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Some of us happen to feel that they deserve to have a state and a two state solution is the best way to go. You can't keep a people in landless/stateless limbo forever while you chip away at their land and their rights. Whether it's Palestinians or some other group.

You are not going to have peace until that situation is settled along with it's attendent issues.

What is your agenda? Do you really think all folks only support the Palestinian cause because (I'm guessing this is what are implying) they are anti-semitic or hate Israel?

There is room for both.

Yes, I'm sure there is room for both the support of Arabs and the hatred of Jews in one disgusting ideology.

I'm surprised you admitted as much.

Perhaps you need to work on your reading skills a bit. You are a person who claims to revere logic but show an amazing lack of logic.

Let me put it this way:
Support of the Palestinians right to self determination
does not necessarily equal
Support for the Arab states and their (varied) positions
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Israel
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Jews
does not necessarily equal
Support for any number of human rights violations on behalf of any of these groups

One can support both an Israeli state and a Palestinian state side by side without engaging in any logical fallacies to try and distort the other's position.

I'm not surprised at you however. This is the childish behavior you've been consistently displaying on these boards.
 
Perhaps you need to work on your reading skills a bit. You are a person who claims to revere logic but show an amazing lack of logic.

Let me put it this way:
Support of the Palestinians right to self determination
does not necessarily equal
Support for the Arab states and their (varied) positions
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Israel
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Jews
does not necessarily equal
Support for any number of human rights violations on behalf of any of these groups

One can support both an Israeli state and a Palestinian state side by side without engaging in any logical fallacies to try and distort the other's position.

I'm not surprised at you however. This is the childish behavior you've been consistently displaying on these boards.

There are many whose interest in this situation is based more upon heaping their hatred of jews onto israel than it is any support or consideration/concern for the arab muslims. They make no comments on the horrific treatment of the arabs who call themselves palestinians in other nations such as syria, lebanon, kuwait, iraq or jordan, they never condemn the mistreatment of them by hamas, nor do they have any comment on human rights situations elsewhere in the world, all of which are easy telltale signs that they are shedding crocodile tears for this subset of arab muslims.

Further, simply because a group of arab muslims has decide that they are a distinct people, and under the notion of dar al-islam have the "right" to conquer the holy land region, does not mean that they are legitimate in doing so. The arab muslims have no more legitimacy or right to the Levant than martians, and there is no question that most of the arab muslims living in the west bank/gaza are from other arab muslim countries.

As for support for arab muslims, given that their positions in this conflict are all maximalist, where only they will retain sovereign power and all other groups will be enslaved as dhimmis, in essence a zero sum game, than by definition support for the arab muslims is a strong determinant that one is anti-israel.

Contrast the many who support israel are not maximalist as they accept a 2-state solution with arab muslims and their apologists who will only accept a one-state solution - with arab muslims in control. It is all code for enabling yet another ethnic cleansing and slaughter of a minority by arab muslims.
 
I on the other hand feel that Zionists should only be allowed to stay in The Levant to serve out long prison sentences. Whether they are Christian, Jewish, Muslim or Atheist.

Jews and Muslims can choose to stay or go, but must be treated equally under all law, with very strong reference to which families were inhabiting land and property in 1918, and with right being disqualified for those who invaded after or who descend from European invaders.

With a general amnesty for those prepared to admit to their crimes and work towards making restoration.
Mild form of Shariah law? Rotsa ruck, Scoob.
 
I on the other hand feel that Zionists should only be allowed to stay in The Levant to serve out long prison sentences. Whether they are Christian, Jewish, Muslim or Atheist.

Jews and Muslims can choose to stay or go, but must be treated equally under all law, with very strong reference to which families were inhabiting land and property in 1918, and with right being disqualified for those who invaded after or who descend from European invaders.

With a general amnesty for those prepared to admit to their crimes and work towards making restoration.
Mild form of Shariah law? Rotsa ruck, Scoob.

Some parts of Sharia Law can work.
I am generally not for dismemberment or death. You may disagree on the latter point of course Hoss.

Rotsa ruck, Scoob.
Sorry Hoss, I don't speak your wonderful native tongue.
 
Perhaps you need to work on your reading skills a bit. You are a person who claims to revere logic but show an amazing lack of logic.

Let me put it this way:
Support of the Palestinians right to self determination
does not necessarily equal
Support for the Arab states and their (varied) positions
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Israel
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Jews
does not necessarily equal
Support for any number of human rights violations on behalf of any of these groups

One can support both an Israeli state and a Palestinian state side by side without engaging in any logical fallacies to try and distort the other's position.

I'm not surprised at you however. This is the childish behavior you've been consistently displaying on these boards.

There are many whose interest in this situation is based more upon heaping their hatred of jews onto israel than it is any support or consideration/concern for the arab muslims. They make no comments on the horrific treatment of the arabs who call themselves palestinians in other nations such as syria, lebanon, kuwait, iraq or jordan, they never condemn the mistreatment of them by hamas, nor do they have any comment on human rights situations elsewhere in the world, all of which are easy telltale signs that they are shedding crocodile tears for this subset of arab muslims.

An interesting observation: there are many here who only seem to comment on Palestinian atrocities. They have nothing to say about what is going on in Mexico, the Congo, Liberia, China, etc. No comments. Only when it involves human rights violations by Palestinians or Muslims.

But you make a good point and I agree with it. The mistreatment of Palestinian refugee camps in Syria came under scrutiny when people were fleeing the advances of ISIS and the Palestinians were stuck - they had no nationality, no citizenship, no place to go and no one would let them in. Pretty bad. They are a stateless people split up in a variety of countries but given neither citizenship nor rights. An no one seems to say anything.

Further, simply because a group of arab muslims has decide that they are a distinct people, and under the notion of dar al-islam have the "right" to conquer the holy land region, does not mean that they are legitimate in doing so. The arab muslims have no more legitimacy or right to the Levant than martians, and there is no question that most of the arab muslims living in the west bank/gaza are from other arab muslim countries.

Each people at some time - were not a "people". At some point in history they became a distinct people. Who are you to deny one groups right while endorsing another groups right? Whoever they are - the Palestinians are people who lived in that area alongside Jews and others for centuries or millenia. They share many of the same genetics and their right to be there goes back into the early history of the region. Whether they were called Palestinians or something else - it really doesn't matter. This sort of argument is nothing more than an attempt to marginalize their claims. After all - most of the Jews are European immigrants who's only claim to the region is a scant genetic relationship and a religious claim from thousands of years ago. No other land that I'm aware of, is commandeered in that manner using that rationale. What gives one more rights over the other? Nothing.

As for support for arab muslims, given that their positions in this conflict are all maximalist, where only they will retain sovereign power and all other groups will be enslaved as dhimmis, in essence a zero sum game, than by definition support for the arab muslims is a strong determinant that one is anti-israel.

Contrast the many who support israel are not maximalist as they accept a 2-state solution with arab muslims and their apologists who will only accept a one-state solution - with arab muslims in control. It is all code for enabling yet another ethnic cleansing and slaughter of a minority by arab muslims.

I disagree with that. There have been some polls and, while a majority of Israeli's say they accept a two-state solution - in general - that support goes way down when the details are brought up.

A one-state solution, regardless of what the Palestinians want - won't happen and it can not be forced on Israel. Thus a two state solution is the only option and that means both sides need to negotiate for it. I think that Fatah realizes this.
 
I on the other hand feel

You don't have anything much to offer, so you can stop posting here. Shhhh, the adults are talking.

Your capacity to receive is the issue. Your amoebic brain clearly cannot handle the least amount of complexity. So I will take your request as an indication of your stress in failing to enjoy a more sophisticated outlook.

"Scholar" you say? :itsok:
 
Coyote, et al,

This cannot be emphasized enough!

One can support both an Israeli state and a Palestinian state side by side without engaging in any logical fallacies to try and distort the other's position.
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“In all debates, let truth be thy aim, not victory, or an unjust interest.”
William Penn

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Philistines were not Arabs (and were in fact, invaders from Crete) and there is no mention of Palestine until the first century. Palestinians are not mentioned in the Bible or Koran because they did not exist until after 1967.

The overwhelming majority of today's Muslim Palestinians are squatters on Israel's land with no deeds or titles whatsoever to the land they have occupied for several generations now.

Ha Ha too funny, so Israel should of kicked them off centuries ago. Too funny. Israelites left Palestine, with no vision of returning.
 
Some of us happen to feel that they deserve to have a state and a two state solution is the best way to go. You can't keep a people in landless/stateless limbo forever while you chip away at their land and their rights. Whether it's Palestinians or some other group.

You are not going to have peace until that situation is settled along with it's attendent issues.

What is your agenda? Do you really think all folks only support the Palestinian cause because (I'm guessing this is what are implying) they are anti-semitic or hate Israel?

There is room for both.

Yes, I'm sure there is room for both the support of Arabs and the hatred of Jews in one disgusting ideology.

I'm surprised you admitted as much.

Perhaps you need to work on your reading skills a bit. You are a person who claims to revere logic but show an amazing lack of logic.

Let me put it this way:
Support of the Palestinians right to self determination
does not necessarily equal
Support for the Arab states and their (varied) positions
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Israel
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Jews
does not necessarily equal
Support for any number of human rights violations on behalf of any of these groups

One can support both an Israeli state and a Palestinian state side by side without engaging in any logical fallacies to try and distort the other's position.

I'm not surprised at you however. This is the childish behavior you've been consistently displaying on these boards.

A "palestinian state" cannot exist without the arab state backing. Even with the potential of a marine gas field, there are not enough resources to support the population. It cannot survive on agriculture, there is little in the way of easy transport for any major industry to get products to markets. Any potential as a major tourism location is destroyed or inhospitable to foreigners.
Even with growth in educational institutions there is no open discourse that might clash with the prevailing beliefs of what Islam is.
Palestinians might want the idea of state of their own but they are far from prepared to making it work on their own.
For too long their major industry has been hate. Unless they can redirect that energy into some positive productive direction, and encourage a more manageable birth rate they cannot sustain a state that can meet the needs of it's people.
 
Philistines were not Arabs (and were in fact, invaders from Crete) and there is no mention of Palestine until the first century. Palestinians are not mentioned in the Bible or Koran because they did not exist until after 1967.

The overwhelming majority of today's Muslim Palestinians are squatters on Israel's land with no deeds or titles whatsoever to the land they have occupied for several generations now.

Ha Ha too funny, so Israel should of kicked them off centuries ago. Too funny. Israelites left Palestine, with no vision of returning.


Keep on giggling.
 
Some of us happen to feel that they deserve to have a state and a two state solution is the best way to go. You can't keep a people in landless/stateless limbo forever while you chip away at their land and their rights. Whether it's Palestinians or some other group.

You are not going to have peace until that situation is settled along with it's attendent issues.

What is your agenda? Do you really think all folks only support the Palestinian cause because (I'm guessing this is what are implying) they are anti-semitic or hate Israel?

There is room for both.

Yes, I'm sure there is room for both the support of Arabs and the hatred of Jews in one disgusting ideology.

I'm surprised you admitted as much.

Perhaps you need to work on your reading skills a bit. You are a person who claims to revere logic but show an amazing lack of logic.

Let me put it this way:
Support of the Palestinians right to self determination
does not necessarily equal
Support for the Arab states and their (varied) positions
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Israel
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Jews
does not necessarily equal
Support for any number of human rights violations on behalf of any of these groups

One can support both an Israeli state and a Palestinian state side by side without engaging in any logical fallacies to try and distort the other's position.

I'm not surprised at you however. This is the childish behavior you've been consistently displaying on these boards.

A "palestinian state" cannot exist without the arab state backing. Even with the potential of a marine gas field, there are not enough resources to support the population. It cannot survive on agriculture, there is little in the way of easy transport for any major industry to get products to markets. Any potential as a major tourism location is destroyed or inhospitable to foreigners.

Wouldn't that depend on what land comprised the state? Admittedly - I am not that familiar with the geography. Isn't agriculture a possibility? Or high tech industries if they were stable enough to attract business'? Are you saying that they would need Arab state backing in the sense of investment, help building infrastructure? If so - I would agree.

Even with growth in educational institutions there is no open discourse that might clash with the prevailing beliefs of what Islam is.
Palestinians might want the idea of state of their own but they are far from prepared to making it work on their own.
For too long their major industry has been hate.

Yes and no. The hate is also driven by Israel's policies towards them. It is a complex dynamic and there is a culture of hate towards the Palestinians as well. I think with the right leadership and a viable state, they could and would make it work particularly, if, as you say that had the support of and pressure from the Arab states.

Unless they can redirect that energy into some positive productive direction, and encourage a more manageable birth rate they cannot sustain a state that can meet the needs of it's people.

Agree. Though, birthrates are a far more complex issue to deal with.
 
Some of us happen to feel that they deserve to have a state and a two state solution is the best way to go. You can't keep a people in landless/stateless limbo forever while you chip away at their land and their rights. Whether it's Palestinians or some other group.

You are not going to have peace until that situation is settled along with it's attendent issues.

What is your agenda? Do you really think all folks only support the Palestinian cause because (I'm guessing this is what are implying) they are anti-semitic or hate Israel?

There is room for both.

Yes, I'm sure there is room for both the support of Arabs and the hatred of Jews in one disgusting ideology.

I'm surprised you admitted as much.

Perhaps you need to work on your reading skills a bit. You are a person who claims to revere logic but show an amazing lack of logic.

Let me put it this way:
Support of the Palestinians right to self determination
does not necessarily equal
Support for the Arab states and their (varied) positions
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Israel
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Jews
does not necessarily equal
Support for any number of human rights violations on behalf of any of these groups

One can support both an Israeli state and a Palestinian state side by side without engaging in any logical fallacies to try and distort the other's position.

I'm not surprised at you however. This is the childish behavior you've been consistently displaying on these boards.

A "palestinian state" cannot exist without the arab state backing. Even with the potential of a marine gas field, there are not enough resources to support the population. It cannot survive on agriculture, there is little in the way of easy transport for any major industry to get products to markets. Any potential as a major tourism location is destroyed or inhospitable to foreigners.

Wouldn't that depend on what land comprised the state? Admittedly - I am not that familiar with the geography. Isn't agriculture a possibility? Or high tech industries if they were stable enough to attract business'? Are you saying that they would need Arab state backing in the sense of investment, help building infrastructure? If so - I would agree.

Even with growth in educational institutions there is no open discourse that might clash with the prevailing beliefs of what Islam is.
Palestinians might want the idea of state of their own but they are far from prepared to making it work on their own.
For too long their major industry has been hate.

Yes and no. The hate is also driven by Israel's policies towards them. It is a complex dynamic and there is a culture of hate towards the Palestinians as well. I think with the right leadership and a viable state, they could and would make it work particularly, if, as you say that had the support of and pressure from the Arab states.

Unless they can redirect that energy into some positive productive direction, and encourage a more manageable birth rate they cannot sustain a state that can meet the needs of it's people.

Agree. Though, birthrates are a far more complex issue to deal with.

Even if they had all of Jerusalem, which they will not get, It wouldn't generate enough tourism if access to the mount is limited to only Muslims. Christians would not be welcome even to the churches as they are under Israel rule. If Hamas were to gain more power over the WB or Jerusalem, tourism under strict sharia would all but end, even among some of the other sects.

Jordan would more strictly limit their crossing to prevent the more fundamentalist practices from attempting to over throw the monarchy. Trade will not be traveling via syria for awhile and with hamas ties to Iran, Saudi is not going to be giving them any right of way in trade routes.

Water for irrigation is not going to be easy and the aquifers have been depleted or polluted by poor management under palestinians control.

Foreign companies will not be easily persuaded to invest with Hamas in power or waiting anxiously to take the lead.

It would take several generation to shift from a hostile mentality into one of business, cooperation, negotiation and peace. Too long to help them.

The best opinion for a stable state is through Israel and a peace agreement.
 
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Perhaps you need to work on your reading skills a bit. You are a person who claims to revere logic but show an amazing lack of logic.

Let me put it this way:
Support of the Palestinians right to self determination
does not necessarily equal
Support for the Arab states and their (varied) positions
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Israel
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Jews
does not necessarily equal
Support for any number of human rights violations on behalf of any of these groups

One can support both an Israeli state and a Palestinian state side by side without engaging in any logical fallacies to try and distort the other's position.

I'm not surprised at you however. This is the childish behavior you've been consistently displaying on these boards.

I read what you actually wrote and not the attempted ruse, true.

As to the fantasy you are trying to foist, it is certainly true that a person can support a Palestinian state without being an antisemite, but you don't manage to pull that one off despite all your dishonest protestations to the contrary.
 
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Perhaps you need to work on your reading skills a bit. You are a person who claims to revere logic but show an amazing lack of logic.

Let me put it this way:
Support of the Palestinians right to self determination
does not necessarily equal
Support for the Arab states and their (varied) positions
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Israel
does not necessarily equal
Hatred of Jews
does not necessarily equal
Support for any number of human rights violations on behalf of any of these groups

One can support both an Israeli state and a Palestinian state side by side without engaging in any logical fallacies to try and distort the other's position.

I'm not surprised at you however. This is the childish behavior you've been consistently displaying on these boards.

I read what you actually wrote and not the attempted ruse, true.

As I said, you need to work on your reading comprehension skills rather than making shit up.

As to the fantasy you are trying to foist, it is certainly true that a person can support a Palestinian state without being an antisemite, but you don't manage to pull that one off despite all your dishonest protestations to the contrary.

You really are a hateful little feller aren't you?

I've been posting here for years. Folks know where I stand - whether they hate me, like me, or don't give a rats ass. I've always supported a two state solution and I've always supported Israel's right to exist along with the Palestinians right to a state. I don't know why it's so hard for you to comprehend that but, that is your problem, not mine :)
 
Anyone at all surprised Jordan is laying down the rules against radical islam????

To counter rise of Islamic State, Jordan imposes rules on Muslim clerics

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Hundreds of protestors gather for a demonstration to protest alleged police brutality and the death of a local in a recent house raid, in Maan, Jordan on June 25, 2014. Tens of the marches unfurled back banners in support of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria in what marked the second public showing support of the Islamic State in the kingdom in less than a week. (Taylor Luck/For The Washington Post)

By William Booth and Taylor Luck

November 9 at 8:26 PM
ZARQA, Jordan — Several hundred robed Muslim clerics recently packed themselves into an auditorium to hear the minister of Islamic affairs issue their new marching orders. The meeting was mandatory.

“You clerics are our ground forces against the extremists,” Hayel Dawood told them.

Then he made himself clear: Preach moderate Islam — or else.

“Once you cross the red line,” Dawood intoned, “you will not be let back in.”

Stunned by the rapid advance of the Islamic State in neighboring Syria and Iraq, Jordan has fortified its borders and put its air force and intelligence service to work in the U.S.-led alliance against the self-declared caliphate in Syria and Iraq. To counter the low thrum of support for extremist movements on the home front, the kingdom is not only prosecuting Islamic State recruiters and cracking down on anyone waving an Islamic State banner, but it has turned its attention to the nation’s 7,000 mosques.

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Zarqa, Jordan.
Jordanian authorities have begun a campaign to coax — and, when necessary, pressure — Muslim clerics to preach messages of peaceful Islam from their pulpits. The main targets are Jordan’s more than 5,000 imams, including lay clerics and those on the government dole, who give the traditional sermon that follows Friday prayers.

Jordan’s security apparatus has always kept a close eye on known radicals and has pursued a policy in the past of allowing even prominent al-Qaeda-affiliated clerics to preach as long as they watched what they said. The idea: It was best to grant opposition figures a sliver of political space, to better monitor, co-opt and control them.

But with the sudden rise of the Islamic State, Jordan’s religious authorities are taking a more active stance. The Islamic affairs minister is touring the kingdom to announce new rules in a remarkable series of meetings for anyone who wants access to the Friday flock.

Specifically, Jordan is demanding that preachers refrain from any speech against King Abdullah II and the royal family, slander against leaders of neighboring Arab states, incitement against the United States and Europe, and sectarianism and support for jihad and extremist thought.

Dawood also suggests that clerics keep sermons brief.

“Fifteen minutes is okay,” he told the crowd in Zarqa. He reminded them that the prophet Muhammad “was short and to the point — often 10 minutes, no more.”

For those who adhere to the new guidelines, there are government salaries of about $600 a month, religious workshops, travel assistance for pilgrimages to Mecca, and weekly guidance.

The ministry is providing suggested topics for Friday sermons, available for download from the government’s Facebook page. Recent suggestions included:

• Oct. 17 — “Security and Stability: the Need for Unity in a Time of Crisis.”

• Oct. 24 — “The Hijjra New Year — Lessons Derived From the Prophet’s Flight From Mecca.”

• Oct. 31 — “The Beginning of the Rainy Season — Safety Measures in Preparation for Winter.”

For those who stray? Banishment from the pulpit for life.

The worst offenders, those who openly praise the Islamic State, might be hauled into the newly empowered State Security Court to face charges under the country’s enhanced anti-terrorism law.

Jordan’s soft-power press for moderate Islam, a personal project of Abdullah, has been applauded by U.S. officials for its proactive approach and its emphasis on Islam’s positive messages of charity, respect and tolerance.

Some clerics, though, bristle at being told what to preach. What some see as “moderate Islam,” others decry as “state Islam,” foisted on them by a pro-Western monarchy kowtowing to foreign powers.

“They’ve left no space for us in the mosques,” said Mohammed al-Shalabi, a senior leader of ultraconservative Muslims known as Jihadi Salafis in Jordan. “They’re not even allowing anyone to use the words ‘Islamic State.’ ”

Shalabi complained that the mosques were filled with informants from the Jordanian intelligence agency. “They write down everything you say,” he said.

That is probably an exaggeration. Currently, Jordan employs 60 “monitors” to listen in at the country’s 5,500 mosques that regularly host Friday sermons. Dawood told the meeting in Zarqa that he was planning for 200 monitors but thought he needed 400 to do the job right.

In an interview, Dawood said he was “limited by budgetary and logistical constraints that is making policing the mosques that much more difficult.”

‘Not a new policy’

State control of religious life is nothing new in the Middle East. Close monitoring of sermons is common in the oil-rich states in the Persian Gulf. Likewise, many of the region’s current and former despots, in Libya, Algeria and Syria, were obsessed with imprinting their message on Islam.

But message control has grown in the wake of the Arab revolutions and the rise of the Islamic State. Recently, state-sponsored clerics in Jordan — long at the forefront of promoting religious moderation — and throughout the region have been especially vocal in denouncing the Islamic State.

Arab media report the Saudi Interior Ministry may require clerics to pass a security screening before they can preach. Egyptian authorities have banned tens of thousands of unlicensed clerics, especially imams linked to the Muslim Brotherhood.

“Centralized Islam is not a new policy,” said Omar Ashour, a senior lecturer in Middle East politics at the University of Exeter. But, he added: “It has been tried before, with mixed results.”

“You have a segment of society that will seek out other messages, other voices,” he said, perhaps in underground settings with outlaw imams. In an earlier age, extremist messages on cassette tapes were passed hand to hand; now, all it takes is typing a few search terms on YouTube.

Jordan employs about 3,400 Muslim preachers — about 2,000 clerics and 1,400 caretakers — to staff the country’s 7,000 mosques. The deficit has forced the Ministry of Islamic Affairs to grant more than 2,200 permissions for sermons to “unofficial clerics” — educators, tribal sheiks and ordinary citizens.

Those wishing to ascend the pulpit are supposed to register with the ministry’s directorate. Applicants are subject to a security check and must receive approval from the intelligence service. Even so, Jordanian officials say dangerous preachers have slipped through their filters.

“We have preachers using the pulpit for political means, to launch attacks on private individuals and the state,” Dawood said. “This will not be tolerated.”

Jordan has barred 30 preachers from delivering sermons so far this year. The ministry banned six clerics in October for allegedly denouncing Jordan’s participation in the U.S.-led coalition against the Islamic State, referring four to the State Security Court for attempting to “disseminate terrorist ideology” and “gathering support for the Islamic State.”

Ahmed Abu Omar was among them. The Amman cleric, who declined to use his full name out of concern for his safety, said he delivered a Friday sermon on Oct. 3 denouncing coalition airstrikes he feared were targeting Syrian and Iraqi civilians.

“I was only speaking the truth, that Jordan should not participate in the killing of civilians, which is forbidden in Islam,” he said. “I was told later that this was ‘inciting terrorism.’ ”

According to people who attended the sermon, Abu Omar went on to call on Jordanians to “show solidarity with the Islamic State,” which was “defending Islam against the United States and the crusaders.”

Rules welcomed in Zarqa

The meeting outlining the do’s and don’ts appeared to be welcomed in Zarqa, long a bastion of al-Qaeda supporters, including an eclectic mix of salafists, sufis and jihadists who, some state-supported clerics said, have posed a challenge. (Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the al-Qaeda in Iraq leader who was killed in an American airstrike in 2006, hailed from the city.)

“We have extremists come to our mosques. We know who they are, and they make their presence known,” said Mohammed Mushagbeh, 70, a cleric in the village of Hashmiyeh, outside Zarqa. “But our words can only go so far; we cannot just be in the defensive, we must go on the offensive.”

According to Mushagbeh, a ministry-employed cleric for more than a decade, extremist preachers in Zarqa have also used the pulpit to attack Jordanian authorities.

“It is up to all of us to root them out,” he said.

William Booth is The Post’s Jerusalem bureau chief. He was previously bureau chief in Mexico, Los Angeles and Miami.
 
And Abbas want to move Arafat to Jerusalem, like that is going to happen, or make Jerusalem part of the PA.
If anything the idea/threat of wanting to move Arafat to Jerusalem is going to make Israel block access to the mount to prevent Arafat's grave becoming a shrine or pilgrimage site.
They are playing with dynamite and the world going to end up the victim.
 
Who are the Palestinians you say? Why, in my opinion, they're anyone who lived in the area prior to any mischief-making Ashkenazi Johnny-Come-Later German, Polish or Russian showing up who falsely claimed to be a member of a fictitious 'Lost Tribe' of biblical Hebrews. ~ Susan
 
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