Who are the real traitors?

[frigidweirdo]

Germany is better than here eh? Ok.

Now, give Germany the logistical problems of the US and see if their system is better.

You think the German government is not influenced by big business?

Holy shit.

Let me give some examples

The US govt has possibly billions of $1 coins sat somewhere unused. They can't use them. Zimbabwe wants to use them, but that can't happen. The US people could use them, but that can't happen because of the dollar bills.
You know why they won't get rid of dollar bills and save millions/billions of dollars? Because one company goes to their senators and says "hey, don't get rid of the dollar bills". So they don't.
Yeah, ONE COMPANY can waste millions/billions of dollars or tax payers money just so they can keep their profits.

Whereas in Germany, they changed from the Deutsche-mark to the Euro, easy as. They didn't let big business get in the way and stop it happening. It helped their economy massively, it benefited smaller companies and bigger companies.

Some people weren't happy, but it happened. Oh, and their economy is BOOMING.

German unemployment

US uenmployment rate

Let's play spot the difference.
Oh, and the German rate includes East Germany which the West took on board and spend more than 20 years trying to sort out and having it as a big problem stuck on the side. East German unemployment is higher than West German unemployment right now. So imagine what West German's unemployment rate is right now.

What about healthcare? Canada spends 15% on admin, the US spends 30%. Corruption with doctors and drugs companies is massive. Hence why the US spends more than double per capita than any other country in the world on healthcare.

The Germans spend a lot less than the US.

http://www.who.int/gho/publications/world_health_statistics/EN_WHS2013_Part3.pdf?ua=1

Life expectancy - Germany 81 in 2011 : US 79 in 2011 (see 1)
Immunizations - Germany about 99% in 2011 : US about 88-94% (see 4)
Population using improved drinking water sources - Germany 100% in 2011 : US 99% in 2011 (see 5)
Physicians - Germany 36.9 : US 24.2 (see 6)

Health system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Infant mortality - Germany 3.48 : US 5.9
Preventable deaths per 100,000- Germany 76 : US 96

But this isn't me saying the US govt is totally bad. It's bad, it's corrupt, nothing seems to move unless it involves killing, invading or "US interests" (read oil and other resources). Germany isn't exactly a country that doesn't have problems. Sure it has problems, the US has problems. This is a comparison. The comparison is this. The German govts generally look after their people. They make sure education is about the people, health is about the people, many, many issues are about the people.
In the US issues aren't about the people. Not one bit. They about the big money that pours into the politicians's coffers.

Political spending in Germany

Party finance in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the 2006-2009 election cycle the 6 political parties spent €1.8 billion (about $2.4 billion)

The US spend nearly $7 billion, mainly from 2 political parties. Now the population of Germany is 80 million and the US is 300 million, so about 3.5 times larger. So the spending isn't much different. However for Germany this is about 6 political parties to the US's 2.


The main 2 parties in an election year can spend about €200 million, and smaller parties €40 million.

However this gets away from the point I'm making. The US has a problem, the two main parties have a monopoly and make the most of this and have become stagnant and corrupt.

 

[healthmyths]

Over reaching government laws have been opposed since the first peasant committed treason by saying the king cannot have first night.

Our country was born from people saying no to such overreach.

"U.S. households 'pay' $14,974 annually in regulatory hidden tax," or 23% of the average income of $65,596.

The Federal Register finished 2013 at 79,311 pages, the fourth highest total in history.

That didn't match President Obama's 2010 all-time record of 81,405 pages.

But Mr. Obama can console himself by noting that of the five highest Federal Register page counts, four have occurred on his watch.
Drawing largely on government statistics, Mr. Crews estimates that the overall cost of regulatory compliance and its economic impact is about $1.9 trillion annually.

Regulator Without Peer - WSJ.com wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304311204579505953682216682.html

How absolutely STUPID!

Every day every ONE of us break one or more of these 81,405 FEDERAL regulations!

No accounting for how many state/local regulations each one of us breaks EACH DAY!


AAF found that the cumulative number of hours spent on regulatory-related paperwork in 2013 was 10.38 billion hours, an increase of nearly 158 million hours from 2012.
The report’s author believes it would take more than 78,000 employees working full-time to complete the additional paperwork.
Regulators created many hours of paperwork in 2013 | The Daily Caller

FOR WHAT???
-- A rural Oregon man was sentenced Wednesday to 30 days in jail and over $1,500 in fines because he had three reservoirs on his property to collect and use rainwater.
-- In Hazelwood, Missouri it is actually illegal for little girls to sell girl scout cookies in the front yards of their own homes.
-- man that was arrested for hosting a Bible study in his own home. Well, it turns out that he is still in prison serving his 60 day prison sentence.
-- An 11-year-old kid down in Florida was actually arrested by police, thrown in jail and charged with a third-degree felony simply for bringing a plastic butter knife to school.
-- For example, down in Louisiana one church was recently ordered to stop giving out water because it did not have the “proper permit” to do so.

19 Examples Of How Control Freaks Are Killing America With Their Completely Ridiculous Regulations

 

[KNB]

Reagan was a traitor for selling weapons to terrorists.

Will Conservative agree with this simple assessment?

 

[Unkotare]

The US govt has possibly billions of $1 coins sat somewhere unused. They can't use them.

They can and they do use them. Dollar coins are in circulation right now.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

"Constitutional" Militia?

The Constitutional Militia is under the control of the United States Congress.

The "Militia" that went to Nevada and put women and children in front of them while they were training their sniper rifles and military assault weapons on duly appointed agents of the federal government were terrorists.

That's only if they're called forth by Congress. It's assumed that the Militia already exists before they are called, and are self-governing until then.

Also, as the Officers of the Militias are appointed by the State Governments...

 

[KNB]

Also, as the Officers of the Militias are appointed by the State Governments...

Which state government appointed the officers of this "militia"? What are the officers' names?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Anyone who has pledged to serve the people, but have put party, or personal interest first is a traitor!

This administration is the most treasonist bunch the country has ever known; their preeminent concern is their Marxist agenda. They have attempted to fundamentally change our country through prevarication, usurpation, and deceit; their agenda supersedes lawfulness!

Most treasonist?

Go back to class. And stop off at the detox center on your way.

 

[S.J.]

Reagan was a traitor for selling weapons to terrorists.

Will Conservative agree with this simple assessment?

Will liberals agree that Obama is a traitor for selling weapons to al Qaeda?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Just that?

No.

Just a prime example.


Democrats help our enemies in numerous ways. I don't have the time nor the inclination to go into great detail because you know this anyway. You've been told it's okay.

Okay, and why is this an example of a traitor?

Funding terrorists for example? Namely the Muslim Brotherhood? What about giving tanks and jets to the Egyptians? You're kidding right?

 

[mudwhistle]

"Constitutional" Militia?

The Constitutional Militia is under the control of the United States Congress.

The "Militia" that went to Nevada and put women and children in front of them while they were training their sniper rifles and military assault weapons on duly appointed agents of the federal government were terrorists.

Yet you admire Muslim terrorists that have been doing that for decades......

 

[mudwhistle]

No.

Just a prime example.


Democrats help our enemies in numerous ways. I don't have the time nor the inclination to go into great detail because you know this anyway. You've been told it's okay.

Okay, and why is this an example of a traitor?

Funding terrorists for example? Namely the Muslim Brotherhood? What about giving tanks and jets to the Egyptians? You're kidding right?

Still sending $2 billion to Pakistan....

 

[pvsi]

Actually, he's lying the nation into an unwinnable war that will cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars, and he knows it.

Powell Admits False WMD Claim | The Nation

He is one of the scales of the snake. Who is the head of it? His first name rhymes with "Sick"..

I refer you to 1 m 35 second mark of the video below which explains what a decision maker Dick Cheney was: in fact the whole video is about the hidden dictators, so you may like it

 

[frigidweirdo]

Funding terrorists for example? Namely the Muslim Brotherhood? What about giving tanks and jets to the Egyptians? You're kidding right?

So, Reagan funding Iran and Iraq would be considered, by you, treason?

Egypt is a situation where US interests are at play massively. The US had an ally in Mubarack, he went with murmurings of "democracy" from the US, but they weren't happy he was going. The US govt needs Egypt on their side big time, Egypt could be a weak ally or a problematic enemy. So it's hardly surprising that they're trying to buy friendship and dolcileness from Egypt, no matter who is in power.

Supporting Pakistan was much worse a decision, allowing them to get nukes is quite a shocking situation when you see they were complaining about Iran, which is a stable country politically compared to Pakistan's mess.

What Bush did in Iraq by creating a vacuum and allowing al Qaeda, Iranian and other such supported groups to dominate, putting the lives and limbs of US soldiers in direct hard was scandalous and probably amounts to massive treason especially when considered next to, say, Egypt.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Reagan was a traitor for selling weapons to terrorists.

Will Conservative agree with this simple assessment?

Will liberals agree that Obama is a traitor for selling weapons to al Qaeda?

Don't bet on it.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Funding terrorists for example? Namely the Muslim Brotherhood? What about giving tanks and jets to the Egyptians? You're kidding right?

So, Reagan funding Iran and Iraq would be considered, by you, treason?

Egypt is a situation where US interests are at play massively. The US had an ally in Mubarack, he went with murmurings of "democracy" from the US, but they weren't happy he was going. The US govt needs Egypt on their side big time, Egypt could be a weak ally or a problematic enemy. So it's hardly surprising that they're trying to buy friendship and dolcileness from Egypt, no matter who is in power.

Supporting Pakistan was much worse a decision, allowing them to get nukes is quite a shocking situation when you see they were complaining about Iran, which is a stable country politically compared to Pakistan's mess.

What Bush did in Iraq by creating a vacuum and allowing al Qaeda, Iranian and other such supported groups to dominate, putting the lives and limbs of US soldiers in direct hard was scandalous and probably amounts to massive treason especially when considered next to, say, Egypt.

Bush this, Reagan that. You can't hold Obama responsible for doing the same thing. You're a hypocrite, wierdo.

Please, try not to play me for a fool.

 

[CorvusRexus]

Are they those who believe the federal government has overwhelming authority, or those who believe the only way to save America is to burn the government to the ground? Or are they those who don't care and are satisfied so long as they can play video games and have ready access to social media?
Personally, the traitors are those who justify a government eager to become a tyranny by manipulating the Constitution to justify them breaking it.

This is meaningless gibberish.

No one is a ‘traitor.’

I'm surprised you didn't bring up Article 3 Section 3. I know none of them are technically traitors in the Constitutional sense of the word, but this is more asking, "Who do you think are the ones who betray America's future the most?"

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Are they those who believe the federal government has overwhelming authority, or those who believe the only way to save America is to burn the government to the ground? Or are they those who don't care and are satisfied so long as they can play video games and have ready access to social media?
Personally, the traitors are those who justify a government eager to become a tyranny by manipulating the Constitution to justify them breaking it.

This is meaningless gibberish.

No one is a ‘traitor.’

I'm surprised you didn't bring up Article 3 Section 3. I know none of them are technically traitors in the Constitutional sense of the word, but this is more asking, "Who do you think are the ones who betray America's future the most?"

This is still meaningless gibberish.

 

[KNB]

Actually, there have been traitors in recent years. "Giving aid and comfort to our enemies" is pretty self-explanatory. At least from Reagan to Obama, US Presidents have been sending foreign aid to countries that we know are funding acts of violence against us or otherwise violating international treaties.

https://www.google.com/search?q=iran+contra&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb
https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+foreign+aid+terrorism&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#channel=sb&q=US+foreign+aid+child+soldiers&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial

It shouldn't come as any surprise. The controlling interests of government want as much power as possible so they'll make deals with whoever is most convenient to use toward that terrible end.
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45289

The controlling interests will attempt to reduce the severity of their irresponsibility by hiding behind phrases like "Politics is a tricky business" or some such nonsense. The controlling interests (international wealthy elite) don't waste their time with silly concepts like "morality". That is bad for business. Morality is an arbitrary term, actions being justifiable in any given context. Look at how the US "sincerely apologizes" for civilian casualties while simultaneously creating more and more civilian casualties.

Let's stop pretending, America. There are definitely traitors in our government.

 

[CorvusRexus]

I believe this has been pretty telling.
Look at the poll: the majority votes the gov't to be traitors.
Look at the debates: the ones who voted against the feds have argued circles around those who disagree.
Look at the facts: I see 7 pages of fact being used against disillusioned people who refuse to see the decline.
Look at the result: the defenders of the traitorous gov't have been metaphorically destroyed and yet still refuse to admit their defeat.

Way to go!

 

[CorvusRexus]

Actually, there have been traitors in recent years. "Giving aid and comfort to our enemies" is pretty self-explanatory. At least from Reagan to Obama, US Presidents have been sending foreign aid to countries that we know are funding acts of violence against us or otherwise violating international treaties.

https://www.google.com/search?q=iran+contra&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb
https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+foreign+aid+terrorism&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#channel=sb&q=US+foreign+aid+child+soldiers&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial

It shouldn't come as any surprise. The controlling interests of government want as much power as possible so they'll make deals with whoever is most convenient to use toward that terrible end.
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45289

The controlling interests will attempt to reduce the severity of their irresponsibility by hiding behind phrases like "Politics is a tricky business" or some such nonsense. The controlling interests (international wealthy elite) don't waste their time with silly concepts like "morality". That is bad for business. Morality is an arbitrary term, actions being justifiable in any given context. Look at how the US "sincerely apologizes" for civilian casualties while simultaneously creating more and more civilian casualties.

Let's stop pretending, America. There are definitely traitors in our government.

Sorry. It's like 10 o'clock and I wasn't thinking straight when I said that. Long day, that sort of thing.