Who Is Occupying Who's Land?

[toastman]

You haven't made any actual points. All you have done is spread some childish buzz terms that reveal that you are capable of repeating the sorts of simplistic framing devices found at anti Israel hate sites, but have no real knowledge of history.

Were you somehow under the impression that this puerile ranting about "colonial invaders" was impressive?

Clearly my grasp of history is superior to yours, what with you thinking that the Ottomans sold land to Israelis.

And no. Not impressive. Just accurate.

The area in question was, indeed, part of the Ottoman Empire whether you are honest enough to admit it or not. Land was purchased, and again, despite your dishonesty.

.Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The Zionists/Jews had purchased less than 7% of Palestine by 1947. That dog won't hunt. Plus, just because foreigners buy land in a country, it doesn't become their country.

They didn't buy land in a country, they bought land in an unincorporated entity. Stop lying

 

[montelatici]

You haven't made any actual points. All you have done is spread some childish buzz terms that reveal that you are capable of repeating the sorts of simplistic framing devices found at anti Israel hate sites, but have no real knowledge of history.

Were you somehow under the impression that this puerile ranting about "colonial invaders" was impressive?

Clearly my grasp of history is superior to yours, what with you thinking that the Ottomans sold land to Israelis.

And no. Not impressive. Just accurate.

The area in question was, indeed, part of the Ottoman Empire whether you are honest enough to admit it or not. Land was purchased, and again, despite your dishonesty.

.Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The Zionists/Jews had purchased less than 7% of Palestine by 1947. That dog won't hunt. Plus, just because foreigners buy land in a country, it doesn't become their country.

They didn't buy land in a country, they bought land in an unincorporated entity. Stop lying

They bought land where other people, Christians and Muslims were living. The bastards took more of the nland away from them and then expelled them. Disgusting aggressive bastards took land and expelled the people that were living there.

 

[Hossfly]

You haven't made any actual points. All you have done is spread some childish buzz terms that reveal that you are capable of repeating the sorts of simplistic framing devices found at anti Israel hate sites, but have no real knowledge of history.

Were you somehow under the impression that this puerile ranting about "colonial invaders" was impressive?

Clearly my grasp of history is superior to yours, what with you thinking that the Ottomans sold land to Israelis.

And no. Not impressive. Just accurate.

The area in question was, indeed, part of the Ottoman Empire whether you are honest enough to admit it or not. Land was purchased, and again, despite your dishonesty.

.Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The Zionists/Jews had purchased less than 7% of Palestine by 1947. That dog won't hunt. Plus, just because foreigners buy land in a country, it doesn't become their country.

They didn't buy land in a country, they bought land in an unincorporated entity. Stop lying

They bought land where other people, Christians and Muslims were living. The bastards took more of the nland away from them and then expelled them. Disgusting aggressive bastards took land and expelled the people that were living there.

Who told you that lie? Tinmore?

 

[toastman]

You haven't made any actual points. All you have done is spread some childish buzz terms that reveal that you are capable of repeating the sorts of simplistic framing devices found at anti Israel hate sites, but have no real knowledge of history.

Were you somehow under the impression that this puerile ranting about "colonial invaders" was impressive?

Clearly my grasp of history is superior to yours, what with you thinking that the Ottomans sold land to Israelis.

And no. Not impressive. Just accurate.

The area in question was, indeed, part of the Ottoman Empire whether you are honest enough to admit it or not. Land was purchased, and again, despite your dishonesty.

.Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The Zionists/Jews had purchased less than 7% of Palestine by 1947. That dog won't hunt. Plus, just because foreigners buy land in a country, it doesn't become their country.

They didn't buy land in a country, they bought land in an unincorporated entity. Stop lying

They bought land where other people, Christians and Muslims were living. The bastards took more of the nland away from them and then expelled them. Disgusting aggressive bastards took land and expelled the people that were living there.

No they didn't you lying deluded pro Palestinian.
They bought empty land to build kibbutzim and moshavs.
I think this is the third lie I caught you saying tonight alone.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

. As far as a dummy like you calling others like me that have forgotten more than you will ever learn about the conflict well, that's just what a dummy would say.

Goodness - I wouldn't have expected you to be suffering from memory problems until you were out of your teens.

Have you considered asking your parents to take you to a doctor who specializes in these sorts of things?

 

[Beelzebub]

I sure am opposed to this Gaza concentration camp committed by Israel. Aren't you?

Every decent person should be.
Gaza is forced to be one of the most densely populated places in the world, with few jobs, restricted food, restricted access to the outside world, and the people killed at will by the IDF.

So yes.
What's your point?

Finally we agree on something. This sure is one hell of a concentration camp.

Damn straight it is.

What you need to ask yourself, MJB, is would the same prison conditions - with the area a free-fire Zone for Americans / Israelis - be acceptable for millions of Jews.

If they are not suitable for Jews, then they are not acceptable for anyone else either.

 

[Phoenall]

You haven't made any actual points. All you have done is spread some childish buzz terms that reveal that you are capable of repeating the sorts of simplistic framing devices found at anti Israel hate sites, but have no real knowledge of history.

Were you somehow under the impression that this puerile ranting about "colonial invaders" was impressive?

Clearly my grasp of history is superior to yours, what with you thinking that the Ottomans sold land to Israelis.

And no. Not impressive. Just accurate.

The area in question was, indeed, part of the Ottoman Empire whether you are honest enough to admit it or not. Land was purchased, and again, despite your dishonesty.

.Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The Zionists/Jews had purchased less than 7% of Palestine by 1947. That dog won't hunt. Plus, just because foreigners buy land in a country, it doesn't become their country.

And the arab muslims had purchased less than 1% of the land, so what right do they have to the land. So your dog wont hunt either will it. You seem to think that because arab muslims squatted on the land it gives then the right to claim ownership, well NEWS FLASH they dont

 

[MJB12741]

The basic fact is that people from Europe went to Palestine and expelled many of the people that were living there, that happened to be Muslim and Christian. If anyone, including Rocco, can deny this fact, bring it on.

The fact that you see the situation so simple like you just said, shows how brainwashed you are and how much you distort history..

How is this basic fact not a fact? How is it a distortion of the fact when states that people from Europe went to Palestine and expelled many of the people that were living there? It is you that is attempting to distort, justify or otherwise disguise what actually happened.

Because it is not a fact is it, they were invited and only expelled those who would do harm to Israel and it citizens. All legal under International law as well. I don't see you complaining about all the Jews expelled by the Palestinians before this, why is this.

No Jews were expelled by the Palestinians you big bullshitter. That's all you do, you bullshit.

What do you think the Palestinians and Arabs were trying to do in 1948?? Expel every single Jew from the region. But Israel didn't allow for that to happen.
And you, being the biggest bullshitter here, have no right to call anyone else a bullshitter

Please let us be kind to Monte. Where else would we go for laughs if he leaves us here?

 

[montelatici]

The fact that you see the situation so simple like you just said, shows how brainwashed you are and how much you distort history..

How is this basic fact not a fact? How is it a distortion of the fact when states that people from Europe went to Palestine and expelled many of the people that were living there? It is you that is attempting to distort, justify or otherwise disguise what actually happened.

Because it is not a fact is it, they were invited and only expelled those who would do harm to Israel and it citizens. All legal under International law as well. I don't see you complaining about all the Jews expelled by the Palestinians before this, why is this.

No Jews were expelled by the Palestinians you big bullshitter. That's all you do, you bullshit.

What do you think the Palestinians and Arabs were trying to do in 1948?? Expel every single Jew from the region. But Israel didn't allow for that to happen.
And you, being the biggest bullshitter here, have no right to call anyone else a bullshitter

Please let us be kind to Monte. Where else would we go for laughs if he leaves us here?

You and Phoney are good for laughs. Dumb and dumber at work. LOL

You haven't made any actual points. All you have done is spread some childish buzz terms that reveal that you are capable of repeating the sorts of simplistic framing devices found at anti Israel hate sites, but have no real knowledge of history.

Were you somehow under the impression that this puerile ranting about "colonial invaders" was impressive?

Clearly my grasp of history is superior to yours, what with you thinking that the Ottomans sold land to Israelis.

And no. Not impressive. Just accurate.

The area in question was, indeed, part of the Ottoman Empire whether you are honest enough to admit it or not. Land was purchased, and again, despite your dishonesty.

.Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The Zionists/Jews had purchased less than 7% of Palestine by 1947. That dog won't hunt. Plus, just because foreigners buy land in a country, it doesn't become their country.

And the arab muslims had purchased less than 1% of the land, so what right do they have to the land. So your dog wont hunt either will it. You seem to think that because arab muslims squatted on the land it gives then the right to claim ownership, well NEWS FLASH they dont

Arabs, wealthy Christian and Muslims owned large tracts of land of the non-public land, below are the ownership percentages. You will always lose Phoney, I search the source documents, not propaganda or wiki. Rather than your bullshit non-Jews owned 94.22% of the land.

Ownership of land in Palestine, Share of Palestinian Arabs and Jews as of April 1st, 1943

Category of land (Fiscal categories)	Palestinians	Jews	Total
Dunums (1000 sq. meters)
Urban	76,662	70,111	146,773
Citrus	145,572	141,188	286,760
Bananas	2,300	1,430	3,730
Rural built-on area	36,851	42,330	79,181
Plantation	1,079,788	95,514	1,175,302
Cereal land (taxable)	5,503,183	814,102	6,317,285
Cereal land (not taxable)	900,294	51,049	951,343
Uncultivable	16,925,805	298,523	17,224.328
Total area:	24,670,455	1,514,247	26,184,702
Percentage	94.22%	5.8%	100%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

A Survey of Palestine prepared by the British Mandate for the UN, p. 566.

 

[docmauser1]

A Survey of Palestine prepared by the British Mandate for the UN, p. 566.

Are we supposed to believe that dearpalistanremembered.com swill?

 

[montelatici]

A Survey of Palestine prepared by the British Mandate for the UN, p. 566.

Are we supposed to believe that dearpalistanremembered.com swill?

No you are supposed to believe the UN Survey. But Foreign Policy Journal's peer reviewed articles, state more or less the same thing.

"In the whole of Palestine at the time UNSCOP issued its report, Arabs owned 85 percent of the land,[7] while Jews owned less than 7 percent.[8]

The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel - Foreign Policy Journal

 

[montelatici]

A Survey of Palestine prepared by the British Mandate for the UN, p. 566.

Are we supposed to believe that dearpalistanremembered.com swill?

No you are supposed to believe the UN Survey. But Foreign Policy Journal's peer reviewed articles, state more or less the same theing.

"In the whole of Palestine at the time UNSCOP issued its report, Arabs owned 85 percent of the land,[7] while Jews owned less than 7 percent.[8]

The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel - Foreign Policy Journal

Hey, how about the actual page from the survey. You chumps are out of your league:

 

[MJB12741]

A Survey of Palestine prepared by the British Mandate for the UN, p. 566.

Are we supposed to believe that dearpalistanremembered.com swill?

Hey Monte did you hear the one about "Israel is stealing 'Palestinian' land"? Very cleaver those Zionists building their wailing wall around the Al Asqa Mosque.

 

[Phoenall]

You haven't made any actual points. All you have done is spread some childish buzz terms that reveal that you are capable of repeating the sorts of simplistic framing devices found at anti Israel hate sites, but have no real knowledge of history.

Were you somehow under the impression that this puerile ranting about "colonial invaders" was impressive?

Clearly my grasp of history is superior to yours, what with you thinking that the Ottomans sold land to Israelis.

And no. Not impressive. Just accurate.

The area in question was, indeed, part of the Ottoman Empire whether you are honest enough to admit it or not. Land was purchased, and again, despite your dishonesty.

.Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The Zionists/Jews had purchased less than 7% of Palestine by 1947. That dog won't hunt. Plus, just because foreigners buy land in a country, it doesn't become their country.

They didn't buy land in a country, they bought land in an unincorporated entity. Stop lying

They bought land where other people, Christians and Muslims were living. The bastards took more of the nland away from them and then expelled them. Disgusting aggressive bastards took land and expelled the people that were living there.

Then what were the arab muslims doing on another persons land, you have just shown that your grasp of reality is missing. If the land was someone elses then the Palestinians were squatting illegally and could be evicted, just as if some lefty loser decided to squat on your land you would evict them. Possession is no longer a valid defence for the theft of land

 

[Phoenall]

I sure am opposed to this Gaza concentration camp committed by Israel. Aren't you?

Every decent person should be.
Gaza is forced to be one of the most densely populated places in the world, with few jobs, restricted food, restricted access to the outside world, and the people killed at will by the IDF.

So yes.
What's your point?

Finally we agree on something. This sure is one hell of a concentration camp.

Damn straight it is.

What you need to ask yourself, MJB, is would the same prison conditions - with the area a free-fire Zone for Americans / Israelis - be acceptable for millions of Jews.

If they are not suitable for Jews, then they are not acceptable for anyone else either.

It is self imposed deprivation, it was not forced on them by the Israeli's. They have had plenty of opportunities to live in peace and plenty and have refused to do so. So they have themselves to blame for the state of their lives and homes, stop the terrorism, violence and belligerence and they will be free to do what they want under International law.

 

[Phoenall]

A Survey of Palestine prepared by the British Mandate for the UN, p. 566.

Are we supposed to believe that dearpalistanremembered.com swill?

No you are supposed to believe the UN Survey. But Foreign Policy Journal's peer reviewed articles, state more or less the same thing.

"In the whole of Palestine at the time UNSCOP issued its report, Arabs owned 85 percent of the land,[7] while Jews owned less than 7 percent.[8]

The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel - Foreign Policy Journal

Then they will have valid title to the land wont they, issued by the Ottomans and British between 1850 and 1948. The details will also be entered in the land registry of the Ottomans and British kept by the UN in its archives. So how come these show that less than 1% of the land was owned by arab muslims. 84% was owned by absentee landlords in other Ottoman areas who willingly sold the land to the Jews at 10 times the actual value.

 

[Phoenall]

A Survey of Palestine prepared by the British Mandate for the UN, p. 566.

Are we supposed to believe that dearpalistanremembered.com swill?

No you are supposed to believe the UN Survey. But Foreign Policy Journal's peer reviewed articles, state more or less the same theing.

"In the whole of Palestine at the time UNSCOP issued its report, Arabs owned 85 percent of the land,[7] while Jews owned less than 7 percent.[8]

The Myth of the U.N. Creation of Israel - Foreign Policy Journal

Hey, how about the actual page from the survey. You chumps are out of your league:

View attachment 32262

Which very clearly says that the arab muslims owned 0.8% of the land, and the Jews owned 4.2%. You are mixing up population density with land ownership child in an attempt at proving a LIE

 

[toastman]

I sure am opposed to this Gaza concentration camp committed by Israel. Aren't you?

Every decent person should be.
Gaza is forced to be one of the most densely populated places in the world, with few jobs, restricted food, restricted access to the outside world, and the people killed at will by the IDF.

So yes.
What's your point?

Finally we agree on something. This sure is one hell of a concentration camp.

Damn straight it is.

What you need to ask yourself, MJB, is would the same prison conditions - with the area a free-fire Zone for Americans / Israelis - be acceptable for millions of Jews.

If they are not suitable for Jews, then they are not acceptable for anyone else either.

I can't get over what an idiot you are. Your posts are mind boggling.
Why don't you do a little research on concentration camps during WW2

 

[Youch]

Europeans and Muslims have both hated Jews, and this monte dude above cites them both as authorities to defend anti-Israeli rhetoric.

Let's pretend for a second this anti-Israel rhetoric is true. Let's pretend Jerusalem is not the birthplace of Judaism.....let's say it was born in a suburb of Madison, Wisconsin. Let's pretend that since 1947 the small nation of Israel has been illegitimate. Let's pretend that population explosions in neighboring nations and regions did not force mass migration to what later became known as Palestine, but instead those growing masses had always occupied the region (and that the erstwhile PLO was actually enamored by peace and harmony). Okay, got the scenario? Given all that, does it justify genocide?

 

[montelatici]

Europeans and Muslims have both hated Jews, and this monte dude above cites them both as authorities to defend anti-Israeli rhetoric.

Let's pretend for a second this anti-Israel rhetoric is true. Let's pretend Jerusalem is not the birthplace of Judaism.....let's say it was born in a suburb of Madison, Wisconsin. Let's pretend that since 1947 the small nation of Israel has been illegitimate. Let's pretend that population explosions in neighboring nations and regions did not force mass migration to what later became known as Palestine, but instead those growing masses had always occupied the region (and that the erstwhile PLO was actually enamored by peace and harmony). Okay, got the scenario? Given all that, does it justify genocide?

There was no mass migration of non-Jews into Palestine, that is just Zionist propaganda. The UN document "A Survey of Palestine", the last survey published prior to partition, clearly states in Chapter VI, page 140 that “expansion of the Moslem and Christian populations is due mainly to natural increase, while that of the Jews is due mainly to immigration.”

Page 160, and the relevant table are depicted below: