Who is responsible for the deaths and injuries to the cops?

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A week or so ago, the Internet and the News noticed that five cops were shot during a search warrant on a drug dealer. Since that time, the story has evolved, and we’ve discovered that the cop who got the Search Warrant, Officer Gerald Goines lied when getting the warrant. He claimed that his Informants had made a buy at that location, and thus proved that the baddies were in fact dealing drugs, and selling drugs, from that location.

Only the informants say they never did it. So Goines lied, and according to the Police themselves, is in a lot of trouble over it. Houston officer lied in search warrant leading to drug raid that left 2 people dead, 5 officers hurt, affidavit says - CNN

Another case has already been dismissed, since how do you put the cop up there and swear he followed the rules, when you know he didn’t in another case? One of Goines' cases dismissed amid review of HPD officer's work

But the question I asked in the title remains. Who is responsible?

The Law says that any injuries or deaths that result from the commission of a crime, are the responsibility of everyone participating in the crime. In other words, if you and three buddies rob a bank, and someone dies, all of the robbers are responsible for the death.

But in this case, the cop, Goines is responsible for the first crime, the illegal search and seizure, perjury to get the warrant. Shouldn’t all the deaths be laid at his feet? Shouldn’t he face charges of murder, attempted murder, and I’m sure reckless endangerment and all that sort of thing? If he had not lied on the Affidavit, then the Search Warrant would not have been issued, and nobody would have been there to get shot, and die. Everyone would still be alive, or uninjured.

For a couple decades, I have railed against cops lying as part of their job. This case shows just how bad it is for the cops to lie. Not only does the Guilty Drug Dealer go free, but the cops end up injured, or dead, because of the lie. Worse, all the other cases this cop was a participant in, are now suspect. Any attorney six months out of Law School could tear him apart on the Stand, and nobody is going to believe he only lied that once. Dozens or perhaps hundreds of people are going to get out of prison, and have all charges and convictions against them dropped, because of one cop who wanted to cut corners.

We should charge Officer Gerald Goines with Murder, and Attempted Murder of a police officer. We should insure he spends the rest of his life in prison. We should hold the police to the same exact standard we hold everyone else to, and anyone else who committed a crime that resulted in deaths would be charged that way.
 
Two people dead, and 5 officers hurt ?? At an old folks home that was raided falsely or under false pretenses ??????

Where did these old folks get their guns ?

Were they alerted to a raid coming ??

I used the old folks home analogy in order to try and shine some light on the confusion regarding the shoot out at a suspected drug den that turned out to be just this little ole innocent house, where someone's granny was just in there baking some pies, and minding her own business ?? Hmmm, something don't smell right still yet.
 
A week or so ago, the Internet and the News noticed that five cops were shot during a search warrant on a drug dealer. Since that time, the story has evolved, and we’ve discovered that the cop who got the Search Warrant, Officer Gerald Goines lied when getting the warrant. He claimed that his Informants had made a buy at that location, and thus proved that the baddies were in fact dealing drugs, and selling drugs, from that location.

Only the informants say they never did it. So Goines lied, and according to the Police themselves, is in a lot of trouble over it. Houston officer lied in search warrant leading to drug raid that left 2 people dead, 5 officers hurt, affidavit says - CNN

Another case has already been dismissed, since how do you put the cop up there and swear he followed the rules, when you know he didn’t in another case? One of Goines' cases dismissed amid review of HPD officer's work

But the question I asked in the title remains. Who is responsible?

The Law says that any injuries or deaths that result from the commission of a crime, are the responsibility of everyone participating in the crime. In other words, if you and three buddies rob a bank, and someone dies, all of the robbers are responsible for the death.

But in this case, the cop, Goines is responsible for the first crime, the illegal search and seizure, perjury to get the warrant. Shouldn’t all the deaths be laid at his feet? Shouldn’t he face charges of murder, attempted murder, and I’m sure reckless endangerment and all that sort of thing? If he had not lied on the Affidavit, then the Search Warrant would not have been issued, and nobody would have been there to get shot, and die. Everyone would still be alive, or uninjured.

For a couple decades, I have railed against cops lying as part of their job. This case shows just how bad it is for the cops to lie. Not only does the Guilty Drug Dealer go free, but the cops end up injured, or dead, because of the lie. Worse, all the other cases this cop was a participant in, are now suspect. Any attorney six months out of Law School could tear him apart on the Stand, and nobody is going to believe he only lied that once. Dozens or perhaps hundreds of people are going to get out of prison, and have all charges and convictions against them dropped, because of one cop who wanted to cut corners.

We should charge Officer Gerald Goines with Murder, and Attempted Murder of a police officer. We should insure he spends the rest of his life in prison. We should hold the police to the same exact standard we hold everyone else to, and anyone else who committed a crime that resulted in deaths would be charged that way.
Yup. In a nation of the people, for the people, and by the people; there should be only one standard of law. And that law should apply equally to every citizen of that nation. Period...
But we all know that isn’t really the kind of nation we live in; don’t we?
 
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CNN--hahahahahahh..ever hear of Jussie Smollett/etc ? [fake/lies/bullshit ]
..so innocent people shot the cops???!!!!???? please tell us the reason why the innocent people shot at the cops?
..so the big question is, did they find drugs there/etc?
 
CNN--hahahahahahh..ever hear of Jussie Smollett/etc ? [fake/lies/bullshit ]
..so innocent people shot the cops???!!!!???? please tell us the reason why the innocent people shot at the cops?
..so the big question is, did they find drugs there/etc?
The shooter retained his innocence by virtue of the officer committing a crime. That being the denial of due process. Whether, or not the shooter shot, had guns, or drugs; is wholly irrelevant. The facts seem to be that in this case “the bad guy” was in fact the victim of a crime. And bad people can in fact also be victims. The idea that this crime was perpetrated upon him by law enforcement only serves to make it more aggregious...
 
CNN--hahahahahahh..ever hear of Jussie Smollett/etc ? [fake/lies/bullshit ]
..so innocent people shot the cops???!!!!???? please tell us the reason why the innocent people shot at the cops?
..so the big question is, did they find drugs there/etc?
The shooter retained his innocence by virtue of the officer committing a crime. That being the denial of due process. Whether, or not the shooter shot, had guns, or drugs; is wholly irrelevant. The facts seem to be that in this case “the bad guy” was in fact the victim of a crime. And bad people can in fact also be victims. The idea that this crime was perpetrated upon him by law enforcement only serves to make it more aggregious...
if the shooter had drugs = criminal = needs to be arrested
 
CNN--hahahahahahh..ever hear of Jussie Smollett/etc ? [fake/lies/bullshit ]
..so innocent people shot the cops???!!!!???? please tell us the reason why the innocent people shot at the cops?
..so the big question is, did they find drugs there/etc?
The shooter retained his innocence by virtue of the officer committing a crime. That being the denial of due process. Whether, or not the shooter shot, had guns, or drugs; is wholly irrelevant. The facts seem to be that in this case “the bad guy” was in fact the victim of a crime. And bad people can in fact also be victims. The idea that this crime was perpetrated upon him by law enforcement only serves to make it more aggregious...
if the shooter had drugs = criminal = needs to be arrested
Irrelevant. All of those “facts” are “fruit of the forbidden tree”. None of this could be known, if the officer hadn’t committed crimes against the suspect in order to confirm them.
 
CNN--hahahahahahh..ever hear of Jussie Smollett/etc ? [fake/lies/bullshit ]
..so innocent people shot the cops???!!!!???? please tell us the reason why the innocent people shot at the cops?
..so the big question is, did they find drugs there/etc?
The shooter retained his innocence by virtue of the officer committing a crime. That being the denial of due process. Whether, or not the shooter shot, had guns, or drugs; is wholly irrelevant. The facts seem to be that in this case “the bad guy” was in fact the victim of a crime. And bad people can in fact also be victims. The idea that this crime was perpetrated upon him by law enforcement only serves to make it more aggregious...
if the shooter had drugs = criminal = needs to be arrested
Irrelevant. All of those “facts” are “fruit of the forbidden tree”. None of this could be known, if the officer hadn’t committed crimes against the suspect in order to confirm them.
arresting criminals is wrong......??!!!
 
The notion that the ends justify the means; is a one way street to a totalitarian, police state...
 
CNN--hahahahahahh..ever hear of Jussie Smollett/etc ? [fake/lies/bullshit ]
..so innocent people shot the cops???!!!!???? please tell us the reason why the innocent people shot at the cops?
..so the big question is, did they find drugs there/etc?
The shooter retained his innocence by virtue of the officer committing a crime. That being the denial of due process. Whether, or not the shooter shot, had guns, or drugs; is wholly irrelevant. The facts seem to be that in this case “the bad guy” was in fact the victim of a crime. And bad people can in fact also be victims. The idea that this crime was perpetrated upon him by law enforcement only serves to make it more aggregious...
if the shooter had drugs = criminal = needs to be arrested
Irrelevant. All of those “facts” are “fruit of the forbidden tree”. None of this could be known, if the officer hadn’t committed crimes against the suspect in order to confirm them.
arresting criminals is wrong......??!!!
Again... innocent until proven guilty. If he was so sure that this guy was an actual criminal. He wouldn’t have had to break the law, and risk the lives of his fellow officers, under false pretenses... So he broke the law, and went on a fishing expedition. The idea that he “got a bite”, is wholly irrelevant.
 
CNN--hahahahahahh..ever hear of Jussie Smollett/etc ? [fake/lies/bullshit ]
..so innocent people shot the cops???!!!!???? please tell us the reason why the innocent people shot at the cops?
..so the big question is, did they find drugs there/etc?
The shooter retained his innocence by virtue of the officer committing a crime. That being the denial of due process. Whether, or not the shooter shot, had guns, or drugs; is wholly irrelevant. The facts seem to be that in this case “the bad guy” was in fact the victim of a crime. And bad people can in fact also be victims. The idea that this crime was perpetrated upon him by law enforcement only serves to make it more aggregious...
if the shooter had drugs = criminal = needs to be arrested
Irrelevant. All of those “facts” are “fruit of the forbidden tree”. None of this could be known, if the officer hadn’t committed crimes against the suspect in order to confirm them.
arresting criminals is wrong......??!!!
You tell me. Should this cop who broke the law be arrested..?
 
CNN--hahahahahahh..ever hear of Jussie Smollett/etc ? [fake/lies/bullshit ]
..so innocent people shot the cops???!!!!???? please tell us the reason why the innocent people shot at the cops?
..so the big question is, did they find drugs there/etc?

No they didn't.
 
Cops die because they don't have the trust of the people. As long as it takes something like this to expose bad cops instead of the cops policing their own, they will never have the trust of the people.
 
CNN--hahahahahahh..ever hear of Jussie Smollett/etc ? [fake/lies/bullshit ]
..so innocent people shot the cops???!!!!???? please tell us the reason why the innocent people shot at the cops?
..so the big question is, did they find drugs there/etc?

It was a no knock search warrant here in Texas, so the old saying goes " shoot first, ask later " when someone is kicking in my door.

The Cop is in deep shit and they are reviewing all his cases...
 
CNN--hahahahahahh..ever hear of Jussie Smollett/etc ? [fake/lies/bullshit ]
..so innocent people shot the cops???!!!!???? please tell us the reason why the innocent people shot at the cops?
..so the big question is, did they find drugs there/etc?

The ends never justify the means.
 
A week or so ago, the Internet and the News noticed that five cops were shot during a search warrant on a drug dealer. Since that time, the story has evolved, and we’ve discovered that the cop who got the Search Warrant, Officer Gerald Goines lied when getting the warrant. He claimed that his Informants had made a buy at that location, and thus proved that the baddies were in fact dealing drugs, and selling drugs, from that location.

Only the informants say they never did it. So Goines lied, and according to the Police themselves, is in a lot of trouble over it. Houston officer lied in search warrant leading to drug raid that left 2 people dead, 5 officers hurt, affidavit says - CNN

Another case has already been dismissed, since how do you put the cop up there and swear he followed the rules, when you know he didn’t in another case? One of Goines' cases dismissed amid review of HPD officer's work

But the question I asked in the title remains. Who is responsible?

The Law says that any injuries or deaths that result from the commission of a crime, are the responsibility of everyone participating in the crime. In other words, if you and three buddies rob a bank, and someone dies, all of the robbers are responsible for the death.

But in this case, the cop, Goines is responsible for the first crime, the illegal search and seizure, perjury to get the warrant. Shouldn’t all the deaths be laid at his feet? Shouldn’t he face charges of murder, attempted murder, and I’m sure reckless endangerment and all that sort of thing? If he had not lied on the Affidavit, then the Search Warrant would not have been issued, and nobody would have been there to get shot, and die. Everyone would still be alive, or uninjured.

For a couple decades, I have railed against cops lying as part of their job. This case shows just how bad it is for the cops to lie. Not only does the Guilty Drug Dealer go free, but the cops end up injured, or dead, because of the lie. Worse, all the other cases this cop was a participant in, are now suspect. Any attorney six months out of Law School could tear him apart on the Stand, and nobody is going to believe he only lied that once. Dozens or perhaps hundreds of people are going to get out of prison, and have all charges and convictions against them dropped, because of one cop who wanted to cut corners.

We should charge Officer Gerald Goines with Murder, and Attempted Murder of a police officer. We should insure he spends the rest of his life in prison. We should hold the police to the same exact standard we hold everyone else to, and anyone else who committed a crime that resulted in deaths would be charged that way.
That is the way the job is done in most cases. The informant makes the buy the evidence is given to the team. The evidence is taken to the lab and Id. Next the evidence is put in front of a Judge, the Judge makes the decision if the evidence is creditable. He issues the warrant. Next the team makes the raid. That is how it is done. Someone bought drugs at that location and that is all that is required by law.
 
CNN--hahahahahahh..ever hear of Jussie Smollett/etc ? [fake/lies/bullshit ]
..so innocent people shot the cops???!!!!???? please tell us the reason why the innocent people shot at the cops?
..so the big question is, did they find drugs there/etc?

The ends never justify the means.
....appears these were bad guys--last time I checked you can't fire on cops for serving a warrant
..no harm-no foul--
..appears this cop is getting the job done even with the stupid red tape--like Dirty Harry
...we do want the criminals taken out
 
CNN--hahahahahahh..ever hear of Jussie Smollett/etc ? [fake/lies/bullshit ]
..so innocent people shot the cops???!!!!???? please tell us the reason why the innocent people shot at the cops?
..so the big question is, did they find drugs there/etc?

It was a no knock search warrant here in Texas, so the old saying goes " shoot first, ask later " when someone is kicking in my door.

The Cop is in deep shit and they are reviewing all his cases...
see post # 17
 
CNN--hahahahahahh..ever hear of Jussie Smollett/etc ? [fake/lies/bullshit ]
..so innocent people shot the cops???!!!!???? please tell us the reason why the innocent people shot at the cops?
..so the big question is, did they find drugs there/etc?
The shooter retained his innocence by virtue of the officer committing a crime. That being the denial of due process. Whether, or not the shooter shot, had guns, or drugs; is wholly irrelevant. The facts seem to be that in this case “the bad guy” was in fact the victim of a crime. And bad people can in fact also be victims. The idea that this crime was perpetrated upon him by law enforcement only serves to make it more aggregious...
if the shooter had drugs = criminal = needs to be arrested
Irrelevant. All of those “facts” are “fruit of the forbidden tree”. None of this could be known, if the officer hadn’t committed crimes against the suspect in order to confirm them.
arresting criminals is wrong......??!!!
You tell me. Should this cop who broke the law be arrested..?
see post # 17
 
The shooter retained his innocence by virtue of the officer committing a crime. That being the denial of due process. Whether, or not the shooter shot, had guns, or drugs; is wholly irrelevant. The facts seem to be that in this case “the bad guy” was in fact the victim of a crime. And bad people can in fact also be victims. The idea that this crime was perpetrated upon him by law enforcement only serves to make it more aggregious...
if the shooter had drugs = criminal = needs to be arrested
Irrelevant. All of those “facts” are “fruit of the forbidden tree”. None of this could be known, if the officer hadn’t committed crimes against the suspect in order to confirm them.
arresting criminals is wrong......??!!!
You tell me. Should this cop who broke the law be arrested..?
see post # 17
So... By post #17... When is the cop getting taken out..?
 

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