Who Here Has Had Enough of the Two Party System?

[j-mac]

Not proposing any solutions here. Just trying to get a feel for where are.

America's two-party system is failing us

Cooper is the author of “ How America Works … and Why it Doesn’t. ” Are Kamala Harris and Donald Trump really the two best candidates for America's most demanding and important job? Hardly. Trump tried to reverse the last election. And while Harris would be a reversion toward the mean — after an...

thefulcrum.us

Oh goody, another parade of progressives claiming they aren’t democrats…

 

[dblack]

At this point, I believe it's impossible to have a third party system.
The third party will suck the vote from one of the two party's which
will ensure a victory for the other one. I remember Ross Perot pulling
19% mostly from the repubs which cost them the election, IMO

There are many different ideas for getting around that. The question of the thread is, do we want to?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

What tires me are all the idiots who only know what team they are on.

Mindless proles, all.

 

[j-mac]

No one I've voted for in a long time has signed off on our 37 trillion of debt.

List your voting history with proof please.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

I go with 40 years, but yeah.

My view is that the parties should be banned and that expanding the "right to vote" has been an absolute disaster for our country, with the idiocracy of the voters driving this entire system.

Perhaps Hamilton was right - that an aristocracy of educated voters should decide things rather than the easily manipulated masses, of course that's not a perfect solution, but, at the very least the right to vote should come with an exam of sorts, as well as literacy tests.

 

[pknopp]

List your voting history with proof please.

With proof? Lol. All you are saying is you have your taught response and nothing will change that.

 

[Meister]

There are many different ideas for getting around that. The question of the thread is, do we want to?

Okay, I'll delete my post, don't want to upset you.

 

[j-mac]

With proof? Lol. All you are saying is you have your taught response and nothing will change that.

lol, so you just proved that you were lying there…good job numb nuts.

 

[pknopp]

lol, so you just proved that you were lying there…good job numb nuts.

How exactly does one provide "proof"? Lol

 

[Darkwind]

Pineapple.

 

[Orangecat]

IMHO, the two parties have created a stranglehold on the election process in this country. Not particularly good, that, but I also can see how it’s evolving to represent the will of the electorate. Both parties have been taken over by different, newer factions than controlled them in the past. The Republican Party has moved more toward the center as Trump (former democrat) has proven to be its leader/figurehead. The democrats have shifted to the left, embracing socialist/communist rhetoric, as evidenced by the rise of Bernie Sanders, AOC, democratic-socialism, and the next likely mayor of NYC.
In short, there are only two viable parties, but they both are evolving to represent the shifting politically dominant factions of the electorate. Trump won because he’s more centrist and dems are losing because they are taking increasingly more fringe positions.

 

[j-mac]

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It’s easy liar, just prove what you posted…Don’t like your own standards do you?

 

[dblack]

Okay, I'll delete my post, don't want to upset you.

LOL - you didn't upset me. And I wasn't complaining about your post. Just curious if you think the two-party system is a problem, or not.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Not proposing any solutions here. Just trying to get a feel for where are.

America's two-party system is failing us

Cooper is the author of “ How America Works … and Why it Doesn’t. ” Are Kamala Harris and Donald Trump really the two best candidates for America's most demanding and important job? Hardly. Trump tried to reverse the last election. And while Harris would be a reversion toward the mean — after an...

thefulcrum.us

/----/ The article is left wing bullshyt, and your question doesn't provide an alternative choice.
With a three-party system, nothing would get done; everything would grind to a halt in a bad way. Besides, we already have dozens of political parties. The third one is Independent.
Let's say an independent wins the presidency. He/she would have to deal with one or the other party, because Independent would never hold a majority. It would be Indie/DemocRAt or Indie/Republican, and we'd be right back where we stand today.
I'm so sick of this idiotic idea about getting rid of the two-party system. I've heard it for 50 years.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

IMHO, the two parties have created a stranglehold on the election process in this country. Not particularly good, that, but I also can see how it’s evolving to represent the will of the electorate. Both parties have been taken over by different, newer factions than controlled them in the past. The Republican Party has moved more toward the center as Trump (former democrat) has proven to be its leader/figurehead. The democrats have shifted to the left, embracing socialist/communist rhetoric, as evidenced by the rise of Bernie Sanders, AIC, democratic-socialism, and the next likely mayor of NYC.
In short, there are only two viable parties, but they both are evolving to represent the shifting politically dominant factions of the electorate. Trump won because he’s more centrist and dems are losing because they are taking increasingly more fringe positions.

Yeah I personally consider Trump a "Centrist". A lot of his policies when you look at them on their own are Centrist, even perhaps left-leaning. Just that the Democrats are so far left that he looks "right wing" when he really isn't.

 

[j-mac]

How exactly does one provide "proof"? Lol

You made the claim, that’s for you to back up…

 

[pknopp]

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It’s easy liar, just prove what you posted…Don’t like your own standards do you?

I've only been here two elections.

This time. Vermin Supreme. 2020 Jo Jorgensen. 2016 Jill Stein. 2012 Vermin Supreme. 2008 Bob Barr. 2004 Michael Badnarik. 2000 Bush (and I learned my lesson with that one).

I already noted I did not. In 2008 I voted for Barr and 2012 I voted Vermin Supreme.

 

[Thinker101]

Not proposing any solutions here. Just trying to get a feel for where are.

America's two-party system is failing us

Cooper is the author of “ How America Works … and Why it Doesn’t. ” Are Kamala Harris and Donald Trump really the two best candidates for America's most demanding and important job? Hardly. Trump tried to reverse the last election. And while Harris would be a reversion toward the mean — after an...

thefulcrum.us

Don't you worry, if Mamdani wins NY, the Socialist Party will splinter from the Democrats. What then? You'll want 4 parties?

 

[lg325]

The people who are angry with the system have no one to blame but them selves. Get involved and be apart of the change.
Involvement in the inter Party politics is how the system will change. When it comes to interparty politics the name of the game is hardball. Its not for the non - serious players. Even on the county level you can have a strong effect on the direction of the Party and government of the nation. The media plays down the importance of Party Conventions but there is the power of change there for those who care.

 

[dblack]

/----/ The article is left wing bullshyt, and your question doesn't provide an alternative choice.

Yeah. I didn't want to get mired in arguing over solutions. Just curious if you think our current system of elections is working well. Do you agree with the founders who feared the dominance of two opposed factions?