Who really cares?

[TemplarKormac]

Who cares about how 4 embassy employees in Benghazi who were killed by rebels that the Obama administration armed.

Who cares about the IRS targeting every rightwing talk show host or PAC that donates to conservatives.

Who cares that the DoJ is shaking down banks, insurance companies, and big businesses for cash through lawsuits.

Who cares that guns the Obama Administration gave to drug cartels are still turning up at crime scenes along the border.

Who cares that the Administration refuses to enforce our laws or enforces them selectively.

Who cares that our government has brought down several dictators in the Middle East and allowed Islamic radicals to take over in their place.

Who cares that not only is the Administration allowing Iran, our mortal enemy, to continue building nukes, but they're also scaring everyone else in the region into wanting them for their own defense, seeing as how they can't count on us to protect them anymore.

Obama likes the fact that more are not working than in the last 30 years. For every job created last month 5 people dropped out of the workforce and cannot be counted as part of the ever growing terminally unemployed. Obama sees this as progress, a strong economy, strengthening the Middle-Class. He claims that unemployment is good for the economy. His primary concern isn't that more aren't working but that they aren't all making the same income. He says that his website isn't indicative of the mess his administration has become. The fact that not only can't he be trusted to keep his promises but even when he does do what he says he'll do it always turns into a hassle to everyone involved.

Who cares that with every new rule or regulation the costs of running a business goes up astronomically and the costs to the consumer goes up as well. Who cares that the EPA is intentionally driving the costs of energy through the roof.

Who cares.

The worst thing you could do is hold up traffic in NYC. This is the worst thing you can ever do. This is just the tip of the iceberg folks. More will come out about this, they promise us. This is one seriously huge scandal of all scandals. Somebody cause a traffic jam on the GWB and people died, or at least probably died. This can't happen in America. But when it comes to national security and the stagnant economy. Who cares.

1. One year after 9/11 and investigation took place into what went wrong. The 9/11 commission took several months to end and recommended several things take place. This generated the Department of Homeland Security and a vast array of new security protocols. Like them or hate them there was a finality to it.

Benghazi? Almost immediately there was an "investigation". Almost all classified documents submitted to Issa were leaked to the press. This led to the discovery that the CIA was maintaining an outpost in the consulate, that they may have been keeping prisoners and led to the resignation of Daniel Petraeus. Additionally, the committee under Issa refuses to review any evidence that contradicts his conclusions. This investigation has continued for more than a year, has not reached any conclusions or made any recommendations. In other words, it's an open ended witch hunt.

2. The IRS employees involved in this "scandal" were Bush appointees. Couple that with regulations and laws adopted during the Nixon administration which prohibit interaction between the President and the IRS as well the fact that "Citizen's United" opened up a new avenue for funneling of money into political campaigns and you have multiple reasons why these procedures were adopted. One of the things that came out in the investigation is the fact that PACs who engage in politics are breaking the law. The law and IRS regulations do not comport. Has Issa done anything about that? Nope. Another open ended witch hunt.

3. Banks and Financial institutions were re-capitalized on the tax payers dime after pulling one of the biggest fiascoes in history. They came very close to collapsing the economy of the entire world. For anyone to complain about new regulations is disgusting.

4. Iran is "our mortal enemy" why? Because we (The US) manufactured a coup in their country and undid a Democratic election? Because we subjected them to the misery of a brutal shah and a deadly secret police? Because we backed a bloodthirsty dictator, Saddam Hussien, and gave him Chemical Weapons to wage war on Iran? After all these things, what country would NOT seek nukes to defend itself?

5. The Obama administration NEVER gave guns to Drug Cartels. That was the Bush administration during operations WIDE RECEIVER.

Reality isn't the strong point of you folks.

1. One year after 9/11 and investigation took place into what went wrong. The 9/11 commission took several months to end and recommended several things take place. This generated the Department of Homeland Security and a vast array of new security protocols. Like them or hate them there was a finality to it.

Benghazi? Almost immediately there was an "investigation". Almost all classified documents submitted to Issa were leaked to the press. This led to the discovery that the CIA was maintaining an outpost in the consulate, that they may have been keeping prisoners and led to the resignation of Daniel Petraeus. Additionally, the committee under Issa refuses to review any evidence that contradicts his conclusions. This investigation has continued for more than a year, has not reached any conclusions or made any recommendations. In other words, it's an open ended witch hunt.

Your entire premise died for this point with the utterance of the words "witch hunt." You strangely have an obsession with Issa. Is this an attack on the facts the investigation revealed, or on the man himself?

2. The IRS employees involved in this "scandal" were Bush appointees. Couple that with regulations and laws adopted during the Nixon administration which prohibit interaction between the President and the IRS as well the fact that "Citizen's United" opened up a new avenue for funneling of money into political campaigns and you have multiple reasons why these procedures were adopted. One of the things that came out in the investigation is the fact that PACs who engage in politics are breaking the law. The law and IRS regulations do not comport. Has Issa done anything about that? Nope. Another open ended witch hunt.

You're going on a wild goose chase. Yet another attack on Issa, without so much as a modicum of fact. First, depending on when those laws were passed during the Nixon Administration, they didn't stop him (Nixon) from pressuring the IRS Secretary to audit people on his enemies list. Second, whether these employees were Bush appointees or not is irrelevant. This happened on Obama's watch, the IRS specifically targeted conservative groups and what the IRS did does not comport with the law. Has Obama done anything about that? It appears he did.

3. Banks and Financial institutions were re-capitalized on the tax payers dime after pulling one of the biggest fiascoes in history. They came very close to collapsing the economy of the entire world. For anyone to complain about new regulations is disgusting.

I will complain with the best of them. Regulation is fine, but this amount of regulation is absurd. There comes a point when so much regulation can cause the result you intend to avoid. The amount of government meddling into the banking sector is doing more harm than good.

4. Iran is "our mortal enemy" why? Because we (The US) manufactured a coup in their country and undid a Democratic election? Because we subjected them to the misery of a brutal shah and a deadly secret police? Because we backed a bloodthirsty dictator, Saddam Hussien, and gave him Chemical Weapons to wage war on Iran? After all these things, what country would NOT seek nukes to defend itself?

That's all well and good, but when Iran's president stands before the entire UN and threatens to eliminate Israel, you would question the country's need to have nukes in the first place. Case in point.

In New York, defiant Ahmadinejad says Israel will be eliminated | Reuters

5. The Obama administration NEVER gave guns to Drug Cartels. That was the Bush administration during operations WIDE RECEIVER.

Actually you're wrong. Operation Fast and Furious was launched on October 31, 2009 and ended in 2011. Wide Receiver took place in 2006 and ended in September 2007. Your chronology is questionable at best. If the Obama Administration never gave guns to cartels, why did it work so hard to suppress any knowledge of it? They went about targeting whistleblowers and sealing official records of the Operation. Lastly, Obama falsely claimed that Fast and Furious began under the previous administration, when in reality it was launched 9 months into his presidency:

President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program ?Begun Under the Previous Administration? - ABC News

And you say we are challenged with reality?

 

[Statistikhengst]

Obama reluctantly authorized the hit, then went to play cards. Bush era intel found OBL, waterboarding of 3 muslim pieces of shit helped save american lives.

Now, thanks to obama, the intel gathering is gone and we can no longer get information from terrorists to prevent more american deaths.

Nice attempt to spin history but not really.

Torture did not lead us to Osama bin Laden | Clare Algar | Comment is free | theguardian.com

While AP carries this information from former intelligence officials: "[Khalid Sheikh] Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic."

Second, intelligence-gathering is never a simple case of A to B. The information leading to Bin Laden will have been drawn together from a myriad of sources – among those that have been pointed to so far are phone taps and, according to the White House, "Pakistani co-operation". A former CIA operative quoted by the BBC goes still further: "Intelligence agencies like the CIA and the US military will simply put out disinformation to protect the real sources, which could have been anything from intercepts to the Pakistani government itself."

an opinion piece by a left wing blogger is "history". Ok, sure.

Clare Algar is a high-powered British attorney who heads up "Reprieve" and does a lot of intercontinental litigation and European Civil litigation. She writes as a guest for a number of newspapers and magazines, not just the Guardian.

She is hardly a left-wing blogger. Learn to crawl out of your bubble a little more often.

Google and just a smidge of thirst for learning could really become your best friends, if you just let it happen.

 

[Redfish]

Nice attempt to spin history but not really.

Torture did not lead us to Osama bin Laden | Clare Algar | Comment is free | theguardian.com

While AP carries this information from former intelligence officials: "[Khalid Sheikh] Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic."

Second, intelligence-gathering is never a simple case of A to B. The information leading to Bin Laden will have been drawn together from a myriad of sources – among those that have been pointed to so far are phone taps and, according to the White House, "Pakistani co-operation". A former CIA operative quoted by the BBC goes still further: "Intelligence agencies like the CIA and the US military will simply put out disinformation to protect the real sources, which could have been anything from intercepts to the Pakistani government itself."

an opinion piece by a left wing blogger is "history". Ok, sure.

Clare Algar is a high-powered British attorney who heads up "Reprieve" and does a lot of intercontinental litigation and European Civil litigation. She writes as a guest for a number of newspapers and magazines, not just the Guardian.

She is hardly a left-wing blogger. Learn to crawl out of your bubble a little more often.

Google and just a smidge of thirst for learning could really become your best friends, if you just let it happen.

Come on, she has an agenda and its certainly not right leaning.

Do you believe every thing you read ?

 

[Statistikhengst]

Who cares about how 4 embassy employees in Benghazi who were killed by rebels that the Obama administration armed.

Who cares about the IRS targeting every rightwing talk show host or PAC that donates to conservatives.

Who cares that the DoJ is shaking down banks, insurance companies, and big businesses for cash through lawsuits.

Who cares that guns the Obama Administration gave to drug cartels are still turning up at crime scenes along the border.

Who cares that the Administration refuses to enforce our laws or enforces them selectively.

Who cares that our government has brought down several dictators in the Middle East and allowed Islamic radicals to take over in their place.

Who cares that not only is the Administration allowing Iran, our mortal enemy, to continue building nukes, but they're also scaring everyone else in the region into wanting them for their own defense, seeing as how they can't count on us to protect them anymore.

Obama likes the fact that more are not working than in the last 30 years. For every job created last month 5 people dropped out of the workforce and cannot be counted as part of the ever growing terminally unemployed. Obama sees this as progress, a strong economy, strengthening the Middle-Class. He claims that unemployment is good for the economy. His primary concern isn't that more aren't working but that they aren't all making the same income. He says that his website isn't indicative of the mess his administration has become. The fact that not only can't he be trusted to keep his promises but even when he does do what he says he'll do it always turns into a hassle to everyone involved.

Who cares that with every new rule or regulation the costs of running a business goes up astronomically and the costs to the consumer goes up as well. Who cares that the EPA is intentionally driving the costs of energy through the roof.

Who cares.

The worst thing you could do is hold up traffic in NYC. This is the worst thing you can ever do. This is just the tip of the iceberg folks. More will come out about this, they promise us. This is one seriously huge scandal of all scandals. Somebody cause a traffic jam on the GWB and people died, or at least probably died. This can't happen in America. But when it comes to national security and the stagnant economy. Who cares.

1. One year after 9/11 and investigation took place into what went wrong. The 9/11 commission took several months to end and recommended several things take place. This generated the Department of Homeland Security and a vast array of new security protocols. Like them or hate them there was a finality to it.

Benghazi? Almost immediately there was an "investigation". Almost all classified documents submitted to Issa were leaked to the press. This led to the discovery that the CIA was maintaining an outpost in the consulate, that they may have been keeping prisoners and led to the resignation of Daniel Petraeus. Additionally, the committee under Issa refuses to review any evidence that contradicts his conclusions. This investigation has continued for more than a year, has not reached any conclusions or made any recommendations. In other words, it's an open ended witch hunt.

2. The IRS employees involved in this "scandal" were Bush appointees. Couple that with regulations and laws adopted during the Nixon administration which prohibit interaction between the President and the IRS as well the fact that "Citizen's United" opened up a new avenue for funneling of money into political campaigns and you have multiple reasons why these procedures were adopted. One of the things that came out in the investigation is the fact that PACs who engage in politics are breaking the law. The law and IRS regulations do not comport. Has Issa done anything about that? Nope. Another open ended witch hunt.

3. Banks and Financial institutions were re-capitalized on the tax payers dime after pulling one of the biggest fiascoes in history. They came very close to collapsing the economy of the entire world. For anyone to complain about new regulations is disgusting.

4. Iran is "our mortal enemy" why? Because we (The US) manufactured a coup in their country and undid a Democratic election? Because we subjected them to the misery of a brutal shah and a deadly secret police? Because we backed a bloodthirsty dictator, Saddam Hussien, and gave him Chemical Weapons to wage war on Iran? After all these things, what country would NOT seek nukes to defend itself?

5. The Obama administration NEVER gave guns to Drug Cartels. That was the Bush administration during operations WIDE RECEIVER.

Reality isn't the strong point of you folks.

Your entire premise died for this point with the utterance of the words "witch hunt." You strangely have an obsession with Issa. Is this an attack on the facts the investigation revealed, or on the man himself?



You're going on a wild goose chase. Yet another attack on Issa, without so much as a modicum of fact. First, depending on when those laws were passed during the Nixon Administration, they didn't stop him (Nixon) from pressuring the IRS Secretary to audit people on his enemies list. Second, whether these employees were Bush appointees or not is irrelevant. This happened on Obama's watch, the IRS specifically targeted conservative groups and what the IRS did does not comport with the law. Has Obama done anything about that? It appears he did.



I will complain with the best of them. Regulation is fine, but this amount of regulation is absurd. There comes a point when so much regulation can cause the result you intend to avoid. The amount of government meddling into the banking sector is doing more harm than good.

4. Iran is "our mortal enemy" why? Because we (The US) manufactured a coup in their country and undid a Democratic election? Because we subjected them to the misery of a brutal shah and a deadly secret police? Because we backed a bloodthirsty dictator, Saddam Hussien, and gave him Chemical Weapons to wage war on Iran? After all these things, what country would NOT seek nukes to defend itself?

That's all well and good, but when Iran's president stands before the entire UN and threatens to eliminate Israel, you would question the country's need to have nukes in the first place. Case in point.

In New York, defiant Ahmadinejad says Israel will be eliminated | Reuters

5. The Obama administration NEVER gave guns to Drug Cartels. That was the Bush administration during operations WIDE RECEIVER.

Actually you're wrong. Operation Fast and Furious was launched on October 31, 2009 and ended in 2011. Wide Receiver took place in 2006 and ended in September 2007. Your chronology is questionable at best. If the Obama Administration never gave guns to cartels, why did it work so hard to suppress any knowledge of it? They went about targeting whistleblowers and sealing official records of the Operation. Lastly, Obama falsely claimed that Fast and Furious began under the previous administration, when in reality it was launched 9 months into his presidency:

President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program ?Begun Under the Previous Administration? - ABC News

And you say we are challenged with reality?

bolded, in green: good point.

The last point: the president meant that gunwalking (which should not exist at all) existed in both administrations. It also, quite obviously, existed in the Reagan administration.

 

[Statistikhengst]

an opinion piece by a left wing blogger is "history". Ok, sure.

Clare Algar is a high-powered British attorney who heads up "Reprieve" and does a lot of intercontinental litigation and European Civil litigation. She writes as a guest for a number of newspapers and magazines, not just the Guardian.

She is hardly a left-wing blogger. Learn to crawl out of your bubble a little more often.

Google and just a smidge of thirst for learning could really become your best friends, if you just let it happen.

Come on, she has an agenda and its certainly not right leaning.

Do you believe every thing you read ?

No.

I check and double check facts from multiple sources when I am researching something

Do U?

 

[Redfish]

Clare Algar is a high-powered British attorney who heads up "Reprieve" and does a lot of intercontinental litigation and European Civil litigation. She writes as a guest for a number of newspapers and magazines, not just the Guardian.

She is hardly a left-wing blogger. Learn to crawl out of your bubble a little more often.

Google and just a smidge of thirst for learning could really become your best friends, if you just let it happen.

Come on, she has an agenda and its certainly not right leaning.

Do you believe every thing you read ?

No.

I check and double check facts from multiple sources when I am researching something

Do U?

you obviously didn't on this one. and Yes, I do.

 

[JoeB131]

an opinion piece by a left wing blogger is "history". Ok, sure.

Clare Algar is a high-powered British attorney who heads up "Reprieve" and does a lot of intercontinental litigation and European Civil litigation. She writes as a guest for a number of newspapers and magazines, not just the Guardian.

She is hardly a left-wing blogger. Learn to crawl out of your bubble a little more often.

Google and just a smidge of thirst for learning could really become your best friends, if you just let it happen.

Come on, she has an agenda and its certainly not right leaning.

Do you believe every thing you read ?

No, but you do have to apply a little common sense.

If Khalid was waterboarded in 2002 or 2003, it would not have taken 8 years for his information to pan out.

In reality, Khalid told interrogators that the Courier was no one important, when in fact, he was the link between Bin Laden and the rest of the organization.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Come on, she has an agenda and its certainly not right leaning.

Do you believe every thing you read ?

No.

I check and double check facts from multiple sources when I am researching something

Do U?

you obviously didn't on this one. and Yes, I do.

Sure I did. I just didn't post everything I've read.


I bet you typed that with one hand.....

 

[Statistikhengst]

Clare Algar is a high-powered British attorney who heads up "Reprieve" and does a lot of intercontinental litigation and European Civil litigation. She writes as a guest for a number of newspapers and magazines, not just the Guardian.

She is hardly a left-wing blogger. Learn to crawl out of your bubble a little more often.

Google and just a smidge of thirst for learning could really become your best friends, if you just let it happen.

Come on, she has an agenda and its certainly not right leaning.

Do you believe every thing you read ?

No, but you do have to apply a little common sense.

If Khalid was waterboarded in 2002 or 2003, it would not have taken 8 years for his information to pan out.

In reality, Khalid told interrogators that the Courier was no one important, when in fact, he was the link between Bin Laden and the rest of the organization.

Damn you, damn you, damn you! You delivered the death blow just 5 seconds before I was about to press ENTER with the same.....

You are a god among USMBers.... Joe...

 

[TemplarKormac]

1. One year after 9/11 and investigation took place into what went wrong. The 9/11 commission took several months to end and recommended several things take place. This generated the Department of Homeland Security and a vast array of new security protocols. Like them or hate them there was a finality to it.

Benghazi? Almost immediately there was an "investigation". Almost all classified documents submitted to Issa were leaked to the press. This led to the discovery that the CIA was maintaining an outpost in the consulate, that they may have been keeping prisoners and led to the resignation of Daniel Petraeus. Additionally, the committee under Issa refuses to review any evidence that contradicts his conclusions. This investigation has continued for more than a year, has not reached any conclusions or made any recommendations. In other words, it's an open ended witch hunt.

2. The IRS employees involved in this "scandal" were Bush appointees. Couple that with regulations and laws adopted during the Nixon administration which prohibit interaction between the President and the IRS as well the fact that "Citizen's United" opened up a new avenue for funneling of money into political campaigns and you have multiple reasons why these procedures were adopted. One of the things that came out in the investigation is the fact that PACs who engage in politics are breaking the law. The law and IRS regulations do not comport. Has Issa done anything about that? Nope. Another open ended witch hunt.

3. Banks and Financial institutions were re-capitalized on the tax payers dime after pulling one of the biggest fiascoes in history. They came very close to collapsing the economy of the entire world. For anyone to complain about new regulations is disgusting.

4. Iran is "our mortal enemy" why? Because we (The US) manufactured a coup in their country and undid a Democratic election? Because we subjected them to the misery of a brutal shah and a deadly secret police? Because we backed a bloodthirsty dictator, Saddam Hussien, and gave him Chemical Weapons to wage war on Iran? After all these things, what country would NOT seek nukes to defend itself?

5. The Obama administration NEVER gave guns to Drug Cartels. That was the Bush administration during operations WIDE RECEIVER.

Reality isn't the strong point of you folks.

Your entire premise died for this point with the utterance of the words "witch hunt." You strangely have an obsession with Issa. Is this an attack on the facts the investigation revealed, or on the man himself?



You're going on a wild goose chase. Yet another attack on Issa, without so much as a modicum of fact. First, depending on when those laws were passed during the Nixon Administration, they didn't stop him (Nixon) from pressuring the IRS Secretary to audit people on his enemies list. Second, whether these employees were Bush appointees or not is irrelevant. This happened on Obama's watch, the IRS specifically targeted conservative groups and what the IRS did does not comport with the law. Has Obama done anything about that? It appears he did.



I will complain with the best of them. Regulation is fine, but this amount of regulation is absurd. There comes a point when so much regulation can cause the result you intend to avoid. The amount of government meddling into the banking sector is doing more harm than good.



That's all well and good, but when Iran's president stands before the entire UN and threatens to eliminate Israel, you would question the country's need to have nukes in the first place. Case in point.

In New York, defiant Ahmadinejad says Israel will be eliminated | Reuters

5. The Obama administration NEVER gave guns to Drug Cartels. That was the Bush administration during operations WIDE RECEIVER.

Actually you're wrong. Operation Fast and Furious was launched on October 31, 2009 and ended in 2011. Wide Receiver took place in 2006 and ended in September 2007. Your chronology is questionable at best. If the Obama Administration never gave guns to cartels, why did it work so hard to suppress any knowledge of it? They went about targeting whistleblowers and sealing official records of the Operation. Lastly, Obama falsely claimed that Fast and Furious began under the previous administration, when in reality it was launched 9 months into his presidency:

President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program ?Begun Under the Previous Administration? - ABC News

And you say we are challenged with reality?

bolded, in green: good point.

The last point: the president meant that gunwalking (which should not exist at all) existed in both administrations. It also, quite obviously, existed in the Reagan administration.

Yes well, that is a deflection nonetheless. The fact that a Justice Department under President Barack Obama took part in a gunwalking operations makes it just as bad as any of it's predecessors. It doesn't matter what Reagan did or Bush did. One is dead, the other isn't president anymore. The fact remains that the Obama Administration must be held accountable for this, not anyone else. Obama directly blamed Bush for the scandal, claiming it happened on his watch, when in reality as I mentioned before, it was launched 9 months into his first term.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Clare Algar is a high-powered British attorney who heads up "Reprieve" and does a lot of intercontinental litigation and European Civil litigation. She writes as a guest for a number of newspapers and magazines, not just the Guardian.

She is hardly a left-wing blogger. Learn to crawl out of your bubble a little more often.

Google and just a smidge of thirst for learning could really become your best friends, if you just let it happen.

Come on, she has an agenda and its certainly not right leaning.

Do you believe every thing you read ?

No, but you do have to apply a little common sense.

If Khalid was waterboarded in 2002 or 2003, it would not have taken 8 years for his information to pan out.

In reality, Khalid told interrogators that the Courier was no one important, when in fact, he was the link between Bin Laden and the rest of the organization.

Actually it would have. Our aerial bombardments were nearly dead on in 2001 after the attacks, Osama Bin Laden proceeded to elude officials for the next 10 years. But hey, that courier was a "nobody" right? Wrong. He led us right to Bin Laden. You didn't think the courier would simply walk us up to Bin Laden's front door, did you? Brilliant stratagem on the part of the CIA.

 

[Sallow]

Who cares about how 4 embassy employees in Benghazi who were killed by rebels that the Obama administration armed.

Who cares about the IRS targeting every rightwing talk show host or PAC that donates to conservatives.

Who cares that the DoJ is shaking down banks, insurance companies, and big businesses for cash through lawsuits.

Who cares that guns the Obama Administration gave to drug cartels are still turning up at crime scenes along the border.

Who cares that the Administration refuses to enforce our laws or enforces them selectively.

Who cares that our government has brought down several dictators in the Middle East and allowed Islamic radicals to take over in their place.

Who cares that not only is the Administration allowing Iran, our mortal enemy, to continue building nukes, but they're also scaring everyone else in the region into wanting them for their own defense, seeing as how they can't count on us to protect them anymore.

Obama likes the fact that more are not working than in the last 30 years. For every job created last month 5 people dropped out of the workforce and cannot be counted as part of the ever growing terminally unemployed. Obama sees this as progress, a strong economy, strengthening the Middle-Class. He claims that unemployment is good for the economy. His primary concern isn't that more aren't working but that they aren't all making the same income. He says that his website isn't indicative of the mess his administration has become. The fact that not only can't he be trusted to keep his promises but even when he does do what he says he'll do it always turns into a hassle to everyone involved.

Who cares that with every new rule or regulation the costs of running a business goes up astronomically and the costs to the consumer goes up as well. Who cares that the EPA is intentionally driving the costs of energy through the roof.

Who cares.

The worst thing you could do is hold up traffic in NYC. This is the worst thing you can ever do. This is just the tip of the iceberg folks. More will come out about this, they promise us. This is one seriously huge scandal of all scandals. Somebody cause a traffic jam on the GWB and people died, or at least probably died. This can't happen in America. But when it comes to national security and the stagnant economy. Who cares.

1. One year after 9/11 and investigation took place into what went wrong. The 9/11 commission took several months to end and recommended several things take place. This generated the Department of Homeland Security and a vast array of new security protocols. Like them or hate them there was a finality to it.

Benghazi? Almost immediately there was an "investigation". Almost all classified documents submitted to Issa were leaked to the press. This led to the discovery that the CIA was maintaining an outpost in the consulate, that they may have been keeping prisoners and led to the resignation of Daniel Petraeus. Additionally, the committee under Issa refuses to review any evidence that contradicts his conclusions. This investigation has continued for more than a year, has not reached any conclusions or made any recommendations. In other words, it's an open ended witch hunt.

2. The IRS employees involved in this "scandal" were Bush appointees. Couple that with regulations and laws adopted during the Nixon administration which prohibit interaction between the President and the IRS as well the fact that "Citizen's United" opened up a new avenue for funneling of money into political campaigns and you have multiple reasons why these procedures were adopted. One of the things that came out in the investigation is the fact that PACs who engage in politics are breaking the law. The law and IRS regulations do not comport. Has Issa done anything about that? Nope. Another open ended witch hunt.

3. Banks and Financial institutions were re-capitalized on the tax payers dime after pulling one of the biggest fiascoes in history. They came very close to collapsing the economy of the entire world. For anyone to complain about new regulations is disgusting.

4. Iran is "our mortal enemy" why? Because we (The US) manufactured a coup in their country and undid a Democratic election? Because we subjected them to the misery of a brutal shah and a deadly secret police? Because we backed a bloodthirsty dictator, Saddam Hussien, and gave him Chemical Weapons to wage war on Iran? After all these things, what country would NOT seek nukes to defend itself?

5. The Obama administration NEVER gave guns to Drug Cartels. That was the Bush administration during operations WIDE RECEIVER.

Reality isn't the strong point of you folks.

Your entire premise died for this point with the utterance of the words "witch hunt." You strangely have an obsession with Issa. Is this an attack on the facts the investigation revealed, or on the man himself?



You're going on a wild goose chase. Yet another attack on Issa, without so much as a modicum of fact. First, depending on when those laws were passed during the Nixon Administration, they didn't stop him (Nixon) from pressuring the IRS Secretary to audit people on his enemies list. Second, whether these employees were Bush appointees or not is irrelevant. This happened on Obama's watch, the IRS specifically targeted conservative groups and what the IRS did does not comport with the law. Has Obama done anything about that? It appears he did.



I will complain with the best of them. Regulation is fine, but this amount of regulation is absurd. There comes a point when so much regulation can cause the result you intend to avoid. The amount of government meddling into the banking sector is doing more harm than good.

4. Iran is "our mortal enemy" why? Because we (The US) manufactured a coup in their country and undid a Democratic election? Because we subjected them to the misery of a brutal shah and a deadly secret police? Because we backed a bloodthirsty dictator, Saddam Hussien, and gave him Chemical Weapons to wage war on Iran? After all these things, what country would NOT seek nukes to defend itself?

That's all well and good, but when Iran's president stands before the entire UN and threatens to eliminate Israel, you would question the country's need to have nukes in the first place. Case in point.

In New York, defiant Ahmadinejad says Israel will be eliminated | Reuters

5. The Obama administration NEVER gave guns to Drug Cartels. That was the Bush administration during operations WIDE RECEIVER.

Actually you're wrong. Operation Fast and Furious was launched on October 31, 2009 and ended in 2011. Wide Receiver took place in 2006 and ended in September 2007. Your chronology is questionable at best. If the Obama Administration never gave guns to cartels, why did it work so hard to suppress any knowledge of it? They went about targeting whistleblowers and sealing official records of the Operation. Lastly, Obama falsely claimed that Fast and Furious began under the previous administration, when in reality it was launched 9 months into his presidency:

President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program ?Begun Under the Previous Administration? - ABC News

And you say we are challenged with reality?

First off, those laws and regulations were passed after Nixon left office.

Secondly, you didn't address the wrong and illegal acts this country committed against Iran. By the way, Achmadinejad is no longer in office.

Third, I am not wrong and the Obama administration NEVER introduced guns into the mix. That's unlike the Bush administration which introduced guns with tracking devices. Those tracking devices were easily found by the way.

 

[Sallow]

Come on, she has an agenda and its certainly not right leaning.

Do you believe every thing you read ?

No, but you do have to apply a little common sense.

If Khalid was waterboarded in 2002 or 2003, it would not have taken 8 years for his information to pan out.

In reality, Khalid told interrogators that the Courier was no one important, when in fact, he was the link between Bin Laden and the rest of the organization.

Actually it would have. Our aerial bombardments were nearly dead on in 2001 after the attacks, Osama Bin Laden proceeded to elude officials for the next 10 years. But hey, that courier was a "nobody" right? Wrong. He led us right to Bin Laden. You didn't think the courier would simply walk us up to Bin Laden's front door, did you? Brilliant stratagem on the part of the CIA.

It was "Brilliant stratagem" on the part of the Obama administration to put together a Bin Laden unit focused on searching for Bin Laden in Pakistan..as he said he would do in the Debates which you folks laughed at..

Bin Laden is dead now..as is the laughter of you folks. Now all you do is "scoff".

The Truth is..that Bush let Bin Laden go.

Obama deep sixed him.

 

[Redfish]

Clare Algar is a high-powered British attorney who heads up "Reprieve" and does a lot of intercontinental litigation and European Civil litigation. She writes as a guest for a number of newspapers and magazines, not just the Guardian.

She is hardly a left-wing blogger. Learn to crawl out of your bubble a little more often.

Google and just a smidge of thirst for learning could really become your best friends, if you just let it happen.

Come on, she has an agenda and its certainly not right leaning.

Do you believe every thing you read ?

No, but you do have to apply a little common sense.

If Khalid was waterboarded in 2002 or 2003, it would not have taken 8 years for his information to pan out.

In reality, Khalid told interrogators that the Courier was no one important, when in fact, he was the link between Bin Laden and the rest of the organization.

Wow, so you were in the room when he was waterboarded and heard exactly what he said,

BTW, Courier was a tennis player in the 80s and 90s. first name Jim.

 

[mudwhistle]

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Actually, what your statistical nature doesn't cover for is emotion. Given that our electorate votes emotionally, a ruling one way or another would have brought on a flood of emotion either way. Polls are not necessary predictors of voter tendency That ruling translated to a boon for Obama in the popular vote. The court upholding Obamacare gave them more ammunition to use against the Republicans for the rest of the campaign season. I watched it with my own eyes, Stat. I don't take to kindly to being called a liar.

Again, maybe you should stop lying, then.

The main reason why ObamaCare wasn't a winning issue for the GOP is that they nominated the guy who invented it. They defeated their own argument.

All SCOTUS did was say, "We aren't going to usurp the authority of the other two branches of government".

Can you really point to anyone who would have voted for Romney had ObamaCare been struck down?

First it was Bush, then it was Romney.

Don't you folks have a mind of your own?

Every time Obama was caught in a scandal the stock excuse was to use a strawman argument.

 

[Redfish]

No, but you do have to apply a little common sense.

If Khalid was waterboarded in 2002 or 2003, it would not have taken 8 years for his information to pan out.

In reality, Khalid told interrogators that the Courier was no one important, when in fact, he was the link between Bin Laden and the rest of the organization.

Actually it would have. Our aerial bombardments were nearly dead on in 2001 after the attacks, Osama Bin Laden proceeded to elude officials for the next 10 years. But hey, that courier was a "nobody" right? Wrong. He led us right to Bin Laden. You didn't think the courier would simply walk us up to Bin Laden's front door, did you? Brilliant stratagem on the part of the CIA.

It was "Brilliant stratagem" on the part of the Obama administration to put together a Bin Laden unit focused on searching for Bin Laden in Pakistan..as he said he would do in the Debates which you folks laughed at..

Bin Laden is dead now..as is the laughter of you folks. Now all you do is "scoff".

The Truth is..that Bush let Bin Laden go.

Obama deep sixed him.

Nope, the TRUTH is that Clinton let him go---before 9/11, and Bush era intel allowed Obama to find him.

Yes, obama authorized the hit and he gets credit for that.

 

[TemplarKormac]

1. One year after 9/11 and investigation took place into what went wrong. The 9/11 commission took several months to end and recommended several things take place. This generated the Department of Homeland Security and a vast array of new security protocols. Like them or hate them there was a finality to it.

Benghazi? Almost immediately there was an "investigation". Almost all classified documents submitted to Issa were leaked to the press. This led to the discovery that the CIA was maintaining an outpost in the consulate, that they may have been keeping prisoners and led to the resignation of Daniel Petraeus. Additionally, the committee under Issa refuses to review any evidence that contradicts his conclusions. This investigation has continued for more than a year, has not reached any conclusions or made any recommendations. In other words, it's an open ended witch hunt.

2. The IRS employees involved in this "scandal" were Bush appointees. Couple that with regulations and laws adopted during the Nixon administration which prohibit interaction between the President and the IRS as well the fact that "Citizen's United" opened up a new avenue for funneling of money into political campaigns and you have multiple reasons why these procedures were adopted. One of the things that came out in the investigation is the fact that PACs who engage in politics are breaking the law. The law and IRS regulations do not comport. Has Issa done anything about that? Nope. Another open ended witch hunt.

3. Banks and Financial institutions were re-capitalized on the tax payers dime after pulling one of the biggest fiascoes in history. They came very close to collapsing the economy of the entire world. For anyone to complain about new regulations is disgusting.

4. Iran is "our mortal enemy" why? Because we (The US) manufactured a coup in their country and undid a Democratic election? Because we subjected them to the misery of a brutal shah and a deadly secret police? Because we backed a bloodthirsty dictator, Saddam Hussien, and gave him Chemical Weapons to wage war on Iran? After all these things, what country would NOT seek nukes to defend itself?

5. The Obama administration NEVER gave guns to Drug Cartels. That was the Bush administration during operations WIDE RECEIVER.

Reality isn't the strong point of you folks.

Your entire premise died for this point with the utterance of the words "witch hunt." You strangely have an obsession with Issa. Is this an attack on the facts the investigation revealed, or on the man himself?



You're going on a wild goose chase. Yet another attack on Issa, without so much as a modicum of fact. First, depending on when those laws were passed during the Nixon Administration, they didn't stop him (Nixon) from pressuring the IRS Secretary to audit people on his enemies list. Second, whether these employees were Bush appointees or not is irrelevant. This happened on Obama's watch, the IRS specifically targeted conservative groups and what the IRS did does not comport with the law. Has Obama done anything about that? It appears he did.



I will complain with the best of them. Regulation is fine, but this amount of regulation is absurd. There comes a point when so much regulation can cause the result you intend to avoid. The amount of government meddling into the banking sector is doing more harm than good.



That's all well and good, but when Iran's president stands before the entire UN and threatens to eliminate Israel, you would question the country's need to have nukes in the first place. Case in point.

In New York, defiant Ahmadinejad says Israel will be eliminated | Reuters

5. The Obama administration NEVER gave guns to Drug Cartels. That was the Bush administration during operations WIDE RECEIVER.

Actually you're wrong. Operation Fast and Furious was launched on October 31, 2009 and ended in 2011. Wide Receiver took place in 2006 and ended in September 2007. Your chronology is questionable at best. If the Obama Administration never gave guns to cartels, why did it work so hard to suppress any knowledge of it? They went about targeting whistleblowers and sealing official records of the Operation. Lastly, Obama falsely claimed that Fast and Furious began under the previous administration, when in reality it was launched 9 months into his presidency:

President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program ?Begun Under the Previous Administration? - ABC News

And you say we are challenged with reality?

First off, those laws and regulations were passed after Nixon left office.

Secondly, you didn't address the wrong and illegal acts this country committed against Iran. By the way, Achmadinejad is no longer in office.

Third, I am not wrong and the Obama administration NEVER introduced guns into the mix. That's unlike the Bush administration which introduced guns with tracking devices. Those tracking devices were easily found by the way.

First off YOU said "during the Nixon Administration." Learn to read.

Second, it doesn't matter what we did. If you're threatening to wipe an entire country off the face of the world, it simply doesn't matter. You must be stopped. But someone like you would use our transgressions to somehow justify the elimination of Israel. Smooth move slick.

Thirdly, you are wrong, beginning in Fast and Furious on Oct 2009, 1,961 firearms were walked across the border. Additionally, Obama had to evade being prosecuted for this by invoking executive privilege. Sounds like the machinations of a culprit, Sallow.

A Review of ATF's Operation Fast and Furious and Related Matters (Page 215)

 

[Statistikhengst]

Your entire premise died for this point with the utterance of the words "witch hunt." You strangely have an obsession with Issa. Is this an attack on the facts the investigation revealed, or on the man himself?



You're going on a wild goose chase. Yet another attack on Issa, without so much as a modicum of fact. First, depending on when those laws were passed during the Nixon Administration, they didn't stop him (Nixon) from pressuring the IRS Secretary to audit people on his enemies list. Second, whether these employees were Bush appointees or not is irrelevant. This happened on Obama's watch, the IRS specifically targeted conservative groups and what the IRS did does not comport with the law. Has Obama done anything about that? It appears he did.



I will complain with the best of them. Regulation is fine, but this amount of regulation is absurd. There comes a point when so much regulation can cause the result you intend to avoid. The amount of government meddling into the banking sector is doing more harm than good.



That's all well and good, but when Iran's president stands before the entire UN and threatens to eliminate Israel, you would question the country's need to have nukes in the first place. Case in point.

In New York, defiant Ahmadinejad says Israel will be eliminated | Reuters



Actually you're wrong. Operation Fast and Furious was launched on October 31, 2009 and ended in 2011. Wide Receiver took place in 2006 and ended in September 2007. Your chronology is questionable at best. If the Obama Administration never gave guns to cartels, why did it work so hard to suppress any knowledge of it? They went about targeting whistleblowers and sealing official records of the Operation. Lastly, Obama falsely claimed that Fast and Furious began under the previous administration, when in reality it was launched 9 months into his presidency:

President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program ?Begun Under the Previous Administration? - ABC News

And you say we are challenged with reality?

bolded, in green: good point.

The last point: the president meant that gunwalking (which should not exist at all) existed in both administrations. It also, quite obviously, existed in the Reagan administration.

Yes well, that is a deflection nonetheless. The fact that a Justice Department under President Barack Obama took part in a gunwalking operations makes it just as bad as any of it's predecessors. It doesn't matter what Reagan did or Bush did. One is dead, the other isn't president anymore. The fact remains that the Obama Administration must be held accountable for this, not anyone else. Obama directly blamed Bush for the scandal, claiming it happened on his watch, when in reality as I mentioned before, it was launched 9 months into his first term.

I believe I indicated that:

...the president meant that gunwalking (which should not exist at all) existed in both administrations.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Your entire premise died for this point with the utterance of the words "witch hunt." You strangely have an obsession with Issa. Is this an attack on the facts the investigation revealed, or on the man himself?



You're going on a wild goose chase. Yet another attack on Issa, without so much as a modicum of fact. First, depending on when those laws were passed during the Nixon Administration, they didn't stop him (Nixon) from pressuring the IRS Secretary to audit people on his enemies list. Second, whether these employees were Bush appointees or not is irrelevant. This happened on Obama's watch, the IRS specifically targeted conservative groups and what the IRS did does not comport with the law. Has Obama done anything about that? It appears he did.



I will complain with the best of them. Regulation is fine, but this amount of regulation is absurd. There comes a point when so much regulation can cause the result you intend to avoid. The amount of government meddling into the banking sector is doing more harm than good.



That's all well and good, but when Iran's president stands before the entire UN and threatens to eliminate Israel, you would question the country's need to have nukes in the first place. Case in point.

In New York, defiant Ahmadinejad says Israel will be eliminated | Reuters



Actually you're wrong. Operation Fast and Furious was launched on October 31, 2009 and ended in 2011. Wide Receiver took place in 2006 and ended in September 2007. Your chronology is questionable at best. If the Obama Administration never gave guns to cartels, why did it work so hard to suppress any knowledge of it? They went about targeting whistleblowers and sealing official records of the Operation. Lastly, Obama falsely claimed that Fast and Furious began under the previous administration, when in reality it was launched 9 months into his presidency:

President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program ?Begun Under the Previous Administration? - ABC News

And you say we are challenged with reality?

First off, those laws and regulations were passed after Nixon left office.

Secondly, you didn't address the wrong and illegal acts this country committed against Iran. By the way, Achmadinejad is no longer in office.

Third, I am not wrong and the Obama administration NEVER introduced guns into the mix. That's unlike the Bush administration which introduced guns with tracking devices. Those tracking devices were easily found by the way.

First off Stat said "during the Nixon Administration." Learn to read.

Second, it doesn't matter what we did. If you're threatening to wipe an entire country off the face of the world, it simply doesn't matter. You must be stopped. But someone like you would use our transgressions to somehow justify the elimination of Israel. Smooth move slick.

Thirdly, you are wrong, beginning in Fast and Furious on Oct 2009, 1,961 firearms were walked across the border. Additionally, Obama had to evade being prosecuted for this by invoking executive privilege. Sounds like the machinations of a culprit, Sallow.

A Review of ATF's Operation Fast and Furious and Related Matters (Page 215)

Whut?!?!?!?

Where did I write that? hmmmmmm....... certainly not in a recent posting, not that I know of.... can you help me there?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Come on, she has an agenda and its certainly not right leaning.

Do you believe every thing you read ?

No, but you do have to apply a little common sense.

If Khalid was waterboarded in 2002 or 2003, it would not have taken 8 years for his information to pan out.

In reality, Khalid told interrogators that the Courier was no one important, when in fact, he was the link between Bin Laden and the rest of the organization.

Wow, so you were in the room when he was waterboarded and heard exactly what he said,

BTW, Courier was a tennis player in the 80s and 90s. first name Jim.

What these liberals fail to understand is that you don't give the tip of the spear the credit for killing the target, you credit the man who threw it. Obama was nothing but the tip of a thrown spear. Bush thew that spear in 2002. Let them chew on that.