Who Are The Palestinians?

[montelatici]

Palestinians will hate Israel for some time. Just as you wouldn't ask Jews to stop hating the Nazis you can't ask the Palestinians yo stop hating the Israelis. However, after some time of living without borders and peace, as the girl says, maybe the hate can be mitigated over time.

As far as Golda Mabovitch's the old propaganda line, give it up, we all know it's propaganda meant to dehumanize the Palestinians, the Nazis used similar tactics for the Jews.

No one agrees more than I that Israel should declare borders. Borders from Syria to Egypt to the Jordan River. Anything else Israel can do to please you?

Then we agree.

Most definately. So now that we agreee on Israel's borders from Syria to Egypt to the Jordan River, where is this "Palestine" that you speak of?

There cannot be a sovereign Palestine anymore, too many settlements.

Isn't it just awful that not a single surrounding Arab country to Israel will grant their Palestinians a right of return back to their native homelands?

No country in the region can support the influx of 5-6 million people. Europe, where the Jews came from, is wealthier and could accept the return of the Jews to their native homelands, Russia included. Most of them just got to Israel, so they probably wouldn't skip a beat going home.

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

Wrong.

Well, the questions is (are) sic:

• Was there a witness? --- or not?

YES

Read more: Israel Spokesman Admits Army Should Have Spared Boys Playing Soccer on Gaza Beach Forward.com

(COMMENT)

The Israeli's did investigate. And they admitted to the strike. But it did not come from the bay or the Israeli Navy (as so many claimed), but was indirect fire from Army Artillery.

NOTE: If any of you have been in a rocket or mortar attack, you know the echoes of buildings will confuse the sense of direction. But if you look at the video of the balcony strike, you can tell that the fire did not hit the building from the east (bay side and penetrating into the building) but was a glancing strike from the north.​

The problem here is that the witnesses were not true witnesses of the event. They were the witnesses to the immediate aftermath and just assumed the strike came from Naval Gun Fire (it accounts for the media not actually seeing naval gun fire from the bay). The witnesses were making up any story just to assign blame to the Israelis. And while it was ultimately --- an Israeli Strike, the truth did no come from eye witness accounts, but from the honesty of the Israeli Defense Force.

My point is, you cannot trust the Honesty and Integrity of the Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

You certainly cant trust a Palestinian at all

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

Wrong.

Well, the questions is (are) sic:

• Was there a witness? --- or not?

YES

Read more: Israel Spokesman Admits Army Should Have Spared Boys Playing Soccer on Gaza Beach Forward.com

(COMMENT)

The Israeli's did investigate. And they admitted to the strike. But it did not come from the bay or the Israeli Navy (as so many claimed), but was indirect fire from Army Artillery.

NOTE: If any of you have been in a rocket or mortar attack, you know the echoes of buildings will confuse the sense of direction. But if you look at the video of the balcony strike, you can tell that the fire did not hit the building from the east (bay side and penetrating into the building) but was a glancing strike from the north.​

The problem here is that the witnesses were not true witnesses of the event. They were the witnesses to the immediate aftermath and just assumed the strike came from Naval Gun Fire (it accounts for the media not actually seeing naval gun fire from the bay). The witnesses were making up any story just to assign blame to the Israelis. And while it was ultimately --- an Israeli Strike, the truth did no come from eye witness accounts, but from the honesty of the Israeli Defense Force.

My point is, you cannot trust the Honesty and Integrity of the Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't trust the Honesty and Integrity of the Israeli. The old Zionist denial trick, eh. Why you bozos believe that this denial technique will be more effective than the Holocaust denial trick I don't know.

But you are wrong as usual:

Photographer was a witness, obviously:

Israeli Strike Kills Four Boys Playing on Gaza Beach - ABC News



The following makes clear that foreign reporters were witnesses:

"“The first strike hit at around 1300 GMT (4 p.m. local time), prompting terrified children and adults on the beach to scatter. A second and third struck as they ran, setting fire to huts on the beach,” Agence France-Presse’s Sara Hussein wrote. “The strikes appeared to be the result of shelling by the Israeli navy against an area with small shacks used by fishermen.”

Hussein, along with The Washington Post‘s William Booth and The Guardian‘s Peter Beaumont, saw the attack and the aftermath...“There is a deafening explosion as it hits a structure on the pier, a place we have seen hit before, where fishermen usually store their nets. Behind the smoke, I see four figures running, silhouettes whose legs are pumping raggedly. They clear the smoke. From their size it is clear they are a man and three young boys,” Beaumont wrote in his account of the attack seen from
Beaumont wrote the survivors fleeing the attack were targeted by a second shell, injuring them as they fled to safety.

“As it explodes, my colleagues, now standing by the terrace wall, shout at unseen Israeli gunners who can’t hear them: ‘They are only children,'” he wrote.

Journalists witness Gaza beach attack that killed at least 4 children - National Globalnews.ca

Hardly conclusive evidence as the pictures show people running and then smoke. Were is the proof that it came from an Israeli source without the IDF saying it was a misfire from artillery 90 degrees away from the naval vessels. An accident that happens when you engage in war, and the Palestinians need to realise this when they make attacks on Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

The old Zionist denial routine, much like Holocaust denial routine.

What a ridiculous comparison from the propaganda machine

What is the difference? Mr. Propaganda.

What is the difference between denying one of the most documented events of the 20th century in which millions of people were killed vs. denying one isolated event?

How is it possible that you can be so incredibly stupid propagandatici?

Mr. Propaganda,

The only people that are denying something that dozens of journalists witnessed are nutcases like you and your buddies. Much like the Holocaust deniers. That's why it is a similar technique and ploy.

LINK to these dozens of reporters please, and not some partisan hack saying that dozens were there try op-eds underf their names ?

 

[docmauser1]

There cannot be a sovereign Palestine anymore, too many settlements.

Really!? Palisimians should curtail their settlement activity then.

 

[Phoenall]

No one agrees more than I that Israel should declare borders. Borders from Syria to Egypt to the Jordan River. Anything else Israel can do to please you?

Then we agree.

Most definately. So now that we agreee on Israel's borders from Syria to Egypt to the Jordan River, where is this "Palestine" that you speak of?

There cannot be a sovereign Palestine anymore, too many settlements.

Isn't it just awful that not a single surrounding Arab country to Israel will grant their Palestinians a right of return back to their native homelands?

No country in the region can support the influx of 5-6 million people. Europe, where the Jews came from, is wealthier and could accept the return of the Jews to their native homelands, Russia included. Most of them just got to Israel, so they probably wouldn't skip a beat going home.

The Jews came from Europe at the invite of the lands LEGAL OWNERS UNDER CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW TO SETTLE AND RESURECT THE NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. They did not invade as you claim nor did they evict people from their land and property. They invited them to stay as full citizens of Israel and they refused and became enemy agents, under the laws at that time they could have been executed but the Jews just cast them out to live in Palestine that they had refused to take.

 

[montelatici]

If you go to a place on another continent, settle the place, expel the local people against their will and create your own country, it is an invasion, per at least two of the three primary definitions of the word:

"an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain."

"an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity."

 

[docmauser1]

If you go to a place on another continent, settle the place, expel the local people against their will and create your own country, it is an invasion, per at least two of the three primary definitions of the word:
"an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain." "an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity."

Arabs/muslims are mandated to spread islam, indeed.

 

[montelatici]

Just as we Christians are mandated to spread Christianity. We've done a good job, don't you think?

 

[docmauser1]

Just as we Christians are mandated to spread Christianity. We've done a good job, don't you think?

Where's a cathedral in Mecca?

 

[montelatici]

Well, you really got me there, but think of the distance from Rome to the Philippines, and yet most are Roman Catholics there. We out converted the Muslims it seems.

 

[MJB12741]

Just as we Christians are mandated to spread Christianity. We've done a good job, don't you think?

Sure do. Just ask any native American. But at least our native Americans strapped on tool boxes to build casinos to get back at you for their discontent whereas Palestinians strap on bombs to express theirs. It's called Palestinian mentality.

 

[montelatici]

The Native Americans began fighting the Europeans in 1622 and the wars did not end until 1924. That's three centuries of resistance.

• Some time in 1924 both the Renegade Period and the Apache Wars ended which had begun decades earlier and brought the American Indian Wars to a close 302 years after the Jamestown Massacre of 1622.[citation needed]

 

[MJB12741]

The Palestinian claim that Israel is stealing THEIR land is even more ridiculous than the claim Columbus discovered America. When Columbus allegedly discovered America, the Native Americans were already here long ago. And when Islam began, the Jews already lived in the land for thosands of years before any Muslim Palestinian began to occupy it & steal it.

 

[RoccoR]

docmauser1 et al,

WARNING: Non-Muslims are strictly prohibited from entering the city of Mecca. The penalty is deportation from the country. Documentation will be checked upon entry and anyone not showing proof of being Muslim will be denied entry. As a solitary exception, the Mecca bus terminal (outside city limits) is open to all.

Just as we Christians are mandated to spread Christianity. We've done a good job, don't you think?

Where's a cathedral in Mecca?

(COMMENT)

There are NO Cathedrals in Mecca!

v/r
R

 

[montelatici]

So what?

 

[MJB12741]

docmauser1 et al,

WARNING: Non-Muslims are strictly prohibited from entering the city of Mecca. The penalty is deportation from the country. Documentation will be checked upon entry and anyone not showing proof of being Muslim will be denied entry. As a solitary exception, the Mecca bus terminal (outside city limits) is open to all.

Just as we Christians are mandated to spread Christianity. We've done a good job, don't you think?

Where's a cathedral in Mecca?

(COMMENT)

There are NO Cathedrals in Mecca!

v/r
R

Holyt mackeral! Talk about APARTHEID.

 

[montelatici]

The Palestinian claim that Israel is stealing THEIR land is even more ridiculous than the claim Columbus discovered America. When Columbus allegedly discovered America, the Native Americans were already here long ago. And when Islam began, the Jews already lived in the land for thosands of years before any Muslim Palestinian began to occupy it & steal it.

The one little detail you forget is that the majority of the Muslim and Christians in Palestine were converts to those religions from Roman religions, Judaism and others. The European Jews that settled there, if they had some remote Jewish ancestor, hadn't lived there at all. Furthermore, Palestine including Jerusalem was populated by Christians until the Byzantines were defeated at the Battle of Yarmouk. So the Arabian led armies took the land from Christians not Jews.

 

[docmauser1]

The Palestinian claim that Israel is stealing THEIR land is even more ridiculous than the claim Columbus discovered America. When Columbus allegedly discovered America, the Native Americans were already here long ago. And when Islam began, the Jews already lived in the land for thosands of years before any Muslim Palestinian began to occupy it & steal it.

The one little detail you forget is that the majority of the Muslim and Christians in Palestine were converts to those religions from Roman religions, Judaism and others. The European Jews that settled there, if they had some remote Jewish ancestor, hadn't lived there at all. Furthermore, Palestine including Jerusalem was populated by Christians until the Byzantines were defeated at the Battle of Yarmouk. So the Arabian led armies took the land from Christians not Jews.

Yeah-yeah, and all major illegal arab settlers/squatters from the hood were all saudi sheiks too, we know, we know.

 

[MJB12741]

The Palestinian claim that Israel is stealing THEIR land is even more ridiculous than the claim Columbus discovered America. When Columbus allegedly discovered America, the Native Americans were already here long ago. And when Islam began, the Jews already lived in the land for thosands of years before any Muslim Palestinian began to occupy it & steal it.

The one little detail you forget is that the majority of the Muslim and Christians in Palestine were converts to those religions from Roman religions, Judaism and others. The European Jews that settled there, if they had some remote Jewish ancestor, hadn't lived there at all. Furthermore, Palestine including Jerusalem was populated by Christians until the Byzantines were defeated at the Battle of Yarmouk. So the Arabian led armies took the land from Christians not Jews.

Yeah-yeah, and all major illegal arab settlers/squatters from the hood were all saudi sheiks too, we know, we know.

Monte is so funny. What a relief he is from the real world of radical Islamic terrorists killing us infidels all over the world that we have to deal with.