Who really cares?

[mudwhistle]

Clare Algar is a high-powered British attorney who heads up "Reprieve" and does a lot of intercontinental litigation and European Civil litigation. She writes as a guest for a number of newspapers and magazines, not just the Guardian.

She is hardly a left-wing blogger. Learn to crawl out of your bubble a little more often.

Google and just a smidge of thirst for learning could really become your best friends, if you just let it happen.

Come on, she has an agenda and its certainly not right leaning.

Do you believe every thing you read ?

No, but you do have to apply a little common sense.

If Khalid was waterboarded in 2002 or 2003, it would not have taken 8 years for his information to pan out.

In reality, Khalid told interrogators that the Courier was no one important, when in fact, he was the link between Bin Laden and the rest of the organization.

If he told them the courier wasn't important I'd focus attention on him. Denying his importance raises a red flag.

Sometimes it takes years for Intel to pan out and sometimes it pans out immediately. It depends on the target.

 

[TemplarKormac]

First off, those laws and regulations were passed after Nixon left office.

Secondly, you didn't address the wrong and illegal acts this country committed against Iran. By the way, Achmadinejad is no longer in office.

Third, I am not wrong and the Obama administration NEVER introduced guns into the mix. That's unlike the Bush administration which introduced guns with tracking devices. Those tracking devices were easily found by the way.

First off Stat said "during the Nixon Administration." Learn to read.

Second, it doesn't matter what we did. If you're threatening to wipe an entire country off the face of the world, it simply doesn't matter. You must be stopped. But someone like you would use our transgressions to somehow justify the elimination of Israel. Smooth move slick.

Thirdly, you are wrong, beginning in Fast and Furious on Oct 2009, 1,961 firearms were walked across the border. Additionally, Obama had to evade being prosecuted for this by invoking executive privilege. Sounds like the machinations of a culprit, Sallow.

A Review of ATF's Operation Fast and Furious and Related Matters (Page 215)

Whut?!?!?!?

Where did I write that? hmmmmmm....... certainly not in a recent posting, not that I know of.... can you help me there?

Gah! I got you two mixed up. Sallow said it, not you. This all nighter is kicking my tail.

 

[mudwhistle]

No, but you do have to apply a little common sense.

If Khalid was waterboarded in 2002 or 2003, it would not have taken 8 years for his information to pan out.

In reality, Khalid told interrogators that the Courier was no one important, when in fact, he was the link between Bin Laden and the rest of the organization.

Wow, so you were in the room when he was waterboarded and heard exactly what he said,

BTW, Courier was a tennis player in the 80s and 90s. first name Jim.

What these liberals fail to understand is that you don't give the tip of the spear the credit for killing the target, you credit the man who threw it. Obama was nothing but the tip of a thrown spear. Bush thew that spear in 2002. Let them chew on that.

The tip was playing Spades.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Wow, so you were in the room when he was waterboarded and heard exactly what he said,

BTW, Courier was a tennis player in the 80s and 90s. first name Jim.

What these liberals fail to understand is that you don't give the tip of the spear the credit for killing the target, you credit the man who threw it. Obama was nothing but the tip of a thrown spear. Bush thew that spear in 2002. Let them chew on that.

The tip was playing Spades.

True.

 

[Sallow]

Actually it would have. Our aerial bombardments were nearly dead on in 2001 after the attacks, Osama Bin Laden proceeded to elude officials for the next 10 years. But hey, that courier was a "nobody" right? Wrong. He led us right to Bin Laden. You didn't think the courier would simply walk us up to Bin Laden's front door, did you? Brilliant stratagem on the part of the CIA.

It was "Brilliant stratagem" on the part of the Obama administration to put together a Bin Laden unit focused on searching for Bin Laden in Pakistan..as he said he would do in the Debates which you folks laughed at..

Bin Laden is dead now..as is the laughter of you folks. Now all you do is "scoff".

The Truth is..that Bush let Bin Laden go.

Obama deep sixed him.

Nope, the TRUTH is that Clinton let him go---before 9/11, and Bush era intel allowed Obama to find him.

Yes, obama authorized the hit and he gets credit for that.

Clinton didn't let Bin Laden go. The conservatives wouldn't authorize a special ops hunter killer team to get him. They left him with missiles.

And there was no "Bush Era" intel. That is a load of bullshit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html?_r=0

That's what happened.

Bin Laden was a Bush family friend.

 

[Statistikhengst]

First off Stat said "during the Nixon Administration." Learn to read.

Second, it doesn't matter what we did. If you're threatening to wipe an entire country off the face of the world, it simply doesn't matter. You must be stopped. But someone like you would use our transgressions to somehow justify the elimination of Israel. Smooth move slick.

Thirdly, you are wrong, beginning in Fast and Furious on Oct 2009, 1,961 firearms were walked across the border. Additionally, Obama had to evade being prosecuted for this by invoking executive privilege. Sounds like the machinations of a culprit, Sallow.

A Review of ATF's Operation Fast and Furious and Related Matters (Page 215)

Whut?!?!?!?

Where did I write that? hmmmmmm....... certainly not in a recent posting, not that I know of.... can you help me there?

Gah! I got you two mixed up. Sallow said it, not you. This all nighter is kicking my tail.

No biggie. The earth (well, the round one) is still rotating and revolving...

 

[Statistikhengst]

Wow, so you were in the room when he was waterboarded and heard exactly what he said,

BTW, Courier was a tennis player in the 80s and 90s. first name Jim.

What these liberals fail to understand is that you don't give the tip of the spear the credit for killing the target, you credit the man who threw it. Obama was nothing but the tip of a thrown spear. Bush thew that spear in 2002. Let them chew on that.

The tip was playing Spades.

Proof, or just wet-dreaming?

 

[Sallow]

Your entire premise died for this point with the utterance of the words "witch hunt." You strangely have an obsession with Issa. Is this an attack on the facts the investigation revealed, or on the man himself?



You're going on a wild goose chase. Yet another attack on Issa, without so much as a modicum of fact. First, depending on when those laws were passed during the Nixon Administration, they didn't stop him (Nixon) from pressuring the IRS Secretary to audit people on his enemies list. Second, whether these employees were Bush appointees or not is irrelevant. This happened on Obama's watch, the IRS specifically targeted conservative groups and what the IRS did does not comport with the law. Has Obama done anything about that? It appears he did.



I will complain with the best of them. Regulation is fine, but this amount of regulation is absurd. There comes a point when so much regulation can cause the result you intend to avoid. The amount of government meddling into the banking sector is doing more harm than good.



That's all well and good, but when Iran's president stands before the entire UN and threatens to eliminate Israel, you would question the country's need to have nukes in the first place. Case in point.

In New York, defiant Ahmadinejad says Israel will be eliminated | Reuters



Actually you're wrong. Operation Fast and Furious was launched on October 31, 2009 and ended in 2011. Wide Receiver took place in 2006 and ended in September 2007. Your chronology is questionable at best. If the Obama Administration never gave guns to cartels, why did it work so hard to suppress any knowledge of it? They went about targeting whistleblowers and sealing official records of the Operation. Lastly, Obama falsely claimed that Fast and Furious began under the previous administration, when in reality it was launched 9 months into his presidency:

President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program ?Begun Under the Previous Administration? - ABC News

And you say we are challenged with reality?

First off, those laws and regulations were passed after Nixon left office.

Secondly, you didn't address the wrong and illegal acts this country committed against Iran. By the way, Achmadinejad is no longer in office.

Third, I am not wrong and the Obama administration NEVER introduced guns into the mix. That's unlike the Bush administration which introduced guns with tracking devices. Those tracking devices were easily found by the way.

First off YOU said "during the Nixon Administration." Learn to read.

Second, it doesn't matter what we did. If you're threatening to wipe an entire country off the face of the world, it simply doesn't matter. You must be stopped. But someone like you would use our transgressions to somehow justify the elimination of Israel. Smooth move slick.

Thirdly, you are wrong, beginning in Fast and Furious on Oct 2009, 1,961 firearms were walked across the border. Additionally, Obama had to evade being prosecuted for this by invoking executive privilege. Sounds like the machinations of a culprit, Sallow.

A Review of ATF's Operation Fast and Furious and Related Matters (Page 215)

Learn to read what? I posted the laws and regulations were passed after Nixon left office.

Second, Iran has never attacked Israel. The opposite is NOT true by the way. Israel HAS attacked Iran. Additionally it's participated in assassination of Iranian Scientists.

Operation Opera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And again, there were NO GUNS introduced by the government in FAST AND FURIOUS.

None, zero, zip. And those sales still go on today.

 

[TemplarKormac]

First off, those laws and regulations were passed after Nixon left office.

Secondly, you didn't address the wrong and illegal acts this country committed against Iran. By the way, Achmadinejad is no longer in office.

Third, I am not wrong and the Obama administration NEVER introduced guns into the mix. That's unlike the Bush administration which introduced guns with tracking devices. Those tracking devices were easily found by the way.

First off YOU said "during the Nixon Administration." Learn to read.

Second, it doesn't matter what we did. If you're threatening to wipe an entire country off the face of the world, it simply doesn't matter. You must be stopped. But someone like you would use our transgressions to somehow justify the elimination of Israel. Smooth move slick.

Thirdly, you are wrong, beginning in Fast and Furious on Oct 2009, 1,961 firearms were walked across the border. Additionally, Obama had to evade being prosecuted for this by invoking executive privilege. Sounds like the machinations of a culprit, Sallow.

A Review of ATF's Operation Fast and Furious and Related Matters (Page 215)

Learn to read what? I posted the laws and regulations were passed after Nixon left office.

Second, Iran has never attacked Israel. The opposite is NOT true by the way. Israel HAS attacked Iran. Additionally it's participated in assassination of Iranian Scientists.

Operation Opera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And again, there were NO GUNS introduced by the government in FAST AND FURIOUS.

None, zero, zip. And those sales still go on today.

And Osirak is going to prove what exactly? That we should kill Jews and take their land from them or something? And um, you really, really do need to learn how to read. The Osirak reactor was located in Baghdad, Iraq, not Iran. Nice geography fail, Sallow. You're finished. Iran never attacked Israel, and Israel never attacked Iran.

As far as the gunrunning is concerned, if you read that report, 1,961 guns were sold to cartels amounting to $1,435,978 in sales. So, once again, you're wrong.

 

[mudwhistle]

What these liberals fail to understand is that you don't give the tip of the spear the credit for killing the target, you credit the man who threw it. Obama was nothing but the tip of a thrown spear. Bush thew that spear in 2002. Let them chew on that.

The tip was playing Spades.

Proof, or just wet-dreaming?

A statement from somebody who was with him at the time.

Obama was no expert on military tactics. He chose to wait in that manner. He deligated his duties to others, which usually does. Look up his executive actions and you'll see a pattern.

 

[candycorn]

No, but you do have to apply a little common sense.

If Khalid was waterboarded in 2002 or 2003, it would not have taken 8 years for his information to pan out.

In reality, Khalid told interrogators that the Courier was no one important, when in fact, he was the link between Bin Laden and the rest of the organization.

Wow, so you were in the room when he was waterboarded and heard exactly what he said,

BTW, Courier was a tennis player in the 80s and 90s. first name Jim.

What these liberals fail to understand is that you don't give the tip of the spear the credit for killing the target, you credit the man who threw it. Obama was nothing but the tip of a thrown spear. Bush thew that spear in 2002. Let them chew on that.

So...what Bush did in 2007 is something we can't talk about (i.e. TARP for example)because it paints Dubya in a bad light but if it happens to have had a positive outcome, Bush gets credit for something that happens 10 years later.

And you wonder why people point at you guys and laugh.

 

[Redfish]

It was "Brilliant stratagem" on the part of the Obama administration to put together a Bin Laden unit focused on searching for Bin Laden in Pakistan..as he said he would do in the Debates which you folks laughed at..

Bin Laden is dead now..as is the laughter of you folks. Now all you do is "scoff".

The Truth is..that Bush let Bin Laden go.

Obama deep sixed him.

Nope, the TRUTH is that Clinton let him go---before 9/11, and Bush era intel allowed Obama to find him.

Yes, obama authorized the hit and he gets credit for that.

Clinton didn't let Bin Laden go. The conservatives wouldn't authorize a special ops hunter killer team to get him. They left him with missiles.

And there was no "Bush Era" intel. That is a load of bullshit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html?_r=0

That's what happened.

Bin Laden was a Bush family friend.

Clinton was CIC, he did not need anyones approval to grab OBL when Sudan offered him up. He let him go and then 9/11 happened. Sorry, shallow, but thats the way it happened.

The intel that allowed us to find and hit OBL was the result of efforts that began when Bush was in office. To Obama's credit, he did not stop them and we got the murdering muslim bastard.

Bin Laden was not a Bush family friend------that is one of your best all time lies.
The Bush's were, and are, friendly with the Saudi royal family, not Bin Laden.

 

[candycorn]

Nope, the TRUTH is that Clinton let him go---before 9/11, and Bush era intel allowed Obama to find him.

Yes, obama authorized the hit and he gets credit for that.

Clinton didn't let Bin Laden go. The conservatives wouldn't authorize a special ops hunter killer team to get him. They left him with missiles.

And there was no "Bush Era" intel. That is a load of bullshit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html?_r=0

That's what happened.

Bin Laden was a Bush family friend.

Clinton was CIC, he did not need anyones approval to grab OBL when Sudan offered him up. He let him go and then 9/11 happened. Sorry, shallow, but thats the way it happened.

The intel that allowed us to find and hit OBL was the result of efforts that began when Bush was in office. To Obama's credit, he did not stop them and we got the murdering muslim bastard.

Bin Laden was not a Bush family friend------that is one of your best all time lies.
The Bush's were, and are, friendly with the Saudi royal family, not Bin Laden.

And the Saudi Royal Family only has the best interests of the Americans at heart. This is the logic contortionists you have to be to call yourself a Conservative.

 

[candycorn]

The tip was playing Spades.

Proof, or just wet-dreaming?

A statement from somebody who was with him at the time.

Obama was no expert on military tactics. He chose to wait in that manner. He deligated his duties to others, which usually does. Look up his executive actions and you'll see a pattern.

Really, who?

 

[JoeB131]

Come on, she has an agenda and its certainly not right leaning.

Do you believe every thing you read ?

No, but you do have to apply a little common sense.

If Khalid was waterboarded in 2002 or 2003, it would not have taken 8 years for his information to pan out.

In reality, Khalid told interrogators that the Courier was no one important, when in fact, he was the link between Bin Laden and the rest of the organization.

Actually it would have. Our aerial bombardments were nearly dead on in 2001 after the attacks, Osama Bin Laden proceeded to elude officials for the next 10 years. But hey, that courier was a "nobody" right? Wrong. He led us right to Bin Laden. You didn't think the courier would simply walk us up to Bin Laden's front door, did you? Brilliant stratagem on the part of the CIA.

Okay, try to follow the bouncing ball, Tampon.

We captured Khalid in 2002. We waterboarded the guy. Then we asked him a bunch of questions and one of the topics that came up was the Courier. The guy's name was Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti. Khalid said he was no one important.

Maybe he didn't know how important the guy was.
Maybe he lied.
Maybe he became more important after Khalid and others were captured or killed.

Regardless...

The senator (McCain) continued: “In fact, not only did the use of ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ on Khalid Shaikh Mohammed not provide us with key leads on Bin Laden’s courier, Abu Ahmed; it actually produced false and misleading information. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed specifically told his interrogators that Abu Ahmed had moved to Peshawar, got married, and ceased his role as an Al Qaeda facilitator – which was not true, as we now know. All we learned about Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti through the use of waterboarding and other ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ against Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was the confirmation of the already known fact that the courier existed and used an alias.

John McCain: Abusive interrogation didn't yield trail to Osama bin Laden - Los Angeles Times

 

[mudwhistle]

Wow, so you were in the room when he was waterboarded and heard exactly what he said,

BTW, Courier was a tennis player in the 80s and 90s. first name Jim.

What these liberals fail to understand is that you don't give the tip of the spear the credit for killing the target, you credit the man who threw it. Obama was nothing but the tip of a thrown spear. Bush thew that spear in 2002. Let them chew on that.

So...what Bush did in 2007 is something we can't talk about (i.e. TARP for example)because it paints Dubya in a bad light but if it happens to have had a positive outcome, Bush gets credit for something that happens 10 years later.

And you wonder why people point at you guys and laugh.

He gets all of the blame he should get all of the credit too.