Who Are The Palestinians?

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montelatici, et al,

Wrong.

Well, the questions is (are) sic:
  • Was there a witness? --- or not?
YES

Read more: Israel Spokesman Admits Army Should Have Spared Boys Playing Soccer on Gaza Beach Forward.com
(COMMENT)

The Israeli's did investigate. And they admitted to the strike. But it did not come from the bay or the Israeli Navy (as so many claimed), but was indirect fire from Army Artillery.

NOTE: If any of you have been in a rocket or mortar attack, you know the echoes of buildings will confuse the sense of direction. But if you look at the video of the balcony strike, you can tell that the fire did not hit the building from the east (bay side and penetrating into the building) but was a glancing strike from the north.

The problem here is that the witnesses were not true witnesses of the event. They were the witnesses to the immediate aftermath and just assumed the strike came from Naval Gun Fire (it accounts for the media not actually seeing naval gun fire from the bay). The witnesses were making up any story just to assign blame to the Israelis. And while it was ultimately --- an Israeli Strike, the truth did no come from eye witness accounts, but from the honesty of the Israeli Defense Force.

My point is, you cannot trust the Honesty and Integrity of the Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't trust the Honesty and Integrity of the Israeli. The old Zionist denial trick, eh. Why you bozos believe that this denial technique will be more effective than the Holocaust denial trick I don't know.

But you are wrong as usual:

Photographer was a witness, obviously:

Israeli Strike Kills Four Boys Playing on Gaza Beach - ABC News



The following makes clear that foreign reporters were witnesses:

"“The first strike hit at around 1300 GMT (4 p.m. local time), prompting terrified children and adults on the beach to scatter. A second and third struck as they ran, setting fire to huts on the beach,” Agence France-Presse’s Sara Hussein wrote. “The strikes appeared to be the result of shelling by the Israeli navy against an area with small shacks used by fishermen.”

Hussein, along with The Washington Post‘s William Booth and The Guardian‘s Peter Beaumont, saw the attack and the aftermath...“There is a deafening explosion as it hits a structure on the pier, a place we have seen hit before, where fishermen usually store their nets. Behind the smoke, I see four figures running, silhouettes whose legs are pumping raggedly. They clear the smoke. From their size it is clear they are a man and three young boys,” Beaumont wrote in his account of the attack seen from
Beaumont wrote the survivors fleeing the attack were targeted by a second shell, injuring them as they fled to safety.

“As it explodes, my colleagues, now standing by the terrace wall, shout at unseen Israeli gunners who can’t hear them: ‘They are only children,'” he wrote.

Journalists witness Gaza beach attack that killed at least 4 children - National Globalnews.ca

Monti telling someone else that they are always wrong HAHAHA :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Talk about hypocrisy !

Mr. Propaganda,

I am never wrong, as you well know. That's what irks you so much that you have become the peanut gallery. LOL
How can I be wrong when I just post facts that are always backed up and usually with source documentation, not news or opinion (or wiki).

Because most of your claims are not backed up by anything. The problem with you is that the truth hurts you so much that you refuse to admit it.
I've lost of how many of your lies i refuted because there's just so many. That's why you refused to take our debate to another part of the forum so unbiased posters can tell us who is right. Because you KNOW you're wrong. Pathetic lying propagandist coward. Thats what you are
 
montelatici, et al,

Wrong.

Well, the questions is (are) sic:
  • Was there a witness? --- or not?
YES

Read more: Israel Spokesman Admits Army Should Have Spared Boys Playing Soccer on Gaza Beach Forward.com
(COMMENT)

The Israeli's did investigate. And they admitted to the strike. But it did not come from the bay or the Israeli Navy (as so many claimed), but was indirect fire from Army Artillery.

NOTE: If any of you have been in a rocket or mortar attack, you know the echoes of buildings will confuse the sense of direction. But if you look at the video of the balcony strike, you can tell that the fire did not hit the building from the east (bay side and penetrating into the building) but was a glancing strike from the north.

The problem here is that the witnesses were not true witnesses of the event. They were the witnesses to the immediate aftermath and just assumed the strike came from Naval Gun Fire (it accounts for the media not actually seeing naval gun fire from the bay). The witnesses were making up any story just to assign blame to the Israelis. And while it was ultimately --- an Israeli Strike, the truth did no come from eye witness accounts, but from the honesty of the Israeli Defense Force.

My point is, you cannot trust the Honesty and Integrity of the Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't trust the Honesty and Integrity of the Israeli. The old Zionist denial trick, eh. Why you bozos believe that this denial technique will be more effective than the Holocaust denial trick I don't know.

But you are wrong as usual:

Photographer was a witness, obviously:

Israeli Strike Kills Four Boys Playing on Gaza Beach - ABC News



The following makes clear that foreign reporters were witnesses:

"“The first strike hit at around 1300 GMT (4 p.m. local time), prompting terrified children and adults on the beach to scatter. A second and third struck as they ran, setting fire to huts on the beach,” Agence France-Presse’s Sara Hussein wrote. “The strikes appeared to be the result of shelling by the Israeli navy against an area with small shacks used by fishermen.”

Hussein, along with The Washington Post‘s William Booth and The Guardian‘s Peter Beaumont, saw the attack and the aftermath...“There is a deafening explosion as it hits a structure on the pier, a place we have seen hit before, where fishermen usually store their nets. Behind the smoke, I see four figures running, silhouettes whose legs are pumping raggedly. They clear the smoke. From their size it is clear they are a man and three young boys,” Beaumont wrote in his account of the attack seen from
Beaumont wrote the survivors fleeing the attack were targeted by a second shell, injuring them as they fled to safety.

“As it explodes, my colleagues, now standing by the terrace wall, shout at unseen Israeli gunners who can’t hear them: ‘They are only children,'” he wrote.

Journalists witness Gaza beach attack that killed at least 4 children - National Globalnews.ca

Monti telling someone else that they are always wrong HAHAHA :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Talk about hypocrisy !

Mr. Propaganda,

I am never wrong, as you well know. That's what irks you so much that you have become the peanut gallery. LOL
How can I be wrong when I just post facts that are always backed up and usually with source documentation, not news or opinion (or wiki).

Because most of your claims are not backed up by anything. The problem with you is that the truth hurts you so much that you refuse to admit it.
I've lost of how many of your lies i refuted because there's just so many. That's why you refused to take our debate to another part of the forum so unbiased posters can tell us who is right. Because you KNOW you're wrong. Pathetic lying propagandist coward. Thats what you are

Now, now Mr. Propaganda, you know very well that there is not one thing that I have stated that is not backed up by documentation, usually source documentation.

On the other hand you have never, ever backed up any of your claims with anything but Zionist/Jewish propaganda sources or Wiki (at a given point in time which usually changes before anyone can get to it)

You can repeat a lie to yourself over and over again, but it doesn't make it true. Everyone here recognizes that I am stickler for providing only neutral or pro-Zionist sources for backup, in the rare cases where I don't have source documentation. You also recognize it, you just can't admit it. You haven't the skill or patience to use university archives for source documentation, for example. So you use Zionist/Jewish propaganda that created the myths of Israel.
 
montelatici, et al,

Wrong.

(COMMENT)

The Israeli's did investigate. And they admitted to the strike. But it did not come from the bay or the Israeli Navy (as so many claimed), but was indirect fire from Army Artillery.

NOTE: If any of you have been in a rocket or mortar attack, you know the echoes of buildings will confuse the sense of direction. But if you look at the video of the balcony strike, you can tell that the fire did not hit the building from the east (bay side and penetrating into the building) but was a glancing strike from the north.

The problem here is that the witnesses were not true witnesses of the event. They were the witnesses to the immediate aftermath and just assumed the strike came from Naval Gun Fire (it accounts for the media not actually seeing naval gun fire from the bay). The witnesses were making up any story just to assign blame to the Israelis. And while it was ultimately --- an Israeli Strike, the truth did no come from eye witness accounts, but from the honesty of the Israeli Defense Force.

My point is, you cannot trust the Honesty and Integrity of the Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't trust the Honesty and Integrity of the Israeli. The old Zionist denial trick, eh. Why you bozos believe that this denial technique will be more effective than the Holocaust denial trick I don't know.

But you are wrong as usual:

Photographer was a witness, obviously:

Israeli Strike Kills Four Boys Playing on Gaza Beach - ABC News



The following makes clear that foreign reporters were witnesses:

"“The first strike hit at around 1300 GMT (4 p.m. local time), prompting terrified children and adults on the beach to scatter. A second and third struck as they ran, setting fire to huts on the beach,” Agence France-Presse’s Sara Hussein wrote. “The strikes appeared to be the result of shelling by the Israeli navy against an area with small shacks used by fishermen.”

Hussein, along with The Washington Post‘s William Booth and The Guardian‘s Peter Beaumont, saw the attack and the aftermath...“There is a deafening explosion as it hits a structure on the pier, a place we have seen hit before, where fishermen usually store their nets. Behind the smoke, I see four figures running, silhouettes whose legs are pumping raggedly. They clear the smoke. From their size it is clear they are a man and three young boys,” Beaumont wrote in his account of the attack seen from
Beaumont wrote the survivors fleeing the attack were targeted by a second shell, injuring them as they fled to safety.

“As it explodes, my colleagues, now standing by the terrace wall, shout at unseen Israeli gunners who can’t hear them: ‘They are only children,'” he wrote.

Journalists witness Gaza beach attack that killed at least 4 children - National Globalnews.ca

Monti telling someone else that they are always wrong HAHAHA :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Talk about hypocrisy !

Mr. Propaganda,

I am never wrong, as you well know. That's what irks you so much that you have become the peanut gallery. LOL
How can I be wrong when I just post facts that are always backed up and usually with source documentation, not news or opinion (or wiki).

Because most of your claims are not backed up by anything. The problem with you is that the truth hurts you so much that you refuse to admit it.
I've lost of how many of your lies i refuted because there's just so many. That's why you refused to take our debate to another part of the forum so unbiased posters can tell us who is right. Because you KNOW you're wrong. Pathetic lying propagandist coward. Thats what you are

Now, now Mr. Propaganda, you know very well that there is not one thing that I have stated that is not backed up by documentation, usually source documentation.

On the other hand you have never, ever backed up any of your claims with anything but Zionist/Jewish propaganda sources or Wiki (at a given point in time which usually changes before anyone can get to it)

You can repeat a lie to yourself over and over again, but it doesn't make it true. Everyone here recognizes that I am stickler for providing only neutral or pro-Zionist sources for backup, in the rare cases where I don't have source documentation. You also recognize it, you just can't admit it. You haven't the skill or patience to use university archives for source documentation, for example. So you use Zionist/Jewish propaganda that created the myths of Israel.


"Everyone here recognizes that I am stickler for providing only neutral or pro-Zionist sources for backup"

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wow, you're more delirious than I thought. Just a reminder you propaganda, repeating the same thing over and over and over like you just did, will NOT change the actual facts.
Fact #1: You are a propaganda machine
Fact#2: You are a liar
Fact#3: I have refuted many of your bullshit lies many times. The evidence I presented was indisputable, yet you are too much of a coward to admit it.
Fact#4: Did I mention you are a propaganda machine?
Fact#5: I have yet to come across another poster who spews more propaganda than you do.

No matter how hard you try, no matter how many times you deny it, the above facts still remain.

BTW, my offer still stands to take our debate to another section here where there are unbiased posters to judge weather or weather not I refuted your claims.
I wouldn't be surprised if you rejected the offer, again, since you know that you're completely wrong, despite your usual "I only post facts!" rant.
 
BTW, you keep saying I use Zionist sources all the time. Care to tell me which ones you're talking about?
 
It would be too tedious Mr. Propaganda. Better to ask me to point out a link to a neutral source when and if you ever do provide one.
 
Haya, a Hebron college student, has stopped telling friends about peace and started boycotting Israeli products. But she meets twice a month with Israelis and says one day she might be Palestinian president.

Amid a sea of demure Palestinian young women in high heels, she wears jeans and Converse sneakers. In a city where many people support Hamas’s brand of armed resistance against Israel, she secretly meets with Israelis to talk about peace.

“I think it’s better than doing nothing,” says Haya, a university student with fluent English. “And I might be president one day, and I will change everything. Because our president is not doing anything.”

Haya was born in 1993, the year the Oslo Accords were signed. They laid out a framework for establishing a sovereign Palestinian state by the time she would be five years old.

“Maybe if Palestinians and Israelis live together, it would be safer for both,” she says. “We don’t need walls … we should demolish [the border] and dance over it.”

In tense West Bank city she secretly meets Israelis to talk peace - Yahoo News
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Probably the best sign of advancement I've seen in a long while.

Haya, a Hebron college student, has stopped telling friends about peace and started boycotting Israeli products. But she meets twice a month with Israelis and says one day she might be Palestinian president.

Amid a sea of demure Palestinian young women in high heels, she wears jeans and Converse sneakers. In a city where many people support Hamas’s brand of armed resistance against Israel, she secretly meets with Israelis to talk about peace.

“I think it’s better than doing nothing,” says Haya, a university student with fluent English. “And I might be president one day, and I will change everything. Because our president is not doing anything.”

Haya was born in 1993, the year the Oslo Accords were signed. They laid out a framework for establishing a sovereign Palestinian state by the time she would be five years old.

“Maybe if Palestinians and Israelis live together, it would be safer for both,” she says. “We don’t need walls … we should demolish [the border] and dance over it.”

In tense West Bank city she secretly meets Israelis to talk peace - Yahoo News
(COMMENT)

Once in a great while, humanity is graced with the right kind of personality --- with the right attitude --- at the right time --- and in the right place. They don't come around very often, but when they do --- it gives us all a bit of optimism that we might not otherwise have. Maybe she is the spearhead the breakout peace.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
She has the right attitude, and should the Israelis ever agree with her proposal "“We don’t need walls … we should demolish [the border] and dance over it.” I am sure 90% of the Palestinians would agree. But the Israelis would never agree.
 
She has the right attitude, and should the Israelis ever agree with her proposal "“We don’t need walls … we should demolish [the border] and dance over it.” I am sure 90% of the Palestinians would agree. But the Israelis would never agree.
The two state solution is just a regurgitation of the old partition plan. They have been trying to get that pig to fly since 1937.

What was that definition of insanity again?
 
It would be too tedious Mr. Propaganda. Better to ask me to point out a link to a neutral source when and if you ever do provide one.

That's what I thought propaganda king. You can't come up with a Zionist source that I use because you lied about that.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Probably the best sign of advancement I've seen in a long while.

Haya, a Hebron college student, has stopped telling friends about peace and started boycotting Israeli products. But she meets twice a month with Israelis and says one day she might be Palestinian president.

Amid a sea of demure Palestinian young women in high heels, she wears jeans and Converse sneakers. In a city where many people support Hamas’s brand of armed resistance against Israel, she secretly meets with Israelis to talk about peace.

“I think it’s better than doing nothing,” says Haya, a university student with fluent English. “And I might be president one day, and I will change everything. Because our president is not doing anything.”

Haya was born in 1993, the year the Oslo Accords were signed. They laid out a framework for establishing a sovereign Palestinian state by the time she would be five years old.

“Maybe if Palestinians and Israelis live together, it would be safer for both,” she says. “We don’t need walls … we should demolish [the border] and dance over it.”

In tense West Bank city she secretly meets Israelis to talk peace - Yahoo News
(COMMENT)

Once in a great while, humanity is graced with the right kind of personality --- with the right attitude --- at the right time --- and in the right place. They don't come around very often, but when they do --- it gives us all a bit of optimism that we might not otherwise have. Maybe she is the spearhead the breakout peace.

Most Respectfully,
R
If we wait for the leaders, peace won't happen.

 
montelatici,


She has the right attitude, and should the Israelis ever agree with her proposal "“We don’t need walls … we should demolish [the border] and dance over it.” I am sure 90% of the Palestinians would agree. But the Israelis would never agree.
(NOTE)

It was Lao Tzu, who said, “The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.”

v/r
R
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Probably the best sign of advancement I've seen in a long while.

Haya, a Hebron college student, has stopped telling friends about peace and started boycotting Israeli products. But she meets twice a month with Israelis and says one day she might be Palestinian president.

Amid a sea of demure Palestinian young women in high heels, she wears jeans and Converse sneakers. In a city where many people support Hamas’s brand of armed resistance against Israel, she secretly meets with Israelis to talk about peace.

“I think it’s better than doing nothing,” says Haya, a university student with fluent English. “And I might be president one day, and I will change everything. Because our president is not doing anything.”

Haya was born in 1993, the year the Oslo Accords were signed. They laid out a framework for establishing a sovereign Palestinian state by the time she would be five years old.

“Maybe if Palestinians and Israelis live together, it would be safer for both,” she says. “We don’t need walls … we should demolish [the border] and dance over it.”

In tense West Bank city she secretly meets Israelis to talk peace - Yahoo News
(COMMENT)

Once in a great while, humanity is graced with the right kind of personality --- with the right attitude --- at the right time --- and in the right place. They don't come around very often, but when they do --- it gives us all a bit of optimism that we might not otherwise have. Maybe she is the spearhead the breakout peace.

Most Respectfully,
R
If we wait for the leaders, peace won't happen.



I feel like people on both sides have that "my involvement alone won't make a difference' mentality. Kind of like "my vote alone won't make a difference" mentality.

There is simply not enough cooperation between both sides (non government) for them to a noticeable impact. Hopefully that will change in the near future.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Probably the best sign of advancement I've seen in a long while.

Haya, a Hebron college student, has stopped telling friends about peace and started boycotting Israeli products. But she meets twice a month with Israelis and says one day she might be Palestinian president.

Amid a sea of demure Palestinian young women in high heels, she wears jeans and Converse sneakers. In a city where many people support Hamas’s brand of armed resistance against Israel, she secretly meets with Israelis to talk about peace.

“I think it’s better than doing nothing,” says Haya, a university student with fluent English. “And I might be president one day, and I will change everything. Because our president is not doing anything.”

Haya was born in 1993, the year the Oslo Accords were signed. They laid out a framework for establishing a sovereign Palestinian state by the time she would be five years old.

“Maybe if Palestinians and Israelis live together, it would be safer for both,” she says. “We don’t need walls … we should demolish [the border] and dance over it.”

In tense West Bank city she secretly meets Israelis to talk peace - Yahoo News
(COMMENT)

Once in a great while, humanity is graced with the right kind of personality --- with the right attitude --- at the right time --- and in the right place. They don't come around very often, but when they do --- it gives us all a bit of optimism that we might not otherwise have. Maybe she is the spearhead the breakout peace.

Most Respectfully,
R
If we wait for the leaders, peace won't happen.



Peace won't happen as long as Palestinains hate Israel more than they love their own children & teach their own children to continue hating Israel more than they love their own children. An endless cycle. It's called Palestinian mentality.
 
Palestinians will hate Israel for some time. Just as you wouldn't ask Jews to stop hating the Nazis you can't ask the Palestinians yo stop hating the Israelis. However, after some time of living without borders and peace, as the girl says, maybe the hate can be mitigated over time.

As far as Golda Mabovitch's the old propaganda line, give it up, we all know it's propaganda meant to dehumanize the Palestinians, the Nazis used similar tactics for the Jews.
 
Palestinians will hate Israel for some time. Just as you wouldn't ask Jews to stop hating the Nazis you can't ask the Palestinians yo stop hating the Israelis. However, after some time of living without borders and peace, as the girl says, maybe the hate can be mitigated over time.

As far as Golda Mabovitch's the old propaganda line, give it up, we all know it's propaganda meant to dehumanize the Palestinians, the Nazis used similar tactics for the Jews.


No one agrees more than I that Israel should declare borders. Borders from Syria to Egypt to the Jordan River. Anything else Israel can do to please you?
 
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Palestinians will hate Israel for some time. Just as you wouldn't ask Jews to stop hating the Nazis you can't ask the Palestinians yo stop hating the Israelis. However, after some time of living without borders and peace, as the girl says, maybe the hate can be mitigated over time.

As far as Golda Mabovitch's the old propaganda line, give it up, we all know it's propaganda meant to dehumanize the Palestinians, the Nazis used similar tactics for the Jews.


No one agrees more than I that Israel should declare borders. Borders from Syria to Egypt to the Jordan River. Anything else Israel can do to please you?

Then we agree.
 
Palestinians will hate Israel for some time. Just as you wouldn't ask Jews to stop hating the Nazis you can't ask the Palestinians yo stop hating the Israelis. However, after some time of living without borders and peace, as the girl says, maybe the hate can be mitigated over time.

As far as Golda Mabovitch's the old propaganda line, give it up, we all know it's propaganda meant to dehumanize the Palestinians, the Nazis used similar tactics for the Jews.


No one agrees more than I that Israel should declare borders. Borders from Syria to Egypt to the Jordan River. Anything else Israel can do to please you?

Then we agree.

Most definately. So now that we agreee on Israel's borders from Syria to Egypt to the Jordan River, where is this "Palestine" that you speak of?
 
Palestinians will hate Israel for some time. Just as you wouldn't ask Jews to stop hating the Nazis you can't ask the Palestinians yo stop hating the Israelis. However, after some time of living without borders and peace, as the girl says, maybe the hate can be mitigated over time.

As far as Golda Mabovitch's the old propaganda line, give it up, we all know it's propaganda meant to dehumanize the Palestinians, the Nazis used similar tactics for the Jews.


No one agrees more than I that Israel should declare borders. Borders from Syria to Egypt to the Jordan River. Anything else Israel can do to please you?

Then we agree.

Most definately. So now that we agreee on Israel's borders from Syria to Egypt to the Jordan River, where is this "Palestine" that you speak of?

There cannot be a sovereign Palestine anymore, too many settlements.
 
Palestinians will hate Israel for some time. Just as you wouldn't ask Jews to stop hating the Nazis you can't ask the Palestinians yo stop hating the Israelis. However, after some time of living without borders and peace, as the girl says, maybe the hate can be mitigated over time.

As far as Golda Mabovitch's the old propaganda line, give it up, we all know it's propaganda meant to dehumanize the Palestinians, the Nazis used similar tactics for the Jews.


No one agrees more than I that Israel should declare borders. Borders from Syria to Egypt to the Jordan River. Anything else Israel can do to please you?

Then we agree.

Most definately. So now that we agreee on Israel's borders from Syria to Egypt to the Jordan River, where is this "Palestine" that you speak of?

There cannot be a sovereign Palestine anymore, too many settlements.

Isn't it just awful that not a single surrounding Arab country to Israel will grant their Palestinians a right of return back to their native homelands?
 
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