Who are the real Nazis?

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Your ignorance of history is unparalleled.

I wasn't talking about history, I was talking about economics, moron.

Which shows that your ignorance of economics is unparalleled ..

Economics doesn't have a history, bozo?

I don't know what that means, but then neither do you.

Hitler and Stalin were both socialists, which is far left. You can't alternative fact your way out of that

Cutting regulations is Liberalism by classical definitions, while Authoritarianism is Right-Wing by classical definitions.

Socialism is Authoritarian, and anti-Liberalism in the sense they increase regulation.

Americans have a very, very poor grasp of politics, both in terms of political spectrum, and political implications.

yeah, that's why America is such a huge failure.
Cuz Americans are dumb about politics.

In truth, the only dumb people politically are the huge population of brainwashed leftists that the left has produced.

America is a failure compared to most White nations, in the sense that we have more murder, more gangs, more crime, more illegals, more divorce, more drug abuse, more outsourced jobs, pay more for college, pay more for healthcare, have huge inequality of wealth.

I don't see how the Capitalism which the U.S.A works off of won't collapse.

The Capitalists are undermining the system from within, by giving so many American jobs to foreigners, be it outsourcing to China, or hiring illegals from Mexico.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Nazis were Fascists - Fascists are defined as "far right wing/ authoritarian".

As defined by communist leaning leftists.

Nazis are NOT right-wing. National Socialism is another form of SOCIALISM. Spin all you want but that's what it is.

Nazis are extreme social Conservatives, extreme racists, extreme Nationalists, extremely for hierarchy (Social Darwinism) extremely authoritarian.

This is all the Right-Wing by classical definitions.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

It's a big problem because it discourages having a rational conversation. It's all driven by emotion. Which btw, was another feature of Nazism.

That's funny. Still playing the leftist game of accusing others of what you do.

You'll never live this gem down. "Right wing socialism." You really are that stupid.

And take your hands out of each other's pants or get a room

Also known as Paternalistic Conservatism - Learn something:

Conservative or right-wing socialism is a term used by some right-wing movements and politicians to describe support for social solidarity as opposed to individualism, commercialism, and laissez-faire economics. The term is also used, more commonly but distinctly, to refer to moderate, social democratic forms of socialism when contrasted with Marxism–Leninism and other more radical left-wing alternatives.
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Right-wing socialism

That you can find a term on the internet doesn't prove shit.

And note it even says that it's used by people who call themselves "right" to describe themselves. You're doublespeak quoting doublespeak.

Socialism is an economic system. It's the far left economic system where industry is controlled by government as both the Nazis and Stalinist practiced.

You're just trying to redefine words to make some stupid political point

And you're a waste of a debate

You're arguing that socialists can be right wing. The clueless idiot is clearly you

Authoritarianism is a Right-Wing characteristic.

Cutting regulations is a Liberal characteristic.

These are by classical definitions.

So, actually Capitalism / Tax cuts / Loosening regulations / Individualism it's all to the far Liberal - Left wing.

Not only is Capitalism / Individualism by classical definition a Liberal characteristic.

Capitalism sells out to Socially Liberal values, in the sense that yes businesses (Capitalists) do tend to sell out to Liberalism, like the medical industry selling Abortions, the music industry selling Gangster Rap music, Businesses hiring illegal immigrants, Businesses outsourcing jobs, Businesses selling parties, and cakes to Gay marriages, businesses in Colorado selling Marijuana, etc, etc.

Nazis understood this all, the fumbling bumbling Republicans understand nothing.

 

[Richard-H]

Completely wrong! The primary philosophy of the Nazis was EXTREME nationalism and a desire for to avenge WWI. That was their only motivation.

All else was just doing whatever it took to achieve those goals. They had no ideology or economic philosophy.

In the words of Adolph Hilter:

"The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."

Completely wrong! The primary philosophy of the Nazis was EXTREME nationalism and a desire for to avenge WWI. That was their only motivation.

All else was just doing whatever it took to achieve those goals. They had no ideology or economic philosophy.

In the words of Adolph Hilter:

"The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."

You need to read Mein Kampf and the future plans Hitler had.

His belief that everyone should exist for the benefit of the state was just a means of extreme nationalism and his desire to avenge WWI.

Makes sense to me, explain why there should be benefits to Capitalists, or Communists who tend to f*ck up the state?

We don't want Communists producing junk products they cut corners on to benefit their own wealth.

We don't want Capitalists producing junk products they cut corners on to benefit their own wealth.

You do realize that saying that communists do things for their own wealth is a contradiction of terms, right?

If they're doing it for their own wealth, then they are not really communists.

It seems strange that you say that everyone existing for the benefit of the state make sense to you.

Apparently, you are not American if you believe that. America is founded on respect for the individual.

The Communist authorities often ended up wealthy, the masses not so much.

This is news to you?

I don't really consider myself American, I consider myself more Polish.

But, I do openly critique the traitorous, or disgusting behavior of many Individualists.

With that said, the Founding Fathers were actually White Supremacists for a White country, who were for Corporation regulations.

In this sense, I'm far more American than most.

I don't think the Founder's who owned slaves were for Individual Liberty of slaves, now do you?

In fact, come to think about it, only educated, and free White men were even allowed to vote for the longest time here.

Yeah, that's so for Individual freedom.

Hypocrites and liars may have become wealthy pretending to be communists, but true communists (and I doubt there have been many), wouldn't make personal gain. I guess that's why communism was such a failure - very few actually believed in it.

There was always a fight over slavery in America, but the economy was too dependent on it. Many knew it was wrong and were trying to change it. In the end the U.S. government went to war with it's own people to stop it.

The fact is that the early America society was born out of the British colonial society. The laws were set by the King. They could not change every aspect of the society the instant we became independent. Trying some form of democracy - a government without a monarchy was risky enough. Many thought it would fail.

So even if the founding fathers did not set up a Utopian democracy from day one, they did set the principals that would eventually transform the country towards a more Utopian democracy. We are still undergoing that process - it's just a shame that so many 'Americans' are constantly fighting to stop that process!

 

[Richard-H]

Completely wrong! The primary philosophy of the Nazis was EXTREME nationalism and a desire for to avenge WWI. That was their only motivation.

All else was just doing whatever it took to achieve those goals. They had no ideology or economic philosophy.

In the words of Adolph Hilter:

"The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."

Completely wrong! The primary philosophy of the Nazis was EXTREME nationalism and a desire for to avenge WWI. That was their only motivation.

All else was just doing whatever it took to achieve those goals. They had no ideology or economic philosophy.

In the words of Adolph Hilter:

"The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."

You need to read Mein Kampf and the future plans Hitler had.

His belief that everyone should exist for the benefit of the state was just a means of extreme nationalism and his desire to avenge WWI.

Makes sense to me, explain why there should be benefits to Capitalists, or Communists who tend to f*ck up the state?

We don't want Communists producing junk products they cut corners on to benefit their own wealth.

We don't want Capitalists producing junk products they cut corners on to benefit their own wealth.

You do realize that saying that communists do things for their own wealth is a contradiction of terms, right?

If they're doing it for their own wealth, then they are not really communists.

It seems strange that you say that everyone existing for the benefit of the state make sense to you.

Apparently, you are not American if you believe that. America is founded on respect for the individual.

Dude, Fidel Castro's net worth was estimated to be $900,000,000... ten years ago.

First, it depends how you measure his personal wealth. I'm sure that anyone who revered Castro would come up with a very different number.

Second, Fidel Castro was never a real communist. Che Guevarra and Raul Castro were the real communists. (Che more that Raul)

Fidel like Stalin was an absolute dictator who used the sloganism of communism to justify their dictatorships. Fidel only 'turned' communist after the revolution - his choice was that or install a democracy which he would not have led for long.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You need to read Mein Kampf and the future plans Hitler had.

His belief that everyone should exist for the benefit of the state was just a means of extreme nationalism and his desire to avenge WWI.

Makes sense to me, explain why there should be benefits to Capitalists, or Communists who tend to f*ck up the state?

We don't want Communists producing junk products they cut corners on to benefit their own wealth.

We don't want Capitalists producing junk products they cut corners on to benefit their own wealth.

You do realize that saying that communists do things for their own wealth is a contradiction of terms, right?

If they're doing it for their own wealth, then they are not really communists.

It seems strange that you say that everyone existing for the benefit of the state make sense to you.

Apparently, you are not American if you believe that. America is founded on respect for the individual.

The Communist authorities often ended up wealthy, the masses not so much.

This is news to you?

I don't really consider myself American, I consider myself more Polish.

But, I do openly critique the traitorous, or disgusting behavior of many Individualists.

With that said, the Founding Fathers were actually White Supremacists for a White country, who were for Corporation regulations.

In this sense, I'm far more American than most.

I don't think the Founder's who owned slaves were for Individual Liberty of slaves, now do you?

In fact, come to think about it, only educated, and free White men were even allowed to vote for the longest time here.

Yeah, that's so for Individual freedom.

Hypocrites and liars may have become wealthy pretending to be communists, but true communists (and I doubt there have been many), wouldn't make personal gain. I guess that's why communism was such a failure - very few actually believed in it.

There was always a fight over slavery in America, but the economy was too dependent on it. Many knew it was wrong and were trying to change it. In the end the U.S. government went to war with it's own people to stop it.

The fact is that the early America society was born out of the British colonial society. The laws were set by the King. They could not change every aspect of the society the instant we became independent. Trying some form of democracy - a government without a monarchy was risky enough. Many thought it would fail.

So even if the founding fathers did not set up a Utopian democracy from day one, they did set the principals that would eventually transform the country towards a more Utopian democracy. We are still undergoing that process - it's just a shame that so many 'Americans' are constantly fighting to stop that process!

The nation of the Founding Fathers, would be more, or less akin to many Arab nations of yesterday, and sometimes today, in the sense that Women couldn't vote, and were treated as second class citizens, as would non-Anglos be treated poorly in the early U.S, kind of like non-Muslims are treated poorly in many Arab nations, and Blacks were kept as slaves which is sometimes true in some Arab nations in modern times such as Mauritania in recent years, or Darfur, and yes not long ago many others.

Then there's the fact that the Founding Fathers were for Corporate regulations, in the sense that the Corporations were issued Corporate charters every 25 - 30 years roughly, and they could revoke them, and Corporations couldn't buy stock in other corporations, or Corporations couldn't give campaign contributions to politicians, and the Corporate charter could only deal in one commodity, etc, etc.

The Founding Fathers weren't Capitalists.

The Founding Fathers were also Isolationists, against big military, heck Jefferson was initially against a standing military even.

To say the Founding Fathers represent modern Americans well, if at all, is simply not an accurate statement.

The Founding Fathers would find more in common with the Fascists, and the Islamist's rather than with modern America which is far to the Liberal, Left, and Individualist in comparison.

In that sense, yes I'm more like the Founding Fathers than most Americans.

 

[dudmuck]

I don't know what that means, but then neither do you.

Hitler and Stalin were both socialists, which is far left. You can't alternative fact your way out of that

Hitler imprisoned socialists.
Originally Dachau imprisoned German communists and socialists. . More is described here.
But more importantly, the return on capital increased under the nazis. Actually capitalism was doing better under the nazis than it was under FDR at the same time period.

So?

The point is that Hitler was right wing, far right.

Socialism, state control is Left wing. Are you saying Hitler embraced individual right and liberties?

These idiots maintain that capitalism/prosperity = nazism.

It's stupid, and proves the point that in reality, they are nazis themselves.

When Americans say "Make America Great Again" they are referencing the reduction of government, in order that individuals may thrive.

When nazis say "We must make Germany Great!" they are calling for a larger government presence in individual lives and across the globe.

Two different things.

*Make America Great* = removal of government control
*Make Nazi Germany Great* = increased government control.

But as with everything else, they have been fed a lie and have internalized it. Like the good little nazis they are.

First off, real nazis today disagree with you.

left vs right has nothing to do with amount of government control.
left vs right has to do with whether social equality is natural or desirable, aka classes (poor, middle, upper/wealthy).

The best way to clear up this nazi thing, is to look today. Who are today's nazis supporting?
Why arent they running as democrats? Its even becoming too much for Ted Cruz.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Hitler imprisoned socialists.
Originally Dachau imprisoned German communists and socialists. . More is described here.
But more importantly, the return on capital increased under the nazis. Actually capitalism was doing better under the nazis than it was under FDR at the same time period.

So?

The point is that Hitler was right wing, far right.

Socialism, state control is Left wing. Are you saying Hitler embraced individual right and liberties?

These idiots maintain that capitalism/prosperity = nazism.

It's stupid, and proves the point that in reality, they are nazis themselves.

When Americans say "Make America Great Again" they are referencing the reduction of government, in order that individuals may thrive.

When nazis say "We must make Germany Great!" they are calling for a larger government presence in individual lives and across the globe.

Two different things.

*Make America Great* = removal of government control
*Make Nazi Germany Great* = increased government control.

But as with everything else, they have been fed a lie and have internalized it. Like the good little nazis they are.

First off, real nazis today disagree with you.

left vs right has nothing to do with amount of government control.
left vs right has to do with whether social equality is natural or desirable, aka classes (poor, middle, upper/wealthy).

The best way to clear up this nazi thing, is to look today. Who are today's nazis supporting?
Why arent they running as democrats? Its even becoming too much for Ted Cruz.

The closest thing to "Nazis" on this forum are Odium
ptbw forever, Vastator and SobieskiSavedEurope and none of us are really "Leftists" we all are to the Right of Cuckservatives.

 

[koshergrl]

Hitler imprisoned socialists.
Originally Dachau imprisoned German communists and socialists. . More is described here.
But more importantly, the return on capital increased under the nazis. Actually capitalism was doing better under the nazis than it was under FDR at the same time period.

So?

The point is that Hitler was right wing, far right.

Socialism, state control is Left wing. Are you saying Hitler embraced individual right and liberties?

These idiots maintain that capitalism/prosperity = nazism.

It's stupid, and proves the point that in reality, they are nazis themselves.

When Americans say "Make America Great Again" they are referencing the reduction of government, in order that individuals may thrive.

When nazis say "We must make Germany Great!" they are calling for a larger government presence in individual lives and across the globe.

Two different things.

*Make America Great* = removal of government control
*Make Nazi Germany Great* = increased government control.

But as with everything else, they have been fed a lie and have internalized it. Like the good little nazis they are.

First off, real nazis today disagree with you.

left vs right has nothing to do with amount of government control.
left vs right has to do with whether social equality is natural or desirable, aka classes (poor, middle, upper/wealthy).

The best way to clear up this nazi thing, is to look today. Who are today's nazis supporting?
Why arent they running as democrats? Its even becoming too much for Ted Cruz.

 

[Clementine]

This is the true meaning of the terms.

Unfortunately the ruling class has seen fit to utterly destroy the ability to have a rational discussion on such things.

The concept of right and left has been turned on its head, at least in America.

Socialism is central (i.e,. government) control of the economy and that is left. You're the bozos engaging in double speak trying to deny that

Your ignorance of history is unparalleled.

I wasn't talking about history, I was talking about economics, moron.

Which shows that your ignorance of economics is unparalleled ..

Economics doesn't have a history, bozo?

I don't know what that means, but then neither do you.

Hitler and Stalin were both socialists, which is far left. You can't alternative fact your way out of that

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Nazis were Fascists - Fascists are defined as "far right wing/ authoritarian".

As defined by communist leaning leftists.

Nazis are NOT right-wing. National Socialism is another form of SOCIALISM. Spin all you want but that's what it is.

Nazis are extreme social Conservatives, extreme racists, extreme Nationalists, extremely for hierarchy (Social Darwinism) extremely authoritarian.

This is all the Right-Wing by classical definitions.

No, it is not.

The Founding Fathers exemplify TRUE CONSERVATISM -- minimal government. Capitalism. Individual over the State.

Everything else moves in the direction of SOCIALISM, either global, or National

 

[Clementine]

Nazis were Fascists - Fascists are defined as "far right wing/ authoritarian".
Other than gun control, Trumptards come closest.

Nazis were socialists, they are left, not right

Stalin was more for Hierarchy, Right-Wing Authoritarian values, and even perhaps Social Conservative values than modern Republicans, or modern Democrats.

The truth is Stalin's far to the right of the modern U.S.A.

I discussed this below.

Communism more right wing than Capitalism?

Capitalism actually is what sold us out to Liberalism, Hollywood Industry, Media, Porn industry, Music industry promoting Gangster Rap Music, the Medical industry promoting Abortions, it's all Capitalism.

You're full of shit. Stalin was a classic socialist leftist

Stalin was only a Leftist compared to Hitler, and some of Hitler's friends, compared to most Stalin's Right-Wing, he was Authoritarian, he was for ethnic deportations, (Nationalism / Ethnocentrism) Abortion was made illegal under Stalin.

That's all to the Right of our society, big time.

Hitler and Stalin were both leftist socialists, dumb ass. Government controlled the economy, that is socialism which is far left.

Racism isn't right or left, that's just you being a dick.

And nothing is more authoritarian than left wing socialism.

Democrats in your typical leftist style are the ones trying to shut down debate and opposition in this country like you do everywhere as you take power

The ones trying to disarm the people are the ones trying to control the people. That is a fact that has been proven time and time again in history. It is liberals trying to disarm us, stifle free speech with bogus hate speech laws, and they desire to control businesses. They talk about equal outcomes rather than equal rights. For decades, the left has fought to take away guns, socialize medicine, take control of energy and food supplies. All those things are necessary to usher in socialism, which ALWAYS fails and leads to communism. Countries always end up with an oppressive oligarchy. It's a vicious cycle that our forefathers tried to stop by writing a constitution to protect this Republic. Leftists have sought to tear it down from the beginning. We have been in the apathy stage for a long time now and many people are ignorant of history and the importance of a constitutional Republic in maintaining our freedom and liberty. Too many have been convinced to give up freedom in favor of free shit and being taken care of by politicians.

 

[Clementine]

We here both sides of the political isle call the other a Nazi.

As a result, the terms has been bastardized.

Much like the term racist, the term Nazi seems to be applied ONLY because someone opposes you politically.

However, to cut through the BS, let's study why each side calls the other a Nazi.

What did the Nazi ideology believe?

1. The white race is superior. Dark colored skin, not so much. Or perhaps you switch the colors around.
2. Genocide is an acceptable alternative to what we perceive as a human problem. It's just a matter of who is not considered your equal as a human being.
3. A massive nanny state is needed. Free medical, retirement, education, etc. Capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy that needs to be destroyed.
4. Society must have strong environmental and animal rights laws.
5. Society must have gun control. Society does not want the wrong kinds of people owning guns.
6. Society must have a strong centralized authoritarian government to implement a nanny state and a large military
7. Massive debt is needed to maintain the nanny state and massive military. It matters little how much debt it takes.

So who does the Nazi ideology mirror more closely? Do they mirror you or those you oppose politically?

It takes BIG government to have NAZI rulers. It takes a disarmed public to have NAZI rulers. It takes removing freedom of speech to have a NAZI ruler.

Which side wants to grow government and disarm the public? The ones who want to take away your ability to fight against them are the ones who want to control you. It is as simple as that.

Far right is zero government (anarchy) and the farther you move left, the bigger and more controlling government gets.

No, Far Right are the Nazis, by definition Authoritarianism, Hierarchy, and Traditional values classify the Right-Wing.

Anarchy is actually very Liberal, (Loosening of regulations)

You are wrong. Perhaps you are a product of the indoctrination centers that used to be called schools.

Those who seek to disarm the public are the NAZIS. No government can oppress people when the people are able to fight back. If you want to know who the evil ones are, look at those who seek to take away our means of defending ourselves. That is the left.

Liberals love big government, which is the opposite of anarchy.

What they have done is switched things around on the above chart and the only ones who believe them are those who have no understanding of history or of how governments work.

The right supports the 2nd amendment, which was created so people have the ability to fight against tyranny if the need arises. Why does the left want to render the population helpless?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Nazis were Fascists - Fascists are defined as "far right wing/ authoritarian".

As defined by communist leaning leftists.

Nazis are NOT right-wing. National Socialism is another form of SOCIALISM. Spin all you want but that's what it is.

Nazis are extreme social Conservatives, extreme racists, extreme Nationalists, extremely for hierarchy (Social Darwinism) extremely authoritarian.

This is all the Right-Wing by classical definitions.

No, it is not.

The Founding Fathers exemplify TRUE CONSERVATISM -- minimal government. Capitalism. Individual over the State.

Everything else moves in the direction of SOCIALISM, either global, or National

I just made a thread on the topic below.

Founding Fathers like Arabs, Fascists rather than modern Republicans / Democrats.

The fact is no the Founding Fathers weren't Capitalists, nor were the Founder's for Individualist freedoms, they also had pretty poor Democracy, but they were for a White nation.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

We here both sides of the political isle call the other a Nazi.

As a result, the terms has been bastardized.

Much like the term racist, the term Nazi seems to be applied ONLY because someone opposes you politically.

However, to cut through the BS, let's study why each side calls the other a Nazi.

What did the Nazi ideology believe?

1. The white race is superior. Dark colored skin, not so much. Or perhaps you switch the colors around.
2. Genocide is an acceptable alternative to what we perceive as a human problem. It's just a matter of who is not considered your equal as a human being.
3. A massive nanny state is needed. Free medical, retirement, education, etc. Capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy that needs to be destroyed.
4. Society must have strong environmental and animal rights laws.
5. Society must have gun control. Society does not want the wrong kinds of people owning guns.
6. Society must have a strong centralized authoritarian government to implement a nanny state and a large military
7. Massive debt is needed to maintain the nanny state and massive military. It matters little how much debt it takes.

So who does the Nazi ideology mirror more closely? Do they mirror you or those you oppose politically?

It takes BIG government to have NAZI rulers. It takes a disarmed public to have NAZI rulers. It takes removing freedom of speech to have a NAZI ruler.

Which side wants to grow government and disarm the public? The ones who want to take away your ability to fight against them are the ones who want to control you. It is as simple as that.

Far right is zero government (anarchy) and the farther you move left, the bigger and more controlling government gets.

No, Far Right are the Nazis, by definition Authoritarianism, Hierarchy, and Traditional values classify the Right-Wing.

Anarchy is actually very Liberal, (Loosening of regulations)

You are wrong. Perhaps you are a product of the indoctrination centers that used to be called schools.

Those who seek to disarm the public are the NAZIS. No government can oppress people when the people are able to fight back. If you want to know who the evil ones are, look at those who seek to take away our means of defending ourselves. That is the left.

Liberals love big government, which is the opposite of anarchy.

What they have done is switched things around on the above chart and the only ones who believe them are those who have no understanding of history or of how governments work.

The right supports the 2nd amendment, which was created so people have the ability to fight against tyranny if the need arises. Why does the left want to render the population helpless?

Nazis were for gun rights for true White Germans, even if they were against gun rights for who they saw as non-Germans.

That's akin to the Founding Fathers actually, who also supported gun rights for White Americans, and didn't support gun rights for Black slaves.

 

[dudmuck]

Socialism is central (i.e,. government) control of the economy and that is left. You're the bozos engaging in double speak trying to deny that

Your ignorance of history is unparalleled.

I wasn't talking about history, I was talking about economics, moron.

Which shows that your ignorance of economics is unparalleled ..

Economics doesn't have a history, bozo?

I don't know what that means, but then neither do you.

Hitler and Stalin were both socialists, which is far left. You can't alternative fact your way out of that

Thats just like "buffalo wings"

 

[kaz]

Your ignorance of history is unparalleled.

I wasn't talking about history, I was talking about economics, moron.

Which shows that your ignorance of economics is unparalleled ..

Economics doesn't have a history, bozo?

I don't know what that means, but then neither do you.

Hitler and Stalin were both socialists, which is far left. You can't alternative fact your way out of that

Thats just like "buffalo wings"

None of those things contradict him being socialist

 

[kaz]

Hitler imprisoned socialists.
Originally Dachau imprisoned German communists and socialists. . More is described here.
But more importantly, the return on capital increased under the nazis. Actually capitalism was doing better under the nazis than it was under FDR at the same time period.

So?

The point is that Hitler was right wing, far right.

Socialism, state control is Left wing. Are you saying Hitler embraced individual right and liberties?

These idiots maintain that capitalism/prosperity = nazism.

It's stupid, and proves the point that in reality, they are nazis themselves.

When Americans say "Make America Great Again" they are referencing the reduction of government, in order that individuals may thrive.

When nazis say "We must make Germany Great!" they are calling for a larger government presence in individual lives and across the globe.

Two different things.

*Make America Great* = removal of government control
*Make Nazi Germany Great* = increased government control.

But as with everything else, they have been fed a lie and have internalized it. Like the good little nazis they are.

First off, real nazis today disagree with you.

left vs right has nothing to do with amount of government control.
left vs right has to do with whether social equality is natural or desirable, aka classes (poor, middle, upper/wealthy).

The best way to clear up this nazi thing, is to look today. Who are today's nazis supporting?
Why arent they running as democrats? Its even becoming too much for Ted Cruz.

You take your instructions from nazis?

 

[kaz]

You're arguing that socialists can be right wing. The clueless idiot is clearly you

No, my argument is that the term "socialist" in the party name National Socialist German Workers’ Party had an entirely different meaning.
Nazis were first and foremost extreme right wing, hyper-nationalist and authoritarian.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

Now shoo fly

Socialism was exactly the same, a government controlled government

 

[Richard-H]

His belief that everyone should exist for the benefit of the state was just a means of extreme nationalism and his desire to avenge WWI.

Makes sense to me, explain why there should be benefits to Capitalists, or Communists who tend to f*ck up the state?

We don't want Communists producing junk products they cut corners on to benefit their own wealth.

We don't want Capitalists producing junk products they cut corners on to benefit their own wealth.

You do realize that saying that communists do things for their own wealth is a contradiction of terms, right?

If they're doing it for their own wealth, then they are not really communists.

It seems strange that you say that everyone existing for the benefit of the state make sense to you.

Apparently, you are not American if you believe that. America is founded on respect for the individual.

The Communist authorities often ended up wealthy, the masses not so much.

This is news to you?

I don't really consider myself American, I consider myself more Polish.

But, I do openly critique the traitorous, or disgusting behavior of many Individualists.

With that said, the Founding Fathers were actually White Supremacists for a White country, who were for Corporation regulations.

In this sense, I'm far more American than most.

I don't think the Founder's who owned slaves were for Individual Liberty of slaves, now do you?

In fact, come to think about it, only educated, and free White men were even allowed to vote for the longest time here.

Yeah, that's so for Individual freedom.

Hypocrites and liars may have become wealthy pretending to be communists, but true communists (and I doubt there have been many), wouldn't make personal gain. I guess that's why communism was such a failure - very few actually believed in it.

There was always a fight over slavery in America, but the economy was too dependent on it. Many knew it was wrong and were trying to change it. In the end the U.S. government went to war with it's own people to stop it.

The fact is that the early America society was born out of the British colonial society. The laws were set by the King. They could not change every aspect of the society the instant we became independent. Trying some form of democracy - a government without a monarchy was risky enough. Many thought it would fail.

So even if the founding fathers did not set up a Utopian democracy from day one, they did set the principals that would eventually transform the country towards a more Utopian democracy. We are still undergoing that process - it's just a shame that so many 'Americans' are constantly fighting to stop that process!

The nation of the Founding Fathers, would be more, or less akin to many Arab nations of yesterday, and sometimes today, in the sense that Women couldn't vote, and were treated as second class citizens, as would non-Anglos be treated poorly in the early U.S, kind of like non-Muslims are treated poorly in many Arab nations, and Blacks were kept as slaves which is sometimes true in some Arab nations in modern times such as Mauritania in recent years, or Darfur, and yes not long ago many others.

Then there's the fact that the Founding Fathers were for Corporate regulations, in the sense that the Corporations were issued Corporate charters every 25 - 30 years roughly, and they could revoke them, and Corporations couldn't buy stock in other corporations, or Corporations couldn't give campaign contributions to politicians, and the Corporate charter could only deal in one commodity, etc, etc.

The Founding Fathers weren't Capitalists.

The Founding Fathers were also Isolationists, against big military, heck Jefferson was initially against a standing military even.

To say the Founding Fathers represent modern Americans well, if at all, is simply not an accurate statement.

The Founding Fathers would find more in common with the Fascists, and the Islamist's rather than with modern America which is far to the Liberal, Left, and Individualist in comparison.

In that sense, yes I'm more like the Founding Fathers than most Americans.

What you fail to realize is that the founding fathers were NOT dictators. The social malignities you describe were a fact of the society that they lives in. They did not create slavery, nor did they create sexism, nor racism.

They were powerless to change these things. They were barely able to form a basic democracy. They were not the dictators that could force the massive social changes that you seem to think were required. They were not miracle workers. They would have been dragged into the streets an brutalized if they tried to force the changes you suggest.

Just because they could not snap their fingers and force their society to make DRASTIC changes you seem to believe that they did not want those changes - that they were hypocrites. You are WRONG!