Who Are The Palestinians?

[theliq]

Well, I see you agree with MJ's proposition that 10,000 Palestinians be killed for every occupier killed. Who would of thought.

MORE RACIST LIES cos that was never said

This is what MJB wrote.


"If I were prime minister of Israel I would go much further. I would schedule a peace meeting with all known Hamas leaders, all expences paid by Israel at the finest resort in Tel Aviv including the finest of rooms, elegant dining & entertainment. The morning of the meeting I would first thank & welcome each & every one of them for attending. And then I would make an announcement that from now on, each time Hamas kills an Israeli, Israel will retaliate by killing 10,000 Palestinians. What other suggestions do you have to establish peace?"

Who Are The Palestinians Page 400 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Aw bless you Monte for reposting that for all to see. Are you saying you don't agree? Would that not produce a lasting peace between Israel & the Palestinians? Maybe you are right. After all it took Jordan around 20,000 dead Palestinians according to the PLO which resuted in establishing a lasting peace from Palestinians.

How many dead Christians and Muslims would satisfy your bloodlust, MJB? Maybe you feel that there are only a few thousand Christians that have to be killed by the Jews, it's alright.

How many mass murdered Jews would it take to satisfy yours, we know your fellow muslims have already massacred tens of thousands of Christians since 2010 so that gaza is Christian free.

TOTAL GARBAGE.....but ISRAEL has murdered over 100,000+ Palestinians in the past 60 odd years.......you are a total IGNORAMUS

 

[Mindful]

Some people are born without a brain.

WTF Nancy Pelosi Claimed That Hamas is a Humanitarian Organization JewTube.tv

 

[Challenger]

Carrying on with all this “book learnin’ stuff” that Phoney and his ilk can’t get their heads around, I found an interesting snippet from a book co-written by none other than David Ben-Gurion, and it pertinent to the OP:

“The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century. The Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural population they found in the country. They expelled only the alien Byzantine rulers, and did not touch the local population. Nor did the Arabs go in for settlement. Even in their former habitations, the Arabians did not engage in farming. They did not seek new lands on which to settle their peasantry, which hardly existed. Their whole interest in new countries was political, religious and material: to rule, to propagate Islam and to collect taxes.” –“Eretz Israel in the Past and in the Present” by D. Ben- Gurion & Y Ben-Zvi

 

[Phoenall]

the weak resort to vile name calling instead of making a good argument or presentation of facts

Well, I see you agree with MJ's proposition that 10,000 Palestinians be killed for every occupier killed. Who would of thought.

MORE RACIST LIES cos that was never said

This is what MJB wrote.


"If I were prime minister of Israel I would go much further. I would schedule a peace meeting with all known Hamas leaders, all expences paid by Israel at the finest resort in Tel Aviv including the finest of rooms, elegant dining & entertainment. The morning of the meeting I would first thank & welcome each & every one of them for attending. And then I would make an announcement that from now on, each time Hamas kills an Israeli, Israel will retaliate by killing 10,000 Palestinians. What other suggestions do you have to establish peace?"

Who Are The Palestinians Page 400 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

I would go further still and invite the leaders families over for an all expenses paid holiday in Israel, then arrest them for war crimes and throw then into the dirtiest most disgusting prison cells there were and tell the leaders that they will get them back one piece at a time for every attack on an Israeli....................

Well Young Phoney......it is only Israeli leaders that have ARREST WARRANTS IN BELGIUM AND SPAIN,for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY......and will be arrested if they enter these two countries........I will pay for them to fly there......then they can be sent to Den Hague....to explain there crimes..........If only but they won't go because they are Cowards....They have done the CRIME,now it's time to do the TIME..........H.I.M.theliq

Not that I don't believe you but how about a non partisan and up to date link to prove your claim. I know a Palestinian trouble causer instigated a private summons on a Jewish politician that the British government refused to action. Now the law in the UK has ben changed. No mention of the Hague in this type of summons, just local courts.

Is this another of your islamomoron propaganda posts ?

 

[Phoenall]

MORE RACIST LIES cos that was never said

This is what MJB wrote.


"If I were prime minister of Israel I would go much further. I would schedule a peace meeting with all known Hamas leaders, all expences paid by Israel at the finest resort in Tel Aviv including the finest of rooms, elegant dining & entertainment. The morning of the meeting I would first thank & welcome each & every one of them for attending. And then I would make an announcement that from now on, each time Hamas kills an Israeli, Israel will retaliate by killing 10,000 Palestinians. What other suggestions do you have to establish peace?"

Who Are The Palestinians Page 400 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Aw bless you Monte for reposting that for all to see. Are you saying you don't agree? Would that not produce a lasting peace between Israel & the Palestinians? Maybe you are right. After all it took Jordan around 20,000 dead Palestinians according to the PLO which resuted in establishing a lasting peace from Palestinians.

How many dead Christians and Muslims would satisfy your bloodlust, MJB? Maybe you feel that there are only a few thousand Christians that have to be killed by the Jews, it's alright.

How many mass murdered Jews would it take to satisfy yours, we know your fellow muslims have already massacred tens of thousands of Christians since 2010 so that gaza is Christian free.

TOTAL GARBAGE.....but ISRAEL has murdered over 100,000+ Palestinians in the past 60 odd years.......you are a total IGNORAMUS

LINKS ? and they must be non partisan and explicitly state murder ...........................

 

[Phoenall]

Carrying on with all this “book learnin’ stuff” that Phoney and his ilk can’t get their heads around, I found an interesting snippet from a book co-written by none other than David Ben-Gurion, and it pertinent to the OP:

“The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century. The Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural population they found in the country. They expelled only the alien Byzantine rulers, and did not touch the local population. Nor did the Arabs go in for settlement. Even in their former habitations, the Arabians did not engage in farming. They did not seek new lands on which to settle their peasantry, which hardly existed. Their whole interest in new countries was political, religious and material: to rule, to propagate Islam and to collect taxes.” –“Eretz Israel in the Past and in the Present” by D. Ben- Gurion & Y Ben-Zvi

Which is what we have said all along, and you have denied. Now why are you changing your tune ?

 

[MJB12741]

Well, I see you agree with MJ's proposition that 10,000 Palestinians be killed for every occupier killed. Who would of thought.

MORE RACIST LIES cos that was never said

This is what MJB wrote.


"If I were prime minister of Israel I would go much further. I would schedule a peace meeting with all known Hamas leaders, all expences paid by Israel at the finest resort in Tel Aviv including the finest of rooms, elegant dining & entertainment. The morning of the meeting I would first thank & welcome each & every one of them for attending. And then I would make an announcement that from now on, each time Hamas kills an Israeli, Israel will retaliate by killing 10,000 Palestinians. What other suggestions do you have to establish peace?"

Who Are The Palestinians Page 400 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

I would go further still and invite the leaders families over for an all expenses paid holiday in Israel, then arrest them for war crimes and throw then into the dirtiest most disgusting prison cells there were and tell the leaders that they will get them back one piece at a time for every attack on an Israeli....................

Of course you would, but wouldn't you have included the leaders among the 10,000 per occupier you and MJ want to kill?

I would not have the 10,000 killed just the leaders families piece by piece, giving the arab muslims a taste of their own medicine. You can almost see the hamas and fatah leaders rushing to disarm and destroy all the rockets so they could get their families back cant you. I expect the ends of the little fingers on the right hand from each hostage would be enough to show the terrorists that Israel means business. And not one innocent will be killed in the process.

For every terrorist leader you kill there are many eager to take their place. Only Jordan's Black September approach ever resulted in a lasting peace from Palestinians. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[aris2chat]

Carrying on with all this “book learnin’ stuff” that Phoney and his ilk can’t get their heads around, I found an interesting snippet from a book co-written by none other than David Ben-Gurion, and it pertinent to the OP:

“The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century. The Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural population they found in the country. They expelled only the alien Byzantine rulers, and did not touch the local population. Nor did the Arabs go in for settlement. Even in their former habitations, the Arabians did not engage in farming. They did not seek new lands on which to settle their peasantry, which hardly existed. Their whole interest in new countries was political, religious and material: to rule, to propagate Islam and to collect taxes.” –“Eretz Israel in the Past and in the Present” by D. Ben- Gurion & Y Ben-Zvi

Eretz Israel in the Past and in the Present, Jerusalem

Considering the book is in hebrew, are you sure the translation is a correct quote? It is referring to the 7th C. A lot changed between then and the end of the ottoman empire or even through the mandate.

Context is important. Dropping a quote into the middle of a discussion out of context, it change the argument and the facts 1200 yrs later.

 

[montelatici]

Carrying on with all this “book learnin’ stuff” that Phoney and his ilk can’t get their heads around, I found an interesting snippet from a book co-written by none other than David Ben-Gurion, and it pertinent to the OP:

“The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century. The Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural population they found in the country. They expelled only the alien Byzantine rulers, and did not touch the local population. Nor did the Arabs go in for settlement. Even in their former habitations, the Arabians did not engage in farming. They did not seek new lands on which to settle their peasantry, which hardly existed. Their whole interest in new countries was political, religious and material: to rule, to propagate Islam and to collect taxes.” –“Eretz Israel in the Past and in the Present” by D. Ben- Gurion & Y Ben-Zvi

Eretz Israel in the Past and in the Present, Jerusalem

Considering the book is in hebrew, are you sure the translation is a correct quote? It is referring to the 7th C. A lot changed between then and the end of the ottoman empire or even through the mandate.

Context is important. Dropping a quote into the middle of a discussion out of context, it change the argument and the facts 1200 yrs later.

If you understood English you would have understood that the "The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century." therefore, since he is stating that the "fellahin" are not descendants of the Arab conquerors of the 7th century he cannot be discussing the 7th century.

Ben Gurion is stating what every historian knows, the people of Palestine that the Europeans colonized, are the same people that have always lived their.. Converting from Christianity to Islam after the Arabs arrived does not change the people.

 

[Phoenall]

Carrying on with all this “book learnin’ stuff” that Phoney and his ilk can’t get their heads around, I found an interesting snippet from a book co-written by none other than David Ben-Gurion, and it pertinent to the OP:

“The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century. The Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural population they found in the country. They expelled only the alien Byzantine rulers, and did not touch the local population. Nor did the Arabs go in for settlement. Even in their former habitations, the Arabians did not engage in farming. They did not seek new lands on which to settle their peasantry, which hardly existed. Their whole interest in new countries was political, religious and material: to rule, to propagate Islam and to collect taxes.” –“Eretz Israel in the Past and in the Present” by D. Ben- Gurion & Y Ben-Zvi

Eretz Israel in the Past and in the Present, Jerusalem

Considering the book is in hebrew, are you sure the translation is a correct quote? It is referring to the 7th C. A lot changed between then and the end of the ottoman empire or even through the mandate.

Context is important. Dropping a quote into the middle of a discussion out of context, it change the argument and the facts 1200 yrs later.

If you understood English you would have understood that the "The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century." therefore, since he is stating that the "fellahin" are not descendants of the Arab conquerors of the 7th century he cannot be discussing the 7th century.

Ben Gurion is stating what every historian knows, the people of Palestine that the Europeans colonized, are the same people that have always lived their.. Converting from Christianity to Islam after the Arabs arrived does not change the people.

And yet you refuse to provide a non partisan link saying just this, why is this Abdul.

 

[montelatici]

Don't be mistaken its known to all, some just deliberately deny it because they fear the truth, can't admit they were wrong or just a racists trying to justify their primitive emotional perspectives.
Palestinians are just Arabs, particularly hostile and stupid.

It is the Israelis that fear the truth. The whole Israeli propaganda machine is designed to counter the propagation of the facts. Calling Palestinians "just Arabs. particularly hostile and stupid", doesn't change the fact that you people are a colonial project which is well past its sale date. Any people would be hostile after being treated as you Jews have treated the Palestinians. Evicting them from their land, holding millions in outdoor prisons and murdering thousands of their women and children every 2 years or so.

As far as "stupid" well, you are a racist p.o.s. what else can said about you.

 

[MJB12741]

Don't be mistaken its known to all, some just deliberately deny it because they fear the truth, can't admit they were wrong or just a racists trying to justify their primitive emotional perspectives.
Palestinians are just Arabs, particularly hostile and stupid.

It is the Israelis that fear the truth. The whole Israeli propaganda machine is designed to counter the propagation of the facts. Calling Palestinians "just Arabs. particularly hostile and stupid", doesn't change the fact that you people are a colonial project which is well past its sale date. Any people would be hostile after being treated as you Jews have treated the Palestinians. Evicting them from their land, holding millions in outdoor prisons and murdering thousands of their women and children every 2 years or so.

As far as "stupid" well, you are a racist p.o.s. what else can said about you.

OMG

 

[Phoenall]

Don't be mistaken its known to all, some just deliberately deny it because they fear the truth, can't admit they were wrong or just a racists trying to justify their primitive emotional perspectives.
Palestinians are just Arabs, particularly hostile and stupid.

It is the Israelis that fear the truth. The whole Israeli propaganda machine is designed to counter the propagation of the facts. Calling Palestinians "just Arabs. particularly hostile and stupid", doesn't change the fact that you people are a colonial project which is well past its sale date. Any people would be hostile after being treated as you Jews have treated the Palestinians. Evicting them from their land, holding millions in outdoor prisons and murdering thousands of their women and children every 2 years or so.

As far as "stupid" well, you are a racist p.o.s. what else can said about you.

The truth is Israel is here to stay and the arab musilims are too stupid to realise this. Yes the arab muslims are stupid and extremely hostile to the point of getting themselves killed in their thousands. Still waiting for your link to the evidence that Israel was a colonial project, because it took a hell of a lot of years to get it going and of the ground. You have just described exactly what the arab muslims have done to the Jews and Christians over the last 1400 years. Why as recently as 1949 the arab muslim Palestinians evicted by force Jews from Jerusalem and the west bank stealing their homes, property and valuables. So where is the proof of these murders then Abdul, show the evidence that would stand up in court that the Israelis murder 1000's of women and children every 2 years. That means the deaths were all pre meditated and the individuals picked out beforehand by the Israelis. Killing terrorists and militia is not murder by the way it is one of the less savoury facts of war.

NOW STOP SPREADING YOUR RACIST LIES

 

[Phoenall]

Don't be mistaken its known to all, some just deliberately deny it because they fear the truth, can't admit they were wrong or just a racists trying to justify their primitive emotional perspectives.
Palestinians are just Arabs, particularly hostile and stupid.

It is the Israelis that fear the truth. The whole Israeli propaganda machine is designed to counter the propagation of the facts. Calling Palestinians "just Arabs. particularly hostile and stupid", doesn't change the fact that you people are a colonial project which is well past its sale date. Any people would be hostile after being treated as you Jews have treated the Palestinians. Evicting them from their land, holding millions in outdoor prisons and murdering thousands of their women and children every 2 years or so.

As far as "stupid" well, you are a racist p.o.s. what else can said about you.

OMG

He's an imbecile and it shows in his every post

 

[toastman]

Don't be mistaken its known to all, some just deliberately deny it because they fear the truth, can't admit they were wrong or just a racists trying to justify their primitive emotional perspectives.
Palestinians are just Arabs, particularly hostile and stupid.

It is the Israelis that fear the truth. The whole Israeli propaganda machine is designed to counter the propagation of the facts. Calling Palestinians "just Arabs. particularly hostile and stupid", doesn't change the fact that you people are a colonial project which is well past its sale date. Any people would be hostile after being treated as you Jews have treated the Palestinians. Evicting them from their land, holding millions in outdoor prisons and murdering thousands of their women and children every 2 years or so.

As far as "stupid" well, you are a racist p.o.s. what else can said about you.

Actually he was spot on. Prop Palestinians hate the truth and are terrified by it. That is evident in their posts here.

So many times when the truth is presented to them, they will try and make it seem untrue, or they will change the subject. The reason for this being that the truth is not part of the pro Palestinian agenda.

"doesn't change the fact that you people are a colonial project which is well past its sale date"

The term 'colonial project' is part of your propaganda campaign Monti.

 

[theliq]

Carrying on with all this “book learnin’ stuff” that Phoney and his ilk can’t get their heads around, I found an interesting snippet from a book co-written by none other than David Ben-Gurion, and it pertinent to the OP:

“The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century. The Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural population they found in the country. They expelled only the alien Byzantine rulers, and did not touch the local population. Nor did the Arabs go in for settlement. Even in their former habitations, the Arabians did not engage in farming. They did not seek new lands on which to settle their peasantry, which hardly existed. Their whole interest in new countries was political, religious and material: to rule, to propagate Islam and to collect taxes.” –“Eretz Israel in the Past and in the Present” by D. Ben- Gurion & Y Ben-Zvi

Eretz Israel in the Past and in the Present, Jerusalem

Considering the book is in hebrew, are you sure the translation is a correct quote? It is referring to the 7th C. A lot changed between then and the end of the ottoman empire or even through the mandate.

Context is important. Dropping a quote into the middle of a discussion out of context, it change the argument and the facts 1200 yrs later.

If you understood English you would have understood that the "The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century." therefore, since he is stating that the "fellahin" are not descendants of the Arab conquerors of the 7th century he cannot be discussing the 7th century.

Ben Gurion is stating what every historian knows, the people of Palestine that the Europeans colonized, are the same people that have always lived their.. Converting from Christianity to Islam after the Arabs arrived does not change the people.

And yet you refuse to provide a non partisan link saying just this, why is this Abdul.

Monti,he is always asking for links I have already given.......he knows the truth but by somehow asking for links will change the truth and facts......The lazy SOD can find the links but he's too ashamed or too thick.......you seen that post of his where he STATES,NAZIS WERE COMMUNISTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!fcuk how can you deal with (I'm not going to call him a lair because I really believe he believes this nonsense) the man..........it just undermines the rest of this commentary.......Monti keep up your Excellent incisive posts..Respect Steve

 

[theliq]

Well, I see you agree with MJ's proposition that 10,000 Palestinians be killed for every occupier killed. Who would of thought.

MORE RACIST LIES cos that was never said

This is what MJB wrote.


"If I were prime minister of Israel I would go much further. I would schedule a peace meeting with all known Hamas leaders, all expences paid by Israel at the finest resort in Tel Aviv including the finest of rooms, elegant dining & entertainment. The morning of the meeting I would first thank & welcome each & every one of them for attending. And then I would make an announcement that from now on, each time Hamas kills an Israeli, Israel will retaliate by killing 10,000 Palestinians. What other suggestions do you have to establish peace?"

Who Are The Palestinians Page 400 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

I would go further still and invite the leaders families over for an all expenses paid holiday in Israel, then arrest them for war crimes and throw then into the dirtiest most disgusting prison cells there were and tell the leaders that they will get them back one piece at a time for every attack on an Israeli....................

Well Young Phoney......it is only Israeli leaders that have ARREST WARRANTS IN BELGIUM AND SPAIN,for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY......and will be arrested if they enter these two countries........I will pay for them to fly there......then they can be sent to Den Hague....to explain there crimes..........If only but they won't go because they are Cowards....They have done the CRIME,now it's time to do the TIME..........H.I.M.theliq

Not that I don't believe you but how about a non partisan and up to date link to prove your claim. I know a Palestinian trouble causer instigated a private summons on a Jewish politician that the British government refused to action. Now the law in the UK has ben changed. No mention of the Hague in this type of summons, just local courts.

Is this another of your islamomoron propaganda posts ?

Supporting a Palestine and an Israel.......in no way makes me any sort of Moron,neither ISLAM or anything else.....you Cretin

 

[Challenger]

Carrying on with all this “book learnin’ stuff” that Phoney and his ilk can’t get their heads around, I found an interesting snippet from a book co-written by none other than David Ben-Gurion, and it pertinent to the OP:

“The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century. The Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural population they found in the country. They expelled only the alien Byzantine rulers, and did not touch the local population. Nor did the Arabs go in for settlement. Even in their former habitations, the Arabians did not engage in farming. They did not seek new lands on which to settle their peasantry, which hardly existed. Their whole interest in new countries was political, religious and material: to rule, to propagate Islam and to collect taxes.” –“Eretz Israel in the Past and in the Present” by D. Ben- Gurion & Y Ben-Zvi

Which is what we have said all along, and you have denied. Now why are you changing your tune ?

I'm not changing anything, I've always asserted that the rural native population has always been there, they just changed their religion, depending who was in charge. The irony is that European converts to Judaism drove out the original Jewish population who had converted to Islam, in order to create a "state" that probably never existed, except in the minds of a few monotheist fanatics.

 

[Challenger]

Don't be mistaken its known to all, some just deliberately deny it because they fear the truth, can't admit they were wrong or just a racists trying to justify their primitive emotional perspectives.
Palestinians are just Arabs, particularly hostile and stupid.

It is the Israelis that fear the truth. The whole Israeli propaganda machine is designed to counter the propagation of the facts. Calling Palestinians "just Arabs. particularly hostile and stupid", doesn't change the fact that you people are a colonial project which is well past its sale date. Any people would be hostile after being treated as you Jews have treated the Palestinians. Evicting them from their land, holding millions in outdoor prisons and murdering thousands of their women and children every 2 years or so.

As far as "stupid" well, you are a racist p.o.s. what else can said about you.

OMG

He's an imbecile and it shows in his every post

No, Phoney, that's YOU! Are you getting confused again?

 

[Phoenall]

Carrying on with all this “book learnin’ stuff” that Phoney and his ilk can’t get their heads around, I found an interesting snippet from a book co-written by none other than David Ben-Gurion, and it pertinent to the OP:

“The fellahin are not descendants of the Arab conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel and Syria in the seventh century. The Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural population they found in the country. They expelled only the alien Byzantine rulers, and did not touch the local population. Nor did the Arabs go in for settlement. Even in their former habitations, the Arabians did not engage in farming. They did not seek new lands on which to settle their peasantry, which hardly existed. Their whole interest in new countries was political, religious and material: to rule, to propagate Islam and to collect taxes.” –“Eretz Israel in the Past and in the Present” by D. Ben- Gurion & Y Ben-Zvi

Which is what we have said all along, and you have denied. Now why are you changing your tune ?

I'm not changing anything, I've always asserted that the rural native population has always been there, they just changed their religion, depending who was in charge. The irony is that European converts to Judaism drove out the original Jewish population who had converted to Islam, in order to create a "state" that probably never existed, except in the minds of a few monotheist fanatics.

The original rural native population were very few in number, some changed their religion the majority didn't. The Jews were represented in the native population and were oppressed and abused by the arab muslims. Then the Ottomans tried to seed the land with arab muslims to increase the population but the arab muslims just kept going back home. Then the Ottomans invited European Jews to migrate and work the land and this led to the introduction of European farming practise that increased the crop yields. The arab muslims who had originally been sent to Palestine then returned and worked the land in the European way, and had it all planned to take the land of the Jews once they had made enough of it fertile. WW1 came and spoilt all their plans so they tried another tack and flooded the area with illegal immigrants to force the issues by claiming they were indigenous and had been there all the time.

Now were is your substantive evidence that the European Jews were all converts, bearing in mind that they have been DNA tested and shown the same genetics as the indigenous Jews.