that simple and it is misleading to define socialism as government control over the economy.

More to the point, Socialism is a system of producing goods sans capital.

Then, with respect, I suggest you take it up with the people who create dictionaries AND encyclopedia's.

'socialism

NOUN
mass noun

• 1A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.'

socialism | Definition of socialism in English by Oxford Dictionaries


'Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources.'

socialism | Definition, History, Examples, & Facts


Good day.

I am simply suggesting that you further your understanding of socioeconomic systems beyond what is contained in a given dictionary. Your choice to do it or not.

So...you want me to disregard what the word actually means and try and find what it doesn't?

Pass.

And I suggest you re-evaluate your apparent, ad hoc belief about what 'socialism' actually is.

I find that many people on the left have an idealistic view of 'socialism'. That they try and pigeon hole it to mean whatever they want.
No offense, that seems to be what you are doing as well.

Words have a meaning. Socialism is no different.

If you want to call a banana an apple - that is your right.

But I suggest you come up with a new term to describe what it is you want 'socialism' to be...rather then just calling your version - erroneously - 'socialism'.

Your choice to do it or not.

I lived in Canada for years and there are aspects of 'semi-socialistic type' governments that are good. Some that are bad.
But socialism - as it currently means in the English language - is bad, IMO.


Good day.

I am defining it the way it has been done since before Oxford English Dictionary existed. I am defining it the way it was done by Karl Marx, the foremost philosopher of socialism. You wouldn't know that. In the context of this thread, people fear what they don't understand, and the American people don't understand socialism, that is clearly evident.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Capitalism with all participants having a moral compass may work, but human being do not all have moral compasses.

In a socialist society, everyone must have a good work ethic, which they don't. Lazies get the same reward as hard or smart workers. , and there is no balance to that inequity without forced labor.

When you have government people working for their cronies and setting up rules that only hurt others (crony capitalism), you have not done anyone any favors.

The balance is inherent in the system. Fear balances greed.

Removing all restrains is balanced by removing all safety rules, making the market participant cautious and diligent.

 

[danielpalos]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

not socialism; lousy management. we have a Congress for a reason.

 

[Pogo]

Capitalism with all participants having a moral compass may work, but human being do not all have moral compasses.

In a socialist society, everyone must have a good work ethic, which they don't. Lazies get the same reward as hard or smart workers. , and there is no balance to that inequity without forced labor.

When you have government people working for their cronies and setting up rules that only hurt others (crony capitalism), you have not done anyone any favors.

uh HUH.

And what do you have when government people are working for no paycheck? Hey, what an incentive that is for air traffic controllers.

 

[Pilot1]

And what do you have when government people are working for no paycheck? Hey, what an incentive that is for air traffic controllers.

Government workers GET ALL THEIR BACK PAY after a government shutdown. They don't lose a dime. They often have employment FOR LIFE with no fear of layoffs, then get big pensions, full healthcare benefits for life, after working as little as twenty years. Plus, they usually have pretty stress free jobs.

 

[Pogo]

And what do you have when government people are working for no paycheck? Hey, what an incentive that is for air traffic controllers.

Government workers GET ALL THEIR BACK PAY after a government shutdown. They don't lose a dime. They often have employment FOR LIFE with no fear of layoffs, then get big pensions, full healthcare benefits for life, after working as little as twenty years. Plus, they usually have pretty stress free jobs.

So your excuse is "the check is in the mail". And the fact that it's in the mail and not in the hand "won't hurt a bit".

I love to watch pretzels being made.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It is not quite that simple and it is misleading to define socialism as government control over the economy.

More to the point, Socialism is a system of producing goods sans capital.

Then, with respect, I suggest you take it up with the people who create dictionaries AND encyclopedia's.

'socialism

NOUN
mass noun

• 1A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.'

socialism | Definition of socialism in English by Oxford Dictionaries


'Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources.'

socialism | Definition, History, Examples, & Facts


Good day.

I am simply suggesting that you further your understanding of socioeconomic systems beyond what is contained in a given dictionary. Your choice to do it or not.

So...you want me to disregard what the word actually means and try and find what it doesn't?

Pass.

And I suggest you re-evaluate your apparent, ad hoc belief about what 'socialism' actually is.

I find that many people on the left have an idealistic view of 'socialism'. That they try and pigeon hole it to mean whatever they want.
No offense, that seems to be what you are doing as well.

Words have a meaning. Socialism is no different.

If you want to call a banana an apple - that is your right.

But I suggest you come up with a new term to describe what it is you want 'socialism' to be...rather then just calling your version - erroneously - 'socialism'.

Your choice to do it or not.

I lived in Canada for years and there are aspects of 'semi-socialistic type' governments that are good. Some that are bad.
But socialism - as it currently means in the English language - is bad, IMO.


Good day.

Do you consider the ACA Socialism?

If by ACA you mean Obamacare? No.

Socialism - by definition - means governments runs ALL of the economy.

I would call it 'socialistic'.


BTW, I lived for years in Canada and I know FAR more about 'socialistic', single-payer healthcare than most Americans.

And - if you are poor. It's (relatively) great.
If you aren't. It ain't.

You are treated like a number (as they have no competition), waiting times can be HORRENDOUS (years and years in some cases), drugs are 100% NOT covered (unless you are poor) AND you can be trapped in hospitals (waiting for surgery) for months.
Trapped you say?
Yup.
If you leave - they can threaten to push you down the waiting list. And since you have no alternative, you MUST stay in hospital for as long as they want you to.
I knew a guy who was trapped on the cardiac floor of a hospital for over a month waiting for a bypass operation. He could not even leave the floor. He was not even allowed to go onto the elevator. He was not hooked up to any machines or on any exotic medication. He just lied around - waiting. He was miserable and trapped.
And he ended up dying in that hospital when the surgery went wrong.

Anyone who says single-payer is great for everyone simply does not know what they are talking about.

Multi-payer is the answer, IMO. Government healthcare for the poor/those who cannot afford it. Private healthcare for everyone else.

The ACA / PPACA & Obamacare are all the same. They were attacked over and over by the Right Wing / Special Interests' and the GOP (beneficiaries of the special interests) to label health care reform as Socialism. It is not that, and it is not single payer and it is not "socialistic" (whatever that means).

It is a public / private means of providing health insurance, subsidized by tax dollars for those who could not afford it; to provide preventative care at no cost to the citizens and for insurance for those who would have been denied insurance because of an active.

In my opinion, the Republican's support those who ideology is, "I got mine, fuck the rest of you", aka, the creed of Callous Conservatism.