"Who won the veep debate" thread

[beretta304]

I guess they must be desperate as Joe was rude to the max last night.

Ryan came across as a gentlemen and patience personified while Joe ranted and raved.

Joe looked more like a screaming 2yr old than a VP.

"Joe looked more like a screaming 2yr old than a VP."



You don't know how much that resembles the posters from the left that post here.

 

[JoeB131]

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There's no excuse for rude behavior like that from a public official, let alone the Vice President of the United States during a debate at such a critical time in our history. Biden did a very good job on the issues, but he was rude and disrespectful, and only a hardcore partisan ideologue would defend or celebrate it. Just another example of how far we've sunk.

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Biden did exactly what Obama should have done in the first debate- call these charlatans on their bullshit.

Ryan tried to use Ambassador Steven's coffin as a soap box, Biden pointed out that Ryan had cut embassy security that the White House had asked for.

Ryan tried to claim that the Adminstration watered down sanctions against Iran, Biden pointed out that we got sanctions the rest of the world is going along with and it's wrecked Iran's economy.

Ryan tried to run down the stimulus, Biden pointed out he was grabbing that money for his district hand over fist.

 

[beretta304]

Yup, that's exactly the vibe I got from the limited time I saw the debate. Many people said the same thing about the Kennedy/Nixon debate. I don't know if Biden's behavior was some kind of "strategy" or if he just went off the rails. Weird.

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"Mr Vice-President I defer to your debate experience and the fact that you're an elder statesman, however it is inappropiate, condescending and plain rude not only to this debate forum and it's moderator but to the Americian people as well, to laugh at the seriousness of the issues facing those hurting by yours and soon to be former President Obama's policies"


Had Ryan said something along those lines he would not only have delievered a knockout punch and likely forced Biden to gaffe...he would have stopped it in its' tracks.

The problem is as Ryan was replying he probabay didn't realize the extent of Biden's antics.

Yeah, exactly. Ryan was usually looking at the "moderator" (cough) when Biden was giggling, from what I saw. I don't think he saw a quarter of the smirks, unless he saw Biden's teeth out of the corner of his eye.

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It's safe to say that people saw what they wanted to see. If you like Biden then you thought he won. If you dislike Biden then you toss it to Ryan.

Personally I thought Ryan should have been more aggressive and perhaps equally rude. Notice Raddatz kept cutting off Ryan and he would stop talking...at the same time she just let Biden ramble.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Biden when he's on is pretty formiddable..he IS likeable and quick. I think he went in there with an absolute plan...to bloviate, to distract, to unnerve, to call Ryan a liar, to put out some fake stuff...

I think he main objective was to prevent Ryan from coming away a star...and I think as far as that objective goes, he did it.

Not really. Biden showed why he should have his vocal cords cut from his body.

The entire debate was nothing but one Biden gaff after another....the man cannot be considered sane.

He serves his purpose, he's obama's best life insurance policy.

 

[beretta304]

“If you read the transcript, I think it’s dead even. If you heard it on radio, Biden won. If you watched it on television, he lost.”

Yup, that's exactly the vibe I got from the limited time I saw the debate. Many people said the same thing about the Kennedy/Nixon debate. I don't know if Biden's behavior was some kind of "strategy" or if he just went off the rails. Weird.

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Tom Brokaw,.."Biden shouldn't have been laughing during a discussion of thermo-nuclear war with Iran".

 

[ScienceRocks]

Ryan put real stuff on the table.

Plans to fix
-SSI
-Reduce debt
-Grow jobs
-How to handle the middle east

Truth is SSI needs to be fixed, jobs need to be grown and the debt needs to be reduced.

He did this all being calm and vice presidential about it.

The truth is Biden acted like a jack ass. Most of it was fluff...I'll admit even with the attitude he wasn't blown away like Romney did to Obama. You can see this in the CNN likeability part of the official poll; 53% for Ryan to 43% for Biden. This tells you all you need to understand.

People are sick and tired of this shit. Most of that 10% difference are moderates! I'll guess.

 

[Mac1958]

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There's no excuse for rude behavior like that from a public official, let alone the Vice President of the United States during a debate at such a critical time in our history. Biden did a very good job on the issues, but he was rude and disrespectful, and only a hardcore partisan ideologue would defend or celebrate it. Just another example of how far we've sunk.

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Biden did exactly what Obama should have done in the first debate- call these charlatans on their bullshit.

Ryan tried to use Ambassador Steven's coffin as a soap box, Biden pointed out that Ryan had cut embassy security that the White House had asked for.

Ryan tried to claim that the Adminstration watered down sanctions against Iran, Biden pointed out that we got sanctions the rest of the world is going along with and it's wrecked Iran's economy.

Ryan tried to run down the stimulus, Biden pointed out he was grabbing that money for his district hand over fist.

I think I'm just expecting too much from politicians. Mature, civil behavior went out the window a long time ago, and I'm just out of sync with this stuff.

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[mudwhistle]

Joe Biden showed us exactly what's wrong with Washington.

It's why nothing will ever be accomplished that benefits everyone rather than special interest groups.

 

[midcan5]

Under today's political climate Biden did what was necessary. Bravo.


"A surefire politics of change would necessarily involve getting people in the middle — from the 30th to the 70th percentile — to see their own economic self-interest. If they vote in their own self-interest, they’ll elect people who are likely to be more aligned with people with lower incomes as well as with them. As long as people in the middle identify more with people on the top than with those on the bottom, we are doomed. The obscene amount of money flowing into the electoral process makes things harder yet." Peter Edelman http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/opinion/sunday/why-cant-we-end-poverty-in-america.html

 

[Mac1958]

Joe Biden showed us exactly what's wrong with Washington.

It's why nothing will ever be accomplished that benefits everyone rather than special interest groups.

Yep.

Sadly.

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[gallantwarrior]

Under today's political climate Biden did what was necessary. Bravo.


"A surefire politics of change would necessarily involve getting people in the middle — from the 30th to the 70th percentile — to see their own economic self-interest. If they vote in their own self-interest, they’ll elect people who are likely to be more aligned with people with lower incomes as well as with them. As long as people in the middle identify more with people on the top than with those on the bottom, we are doomed. The obscene amount of money flowing into the electoral process makes things harder yet." Peter Edelman http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/opinion/sunday/why-cant-we-end-poverty-in-america.html

Exactly why is it necessary to be a hysterically giggling, asinine, unbelievably rude boob?

 

[JoeB131]

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I think I'm just expecting too much from politicians. Mature, civil behavior went out the window a long time ago, and I'm just out of sync with this stuff.

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You should probably read the transcrpits of the Lincoln Douglas debates... They made what happened last night seem like a Tea Party. And, no, not that kind of TEA Party.

Look, Obama tried to do the "civil debate' thing, and frankly, everyone jumped all over him for it. The Left for him not being aggressive enough, and the right for him just being Obama.

I don't mind seeing a little fire. I don't mind seeing both sides called on their bullshit.

 

[beretta304]

Ryan put real stuff on the table.

Plans to fix
-SSI
-Reduce debt
-Grow jobs
-How to handle the middle east

Truth is SSI needs to be fixed, jobs need to be grown and the debt needs to be reduced.

He did this all being calm and vice presidential about it.

The truth is Biden acted like a jack ass. Most of it was fluff...I'll admit even with the attitude he wasn't blown away like Romney did to Obama. You can see this in the CNN likeability part of the official poll; 53% for Ryan to 43% for Biden. This tells you all you need to understand.

People are sick and tired of this shit. Most of that 10% difference are moderates! I'll guess.

I'd agree with your assessment but I would have to argue that Ryan still did not get specific enough. In fact, Raddatz even asked him twice to be specific.


I admit Obama says nothing specific about anything but the one thing Obama has done is to paint the Ryan-Romney ticket as not specific and neither of them have grabbed that ball and ran with it.

Last night was Ryan, the numbers guy, chance to toss a few speciifics out there and like I mentioned... throw Biden off his game...Ryan wasted that opportunity.



With a stellar performance on par with Romney's...Ryan could literally have put this way. Now the momentum has shifted back to Obama thanks to the lamestream media who will portray Biden as the winner. They already are. It's even again.

 

[Mac1958]

It's safe to see that people saw what they wanted to see. If you like Biden then you thought he won. If you dislike Biden then you toss it to Ryan.

Bingo. I haven't seen a comment yet here in which a supporter of one guy didn't think his guy won. Predictably.

I just don't like that behavior, regardless of whether the guy has a (D) or an (R) after his name. And I have no doubt, none, that the Dems would be complaining nice and loud had it been Ryan acting that way.

Just more intellectual dishonesty, yawn.

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[skookerasbil]

...........plus Bidens whopper on the security requests puts it on a tee for Romney next Tuesday. A big old pumpkin on a tee!!!

 

[mudwhistle]

Under today's political climate Biden did what was necessary. Bravo.


"A surefire politics of change would necessarily involve getting people in the middle — from the 30th to the 70th percentile — to see their own economic self-interest. If they vote in their own self-interest, they’ll elect people who are likely to be more aligned with people with lower incomes as well as with them. As long as people in the middle identify more with people on the top than with those on the bottom, we are doomed. The obscene amount of money flowing into the electoral process makes things harder yet." Peter Edelman http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/opinion/sunday/why-cant-we-end-poverty-in-america.html

Only a partisan liked what Biden did.

Independents were appalled.

 

[bripat9643]

Ryan lost the debate the minute Biden pointed out that he wrote two letters trying to grab stimulus funds for his district...

Ryan just stood there like a stuffed poodle.

Ryan lost the debate only in libturd LA-LA land. When the federal government has a pot of money to hand out, any Congressman who doesn't try to get a fair share for his district is guilty of dereliction of duty. That isn't hypocrisy any more than voting Republican is hypocritical if you are collecting Social Security. Ever liberal moron believes that anyone who doesn't support Democrat socialist spending boondoggles isn't entitled to receive the benefits. That's a Stalinist conception of government, and supporting it is the sure sign that you're a moron.

 

[JoeB131]

Ryan lost the debate the minute Biden pointed out that he wrote two letters trying to grab stimulus funds for his district...

Ryan just stood there like a stuffed poodle.

Ryan lost the debate only in libturd LA-LA land. When the federal government has a pot of money to hand out, any Congressman who doesn't try to get a fair share for his district is guilty of dereliction of duty. That isn't hypocrisy any more than voting Republican is hypocritical if you are collecting Social Security. Ever liberal moron believes that anyone who doesn't support Democrat socialist spending boondoggles isn't entitled to receive the benefits. That's a Stalinist conception of government, and supporting it is the sure sign that you're a moron.

No, sorry, guy, it is hypocrisy.

If you think the government spends too much, you don't try to grab some of that money like someone on a game show.

I've said, I think that we need to reduce spending and increase taxes to get the debt under control. And we need to spend more efficiently.

But when phonies like Ryan rush out there and try to grab stuff for his district, instead of maybe where the money might do some good, then he's part of the hypocrisy.

 

[bripat9643]

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I think I'm just expecting too much from politicians. Mature, civil behavior went out the window a long time ago, and I'm just out of sync with this stuff.

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You should probably read the transcrpits of the Lincoln Douglas debates... They made what happened last night seem like a Tea Party. And, no, not that kind of TEA Party.

Once again, Joe proves he's just an ignorant blowhard that doesn't know jack.

Look, Obama tried to do the "civil debate' thing, and frankly, everyone jumped all over him for it. The Left for him not being aggressive enough, and the right for him just being Obama.

Obama lost because he can't run on his record. The facts all run against him. It has nothing to do with being "aggressive." That's purely a libturd meme.

I don't mind seeing a little fire. I don't mind seeing both sides called on their bullshit.

So "fire" is the libturd euphemism meaning you're an obnoxious rude asshole?

 

[Newby]

Biden when he's on is pretty formiddable..he IS likeable and quick. I think he went in there with an absolute plan...to bloviate, to distract, to unnerve, to call Ryan a liar, to put out some fake stuff...

I think he main objective was to prevent Ryan from coming away a star...and I think as far as that objective goes, he did it.

I don't know, his objective could have been to cause Ryan to lose his cool and embarass himself, so if that was the goal, he didn't achieve it. For someone to stay as cool and on topic as Ryan did without reacting to either Biden's antics or his 80 some interuptions, really says a lot about Ryan's character in my opinion.