Who was the worst traitor in U.S. history?

[Mortimer]

if japanese were inprisoned but germans and italians werent it was certainly racism. because japanese were a distinct racial minority, and germans and italians are white.

 

[Mortimer]

also the nazi americans were the biggest traitors, the fascists who supported germany and still do

 

[regent]

I think he meant the part where Hitler deprived a certain class of people - based on ethnicity - of their property and liberty, removed them from their homes, and kept them in camps behind barbed wire with armed guard towers, making it clear they would be shot and killed if they attempted to leave. You know, concentration camps.

I think that's the part he meant.

That was the wrong part, but the wrong part is understandable for that time-period.

 

[Unkotare]

I think he meant the part where Hitler deprived a certain class of people - based on ethnicity - of their property and liberty, removed them from their homes, and kept them in camps behind barbed wire with armed guard towers, making it clear they would be shot and killed if they attempted to leave. You know, concentration camps.

I think that's the part he meant.

That was the wrong part, but the wrong part is understandable for that time-period.

It was never right, you shameless apologist. A real American would know that.

 

[gipper]

I think he meant the part where Hitler deprived a certain class of people - based on ethnicity - of their property and liberty, removed them from their homes, and kept them in camps behind barbed wire with armed guard towers, making it clear they would be shot and killed if they attempted to leave. You know, concentration camps.

I think that's the part he meant.

That was the wrong part, but the wrong part is understandable for that time-period.

That has to be one of the dumbest posts ever on USMB.

Not only dumb for appeasing tyranny, but also for believing that the American people were somehow different then, so imprisoning Japanese Americans was "understandable."

Wrong is wrong. There is no way to forgive or defend it.

It is actions like this, by an out of control POTUS, that needs to be roundly condemned...because if not, it will happen again. IMO it will happen again because of people like you, who accept the lies of the statist establishment.

 

[Picaro]

By that reasoning, all American citizens should be thrown into concentration camps and crime will be eliminated. What a stroke of genius! Are you really this fucking stupid?



I would ask you why, if it was such a great idea, that every AMERICAN CITIZEN or legal resident of German or Italian descent wasn't rounded up on the East Coast and thrown into concentration camps. After all, a number of them actually did turn out to be traitors (unlike the Japanese Americans who, by contrast, went on to serve in the most decorated unit in US military history fighting for the very country that FDR had hijacked). Relatively few German and Italian Americans got the FDR treatment. I would ask you, but your little pea brain might explode trying to think of a justification.

Meanwhile, in addition to the above breaking news from Tardlandia, the Peanut Gallery might like to read the essay here, which deals with the actual historical context, rather than the usual insipid blathering from hindsight (and still getting it wrong; hindsight is only '20/20' when combined with sanity), and the wrist slitting angst of assorted neurotic snivelers:

The Internment of the Ethnic Japanese in WWII -- Military Justification?

 

[regent]

I think he meant the part where Hitler deprived a certain class of people - based on ethnicity - of their property and liberty, removed them from their homes, and kept them in camps behind barbed wire with armed guard towers, making it clear they would be shot and killed if they attempted to leave. You know, concentration camps.

I think that's the part he meant.

That was the wrong part, but the wrong part is understandable for that time-period.

It was never right, you shameless apologist. A real American would know that.

One of the rules of history is to be aware of judging past values by today's values. Sabotage was always a threat but I'm not inclined to do my homework and research it, but I do know that the FBI was still warning Americans of the sabotage threat as late as 1945.
Of course living today we now seem to have all the answers to all the past questions.

 

[gipper]

By that reasoning, all American citizens should be thrown into concentration camps and crime will be eliminated. What a stroke of genius! Are you really this fucking stupid?



I would ask you why, if it was such a great idea, that every AMERICAN CITIZEN or legal resident of German or Italian descent wasn't rounded up on the East Coast and thrown into concentration camps. After all, a number of them actually did turn out to be traitors (unlike the Japanese Americans who, by contrast, went on to serve in the most decorated unit in US military history fighting for the very country that FDR had hijacked). Relatively few German and Italian Americans got the FDR treatment. I would ask you, but your little pea brain might explode trying to think of a justification.

Meanwhile, in addition to the above breaking news from Tardlandia, the Peanut Gallery might like to read the essay here, which deals with the actual historical context, rather than the usual insipid blathering from hindsight (and still getting it wrong; hindsight is only '20/20' when combined with sanity), and the wrist slitting angst of assorted neurotic snivelers:

The Internment of the Ethnic Japanese in WWII -- Military Justification?

What FDR did was wrong. It was wrong then. No appeasing his actions by citing 20/20 hindsight.

Had FDR not been a dictatorial scumbag, but a man who honored and abided by the Constitution, he would have done the just thing.

This does a nice job of explaining it...

Japanese Americans, Internment, Democracy, and the U.S. Government

By Ryan McMaken
Friday, February 21st, 2014
February 19 is the Day of Remembrance for those who wish to recall that on February 19, 1942, President Franklin Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9066 authorizing military personnel to lock American of Japanese descent in concentration camps that are often euphemistically called “internment camps.”

The internment of the Japanese Americans is one of our greatest examples of how majority rule functions in a democracy. Fueled by the usual war hysteria so often and enthusiastically propagated by the American voter, Roosevelt’s government was virtually unrestrained in its wartime powers, and it’s drive to jail innocent Japanese civilians was not just national, but international in scope.

As Rothbard noted in an article on Peru, the American government wasn’t content with merely jailing Americans. No, it was important to actually import people destined for the concentration camps:

The first Japanese were imported into Peru at the end of the 19th century to work as slaves on the coastal sugar plantations. The Japanese, however, rebelled within weeks, and moved to Lima, where they are now located. Fujimori’s parents emigrated to Lima in the mid-1930s where his father, along with other Japanese, created hundreds of successful small businesses.

After Pearl Harbor, the U.S. government pressured Peru to go to war with Japan, to confiscate Japanese-owned businesses, including the elder Fujimori’s tire repair shop, and to ship almost 1,500 Japanese to internment in the U.S. Hence, the Peruvian Indians’ embrace of Fujimori as a fellow non-white rising up against the Criollos. The fact that Fujimori’s immigrant mother does not speak Spanish works in his favor with the Inca masses, who don’t speak Spanish either; Spanish is the language of Vargas Llosa and the Criollo conquerors.


In California, where the Japanese Americans, like the Japanese Peruvians, were treated like dirt, they set up a large number of highly-successful small business (most notably in small-scale agriculture and plant nurseries). In both cases, the success of the Japanese merely made the whites jealous, and the middle-class Anglos in California decided to wage class warfare on the Japanese immigrants in the early 20th century and passed a series of laws designed to outlaw Japanese-owned businesses. Fortunately, many of their plans failed. But when the opportunity came to ship the competition off to concentration camps, who would complain?

Camps helped cripple Japanese business well beyond the end of the war, since as Douglas Carey noted: “Over 110,000 Japanese civilians were detained in this way. Not one of them had been accused of any crime. After the war was over, the majority of those detained went home to find their property looted and destroyed.”

In a democracy, this is of course a win-win situation for the majority. The democratic system ensured that the Japanese, as a small minority, possessed virtually no political power either on the West coast or nationally, and were therefore at the mercy of the state. The few politicians who provided even mild resistance to stripping the Japanese of all rights, such as Colorado governor Ralph Carr, were promptly voted out of office.

The U.S. Government has never repudiated the legal principle behind concentration camps, and maintains the legal right to use them again. Often, when libertarians or others point out that the United States is not a free country, the defenders of the status quo point to the fact that people can vote. This magical talisman held out by government apologists, known as “the vote” doesn’t seem to have worked out very well for the Japanese Americans during World War II, who also had “the vote.”
Japanese Americans, Internment, Democracy, and the U.S. Government :: The Mises Economics Blog: The Circle Bastiat

 

[Picaro]

What FDR did was wrong. It was wrong then. No appeasing his actions by citing 20/20 hindsight.

Had FDR not been a dictatorial scumbag, but a man who honored and abided by the Constitution, he would have done the just thing.[/QUOTE]

It must be truly horrifying knowing you are just so special and all knowing that no matter what era you born in you would never be susceptible to the prevailing standards of the day.

In any case, less than half of Japanese in the U.S. were relocated, some 150,000 remained in the Hawaiian Islands, and FDR was just fine, which is why he was elected three times, so I guess you'll just have to take lots and lots of Prozac to get through the days ahead, since history isn't going to change just because you don't like it.

 

[bendog]

What FDR did was wrong. It was wrong then. No appeasing his actions by citing 20/20 hindsight.

Had FDR not been a dictatorial scumbag, but a man who honored and abided by the Constitution, he would have done the just thing.[/QUOTE]

It must be truly horrifying knowing you are just so special and all knowing that no matter what era you born in you would never be susceptible to the prevailing standards of the day.

In any case, less than half of Japanese in the U.S. were relocated, some 150,000 remained in the Hawaiian Islands, and FDR was just fine, which is why he was elected three times, so I guess you'll just have to take lots and lots of Prozac to get through the days ahead, since history isn't going to change just because you don't like it.

4X, I think. 32, 36, 40 and 44.

 

[Unkotare]

By that reasoning, all American citizens should be thrown into concentration camps and crime will be eliminated. What a stroke of genius! Are you really this fucking stupid?



I would ask you why, if it was such a great idea, that every AMERICAN CITIZEN or legal resident of German or Italian descent wasn't rounded up on the East Coast and thrown into concentration camps. After all, a number of them actually did turn out to be traitors (unlike the Japanese Americans who, by contrast, went on to serve in the most decorated unit in US military history fighting for the very country that FDR had hijacked). Relatively few German and Italian Americans got the FDR treatment. I would ask you, but your little pea brain might explode trying to think of a justification.

Meanwhile,...the Peanut Gallery might like to read the essay here...

No "essay" can change the facts, you dimwit, including the FACT that you are an unAmerican apologist for tyranny.

 

[Unkotare]

What FDR did was wrong. It was wrong then. No appeasing his actions by citing 20/20 hindsight.

Had FDR not been a dictatorial scumbag, but a man who honored and abided by the Constitution, he would have done the just thing.[/QUOTE]

It must be truly horrifying knowing you are just so special and all knowing that no matter what era you born in you would never be susceptible to the prevailing standards of the day.

In any case, less than half of Japanese in the U.S. were relocated, some 150,000 remained in the Hawaiian Islands, and FDR was just fine, which is why he was elected three times, so I guess you'll just have to take lots and lots of Prozac to get through the days ahead, since history isn't going to change just because you don't like it.

4X, I think. 32, 36, 40 and 44.

Until he finally took the express elevator to hell.

 

[Unkotare]

[...I'm not inclined to do my homework and research it....

Clearly you are not. Nor are you "inclined" to learn from those who have done their homework. Relying on specious excuses and logical fallacy is so much easier...

 

[PredFan]

Barack Hussein Obama.

 

[gipper]

What FDR did was wrong. It was wrong then. No appeasing his actions by citing 20/20 hindsight.

Had FDR not been a dictatorial scumbag, but a man who honored and abided by the Constitution, he would have done the just thing.[/QUOTE]

It must be truly horrifying knowing you are just so special and all knowing that no matter what era you born in you would never be susceptible to the prevailing standards of the day.

In any case, less than half of Japanese in the U.S. were relocated, some 150,000 remained in the Hawaiian Islands, and FDR was just fine, which is why he was elected three times, so I guess you'll just have to take lots and lots of Prozac to get through the days ahead, since history isn't going to change just because you don't like it.

4X, I think. 32, 36, 40 and 44.

Yeah he was elected four times, so fools conclude he must be GREAT...and thus excuse his numerous tyrannical and deceitful actions.

 

[gipper]

What FDR did was wrong. It was wrong then. No appeasing his actions by citing 20/20 hindsight.

Had FDR not been a dictatorial scumbag, but a man who honored and abided by the Constitution, he would have done the just thing.[/QUOTE]

It must be truly horrifying knowing you are just so special and all knowing that no matter what era you born in you would never be susceptible to the prevailing standards of the day.

In any case, less than half of Japanese in the U.S. were relocated, some 150,000 remained in the Hawaiian Islands, and FDR was just fine, which is why he was elected three times, so I guess you'll just have to take lots and lots of Prozac to get through the days ahead, since history isn't going to change just because you don't like it.

Wrong again.

Just follow the rule of law. It is just that simple.

What you need to do is evaluate the entirety of FDR's time as POTUS. For starters, his administration was overrun with commies, who took orders from FDR's BFF...Stalin. Extraordinary....that not one commie was rounded up and interned during the war, for the spying for the USSR.

Plus few Germans and Italians were rounded up and interned...

The press and the state DEMONIZED the Japanese with unbelievable racist hatred...making it easy for FDR to round them up. Anyone who spoke out about the injustice, was destroyed by the State. A real leader stands for the rule of law and justice...a scumbag does not.

To say nothing of FDR's deceitful efforts to set Japan up for the attack on Pearl. He knew about it before it happened and refused to warn the commanders, then scapegoated them. He then demanded unconditional surrender, resulting in huge death tolls for Japan and the USA. He ignored surrender overtures by Japan, which began as early as 1943.

When you look at the entire picture, it is most ugly for your beloved FDR.

 

[regent]

[...I'm not inclined to do my homework and research it....

Clearly you are not. Nor are you "inclined" to learn from those who have done their homework. Relying on specious excuses and logical fallacy is so much easier...

I was in a history class when we did a quick study of this event. It is much more than we see on these boards, the hostility of the farmers in California, the Daughters of the Golden West and others including DeWitt, even the hostility of the California government toward the Japanese Americans was pretty overwhelming. In short many wanted the Japanese to leave California.
America also had to believe that sabotage was a possibility. Today, on these boards we could be posting as to why FDR, with so many Japanese on the west coast didn't take proper measures to prevent sabotage. Who knew then what posters know today.
But also at the time the plight of the Japanese-Americans was secondary to America's larger problem, a major war. And can you believe that major war seemed even larger than the childish whining we hear in the background.

 

[Unkotare]

And the shameless apologist continues to throw away any scraps of character and morality he might ever have had.

 

[regent]

And the shameless apologist continues to throw away any scraps of character and morality he might ever have had.

It always comes back to personal attack doesn't it, which is a sign of what?

 

[S.J.]

What FDR did was wrong. It was wrong then. No appeasing his actions by citing 20/20 hindsight.

Had FDR not been a dictatorial scumbag, but a man who honored and abided by the Constitution, he would have done the just thing.[/QUOTE]

It must be truly horrifying knowing you are just so special and all knowing that no matter what era you born in you would never be susceptible to the prevailing standards of the day.

In any case, less than half of Japanese in the U.S. were relocated, some 150,000 remained in the Hawaiian Islands, and FDR was just fine, which is why he was elected three times, so I guess you'll just have to take lots and lots of Prozac to get through the days ahead, since history isn't going to change just because you don't like it.

Wrong again.

Just follow the rule of law. It is just that simple.

What you need to do is evaluate the entirety of FDR's time as POTUS. For starters, his administration was overrun with commies, who took orders from FDR's BFF...Stalin. Extraordinary....that not one commie was rounded up and interned during the war, for the spying for the USSR.

Plus few Germans and Italians were rounded up and interned...

The press and the state DEMONIZED the Japanese with unbelievable racist hatred...making it easy for FDR to round them up. Anyone who spoke out about the injustice, was destroyed by the State. A real leader stands for the rule of law and justice...a scumbag does not.

To say nothing of FDR's deceitful efforts to set Japan up for the attack on Pearl. He knew about it before it happened and refused to warn the commanders, then scapegoated them. He then demanded unconditional surrender, resulting in huge death tolls for Japan and the USA. He ignored surrender overtures by Japan, which began as early as 1943.

When you look at the entire picture, it is most ugly for your beloved FDR.

I'm no FDR fan but I think the hatred for the Japanese might have had something to do with the cowardly attack on PEARL HARBOR!!! Yeah, the Germans were the enemy too but they didn't launch a sneak attack on us the way the nips did. But I do agree that FDR was a communist scumfuck (but not as bad as Obama).