Who Are The Palestinians?

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You keep saying that, but it doesn't make it true or even relatively accurate.

What about it ?

Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan, the same way the so called Palestinians did so.
If that's stealing, then why did the U.N recognize Israel and make them a full member one year later?

Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,...​

No it didn't.

(COMMENT)

The reference to the Partition Plan is totally evident. What change the distribution was the loss of territory after the Armistice. All things being equal, if the Arab Armies had not intervened on 15 May 1948, the Map of Israel would have looked very similar to that of Annex "A" - Plan of Partition with Economic Union. What made the difference after the Armistice with the Arab Aggressors, was the movement of the Forward Edge of the Battle Area that came to outline the general shape of the Armistice lines and areas of control.

Most Respectfully,
R

The reference to the Partition Plan is totally evident.​

That's bogus. When the foreigners declared Israel's independence inside Palestine they had already pushed deep into Arab allotted territory and was expelling Palestinians from the "international city" of Jerusalem.

Israel never had any intention of complying with anything 181. They only mentioned resolution 181 to pretend to have legitimacy.

And who ended up stealing Jerusalem and annexing it. Then evicting the Jews by force against the Mandate rules and the UN charter. By the way it was the arab muslims that started the violence in 1946, the Jews just responded in kind and beat them into the ground.

The Zionists gave the West Bank to Jordan. So where is the beef?

Now THAT'S funny. Tell us more about "the Zionists gave the West Bank to Jordan."

 

[montelatici]

European settlers versus the local indigenous people is not a civil war. It is an invasion by Europeans. It would be like calling the Boer Zulu war of the early 1800s a civil war.

The only invasion was by the arab muslim illegal immigrants.

The Jews came from all over the world at the request of the Ottoman rulers and then the LoN rulers.

By the way the Europeans are now calling the influx of muslims an ARMED INVASION and are gearing up for civil war against the muslims.

Between 1920 and 1946 the only immigration legal or otherwise, of any consequence was the European immigration to Palestine, as reported by the UN.

Which was shown to be wrong in your own link that you used to prove it. It showed that of 1500 illegal immigrants less than 500 where Jewish. So two thirds were arab muslim in that case and you lost the argument

You do know what means don't you RACIST LIAR that for every legal Jewish immigrant 2 illegal arab muslim immigrants entered Palestine that the British knew about.

You just make things up. Here are the facts per:

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1

b)IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

A 364 of 3 September 1947

So what about the part that deals with illegal immigration and gives numbers ?

That is all immigration, legal and illegal.

"16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths."

A 364 of 3 September 1947

 

[Kondor3]

...The Zionists gave the West Bank to Jordan. So where is the beef?

No beef.

The dumbass Jordanians chose to attack the Jews again in 1967, after Israel pleaded with them not to.

Then they go their asses kicked by the Jews, and lost it again.

When ya start fights, then lose, you pay a price.

Jordan paid with the West Bank for its stupidity in 1967.

Vae victus.

 

[montelatici]

...The Zionists gave the West Bank to Jordan. So where is the beef?

No beef.

The dumbass Jordanians chose to attack the Jews again in 1967, after Israel pleaded with them not to.

Then they go their asses kicked by the Jews, and lost it again.

When ya start fights, then lose, you pay a price.

Jordan paid with the West Bank for its stupidity in 1967.

Vae victus.

But it was Israel that attacked in the 1967 War. Israel started the fight. Why do you post nonsense?

"Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis— contrary to their claims—had fired first.) "

CIA Analysis of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War Central Intelligence Agency

 

[MJB12741]

...The Zionists gave the West Bank to Jordan. So where is the beef?

No beef.

The dumbass Jordanians chose to attack the Jews again in 1967, after Israel pleaded with them not to.

Then they go their asses kicked by the Jews, and lost it again.

When ya start fights, then lose, you pay a price.

Jordan paid with the West Bank for its stupidity in 1967.

Vae victus.

But it was Israel that attacked in the 1967 War. Israel started the fight. Why do you post nonsense?

"Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis— contrary to their claims—had fired first.) "

CIA Analysis of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War Central Intelligence Agency

Yes you see, Israel paid 5 surrounding Arab countries to pretend a united Arab attack at five different positions. I'll bet those Zionists never knew that, right Monte?

 

[Kondor3]

...The Zionists gave the West Bank to Jordan. So where is the beef?

No beef.

The dumbass Jordanians chose to attack the Jews again in 1967, after Israel pleaded with them not to.

Then they go their asses kicked by the Jews, and lost it again.

When ya start fights, then lose, you pay a price.

Jordan paid with the West Bank for its stupidity in 1967.

Vae victus.

But it was Israel that attacked in the 1967 War. Israel started the fight. Why do you post nonsense?

"Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis— contrary to their claims—had fired first.) "

CIA Analysis of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War Central Intelligence Agency

When neighboring Arab nations mobilize their militaries and forward-deploy alongside their borders with Israel and then close shipping canals to Israeli traffic and publicly declare that their mobilizations are designed to destroy the State of Israel...

Then Israel gets rocks thrown at it, for preemptive strikes, designed to take-out as many of those forward-deployed units and airfields as possible, before they can do the damage that their political leadership can act upon their public declarations of hostilities?

Uhhhhhh... yeah... sure...

Don't want to get the crap kicked out of ya?

Don't mobilize.

Don't forward-deploy.

Don't cut-off commercial navigation right-of-ways.

Don't publicly declare that you're going to destroy your adversary.

Not too bright, these Muslim-Arab leaders, are they?

 

[montelatici]

Israel mobilized first and threatened first. And, attacked. I don't see your point. Israel today cuts off commercial navigation and right of way to Palestinian traffic. They also board attack ships bringing aid to Gaza. You are truly a tool. A condor is just a big vulture.

 

[montelatici]

...The Zionists gave the West Bank to Jordan. So where is the beef?

No beef.

The dumbass Jordanians chose to attack the Jews again in 1967, after Israel pleaded with them not to.

Then they go their asses kicked by the Jews, and lost it again.

When ya start fights, then lose, you pay a price.

Jordan paid with the West Bank for its stupidity in 1967.

Vae victus.

But it was Israel that attacked in the 1967 War. Israel started the fight. Why do you post nonsense?

"Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis— contrary to their claims—had fired first.) "

CIA Analysis of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War Central Intelligence Agency

Yes you see, Israel paid 5 surrounding Arab countries to pretend a united Arab attack at five different positions. I'll bet those Zionists never knew that, right Monte?

There was no attack by the Arab countries. Israel attacked. Are you able to read?

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, P F Timore, et al,

Don't you think that this is a bit of over simplification.

...The Zionists gave the West Bank to Jordan. So where is the beef?

No beef.

The dumbass Jordanians chose to attack the Jews again in 1967, after Israel pleaded with them not to.

Then they go their asses kicked by the Jews, and lost it again.

When ya start fights, then lose, you pay a price.

Jordan paid with the West Bank for its stupidity in 1967.

Vae victus.

But it was Israel that attacked in the 1967 War. Israel started the fight. Why do you post nonsense?

"Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis— contrary to their claims—had fired first.) "

CIA Analysis of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War Central Intelligence Agency

(COMMENT)

There were probably three central cause that provoked Israel into the preemptive strike.

Egypt ordered the United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF) to completely withdraw --- quickly from their buffer positions in the Sinai.

5. 2000 hours GMT (2200 hours, Gaza local time). A message from General Fawzy, Chief of Staff of the United Arab Republic Armed Forces, was received by the Commander of UNEF, Major-General Rikhye, requesting withdrawal of "all UN troops which install observation posts along our borders". Brigadier Mokhtar, who handed General Fawzy's letter to the Commander of UNEF, told General Rikhye at the time that he must order the immediate withdrawal of United Nations troops from El Sabha and Sharm el Sheikh on the night of 16 May since United Arab Republic armed forces must gain control of these two places that very night.​

The decision of the Government of the United Arab Republic to restrict Israeli shipping in the Strait of Tiran, and the nationalization of the Straits. The United Arab Republic (UAR --- AKA Egypt) considered the Straits to be Egyptian territorial waters.

The size of the UAR Force moving into close proximity of Israeli Forces in late May, or early June.

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First, the CIA OPCEN Call to Director Helms was "raw intel" at that moment. The CIA had no real boots on the ground to tell which side fired first; although it probably was the IDF on the Egyptian build-up. It would appear that early on 5 June, the Israeli Air Forces preemptively engaged and destroyed Egypt’s air force on the ground; and later that day, struck Jordanian and Syrian air assets as well.

9. During my (UN Secretary-General) stay in Cairo I had discussions with President Gamal Abdel Nasser and Mr. Mahmoud Riad, the Minister of Foreign Affairs. They explained to me the position of the Government of the United Arab Republic, which is substantially as set forth in the speech given by President Nasser to the United Arab Republic Air Force Advance Command on 22 May 1967 which has been reported fully in the Press. President Nasser and Foreign Minister Riad assured me that the United Arab Republic would not initiate offensive action against Israel. Their general aim, as stated to me, was for a return to the conditions prevailing prior to 1956 and to full observance by both parties of the provisions of the General Armistice Agreement between Egypt and Israel.

10. The decision of the Government of the United Arab Republic to restrict shipping in the Strait of Tiran, of which I learned while en route to Cairo, has created a new situation. Free passage through the Strait is one of the questions which the Government of Israel considers most vital to her interests. The position of the Government of the United Arab Republic is that the Strait is territorial waters in which it has a right to control shipping. The Government of Israel contests this position and asserts the right of innocent passage through the Strait. The Government of Israel has further declared that Israel will regard the closing of the Strait of Tiran to Israel flag ships and any restriction on cargoes of ships of other flags proceeding to Israel as a casus belli. While in Cairo, I called to the attention of the Government of the United Arab Republic the dangerous consequences which could ensue from restricting innocent passage of ships in the Strait of Tiran. I expressed my deep concern in this regard and my hope that no precipitate action would be taken.

29. On the afternoon of 22 May, the Secretary-General departed from New York, arriving in Cairo on the afternoon of 23 May. He left Cairo on the afternoon of 25 May, arriving back in New York on 26 May. While en route to Cairo during a stop in Paris, the Secretary-General learned that on this day President Nasser had announced his intention to reinstitute the blockade against Israel in the Strait of Tiran.

36. It has been said that the decision to withdraw UNEF precipitated other consequences such as the reinstitution of the blockade against Israel in the Strait of Tiran. As can be seen from the chronology, the UNEF positions at Sharm el Sheikh on the Strait of Tiran (manned by thirty-two men in all) were in fact rendered ineffective by United Arab Republic troops before the request for withdrawal was received. It is also pertinent to note that in response to a query from the Secretary-General as to why the United Arab Republic had announced its reinstitution of the blockade in the Strait of Tiran while the Secretary-General was actually en route to Cairo on 22 May, President Nasser explained that his Government's decision to resume the blockade had been taken some time before U Thant's departure and it was considered preferable to make the announcement before rather than after the Secretary-General's visit to Cairo. Report of the Secretary-General on the withdrawal of the United Nations Emergency Force
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The question becomes, much like the situation in Crimea, when the Russians rapidly moved and deployed forces in support of the annexation. So it is that had the guarantors (US/UK) of Ukrainian Integrity reacted more preemptively, they might have persuaded the Russian to back away. When is it better to preemptively intervene then allow a huge threatening force in the border to stage for an assault? That is what Israel had to decide.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

...The Zionists gave the West Bank to Jordan. So where is the beef?

No beef.

The dumbass Jordanians chose to attack the Jews again in 1967, after Israel pleaded with them not to.

Then they go their asses kicked by the Jews, and lost it again.

When ya start fights, then lose, you pay a price.

Jordan paid with the West Bank for its stupidity in 1967.

Vae victus.

But it was Israel that attacked in the 1967 War. Israel started the fight. Why do you post nonsense?

"Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis— contrary to their claims—had fired first.) "

CIA Analysis of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War Central Intelligence Agency

 

[MJB12741]

...The Zionists gave the West Bank to Jordan. So where is the beef?

No beef.

The dumbass Jordanians chose to attack the Jews again in 1967, after Israel pleaded with them not to.

Then they go their asses kicked by the Jews, and lost it again.

When ya start fights, then lose, you pay a price.

Jordan paid with the West Bank for its stupidity in 1967.

Vae victus.

But it was Israel that attacked in the 1967 War. Israel started the fight. Why do you post nonsense?

"Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis— contrary to their claims—had fired first.) "

CIA Analysis of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War Central Intelligence Agency

Yes you see, Israel paid 5 surrounding Arab countries to pretend a united Arab attack at five different positions. I'll bet those Zionists never knew that, right Monte?

There was no attack by the Arab countries. Israel attacked. Are you able to read?

...The Zionists gave the West Bank to Jordan. So where is the beef?

No beef.

The dumbass Jordanians chose to attack the Jews again in 1967, after Israel pleaded with them not to.

Then they go their asses kicked by the Jews, and lost it again.

When ya start fights, then lose, you pay a price.

Jordan paid with the West Bank for its stupidity in 1967.

Vae victus.

But it was Israel that attacked in the 1967 War. Israel started the fight. Why do you post nonsense?

"Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis— contrary to their claims—had fired first.) "

CIA Analysis of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War Central Intelligence Agency

Yes you see, Israel paid 5 surrounding Arab countries to pretend a united Arab attack at five different positions. I'll bet those Zionists never knew that, right Monte?

There was no attack by the Arab countries. Israel attacked. Are you able to read?

Oh now I get it. You see, Israel flew into 5 Arab countries to attack innocent, peace loving civilians well within their borders. Amazing what we can learn from Monte. Please excuse me while I go tell my neighbors.

 

[Kondor3]

Israel mobilized first and threatened first...

Incorrect.

From the Encylopedia Britannica...

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...on May 14, 1967, Nasser mobilized Egyptian forces in the Sinai; on May 18 he formally requested the removal of the UNEF stationed there; and on May 22 he closed the Gulf of Aqaba to Israeli shipping, thus instituting an effective blockade of the port city of Elat in southern Israel. On May 30, King Ḥussein of Jordan arrived in Cairo to sign a mutual defense pact with Egypt, placing Jordanian forces under Egyptian command; shortly thereafter, Iraq too joined the alliance.

In response to the apparent mobilization of its Arab neighbours, early on the morning of June 5, Israel staged a sudden preemptive air assault and destroyed Egypt’s air force on the ground; later that day, it incapacitated a great deal of the Jordanian and Syrian air power as well...

Six-Day War Middle East 1967 Encyclopedia Britannica

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Next contestant, please.

 

[Kondor3]

...The Zionists gave the West Bank to Jordan. So where is the beef?

No beef.

The dumbass Jordanians chose to attack the Jews again in 1967, after Israel pleaded with them not to.

Then they go their asses kicked by the Jews, and lost it again.

When ya start fights, then lose, you pay a price.

Jordan paid with the West Bank for its stupidity in 1967.

Vae victus.

But it was Israel that attacked in the 1967 War. Israel started the fight. Why do you post nonsense?

"Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis— contrary to their claims—had fired first.) "

CIA Analysis of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War Central Intelligence Agency

Yes you see, Israel paid 5 surrounding Arab countries to pretend a united Arab attack at five different positions. I'll bet those Zionists never knew that, right Monte?

There was no attack by the Arab countries. Israel attacked. Are you able to read?

The neighboring Arab countries mobilized first and closed local shipping lanes to Israeli traffic and publicly allied and declared themselves ready to launch an existential strike against Israel.

And then the pissant Arabs complain when the Israelis smack the shit out of them in a provoked preemptive strike to take out their air assets.

Tough shit.

Phukk 'em.

They got what they asked for.

 

[toastman]

...The Zionists gave the West Bank to Jordan. So where is the beef?

No beef.

The dumbass Jordanians chose to attack the Jews again in 1967, after Israel pleaded with them not to.

Then they go their asses kicked by the Jews, and lost it again.

When ya start fights, then lose, you pay a price.

Jordan paid with the West Bank for its stupidity in 1967.

Vae victus.

But it was Israel that attacked in the 1967 War. Israel started the fight. Why do you post nonsense?

"Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis— contrary to their claims—had fired first.) "

CIA Analysis of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War Central Intelligence Agency

Yes you see, Israel paid 5 surrounding Arab countries to pretend a united Arab attack at five different positions. I'll bet those Zionists never knew that, right Monte?

There was no attack by the Arab countries. Israel attacked. Are you able to read?

Go do some research on the term 'pre emptive strike' liar. Israel had every reason to believe that Egypt was planning an attack on them.

Egypt mobilized forces by the Israeli border. They expelled peacekeeping forces that were placed there following the Suez Crisis. Egypt also closed the Strait of Tiran , which Israel said beforehand would be considered an act of war.
Why should Israel have waited until Egypt was going to attack them ??

 

[Agit8r]

The aristocracy of Judah was taken into exile. The remainder, as well as the inhabitants of the Kingdom of Israel have a genetic heritage that continue today among various peoples of the region, including among the Palestinians:

Genetic studies of Jewish origins - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

The aristocracy of Judah was taken into exile. The remainder, as well as the inhabitants of the Kingdom of Israel have a genetic heritage that continue today among various peoples of the region, including among the Palestinians:

Genetic studies of Jewish origins - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Where in the Bible were the Israelites called Jews.

Just curious.

 

[Agit8r]

The aristocracy of Judah was taken into exile. The remainder, as well as the inhabitants of the Kingdom of Israel have a genetic heritage that continue today among various peoples of the region, including among the Palestinians:

Genetic studies of Jewish origins - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Where in the Bible were the Israelites called Jews.

Just curious.

In the New Testament. I'm not talking about the Bible though. I'm talking about the common ancestry of the Israeli people and their neighbors.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The aristocracy of Judah was taken into exile. The remainder, as well as the inhabitants of the Kingdom of Israel have a genetic heritage that continue today among various peoples of the region, including among the Palestinians:

Genetic studies of Jewish origins - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Where in the Bible were the Israelites called Jews.

Just curious.

In the New Testament. I'm not talking about the Bible though. I'm talking about the common ancestry of the Israeli people and their neighbors.

IOW, the Israelites were not called Jews in the Bible.

 

[MJB12741]

The aristocracy of Judah was taken into exile. The remainder, as well as the inhabitants of the Kingdom of Israel have a genetic heritage that continue today among various peoples of the region, including among the Palestinians:

Genetic studies of Jewish origins - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Where in the Bible were the Israelites called Jews.

Just curious.

In the New Testament. I'm not talking about the Bible though. I'm talking about the common ancestry of the Israeli people and their neighbors.

IOW, the Israelites were not called Jews in the Bible.

Call them whatever you prefer. Doesn't change the undiniable fact the Bible was first written in HEBREW. Golly gee Tinmore, who's language is Hebrew?

 

[toastman]

The aristocracy of Judah was taken into exile. The remainder, as well as the inhabitants of the Kingdom of Israel have a genetic heritage that continue today among various peoples of the region, including among the Palestinians:

Genetic studies of Jewish origins - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Where in the Bible were the Israelites called Jews.

Just curious.

In the New Testament. I'm not talking about the Bible though. I'm talking about the common ancestry of the Israeli people and their neighbors.

IOW, the Israelites were not called Jews in the Bible.

Israelites - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

It may or may not say so in the bible, but Israelites are Jews.