Who Are The Palestinians?

[Coyote]

Seriously dude? I think you are a sick pathetic bitter little man. I'd ask you show me a link to anything I've said that promotes persecution or antisemitism except everyvtime I ask you for a link you fail to produce anything.

I don't believe in persecuting any group or scapegoating any group - people are individuals and deserve to be treated as such. A pity you have yet to learn that.

and I think you are an unevolved piece of double-talking excrement whose very mission is to indulge in deceit and promote the mission of those who seek the death of Jews above all else.

Not ONCE have you been willing to discuss the genocidal ambitions of Hamas, the degree to which this is supported in the general population, or the nature of Palestinian culture. All you do is defend, defend, defend as you see that as your mission in life.

I've given my opinions in various threads on Hamas. As far as Palestinian culture? I don't agree with your view that all Palestinians (and Muslims) are subhuman monstrosities. Save your racism for someone else to swallow.

 

[Coyote]

Israel ceased to exist thousands of years ago - and like any ancient civilization or nation that ceased to exist, it can't come back three thousand years later and lay claims to ancient territory. That is one of the most ridiculous basis for ownership I've ever seen.

Yeah -- a culture that has existed for over three thousand years has no right to self determination.

Ok...making shit up again are you? The comment was referring to using ancient nations as a means to make modern claims on land. Try to keep up.

....but, by golly, one that was made up out of whole cloth a few decades ago sure does!

That's a pretty stupid thing to say.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I've given my opinions in various threads on Hamas. As far as Palestinian culture? I don't agree with your view that all Palestinians (and Muslims) are subhuman monstrosities. Save your racism for someone else to swallow.

I never said all, antisemite. The words "the degree to which" beliefs are held indicates that not all hold them, but since a seriously high percentage DO, one must take that fact into consideration.

The problem here isn't that I consider those who wish to commit genocide to be subhuman monsters, but that you DON'T. You have made this quite clear.

 

[Coyote]

I've given my opinions in various threads on Hamas. As far as Palestinian culture? I don't agree with your view that all Palestinians (and Muslims) are subhuman monstrosities. Save your racism for someone else to swallow.

I never said all, antisemite. The words "the degree to which" beliefs are held indicates that not all hold them, but since a seriously high percentage DO, one must take that fact into consideration.

The problem here isn't that I consider those who wish to commit genocide to be subhuman monsters, but that you DON'T. You have made this quite clear.

What I have made clear is that I don't support genocide period. Should the Palestinians as a whole attempt to conduct genocide (such as the Serbs, or Rwanda, or ISIS) then my opinion of them as a group will change. Until then, most of their actions are an attempt to gain a nation and it's impossible to seperate that out from the other issues until they have a nation. Give them a nation, and hold them to acceptable norms of conduct. If they fail, they fail. If they attempt genocide - then I'll put them right up there with the Serbs, ISIS, Rwanda etc etc. The degree to which you concern yourself with genocide, however, seems very narrowly defined.

So....care to produce any quotes that indicate I'm an antisemite? Or is this when you do your disappearing act again?

 

[Penelope]

The Palestinians are a group of people encaged and oppressed by a Zionist communistic group who think the Palestinians should drift into the sea without boats or life jackets.

 

[Mindful]

Until then, most of their actions are an attempt to gain a nation.

Actions like shooting two Israeli girls at a bus stop, and stabbing an IDF soldier in Tel Aviv?

 

[Coyote]

Until then, most of their actions are an attempt to gain a nation.

Actions like shooting two Israeli girls at a bus stop, and stabbing an IDF soldier in Tel Aviv?

Their actions have included terrorism and terrorism is terrorism - but it's not necessarily genocide. And the terrorism is in an attempt to gain a nation. That doesn't excuse the terrorism in any way.

 

[Mindful]

Until then, most of their actions are an attempt to gain a nation.

Actions like shooting two Israeli girls at a bus stop, and stabbing an IDF soldier in Tel Aviv?

Their actions have included terrorism and terrorism is terrorism - but it's not necessarily genocide. And the terrorism is in an attempt to gain a nation. That doesn't excuse the terrorism in any way.

Not necessarily genocide? Are you serious?

Then you creat some ambivalence by justifying terrorism, and then in the next sentence, not excusing it.

 

[Coyote]

Until then, most of their actions are an attempt to gain a nation.

Actions like shooting two Israeli girls at a bus stop, and stabbing an IDF soldier in Tel Aviv?

Their actions have included terrorism and terrorism is terrorism - but it's not necessarily genocide. And the terrorism is in an attempt to gain a nation. That doesn't excuse the terrorism in any way.

Not necessarily genocide? Are you serious?

Then you creat some ambivalence by justifying terrorism, and then in the next sentence, not excusing it.

Genocide: Genocide - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or a significant part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group. Well-known examples of genocide include the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, and more recently the Rwandan genocide.

Are you going to tell me that all terrorism is genocide?

As far as "justifying" - it's not.in my opinon "justifiable" but many so-called resistance groups and "freedom fighters" engage in it including Israel in it's founding. Admitting reality is not "justifying". It is what it is and those who use it will justify it in terms of the ends justifies the means.

 

[Mindful]

Until then, most of their actions are an attempt to gain a nation.

Actions like shooting two Israeli girls at a bus stop, and stabbing an IDF soldier in Tel Aviv?

Their actions have included terrorism and terrorism is terrorism - but it's not necessarily genocide. And the terrorism is in an attempt to gain a nation. That doesn't excuse the terrorism in any way.

Not necessarily genocide? Are you serious?

Then you creat some ambivalence by justifying terrorism, and then in the next sentence, not excusing it.

Genocide: Genocide - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or a significant part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group. Well-known examples of genocide include the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, and more recently the Rwandan genocide.

Are you going to tell me that all terrorism is genocide?

As far as "justifying" - it's not.in my opinon "justifiable" but many so-called resistance groups and "freedom fighters" engage in it including Israel in it's founding. Admitting reality is not "justifying". It is what it is and those who use it will justify it in terms of the ends justifies the means.

I just don't "get" you.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

What I have made clear is that I don't support genocide period. Should the Palestinians as a whole attempt to conduct genocide (such as the Serbs, or Rwanda, or ISIS) then my opinion of them as a group will change. Until then, most of their actions are an attempt to gain a nation and it's impossible to seperate that out from the other issues until they have a nation. Give them a nation, and hold them to acceptable norms of conduct. If they fail, they fail. If they attempt genocide - then I'll put them right up there with the Serbs, ISIS, Rwanda etc etc. The degree to which you concern yourself with genocide, however, seems very narrowly defined.

So....care to produce any quotes that indicate I'm an antisemite? Or is this when you do your disappearing act again?

I find it interesting how you will go to such lengths to offer your support for a concept while attempting to deny that you do.

Your pathetic rationalization that you support their terrorism since it is their method to gain this "state" (even though they could have had one long ago), and only at that time when they have one would you possibly object to their stated aim of genocide of Jews .... well, ...it is beyond the pale. Especially since you are on record as supporting the overwhelming of the Jewish state with Arabs committed to genocide, I would say your antisemitism is quite well established.

Again, I realize that you have not yet evolved as a human, but really now -- it is high time you started the process.

 

[Mindful]

The Peacemakers.


Peacemakers by Ryan Bellerose Israellycool

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I just don't "get" you.

My money is on Muslim Brotherhood. The long established pattern of deceit, and underhanded double talk just screams it.

My other working theory is that she (or he) works for child protective services in Rotherham. It's hard to tell.

In any case, we have here an operative with a long track record that extends to several years and across different boards.

 

[aris2chat]

Are we any the wiser yet as to who they are?

Apparantly not. I am still waiting to learn when Israel's ancient land first became this "Palestinian land" that the Palestinians & their supporters claim Israel in stealing from them.

Israel ceased to exist thousands of years ago - and like any ancient civilization or nation that ceased to exist, it can't come back three thousand years later and lay claims to ancient territory. That is one of the most ridiculous basis for ownership I've ever seen.

Land was renamed by conquerors, but the people/children of "Israel" continued on, even in what became the mandate. As a race, like the native <indians> of america, even being moved and dispersed through the general population, they still exist as a people. They do not just cease to exist.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The Peacemakers.


Peacemakers by Ryan Bellerose Israellycool

Great piece. I especially liked this line "It may surprise you to hear that that statement is not what made me angry, I can almost respect someone who is at least honest about their bigotry and hatred."

I tend to feel the same way in that it is all of Coyote's revolting double talk that is more offensive than if the creature would just be honest about what he or she is doing .

The continuous support for something coupled with copious denial that his is what one is doing a most familiar technique of those who are seriously intent on agitprop. I might say "schooled" in agitprop, but I do not know for sure.

 

[Coyote]

Until then, most of their actions are an attempt to gain a nation.

Actions like shooting two Israeli girls at a bus stop, and stabbing an IDF soldier in Tel Aviv?

Their actions have included terrorism and terrorism is terrorism - but it's not necessarily genocide. And the terrorism is in an attempt to gain a nation. That doesn't excuse the terrorism in any way.

Not necessarily genocide? Are you serious?

Then you creat some ambivalence by justifying terrorism, and then in the next sentence, not excusing it.

Genocide: Genocide - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or a significant part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group. Well-known examples of genocide include the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, and more recently the Rwandan genocide.

Are you going to tell me that all terrorism is genocide?

As far as "justifying" - it's not.in my opinon "justifiable" but many so-called resistance groups and "freedom fighters" engage in it including Israel in it's founding. Admitting reality is not "justifying". It is what it is and those who use it will justify it in terms of the ends justifies the means.

I just don't "get" you.

People will use terrorism for a variety of things - it's not necessarily for genocide, in fact it often isn't. That's what I'm trying to say. I don't understand why you consider the two the same when they're really two very different things though there can be overlap.

 

[Coyote]

The Peacemakers.


Peacemakers by Ryan Bellerose Israellycool

Great piece. I especially liked this line "It may surprise you to hear that that statement is not what made me angry, I can almost respect someone who is at least honest about their bigotry and hatred."

I tend to feel the same way in that it is all of Coyote's revolting double talk that is more offensive than if the creature would just be honest about what he or she is doing .

The continuous support for something coupled with copious denial that his is what one is doing a most familiar technique of those who are seriously intent on agitprop. I might say "schooled" in agitprop, but I do not know for sure.

I say exactly what I think and feel and your non-stop attempt to put words in my mouth doesn't alter that.

Have you come up with any links supporting your claims? Or are you going to lie your way out of this by inventing something?

 

[Mindful]

Actions like shooting two Israeli girls at a bus stop, and stabbing an IDF soldier in Tel Aviv?

Their actions have included terrorism and terrorism is terrorism - but it's not necessarily genocide. And the terrorism is in an attempt to gain a nation. That doesn't excuse the terrorism in any way.

Not necessarily genocide? Are you serious?

Then you creat some ambivalence by justifying terrorism, and then in the next sentence, not excusing it.

Genocide: Genocide - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or a significant part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group. Well-known examples of genocide include the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, and more recently the Rwandan genocide.

Are you going to tell me that all terrorism is genocide?

As far as "justifying" - it's not.in my opinon "justifiable" but many so-called resistance groups and "freedom fighters" engage in it including Israel in it's founding. Admitting reality is not "justifying". It is what it is and those who use it will justify it in terms of the ends justifies the means.

I just don't "get" you.

People will use terrorism for a variety of things - it's not necessarily for genocide, in fact it often isn't. That's what I'm trying to say. I don't understand why you consider the two the same when they're really two very different things though there can be overlap.

It's not NECESSARILY genocide?

I'll bear that in mind when ISIS turns up to chop my head off.

 

[Coyote]

I just don't "get" you.

My money is on Muslim Brotherhood. The long established pattern of deceit, and underhanded double talk just screams it.

My other working theory is that she (or he) works for child protective services in Rotherham. It's hard to tell.

In any case, we have here an operative with a long track record that extends to several years and across different boards.

You are just so flipping weird

Ok...I admit it. I'm a stealth member of the MB cleverly disguised as a flea bitten liberal. I am really a male humanoid, with 6 wives and 68 children all of whom live in a tent in a desert in New Mexico hard at work designing ever new and more effective methods of dispensing propoganda. We currently have a cell phone app that sends subliminal Islamic messages into your brain through your fitness device while you are sleeping. We also have a new brand of drink mix - Agipop - that's like a combo of Pop Rocks meets Koolaide, that turns drinkers into Zombie Ayatollahs. Unfortunately....we're still working on the beta here as it's addicts show a disarming tendancy to go prostrate multiple times a day with their fannies in the air yelling "Jesus Akhbar Hail the Virgin Mary Drinks are on Us". It's a work in progress but we anticipate great results by years end. Then, not to leave out the kiddies we have a new toy in development but already out in several select markets. It's the Allah Bear - a cute stuffed critter with a plush turban and when you hug it it simultaneously farts and utters soothing words of religious dogma. And I bet you thought you were just having a gassy night

 

[Coyote]

Their actions have included terrorism and terrorism is terrorism - but it's not necessarily genocide. And the terrorism is in an attempt to gain a nation. That doesn't excuse the terrorism in any way.

Not necessarily genocide? Are you serious?

Then you creat some ambivalence by justifying terrorism, and then in the next sentence, not excusing it.

Genocide: Genocide - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or a significant part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group. Well-known examples of genocide include the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, and more recently the Rwandan genocide.

Are you going to tell me that all terrorism is genocide?

As far as "justifying" - it's not.in my opinon "justifiable" but many so-called resistance groups and "freedom fighters" engage in it including Israel in it's founding. Admitting reality is not "justifying". It is what it is and those who use it will justify it in terms of the ends justifies the means.

I just don't "get" you.

People will use terrorism for a variety of things - it's not necessarily for genocide, in fact it often isn't. That's what I'm trying to say. I don't understand why you consider the two the same when they're really two very different things though there can be overlap.

It's not NECESSARILY genocide?

I'll bear that in mind when ISIS turns up to chop my head off.

Seriously. Think about it.

Terrorism.

Genocide.

So the Unibomber was conducting genocide? Timothy McVeigh? The Taliban?

ISIS trying to slaughter the Azidi's and other minorities may very well be conducting genocide (I think there have been war crimes and genocide charges levied). The Rwandan civil war was genocide, not terrorism.

The two can overlap but they are often two different things. Not all terrorism is genocide.

I don't "get" you.

PS - chopping your head off isn't "genocide". It's murder.