Who Does ICE Think They Are?

[Dogmaphobe]

So, you’d like to see law enforcement and their families killed?

Yes, he is a DNC operative.

 

[rightwinger]

What do you and rightwinger call brown people who break into your home against your will and force you cover all their expenses as they breed like rodents?

?

 

[citygator]

True, but a twisting of the truth. In context, Vance clearly meant absolute immunity from state and local prosecution for actions taken as federal.

An over-statement of the Supremacy Clause and USC 1442, which allows a federal officer charged with a crime allegedly committed while on duty to move his case to federal court.

They are not immune from federal prosecution as Vance clarified later.

So the claim that ice agents are being told that they have absolute immunity is a false claim.


Blatantly false.

Your article's complaint and the complaint from Democrats about ICE warrants is based on ICE's use of administrative warrants.

You can disagree with administrative warrants and present your arguments against them. But if LEO'S use administrative warrants, it is completely false to say "without warrants."

That is two of your claims. Do you have better backup for the rest?

To discuss something counterfactual, suppose all that you said was true; that the administration had ordered agents to do all of those things. Do you realize that that would give them qualified immunity based on following their training?

There was a case where a trigger happy cop shot an unarmed man, because he reached back to pull up his shorts while the cop was making him crawl toward him. No resistance, no gun visible, no one yelling "gun, gun, gun!" He got off scott free because dammed if he didnt produce a training manual that said if someone appears to be reaching for something to shoot them.

I'm sure there is a way to blame Trump for that one also, though.

I offered up irrefutable support. Vance 100% said what I attributed to him. THEN Alex was clearly murdered and Vance PROVED he thinks they have absolute immunity by defending the murder. ICE is told they are immune from everything AND they are shown they are immune from everything. You are dead ass wrong here. Blatantly wrong.

I offered up a 100% verifiable memo stating explicitly ICE can ignore the 4th amendment. Using an administrative warrant to enter a home is a clear violation of the 4th amendment. These warrants are issued by an officer not a judge and do not meet the 4th amendment standards. This is settled law. There is no dispute. You care nothing for the law only for Trump's will. Take your fascist self out of here.

• Payton v. New York (1980): Police cannot enter a home to make an arrest without a judicial warrant
• Camara v. Municipal Court (1967): Administrative warrants do not override Fourth Amendment protections
• INS v. Delgado (1984): Immigration enforcement is still bound by the Constitution

 

[Seymour Flops]

I offered up irrefutable support. Vance 100% said what I attributed to him. THEN Alex was clearly murdered and Vance PROVED he thinks they have absolute immunity by defending the murder. ICE is told they are immune from everything AND they are shown they are immune from everything. You are dead ass wrong here. Blatantly wrong.

Your evidence was not irrefutable as to interpretation based on additional facts. I refuted the conclusions you made with additional facts.

I offered up a 100% verifiable memo stating explicitly ICE can ignore the 4th amendment. Using an administrative warrant to enter a home is a clear violation of the 4th amendment. These warrants are issued by an officer not a judge and do not meet the 4th amendment standards. This is settled law. There is no dispute. You care nothing for the law only for Trump's will. Take your fascist self out of here.
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There is no settled law that administrative warrants are not valid. That being the democrats' new talking point does not make it "settled law."

• Payton v. New York (1980): Police cannot enter a home to make an arrest without a judicial warrant

The ruling in that case was about entering a home for a routine arrest with no warrant at all. It has nothing to do with the validity of administrative warrants.

Once again, some left wing website steered you wrong. Next time, try reading the case for yourself.

• Camara v. Municipal Court (1967): Administrative warrants do not override Fourth Amendment protections

Of course not. It is the fourth amendment that mentions warrants in the first place.

It says nothing about requiring a warrant to be issued by a judge or banning administrative warrants. Again always best to read for yourself:

Full Text of the U.S. Constitution | Constitution Center

Read and share the complete text of the United States Constitution.

constitutioncenter.org

• INS v. Delgado (1984): Immigration enforcement is still bound by the Constitution

As it should.

Your mistake is to conflate "democrats don't like this" with "this is unconstitutional."

If my truths make you uncomfortable, you are welcome to ignore me.

 

[Lesh]

Administrative warrants do not allow entry into your home although Trump Admin idiots claim they do

Immigration officers assert sweeping power to enter homes without a judge's warrant, memo says

An Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press reveals that the agency allows immigration officers to forcibly enter homes to make arrests without a judicial warrant.

apnews.com

 

[citygator]

Your evidence was not irrefutable as to interpretation based on additional facts. I refuted the conclusions you made with additional facts.

There is no settled law that administrative warrants are not valid. That being the democrats' new talking point does not make it "settled law."

The ruling in that case was about entering a home for a routine arrest with no warrant at all. It has nothing to do with the validity of administrative warrants.

Once again, some left wing website steered you wrong. Next time, try reading the case for yourself.

Of course not. It is the fourth amendment that mentions warrants in the first place.

It says nothing about requiring a warrant to be issued by a judge or banning administrative warrants. Again always best to read for yourself:

Full Text of the U.S. Constitution | Constitution Center

Read and share the complete text of the United States Constitution.

constitutioncenter.org

As it should.

Your mistake is to conflate "democrats don't like this" with "this is unconstitutional."

If my truths make you uncomfortable, you are welcome to ignore me.

You couldnt be more wrong dude.

Administrative warrants are allowed only for limited regulatory searches, not criminal or civil enforcement inside homes.

This phrase appears constantly in Fourth Amendment case law:

Johnson v. United States (1948)​

“The point of the Fourth Amendment... is not that it denies law enforcement the support of the usual inferences... but that those inferences be drawn by a neutral and detached magistrate instead of the officer engaged in the often competitive enterprise of ferreting out crime.”

This single sentence destroys the concept of administrative warrants authorizing home entry.

ICE only:

• Issues I-200 & I-205 forms
• Which authorize detention
• But do not authorize forced home entry

They are custody warrants, not search warrants.

 

[SaxonJackson]

You appear to be anti-law enforcement.

I'm pro law enforcement. That would include prosecuting the sexual predators on the Epstein List.

And I'm all for law enforcement officers who follow and obey the Constitution. I'm against officers who murder unarmed men or who break into homes without warrants or who steal people's money if they're carrying too much of it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Administrative warrants do not allow entry into your home although Trump Admin idiots claim they do

Immigration officers assert sweeping power to enter homes without a judge's warrant, memo says

An Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press reveals that the agency allows immigration officers to forcibly enter homes to make arrests without a judicial warrant.

apnews.com

Show me a court case. An AP story is not a court case.

 

[Lesh]

Show me a court case. An AP story is not a court case.

An AP story with… ya know… links?

But here

Can ICE Enter a Home to Make an Arrest With Only an Administrative Warrant?

A tentative take, on both the rights and the remedies.

www.lawfaremedia.org

 

[Seymour Flops]

You couldnt be more wrong dude.

Administrative warrants are allowed only for limited regulatory searches, not criminal or civil enforcement inside homes.

This phrase appears constantly in Fourth Amendment case law:

Johnson v. United States (1948)​

This single sentence destroys the concept of administrative warrants authorizing home entry.

ICE only:

• Issues I-200 & I-205 forms
• Which authorize detention
• But do not authorize forced home entry

They are custody warrants, not search warrants.

Johnson vs. the United States (1948) says nothing about any distinction between Judicial and Administrative warrants. Neither does the 4th Amendment. Like the first case you cited, that case is about officers entering a home with no warrant at all.

Maybe case law should make that distinction. An argument could be made for that.

That said, if Democrats believe they can convince the courts to invalidate administrative warrants as a matter settled law (in the future), the correct procedure is to find a good representative case and take it up the line.

Arming up and assaulting ICE officers is not a good plan.

 

[OldFlame]

I'm pro law enforcement. That would include prosecuting the sexual predators on the Epstein List.

And I'm all for law enforcement officers who follow and obey the Constitution. I'm against officers who murder unarmed men or who break into homes without warrants or who steal people's money if they're carrying too much of it.

When you find LEO's who have done what you described, let me know.

 

[OldFlame]

/ thread.

Another anarchist weighs in. Please don't use any LE when you need them, that would be very hypocritical of you.

 

[buttercup]

I'm pro law enforcement. That would include prosecuting the sexual predators on the Epstein List.

And I'm all for law enforcement officers who follow and obey the Constitution. I'm against officers who murder unarmed men or who break into homes without warrants or who steal people's money if they're carrying too much of it.

Thank you for having common sense and decency. It seems to be a rare thing, these days.

/ thread.

 

[Seymour Flops]

An AP story with… ya know… links?

But here

Can ICE Enter a Home to Make an Arrest With Only an Administrative Warrant?

A tentative take, on both the rights and the remedies.

www.lawfaremedia.org

I don't think you read that link. If you had you would know that it doesn't support your assertion that it is "settled law" that administrative arrest warrants do not allow entry as do judicial warrants.

In fact it is very clear that there are cases on both sides.

Tell your side to chill on trying to kill ICE officers and take it to court.

 

[berg80]

Chief Minnesota judge orders acting head of ICE to appear in court to explain himself​

Minnesota’s chief federal trial judge has had it with the Trump administration’s immigration officials.

“The Court’s patience is at an end,” Chief U.S. District Judge Patrick Schiltz wrote in an order Monday.

The three-page filing is remarkable both for the government lawlessness it calls out and for how routine that lawlessness has become in Donald Trump’s second term. The reality reached a breaking point for the judge, who clerked for conservative icon Antonin Scalia and was appointed to the bench by George W. Bush.

It led the judge to take the admittedly “extraordinary step” of ordering Todd Lyons, the acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, to appear personally at a hearing Friday to explain why he shouldn’t be held in contempt.

The order came in a case in which the government had failed to provide a bond hearing or to release a person from custody as it had been ordered to do.

Chief Minnesota judge orders acting head of ICE to appear in court to explain himself

“The Court’s patience is at an end,” Chief Judge Patrick J. Schiltz wrote in a remarkable document that highlighted Trump officials’ continued violation of court orders.

www.ms.now

 

[Auld Phart]

An AP story with… ya know… links?

But here

Can ICE Enter a Home to Make an Arrest With Only an Administrative Warrant?

A tentative take, on both the rights and the remedies.

www.lawfaremedia.org

"A tentative take, on both the rights and the remedies."

got any idea what tentative means?

" something that is uncertain or subject to change : something that is tentative"

 

[OldFlame]

Thank you for having common sense and decency. It seems to be a rare thing, these days.

/ thread.

In the name of 'common sense and decency', how many illegal aliens have you personally housed and fed?

Is it 'common sense and decency' to allow millions of unvetted third world criminals into the US to steal from, assault, and murder Americans? Is that what you tell the victim's loved ones of illegal alien crimes? If they had more 'common sense and decency' they would see that their loved one's death was worth the 'cause'?

 

[SaxonJackson]

When you find LEO's who have done what you described, let me know.

There are lots and lots more where they came from. Rogue cops are more dangerous than gang members in many ways.

 

[Lesh]

In the name of 'common sense and decency', how many illegal aliens have you personally housed and fed?

Is it 'common sense and decency' to allow millions of unvetted third world criminals into the US to steal from, assault, and murder Americans? Is that what you tell the victim's loved ones of illegal alien crimes? If they had more 'common sense and decency' they would see that their loved one's death was worth the 'cause'?

Why do I need to house and feed them when my neighbors hire them and rent homes to them?

 

[OldFlame]

There are lots and lots more where they came from. Rogue cops are more dangerous than gang members in many ways.

And 'rogue' cops are prosecuted and sentenced when caught. It also doesn't support a narrative to hate all cops and paint them all with the same brush. Most of them are good people trying to get home to their family at the end of the day. That you think an armed idiot should be able to get into an altercation with them and they should do nothing to protect themselves is asinine.

And I'd take my chances with a cop over a gang member any day of the week, what a stupid thing to say, you people don't live in the real world.