Debate Now Who are the serious debaters on this forum?

[otto105]

Clinton ? Never

Hilarious that you have such a high level of TDSucking.

Debated with maga?

Not possible.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Hilarious

How many times did you vote for a sexual deviant again?

Proud to say, Biden never got my vote

 

[Chuz Life]

A number of persons on this forum do not understand how to frame an argument.

But, some of you do.

the non serious ones make wild claims, vacuous claims without substantiating them.

When asked to substantiate, I often get a snarky 'you do it'. No, the onus is always on the the ones making claims to substantiate their claims. You cannot ask others to do your work for you. That never has been the etiquette in any forum I've ever heard of and I've been on many going back to the 90s, the days of Usenet.

I will always substantiate my claim, if it exists. If it doesn't, I'll be happy to say 'it's just my opinion'. Opinions are okay, just make sure you make it clear that that is what they are. If you are making a claim of fact, then substantiate it to the best you can, and offer a path of reasoning for it, to the best that you can. See, to substantiate could just mean to supplement yuor claim, though proving it would be even better, but at least supplement it with something, or at the very minimum, a well reasoned path of logic and naming some well known examples, that would be okay.

But a wild claim, short sentence, 'Biden family are criminals' without evidence, that's not an argument. To say, 'it's in the news', that's not substantiation. A link would suffice. We could then debate the link, sure, but at least provide something, and the more, the merrier. It's called 'moving the debate forward'. Comments that do not move the debate forward are non arguments. Arguments and counter arguments move the debate forward. It's not complicated.

the non serious engage in ad hominems. The attack the source or the messenger and not the message. (yes, I've done this myself, but I would love to argue on a forum that doesn't allow it).

They who do not know how to debate do not engage in a real argument, they riddle their comments with rant words, weasel words, words of emotion and sentiment, engage in petty name calling, and wild claims without substance to them, and do not understand what a real argument is, and they do not understand the difference between an opinion and an argument, the difference between a non argument and a real argument.

For example:

Conservatives are morons. Liberals are idiots.

No, those are not arguments. Those are rants, they are sentiments, weasel words, ad homs, non arguments. Got it?

But, if I wrote: AOC's 'new deal' has issues, which are as follows (list them ) which is supported by (link to authoritative sources which supplement the argument [which, by the way, is not a violation of the 'appeals to authority' logical fallacy, because it's supplementation, not reliance upon] ).

That would be an argument. No snarky quips, no hate-AOC remarks, etc. Real arguments aren't supposed to be impressive by clever word use designed to get likes, they are supposed to be persuasive.

Who are the members of USMB who know how to debate?

Please tell me who you are and you will be the ones invited to future OPs by me on this forum. I don't care if you are right or left or something else. It's not about whether your are right or wrong, that is why we are here, to debate what is right and wrong, but some of you are disingenuous and are here only to get likes from your friends. Some of your I simply cannot take seriously. And, of course, those of you I can't take seriously will typically shoot that same claim back at me, which is, in fact, a cop out.

Who are the serious debaters? Let me know, please. PM me, if you prefer.

Please understand, I do not claim to be the god's gift to debate forums, it's not about how well we argue, I am probably even guilty of some of the sins I eschew, (but I strive, at least, not to, but, at times, it feels like I have to, with some of you) it's about how to at least adhere to a form that allows for constructive debate, and that is what I'm after.

And, another thing, we are anonymous here. All that matters is the argument, not who we are. Some are from foreign countries, it doesn't matter, all that matters is the text in the argument. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm from Texas, in case you are wondering.

Let me know, thank you.

Rumpole.

Sign me up.

 

[Chuz Life]

I'm pretty sure no one came here, to this board, for structured debate...

I did.

 

[BackAgain]

Pithy.

Pithy is good...

Unless it’s a lisp.

 

[Cellblock2429]

A number of persons on this forum do not understand how to frame an argument.

But, some of you do.

the non serious ones make wild claims, vacuous claims without substantiating them.

When asked to substantiate, I often get a snarky 'you do it'. No, the onus is always on the the ones making claims to substantiate their claims. You cannot ask others to do your work for you. That never has been the etiquette in any forum I've ever heard of and I've been on many going back to the 90s, the days of Usenet.

I will always substantiate my claim, if it exists. If it doesn't, I'll be happy to say 'it's just my opinion'. Opinions are okay, just make sure you make it clear that that is what they are. If you are making a claim of fact, then substantiate it to the best you can, and offer a path of reasoning for it, to the best that you can. See, to substantiate could just mean to supplement yuor claim, though proving it would be even better, but at least supplement it with something, or at the very minimum, a well reasoned path of logic and naming some well known examples, that would be okay.

But a wild claim, short sentence, 'Biden family are criminals' without evidence, that's not an argument. To say, 'it's in the news', that's not substantiation. A link would suffice. We could then debate the link, sure, but at least provide something, and the more, the merrier. It's called 'moving the debate forward'. Comments that do not move the debate forward are non arguments. Arguments and counter arguments move the debate forward. It's not complicated.

the non serious engage in ad hominems. The attack the source or the messenger and not the message. (yes, I've done this myself, but I would love to argue on a forum that doesn't allow it).

They who do not know how to debate do not engage in a real argument, they riddle their comments with rant words, weasel words, words of emotion and sentiment, engage in petty name calling, and wild claims without substance to them, and do not understand what a real argument is, and they do not understand the difference between an opinion and an argument, the difference between a non argument and a real argument.

For example:

Conservatives are morons. Liberals are idiots.

No, those are not arguments. Those are rants, they are sentiments, weasel words, ad homs, non arguments. Got it?

But, if I wrote: AOC's 'new deal' has issues, which are as follows (list them ) which is supported by (link to authoritative sources which supplement the argument [which, by the way, is not a violation of the 'appeals to authority' logical fallacy, because it's supplementation, not reliance upon] ).

That would be an argument. No snarky quips, no hate-AOC remarks, etc. Real arguments aren't supposed to be impressive by clever word use designed to get likes, they are supposed to be persuasive.

Who are the members of USMB who know how to debate?

Please tell me who you are and you will be the ones invited to future OPs by me on this forum. I don't care if you are right or left or something else. It's not about whether your are right or wrong, that is why we are here, to debate what is right and wrong, but some of you are disingenuous and are here only to get likes from your friends. Some of your I simply cannot take seriously. And, of course, those of you I can't take seriously will typically shoot that same claim back at me, which is, in fact, a cop out.

Who are the serious debaters? Let me know, please. PM me, if you prefer.

Please understand, I do not claim to be the god's gift to debate forums, it's not about how well we argue, I am probably even guilty of some of the sins I eschew, (but I strive, at least, not to, but, at times, it feels like I have to, with some of you) it's about how to at least adhere to a form that allows for constructive debate, and that is what I'm after.

And, another thing, we are anonymous here. All that matters is the argument, not who we are. Some are from foreign countries, it doesn't matter, all that matters is the text in the argument. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm from Texas, in case you are wondering.

Let me know, thank you.

Rumpole.

/——/ Rumphole has been AWOL for sometime now. He was the king of hyperbolic and ad hominem attacks. That makes his post ironic.

 

[Zincwarrior]

This is not a forum for debate. Frankly in the last two years I have been here, its become increasing a radical right wing forum that is likely watched heavily by the FBI. We have have neo-Nazis, militia members, racists, CSA defenders, RUssobots, and persons routinely calling for the imprisonment or murder of millions of Americans.

But its fun to pull their chain.

 

[Failzero]

This is not a forum for debate. Frankly in the last two years I have been here, its become increasing a radical right wing forum that is likely watched heavily by the FBI. We have have neo-Nazis, militia members, racists, CSA defenders, RUssobots, and persons routinely calling for the imprisonment or murder of millions of Americans.

But its fun to pull their chain.

This forum is moderated by mostly left & Middle Left types with one or two exceptions on occasion . It is rife with Far left Foreigners and Canadians / Canadiens and retirees in Mexico and now Costa Rica . And then there are the know it all 11th graders with a socialist bent . And don’t get me started about the Salt & Pepper Balding with Ponytail Socially Liberal / Fiscally Conservative types who think they are the True Liberals and that they support America better than Conservatives & Right Wingers and closet Zionists & “ Nationalist Christians “ what ever that is …

 

[Zincwarrior]

This forum is moderated by mostly left & Middle Left types with one or two exceptions on occasion . It is rife with Far left Foreigners and Canadians / Canadiens and retirees in Mexico and now Costa Rica . And then there are the know it all 11th graders with a socialist bent . And don’t get me started about the Salt & Pepper Balding with Ponytail Socially Liberal / Fiscally Conservative types who think they are the True Liberals and that they support America better than Conservatives & Right Wingers and closet Zionists & “ Nationalist Christians “ what ever that is …

You have USMB confused with Democratic Underground or something.

 

[Failzero]

You have USMB confused with Democratic Underground or something.

It is the DU Lite ( Without a 100% instant Perma ban policy )

 

[Failzero]

You have USMB confused with Democratic Underground or something.

Who spends more time here in last 5 years me or you ?

 

[Zincwarrior]

It is the DU Lite ( Without a 100% instant Perma ban policy )

If this is DU lite, what is the MAGA forum? Asking for a friend.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Who spends more time here in last 5 years me or you ?

That doesn't prove the point you think it does...

 

[Failzero]

If this is DU lite, what is the MAGA forum? Asking for a friend.

Let me know so I can go there , because all the other ones that were supposed to be banned me or Perma Banned me because I called them out on their closeted Social Liberalism

 

[Zincwarrior]

Let me know so I can go there , because all the other ones that were supposed to be banned me or Perma Banned me because I called them out on their closeted Social Liberalism

So there are no more right wing forums than this?

 

[Failzero]

So there are no more right wing forums than this?

This forum board is middle left at best ( overall )

 

[MarathonMike]

Hard to assess if USMB is Left, Right or Center since we don't have a proportionate number of posts from each group. There are a couple dozen Leftists on this board who post a couple of hundred times a day perhaps skewing the perception of the board as Left-leaning. I tend to think it is right-leaning with quite good moderation, certainly relative to what else is out there.

 

[Failzero]

Most of the Mod / Admins / Stealth Mods trend left of center ( with a couple of exceptions )

 

[Chuz Life]

Most of the Mod / Admins / Stealth Mods trend left of center ( with a couple of exceptions )

There is only one mod. The rest are either socks or subordinates.

 

[MarathonMike]

Most of the Mod / Admins / Stealth Mods trend left of center ( with a couple of exceptions )

I agree with that, but the moderation is not nearly as overbearing as most other boards as you have referenced.