Who KILLED 4,000 US troops & Most of the 87,000 Iraqis?

[Dragon]

NO the problem is just as Vietnam where the USA was abiding by our SEATO treaty to protect an invaded nation and AT THE TIME you and others too young to understand the "cold war" affect.. FEAR the Chinese Communist would domino affect Asia... Look up that term as I lived through that period of the fear of the falling dominos in Asia!

I'm 55, you presumptuous dickhead. I missed out on the risk of being drafted for that war by one year.

As for the "domino effect," our defeat in Vietnam, and the fact that it was NOT followed by a "Communist takeover" of Thailand, Singapore, Australia, Japan . . . (seriously, the utter failure to understand what communism even WAS just blows the mind) proves conclusively that the domino theory was FALSE. Because the prediction was that such takeovers would happen if we lost in Vietnam. And we DID lose. And they DIDN'T happen.

 

[jillian]

The primary blame lies with Bush, yes. Without Bush's manipulation we would never have gone to war in Iraq.

However, secondary blame must fall on every member of Congress who voted for the declaration of war.

not really. the resolution did not authorize baby bush to attack iraq. it certainly didn't authorize him to occupy iraq and depose a sovereign leader.

it gave the authority to go to war AFTER very specific criteria was met and reports and the opportunity for oversight given to congress.

baby bush then violated the resolution and didn't ever go back to congress or give the required reports.

iraq resolution at link:

S. J. Res 45 Auhorizing Use of Armed Forces Against Iraq

 

[candycorn]

BUT NONE of you evidently are OLD enough to remember what happened after 9/11!
NONE of you remember the Anthrax attacks!

NONE of YOU remember how YOU wanted Iraq to be blamed!
"Do you think the U.S. made the right decision or the wrong decision in using military force in Iraq?"
4/10-16/03 74% Right decision 19% wrong Decision 7% unsure

SO WHAT HAPPENED between 04/2003 & 1/2007.. when 42% right 50% wrong?

FU...king NEWS MEDIA and DEMOCRATS decided to KILL American soldiers for political GAIN... that's what happened...
IDIOT CHEERLEADERS making statements ..Terrorists troops..civilian killers..AbuGrib!!
something less the 1/10th of 1% of ALL US troops did WAS BLOWN so out of proportion by the MSM and Democrats!
YET we have Durbin saying:"must have been done by Nazis, Soviets --action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

GEEZ you don't think the TERRORIST LOVED to hear that and WHY would idiots encourage Terrorists by saying this KNOWING it was NOT the RULE but the very rare exception!

Take some prozac and try to lay down or something.

When it came to light that the intel was cooked, people turned against the war. When we got into nation-building (Bush campaigned against the nation-building Clinton did by the way), people turned against the war. When it became clear that we had no role there in Iraq--so much so that Bush himself commissioned a plan called "a new way forward", people turned against the war. When it became the only front in the war on terror and we lost focus in Afghanistan, people turned against the war.

The MSM and the Democrats had nothing to do with cold hard facts listed above. Cry, bitch, and moan all you wish, it won't change anything.

 

[ladyliberal]

Then maybe you should tell these "DUMB ASSES!"!
A Harvard study found here THE "EMBOLDENMENT EFFECT" asked:
"Are insurgents in Iraq emboldened by voices in the news media expressing dissent or calling for troop withdrawals from Iraq?

The short answer is YES!!! according to Radha Iyengar, a Robert Wood Johnson Scholar in health policy research at Harvard and Jonathan Monten of the Belfer Center at the university's Kennedy School of Government.

STUDY ABSTRACT
Are insurgents affected by information on US casualty sensitivity?
Using data on attacks and variation in access to international news
across Iraqi provinces, we identify an “emboldenment” effect by
comparing the rate of insurgent attacks in areas with higher and lower
access to information about U.S news after public statements critical
of the war.
We find in periods after a spike in war-critical statements, insurgent
attacks increases by 5-10 percent.
The results suggest that insurgent groups respond rationally to
expected probability of US withdrawal.

It's an interesting study. Thank you for drawing my attention to it. A few observations:

- It's not a "Harvard study" and it doesn't seem to have been peer-reviewed. It's an NBER study with opinions and conclusions that "are solely those of the authors", both of which hold appointments at Harvard.

- The effect is actually reported as larger than you say: 7-10 percent, not 5-10 percent.

- This is a fine economic study with results that, while not implausible, seem highly speculative. The authors refer to several assumptions which are necessary to their model as "plausible" rather than proven or even likely.

- The authors somewhat overstate their case: they measure an increase in attacks following war criticism. Their method cannot however demonstrate a rise in the overall number of attacks. Insurgents could be timing their attacks to follow criticism while still being unable to increase the overall number of attacks.

- The authors make very clear that this effect should not, in their minds, discourage anyone from criticizing the war. They recognize this as a necessary act, and seek only to quantify one of its costs.


On a different note, I wish you wouldn't continue to repeat your Obama, Reid, Murtha and Kerry quotes. Twice now I have told you why I find them grossly distorted and you have simply repeated them without addressing my criticism.

 

[healthmyths]

Bush?
Did Bush plant IEDs?
Did Bush plant bombs on the children so when US soldiers handing candy the kids and soldiers were blow apart? Was that Bush's fault?

Did Bush plant the bombs in the Mosques.. the schools?

Did Bush make these statements that CHEERED the deaths of US troops, that cheered the terrorists? Did BUSH encourage the Terrorists to bomb children, US troops like these "so called" Americans did????

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets --action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "War is lost",
U.S. Rep. Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”
Senator Kerry(D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the
dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."
Senator Obama(D) .."troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"

NO Bush didn't... BUT studies show that statements made by the Cheerleaders DID increase the bombings, the violence AND did make the Liberation of Iraq cost:
3,000 more then necessary American LIVES!
80,000+ more then necessary Iraqi lives!
$600 billion more then necessary!
6 YEARS longer!

All because CHEERLEADERS like the above and a few of YOU were HAPPY that US Troops and Iraqis were KILLED!
I really am saddened by how much blood you have on all your hands!

OK.......let's talk numbers

Bush diverted the war on terror for an iladvised invasion of Iraq. He ignored the advice of his commanders on the number of troops needed on the ground to maintain the peace. Instead he listed to Paul Wolfowitz and the "They will treat us as liberators" crowd

His colossal blunder led to not only a senseless invasion but an occupation with insufficient troops to neutralize the warring factions

The Bush blunder led to almost 4500 American deaths and allowed Taliban forces to reoccupy Afghanistan

BUSH nor HIS commanders ONLY one suggested more said the original number was enough AND IT WAS! The war which is what they originally planned for was over in less then 3 months! and Cost less then 100 lives and less then $60 billion!

BUT BUSH and his commanders NEVER counted on idiots LIKE YOU cheering the Terrorists.. giving Terrorists words to recruit more terrorists!
BUSH et.al. NEVER considered any Congressmen saying what Reid,Kerry,et.al. said never ever considered these people like you becoming CHEERLEADERS for the terrorists!
Bush et al. NEVER considered the MSM to be such QUISLINGS look it up!
Such Tokyo Roses! Look it up!

NEVER EVER thought for a minute the war would be prolonged SIMPLY because AMERICANS would CHEER for the Terrorists like you did when US troops died! Americans CHEERING that US troops die and children murdered!

WHAT is truly wrong with your common sense?

YES Bush's BIGGEST BLUNDER was believing NO AMERICANS would call fellow military "Terrorists" as Kerry did or "Killers" as Murtha did!
BUSH big error was NOT showing the MSM for what they were complicit like you in the murders of US TROOPS BY CHEERING and making the very minute, exceptions, like Abu Ghrib.. and blowing all out of proportion!
1/10th of 1% of the Military did something stupid at Abu Ghrib and traitors and cheerleaders like YOU BLEW IT so out of proportion that the Terrorists loved it! USED that to recruit more and kill more!

WHY is that concept that your cheerleading was helpful SO HARD to understand? Is it you are so guilt ridden that you can't admit it?
YOU and others were suckered by the MSM and their Demo lackies to cheer the terrorists!

YOU people truly disgust me because you can't even see how stupid it was but I really detest you for the DEATHS of US troops and Iraqis YOU encouraged by CHEERLEADING THE TERRORISTS!

You and other CHEERLEADERS were NO different then if you stood in Iraq
carrying signs saying US TROOPS killers! US Troops Terrorists!
What do you think Iraqis then would think??

 

[healthmyths]

Then WHAT THE HELL GOOD was the 1991 CEASE FIRE?

It ended the Persian Gulf War, of course.

IT WAS A CEASE FIRE! Meaning if Saddam which he DIDN"T keep his agreement THE WAR continued!
IDIOT!

The ONLY way the Gulf war ended was when Saddam was overthrown and eventually HUNG after being found guilty of murdering his own people!

YOU realize that or are you missing Saddam? You wish he wasn't deposed?
You are wishing that the following was never recovered?

"In Iraq, where many biblical scholars place the Garden of Eden, Scott Pelley finds a water world where the Marsh Arabs are making a comeback after Saddam nearly destroyed the cradle of civilization.

It turns out Saddam Hussein did possess a weapon of mass destruction and he used it in a slaughter that few have heard of until now: after the Gulf War in 1991, the dictator spent untold millions on this weapon, designed to exterminate an ancient civilization called the "Ma'dan," also known as the "Marsh Arabs."
In a five-year project 90 percent of the marshes were drained - an area of more than 3,000 square miles.

"As an engineer, I'm telling you, drying of the marshes is definitely not an easy task. It's a monumental engineering project," Alwash explained. "He put every piece of equipment available in Iraq under his control at the services of the projects needed to dry the marshes."

"Saddam was using water as a weapon?" Pelley asked.

"You know, the world was looking for weapons of mass destruction. And the evidence was right under its nose," Alwash.

Resurrecting Eden - 60 Minutes - CBS News

 

[healthmyths]

and yet you miss Saddam right???

 

[NYcarbineer]

and yet you miss Saddam right???

Can you list the vital American interests that made the Iraq war necessary?

 

[skookerasbil]

How about you back up that little tidbit (or what I call BULLSHIT) with some proof. I'll wait

Hey s0n........all you k00ks have spent years throwing around number of Iraqi's killed by George Bush.........1 million..............3 million. What?

s0n........its 2011. The whole world has moved past this shit except the internet k00ks with BDS!!!

Did you find that post of mine where I claimed 3 million or 10 million Iraqis were killed? Didn't think so. And does it matter how many were killed? ONE is too many for an unjust war.

Go have another drink, SON, then maybe you'll make sense to .... your drunk buddies? The stick up your ass? Just do yourself a favor before you have that 10th drink - take off your drool cup first. Drool and alcohol don't mix. Just a word to the wise - or, UNwise in your case.

Personally.........I prefer Candian Whiskey, like VO.


s0n.........make sure to stick around t his forum at least through next November. I'll be posting up lots and lots of classic Photobucket gems sticking the finger in the eye's of the k0kks. Like this..................

and this...............

 

[skookerasbil]

and this...............

 

[candycorn]

and yet you miss Saddam right???

Can you list the vital American interests that made the Iraq war necessary?

If Saddam could have dusted Tel Aviv or Jerusalem with a chemical weapon attack from the air, the consequences would have been this: Israel attacks Iraq. Thats a given.

What happens to OPEC at that point? I am of the opinion that OPEC, by and large, sides with Iraq and the oil markets go ballistic (excuse the pun). That is a legitimate vital interest based on the real nuts and bolts intel of the situation.

Now, the sexy intel was way over-hyped and the "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud" rhetoric was designed to do one thing; sell the war. But it can't be seriously argued that we had no vital interest at stake. Until we get off of the petroleum based economy, we will always have this vital interest.

Which is why we really need to get off the dime and pursue alternative fuels.

Next generation (or sooner) will see another military commitment in the middle east. Take it to the bank.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Bush?
Did Bush plant IEDs?
Did Bush plant bombs on the children so when US soldiers handing candy the kids and soldiers were blow apart? Was that Bush's fault?

Did Bush plant the bombs in the Mosques.. the schools?

Did Bush make these statements that CHEERED the deaths of US troops, that cheered the terrorists? Did BUSH encourage the Terrorists to bomb children, US troops like these "so called" Americans did????

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets --action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "War is lost",
U.S. Rep. Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”
Senator Kerry(D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the
dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."
Senator Obama(D) .."troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"

NO Bush didn't... BUT studies show that statements made by the Cheerleaders DID increase the bombings, the violence AND did make the Liberation of Iraq cost:
3,000 more then necessary American LIVES!
80,000+ more then necessary Iraqi lives!
$600 billion more then necessary!
6 YEARS longer!

All because CHEERLEADERS like the above and a few of YOU were HAPPY that US Troops and Iraqis were KILLED!
I really am saddened by how much blood you have on all your hands!

Ask any loony leftist, Dick Cheney and Halliburton did it!!

 

[Dragon]

IT WAS A CEASE FIRE! Meaning if Saddam which he DIDN"T keep his agreement THE WAR continued!

That's a legal excuse for regarding us as having been at war throughout the years between the Gulf War and the Iraq War, if you want to use it as such.

But there's a difference between having a legal cover and having a genuine justification. In the minds of most Americans and in all versions of reality that don't require legalistic hairsplitting, the Gulf War ended in 1991 when the cease-fire went into effect. The Iraq War is regarded by most Americans and, well, just about everyone as a new war, and in terms of all aspects of reality that don't require legalistic hairsplitting that's what it was.

A new war, and one that we started without any justification. So the deaths, American and Iraqi alike, were our fault.

 

[BlindBoo]

Who killed them or who is responsible for the invasion?

Obviously most of them were killed by enemy fire, bombs or other war related activies. None of which would have been necessary had the Bush Administration not wanted to invade Iraq.

 

[rightwinger]

Bush?
Did Bush plant IEDs?
Did Bush plant bombs on the children so when US soldiers handing candy the kids and soldiers were blow apart? Was that Bush's fault?

Did Bush plant the bombs in the Mosques.. the schools?

Did Bush make these statements that CHEERED the deaths of US troops, that cheered the terrorists? Did BUSH encourage the Terrorists to bomb children, US troops like these "so called" Americans did????

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets --action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "War is lost",
U.S. Rep. Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”
Senator Kerry(D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the
dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."
Senator Obama(D) .."troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"

NO Bush didn't... BUT studies show that statements made by the Cheerleaders DID increase the bombings, the violence AND did make the Liberation of Iraq cost:
3,000 more then necessary American LIVES!
80,000+ more then necessary Iraqi lives!
$600 billion more then necessary!
6 YEARS longer!

All because CHEERLEADERS like the above and a few of YOU were HAPPY that US Troops and Iraqis were KILLED!
I really am saddened by how much blood you have on all your hands!

OK.......let's talk numbers

Bush diverted the war on terror for an iladvised invasion of Iraq. He ignored the advice of his commanders on the number of troops needed on the ground to maintain the peace. Instead he listed to Paul Wolfowitz and the "They will treat us as liberators" crowd

His colossal blunder led to not only a senseless invasion but an occupation with insufficient troops to neutralize the warring factions

The Bush blunder led to almost 4500 American deaths and allowed Taliban forces to reoccupy Afghanistan

BUSH nor HIS commanders ONLY one suggested more said the original number was enough AND IT WAS! The war which is what they originally planned for was over in less then 3 months! and Cost less then 100 lives and less then $60 billion!

BUT BUSH and his commanders NEVER counted on idiots LIKE YOU cheering the Terrorists.. giving Terrorists words to recruit more terrorists!
BUSH et.al. NEVER considered any Congressmen saying what Reid,Kerry,et.al. said never ever considered these people like you becoming CHEERLEADERS for the terrorists!
Bush et al. NEVER considered the MSM to be such QUISLINGS look it up!
Such Tokyo Roses! Look it up!

NEVER EVER thought for a minute the war would be prolonged SIMPLY because AMERICANS would CHEER for the Terrorists like you did when US troops died! Americans CHEERING that US troops die and children murdered!

WHAT is truly wrong with your common sense?

YES Bush's BIGGEST BLUNDER was believing NO AMERICANS would call fellow military "Terrorists" as Kerry did or "Killers" as Murtha did!
BUSH big error was NOT showing the MSM for what they were complicit like you in the murders of US TROOPS BY CHEERING and making the very minute, exceptions, like Abu Ghrib.. and blowing all out of proportion!
1/10th of 1% of the Military did something stupid at Abu Ghrib and traitors and cheerleaders like YOU BLEW IT so out of proportion that the Terrorists loved it! USED that to recruit more and kill more!

WHY is that concept that your cheerleading was helpful SO HARD to understand? Is it you are so guilt ridden that you can't admit it?
YOU and others were suckered by the MSM and their Demo lackies to cheer the terrorists!

YOU people truly disgust me because you can't even see how stupid it was but I really detest you for the DEATHS of US troops and Iraqis YOU encouraged by CHEERLEADING THE TERRORISTS!

You and other CHEERLEADERS were NO different then if you stood in Iraq
carrying signs saying US TROOPS killers! US Troops Terrorists!
What do you think Iraqis then would think??

A hysterical rant does not help you make your point.

Bush ignored the advice of the Army Chief of Staff Shinseki. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Cheney wanted to sell the Iraq war as not that big a deal, we only needed 80,000 troops to invade and from that point we would be treated as liberators

Shinseki understood the political complexities of Iraq and that we would need significant ground forces (140,000 plus) and they would need to be there for some time.

The Bush decision to attack and his inept handling of the overall mission was one of the greatest blunders in history

 

[BlindBoo]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone in this thread other than the original poster believe his claim (from the cartoon he posted) that Obama, Kerry, Murtha, and Reid recruited terrorists terrorists to kill 3,000 US troops

AS sure as the sun come up in the east,just as Bush's statement was dumb as it gets.

Harry Ried i, We have lost the war what do you think the enemy will do when he thinks he has us on the ropes?? WE all saw the results.

Giving other dumb ass's a pass just to fluff another dumb ass's statement isn't so bright.

For the record Harry Reid never said "We have lost the war".

 

[rightwinger]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone in this thread other than the original poster believe his claim (from the cartoon he posted) that Obama, Kerry, Murtha, and Reid recruited terrorists terrorists to kill 3,000 US troops

AS sure as the sun come up in the east,just as Bush's statement was dumb as it gets.

Harry Ried i, We have lost the war what do you think the enemy will do when he thinks he has us on the ropes?? WE all saw the results.

Giving other dumb ass's a pass just to fluff another dumb ass's statement isn't so bright.

For the record Harry Reid never said "We have lost the war".

Republicans only quote the part that supports their propaganda

They love to leave out the part..........If we continue current policies

 

[BlindBoo]

The primary blame lies with Bush, yes. Without Bush's manipulation we would never have gone to war in Iraq.

However, secondary blame must fall on every member of Congress who voted for the declaration of war.

WHAT Manipulation???
Clinton signed The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 Public law 105-338 CNN - Clinton: Iraq has abused its last chance - December 16, 1998
The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 Public law 105-338 expressed the sense of congress it should be policy to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime.
"The President has authority under the consitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States."

President Clinton addressed the nation from the Oval Office
Clinton spells out Iraq's non-compliance
# Iraq repeatedly blocked UNSCOM from inspecting suspect sites.
# Iraq repeatedly restricted UNSCOM's ability to obtain necessary evidence.
# Iraq tried to stop an UNSCOM biological weapons team from videotaping a site and photocopying documents and prevented Iraqi personnel from answering UNSCOM's questions.
# Iraq has failed to turn over virtually all documents requested by the inspectors.
US Forces:
There are 15 U.S. warships and 97 U.S. aircraft in the Persian Gulf region, including about 70 aboard the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise. More than 12,000 sailors and Marines are in the region.

U.S. sources said eight of the warships, equipped with cruise missiles, have been moved into the northern part of the Gulf, within easy striking distance of Baghdad. More troops and jets have been ordered to the region.

More than 300 cruise missiles are available for use against Iraq, and there are air-launched cruise missiles aboard 14 B-52 bombers on the British island of Diego Garcia, sources said.

Britain has 22 strike aircraft in the region.

Clinton statement from the Oval Office on attack against Iraq

December 16, 1998
Web posted at: 8:51 p.m. EST (0151 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq.
The president said Iraq's refusal to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors presented a threat to the entire world.
"Saddam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons," Clinton said.
Operation Desert Fox, a strong, sustained series of attacks, will be carried out over several days by U.S. and British forces, Clinton said.
"Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces," Clinton said.

"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.

Clinton also stated that, while other countries also had weapons of mass destruction, Hussein is in a different category because he has used such weapons against his own people and against his neighbors.

'Without delay, diplomacy or warning'

The Iraqi leader was given a final warning six weeks ago, Clinton said, when Baghdad promised to cooperate with U.N. inspectors at the last minute just as U.S. warplanes were headed its way.

"Along with Prime Minister (Tony) Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning," Clinton said.

The president said the report handed in Tuesday by Richard Butler, head of the United Nations Special Commission in charge of finding and destroying Iraqi weapons, was stark and sobering.

Iraq failed to cooperate with the inspectors and placed new restrictions on them, Clinton said. He said Iraqi officials also destroyed records and moved everything, even the furniture, out of suspected sites before inspectors were allowed in.

"Instead of inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors," Clinton said.

"In halting our airstrikes in November, I gave Saddam a chance -- not a license. If we turn our backs on his defiance, the credibility of U.S. power as a check against Saddam will be destroyed," the president explained.

Strikes necessary to stunt weapons programs

Clinton said he made the decision to strike Wednesday with the unanimous agreement of his security advisors.

Timing was important, said the president, because without a strong inspection system in place, Iraq could rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear programs in a matter of months, not years.

"If Saddam can cripple the weapons inspections system and get away with it, he would conclude the international community, led by the United States, has simply lost its will," said Clinton. "He would surmise that he has free rein to rebuild his arsenal of destruction."

Clinton also called Hussein a threat to his people and to the security of the world.

"The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people," Clinton said.

Such a change in Baghdad would take time and effort, Clinton said, adding that his administration would work with Iraqi opposition forces.

Clinton also addressed the ongoing impeachment crisis in the White House.

"Saddam Hussein and the other enemies of peace may have thought that the serious debate currently before the House of Representatives would distract Americans or weaken our resolve to face him down," he said.

"But once more, the United States has proven that although we are never eager to use force, when we must act in America's vital interests, we will do so."


SO TeLL me again... WHY IS BUSH The ONLY ONE to Blame here then???
Clinton pushed the buttons...BUSH executed!

Please point out where in the The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 it provides for and authorizes US Troops to invade and occupy Iraq in order to liberate Iraq.

 

[BlindBoo]

Bush?
Did Bush plant IEDs?
Did Bush plant bombs on the children so when US soldiers handing candy the kids and soldiers were blow apart? Was that Bush's fault?

Did Bush plant the bombs in the Mosques.. the schools?

Did Bush make these statements that CHEERED the deaths of US troops, that cheered the terrorists? Did BUSH encourage the Terrorists to bomb children, US troops like these "so called" Americans did????

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets --action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "War is lost",
U.S. Rep. Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”
Senator Kerry(D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the
dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."
Senator Obama(D) .."troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"

NO Bush didn't... BUT studies show that statements made by the Cheerleaders DID increase the bombings, the violence AND did make the Liberation of Iraq cost:
3,000 more then necessary American LIVES!
80,000+ more then necessary Iraqi lives!
$600 billion more then necessary!
6 YEARS longer!

All because CHEERLEADERS like the above and a few of YOU were HAPPY that US Troops and Iraqis were KILLED!
I really am saddened by how much blood you have on all your hands!

OK.......let's talk numbers

Bush diverted the war on terror for an iladvised invasion of Iraq. He ignored the advice of his commanders on the number of troops needed on the ground to maintain the peace. Instead he listed to Paul Wolfowitz and the "They will treat us as liberators" crowd

His colossal blunder led to not only a senseless invasion but an occupation with insufficient troops to neutralize the warring factions

The Bush blunder led to almost 4500 American deaths and allowed Taliban forces to reoccupy Afghanistan

BUSH nor HIS commanders ONLY one suggested more said the original number was enough AND IT WAS! The war which is what they originally planned for was over in less then 3 months! and Cost less then 100 lives and less then $60 billion!

BUT BUSH and his commanders NEVER counted on idiots LIKE YOU cheering the Terrorists.. giving Terrorists words to recruit more terrorists!
BUSH et.al. NEVER considered any Congressmen saying what Reid,Kerry,et.al. said never ever considered these people like you becoming CHEERLEADERS for the terrorists!
Bush et al. NEVER considered the MSM to be such QUISLINGS look it up!
Such Tokyo Roses! Look it up!

NEVER EVER thought for a minute the war would be prolonged SIMPLY because AMERICANS would CHEER for the Terrorists like you did when US troops died! Americans CHEERING that US troops die and children murdered!

WHAT is truly wrong with your common sense?

YES Bush's BIGGEST BLUNDER was believing NO AMERICANS would call fellow military "Terrorists" as Kerry did or "Killers" as Murtha did!
BUSH big error was NOT showing the MSM for what they were complicit like you in the murders of US TROOPS BY CHEERING and making the very minute, exceptions, like Abu Ghrib.. and blowing all out of proportion!
1/10th of 1% of the Military did something stupid at Abu Ghrib and traitors and cheerleaders like YOU BLEW IT so out of proportion that the Terrorists loved it! USED that to recruit more and kill more!

WHY is that concept that your cheerleading was helpful SO HARD to understand? Is it you are so guilt ridden that you can't admit it?
YOU and others were suckered by the MSM and their Demo lackies to cheer the terrorists!

YOU people truly disgust me because you can't even see how stupid it was but I really detest you for the DEATHS of US troops and Iraqis YOU encouraged by CHEERLEADING THE TERRORISTS!

You and other CHEERLEADERS were NO different then if you stood in Iraq
carrying signs saying US TROOPS killers! US Troops Terrorists!
What do you think Iraqis then would think??

Mr. REID. Madam President, the White House has been telling America that Democrats are doing the wrong thing by calling for a change of course in Iraq. They say holding the Iraqi Government accountable is wrong. They say finding a political solution Iraq is wrong.......As long as we follow the President's path in Iraq, the war is lost. But there is still a chance to change course and we must change course.

Of course all you see is the war is lost because that's what you were told. You do recall that this was 3 years after the invasion started right? At a time when everyone was calling on Bush to change strategy.

Sorry buc-o it was the right wing echo chamber that filled the air waves with the propaganda like "Reid said the War is Lost" Bull shit.

Abu Ghrabi was the norm not the exception.

 

[healthmyths]

and yet you miss Saddam right???

Can you list the vital American interests that made the Iraq war necessary?

HERE LET ME LIST what Bill Clinton LISTED!!!

It is too often forgotten, not least by historians, that George W. Bush did not invent the idea of deposing the Iraqi tyrant. For years before he came on the scene, removing Saddam Hussein had been a priority embraced by the Democratic administration of Bill Clinton​ and by Clinton’s most vocal supporters in the Senate:

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas, or biological weapons. . . . Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: he has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. . . . I have no doubt today that, left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.

These were the words of President Clinton on the night of December 16, 1998 as he announced a four-day bombing campaign over Iraq. Only six weeks earlier, Clinton had signed the Iraq Liberation Act authorizing Saddam’s overthrow—an initiative supported unanimously in the Senate and by a margin of 360 to 38 in the House.
“Iraqis deserve and desire freedom,” Clinton had declared. On the evening the bombs began to drop,
Vice President Al Gore​ told CNN’s Larry King:

You allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons. How many people is he going to kill with such weapons? . . . We are not going to allow him to succeed. [emphasis added]
Why Iraq Was Inevitable « Commentary Magazine


SO PLEASE TELL ME why IT was so terrible that Bush executed what Gore/Clinton pushed to do but evidently didn't have the cajones to do?