Who Are The Palestinians?

[toastman]

Why is it that you are asking me this question, when you have asked Rocco the same one countless times, followed by him proving it is correct?

He has?

Got a link?

Many times. But as usual, you refuse to accept the truth. But just because you refuse, doesn't make the claim false.
Kind of how we proved you wrong about Palestine using 181 as a basis to declare independence.

The problem is, you only believe the propaganda. There were lots of people living in Palestine that were Christian and Muslim. The Europeans, who happened to be Jews, went there and expelled those people who had been living there for many generations. You just can't accept that basic fact. Why is that?

We're talking about how Israel declared independence.

Oh, and you can't accept that Arabs attacking Israel, with the help of Palestinian militias, was the main cause for the Palestinian getting expelled, just as they had tried to expell the Israelis. The problem with you is that you refuse to accept the truth, as we have seen many times.
You're allergic to the truth, you hate it . You call the truth 'propaganda'.
But you need to remember that even though you refuse to believe the truth, it won't make it go away. Of course, a brainwashed person like you wouldn't understand that . .
Stop lying and stop posting propaganda already, and then maybe more people will take you seriously

Who cares? The Europeans went to Palestine and evicted the people (Christians and Muslims) who lived there. That is a fact. None of your bullshit can change that fact.

"Who cares"

Ya I know you don't care about the truth, just like Tinmore. You guys make a good propaganda team.

 

[P F Tinmore]

He has?

Got a link?

Many times. But as usual, you refuse to accept the truth. But just because you refuse, doesn't make the claim false.
Kind of how we proved you wrong about Palestine using 181 as a basis to declare independence.

The problem is, you only believe the propaganda. There were lots of people living in Palestine that were Christian and Muslim. The Europeans, who happened to be Jews, went there and expelled those people who had been living there for many generations. You just can't accept that basic fact. Why is that?

We're talking about how Israel declared independence.

Oh, and you can't accept that Arabs attacking Israel, with the help of Palestinian militias, was the main cause for the Palestinian getting expelled, just as they had tried to expell the Israelis. The problem with you is that you refuse to accept the truth, as we have seen many times.
You're allergic to the truth, you hate it . You call the truth 'propaganda'.
But you need to remember that even though you refuse to believe the truth, it won't make it go away. Of course, a brainwashed person like you wouldn't understand that . .
Stop lying and stop posting propaganda already, and then maybe more people will take you seriously

Who cares? The Europeans went to Palestine and evicted the people (Christians and Muslims) who lived there. That is a fact. None of your bullshit can change that fact.

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British, and were attacked by 5 Arab armies and Palestinian militias after doing so. Yet you keep ignoring this vital fact because the real truth is not part of your agenda.
Keep up the propaganda Monti !!

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British,...​

Not!

 

[toastman]

Many times. But as usual, you refuse to accept the truth. But just because you refuse, doesn't make the claim false.
Kind of how we proved you wrong about Palestine using 181 as a basis to declare independence.

The problem is, you only believe the propaganda. There were lots of people living in Palestine that were Christian and Muslim. The Europeans, who happened to be Jews, went there and expelled those people who had been living there for many generations. You just can't accept that basic fact. Why is that?

We're talking about how Israel declared independence.

Oh, and you can't accept that Arabs attacking Israel, with the help of Palestinian militias, was the main cause for the Palestinian getting expelled, just as they had tried to expell the Israelis. The problem with you is that you refuse to accept the truth, as we have seen many times.
You're allergic to the truth, you hate it . You call the truth 'propaganda'.
But you need to remember that even though you refuse to believe the truth, it won't make it go away. Of course, a brainwashed person like you wouldn't understand that . .
Stop lying and stop posting propaganda already, and then maybe more people will take you seriously

Who cares? The Europeans went to Palestine and evicted the people (Christians and Muslims) who lived there. That is a fact. None of your bullshit can change that fact.

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British, and were attacked by 5 Arab armies and Palestinian militias after doing so. Yet you keep ignoring this vital fact because the real truth is not part of your agenda.
Keep up the propaganda Monti !!

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British,...​

Not!

Yup ! Call it a Jewish homeland if you want, but that was their intention.

 

[montelatici]

He has?

Got a link?

Many times. But as usual, you refuse to accept the truth. But just because you refuse, doesn't make the claim false.
Kind of how we proved you wrong about Palestine using 181 as a basis to declare independence.

The problem is, you only believe the propaganda. There were lots of people living in Palestine that were Christian and Muslim. The Europeans, who happened to be Jews, went there and expelled those people who had been living there for many generations. You just can't accept that basic fact. Why is that?

We're talking about how Israel declared independence.

Oh, and you can't accept that Arabs attacking Israel, with the help of Palestinian militias, was the main cause for the Palestinian getting expelled, just as they had tried to expell the Israelis. The problem with you is that you refuse to accept the truth, as we have seen many times.
You're allergic to the truth, you hate it . You call the truth 'propaganda'.
But you need to remember that even though you refuse to believe the truth, it won't make it go away. Of course, a brainwashed person like you wouldn't understand that . .
Stop lying and stop posting propaganda already, and then maybe more people will take you seriously

Who cares? The Europeans went to Palestine and evicted the people (Christians and Muslims) who lived there. That is a fact. None of your bullshit can change that fact.

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British, and were attacked by 5 Arab armies and Palestinian militias after doing so. Yet you keep ignoring this vital fact because the real truth is not part of your agenda.
Keep up the propaganda Monti !!

How could the British, a colonial power, decide to remove the local people to make room for other Europeans? How can you justify taking the land away from the people that were living there. Can't you understand how absurd your position is?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The problem is, you only believe the propaganda. There were lots of people living in Palestine that were Christian and Muslim. The Europeans, who happened to be Jews, went there and expelled those people who had been living there for many generations. You just can't accept that basic fact. Why is that?

We're talking about how Israel declared independence.

Oh, and you can't accept that Arabs attacking Israel, with the help of Palestinian militias, was the main cause for the Palestinian getting expelled, just as they had tried to expell the Israelis. The problem with you is that you refuse to accept the truth, as we have seen many times.
You're allergic to the truth, you hate it . You call the truth 'propaganda'.
But you need to remember that even though you refuse to believe the truth, it won't make it go away. Of course, a brainwashed person like you wouldn't understand that . .
Stop lying and stop posting propaganda already, and then maybe more people will take you seriously

Who cares? The Europeans went to Palestine and evicted the people (Christians and Muslims) who lived there. That is a fact. None of your bullshit can change that fact.

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British, and were attacked by 5 Arab armies and Palestinian militias after doing so. Yet you keep ignoring this vital fact because the real truth is not part of your agenda.
Keep up the propaganda Monti !!

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British,...​

Not!

Yup ! Call it a Jewish homeland if you want, but that was their intention.

Song and dance.

When did Britain promise a state?

 

[toastman]

Many times. But as usual, you refuse to accept the truth. But just because you refuse, doesn't make the claim false.
Kind of how we proved you wrong about Palestine using 181 as a basis to declare independence.

The problem is, you only believe the propaganda. There were lots of people living in Palestine that were Christian and Muslim. The Europeans, who happened to be Jews, went there and expelled those people who had been living there for many generations. You just can't accept that basic fact. Why is that?

We're talking about how Israel declared independence.

Oh, and you can't accept that Arabs attacking Israel, with the help of Palestinian militias, was the main cause for the Palestinian getting expelled, just as they had tried to expell the Israelis. The problem with you is that you refuse to accept the truth, as we have seen many times.
You're allergic to the truth, you hate it . You call the truth 'propaganda'.
But you need to remember that even though you refuse to believe the truth, it won't make it go away. Of course, a brainwashed person like you wouldn't understand that . .
Stop lying and stop posting propaganda already, and then maybe more people will take you seriously

Who cares? The Europeans went to Palestine and evicted the people (Christians and Muslims) who lived there. That is a fact. None of your bullshit can change that fact.

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British, and were attacked by 5 Arab armies and Palestinian militias after doing so. Yet you keep ignoring this vital fact because the real truth is not part of your agenda.
Keep up the propaganda Monti !!

How could the British, a colonial power, decide to remove the local people to make room for other Europeans? How can you justify taking the land away from the people that were living there. Can't you understand how absurd your position is?

Because the British controlled the land after WW1. Not the Arabs you moron. Use your head for once ! The Arabs had NO SOVEREIGNTY over the land.
The British wanted t ogive the Jews a state which encompasses %.0002 of the land in the Middle East, while the rest of the land belonged to Muslim Arabs. Oh, the horror !!

 

[Hossfly]

Who are the Palestinians?

Nermin Demyati

Demyati, 28, says her designs are in high demand internationally, but she cannot ship them because of the Israeli blockade

GAZA CITY - Inside her small factory, 28-year-old Nermin Demyati is busy on her modest sewing machine. Customer orders for new designs come in every day from clients all over Europe, Canada and the Middle East who know that Demyati has the talent for all types of hijabi women’s clothing. But, despite wanting to satisfy all her customers, Demyati knows that the probability of marketing abroad is hampered by Israel’s ongoing siege of Gaza.

Gaza s first female fashion designer Middle East Eye

What siege would that be? What keeps her from exporting it abroad?

 

[toastman]

We're talking about how Israel declared independence.

Oh, and you can't accept that Arabs attacking Israel, with the help of Palestinian militias, was the main cause for the Palestinian getting expelled, just as they had tried to expell the Israelis. The problem with you is that you refuse to accept the truth, as we have seen many times.
You're allergic to the truth, you hate it . You call the truth 'propaganda'.
But you need to remember that even though you refuse to believe the truth, it won't make it go away. Of course, a brainwashed person like you wouldn't understand that . .
Stop lying and stop posting propaganda already, and then maybe more people will take you seriously

Who cares? The Europeans went to Palestine and evicted the people (Christians and Muslims) who lived there. That is a fact. None of your bullshit can change that fact.

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British, and were attacked by 5 Arab armies and Palestinian militias after doing so. Yet you keep ignoring this vital fact because the real truth is not part of your agenda.
Keep up the propaganda Monti !!

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British,...​

Not!

Yup ! Call it a Jewish homeland if you want, but that was their intention.

Song and dance.

When did Britain promise a state?

Balfour Declaration. They called it a 'national home' . That sounds like a state to me. NATIONAL

 

[Hossfly]

Why is it that you are asking me this question, when you have asked Rocco the same one countless times, followed by him proving it is correct?

He has?

Got a link?

Many times. But as usual, you refuse to accept the truth. But just because you refuse, doesn't make the claim false.
Kind of how we proved you wrong about Palestine using 181 as a basis to declare independence.

The problem is, you only believe the propaganda. There were lots of people living in Palestine that were Christian and Muslim. The Europeans, who happened to be Jews, went there and expelled those people who had been living there for many generations. You just can't accept that basic fact. Why is that?

We're talking about how Israel declared independence.

Oh, and you can't accept that Arabs attacking Israel, with the help of Palestinian militias, was the main cause for the Palestinian getting expelled, just as they had tried to expell the Israelis. The problem with you is that you refuse to accept the truth, as we have seen many times.
You're allergic to the truth, you hate it . You call the truth 'propaganda'.
But you need to remember that even though you refuse to believe the truth, it won't make it go away. Of course, a brainwashed person like you wouldn't understand that . .
Stop lying and stop posting propaganda already, and then maybe more people will take you seriously

Who cares? The Europeans went to Palestine and evicted the people (Christians and Muslims) who lived there. That is a fact. None of your bullshit can change that fact.

Do you think your b.s. is going to change anything?

http://www.think-israel.org/mandelbaum.arabsnativesoraliens.html

 

[P F Tinmore]

The problem is, you only believe the propaganda. There were lots of people living in Palestine that were Christian and Muslim. The Europeans, who happened to be Jews, went there and expelled those people who had been living there for many generations. You just can't accept that basic fact. Why is that?

We're talking about how Israel declared independence.

Oh, and you can't accept that Arabs attacking Israel, with the help of Palestinian militias, was the main cause for the Palestinian getting expelled, just as they had tried to expell the Israelis. The problem with you is that you refuse to accept the truth, as we have seen many times.
You're allergic to the truth, you hate it . You call the truth 'propaganda'.
But you need to remember that even though you refuse to believe the truth, it won't make it go away. Of course, a brainwashed person like you wouldn't understand that . .
Stop lying and stop posting propaganda already, and then maybe more people will take you seriously

Who cares? The Europeans went to Palestine and evicted the people (Christians and Muslims) who lived there. That is a fact. None of your bullshit can change that fact.

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British, and were attacked by 5 Arab armies and Palestinian militias after doing so. Yet you keep ignoring this vital fact because the real truth is not part of your agenda.
Keep up the propaganda Monti !!

How could the British, a colonial power, decide to remove the local people to make room for other Europeans? How can you justify taking the land away from the people that were living there. Can't you understand how absurd your position is?

Because the British controlled the land after WW1. Not the Arabs you moron. Use your head for once ! The Arabs had NO SOVEREIGNTY over the land.
The British wanted t ogive the Jews a state which encompasses %.0002 of the land in the Middle East, while the rest of the land belonged to Muslim Arabs. Oh, the horror !!

All the legal assumptions relating to the international status of Palestine were based on the principle according to which sovereignty over a mandated territory lies in its inhabitants.[9] This legal notion has also been confirmed in a United Nations report on the origins of the Palestine problem where it is stated that the sovereignty of Palestine (having been classified as falling under a category “A” Mandate) “could not be alienated either by the Mandatory Power or by the League.”[10]

The Sub-Committee, in its report to the Ad Hoc Committee, further stated that “partition involves the alienation of territory and the destruction of the integrity of the State of Palestine. The United Nations cannot make a disposition or alienation of territory, nor can it deprive the majority of the people of Palestine of their territory and transfer it to the exclusive use of a minority in the country ...”[14]
Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who cares? The Europeans went to Palestine and evicted the people (Christians and Muslims) who lived there. That is a fact. None of your bullshit can change that fact.

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British, and were attacked by 5 Arab armies and Palestinian militias after doing so. Yet you keep ignoring this vital fact because the real truth is not part of your agenda.
Keep up the propaganda Monti !!

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British,...​

Not!

Yup ! Call it a Jewish homeland if you want, but that was their intention.

Song and dance.

When did Britain promise a state?

Balfour Declaration. They called it a 'national home' . That sounds like a state to me. NATIONAL

Pffft, you need to read up.

 

[Hossfly]

We're talking about how Israel declared independence.

Oh, and you can't accept that Arabs attacking Israel, with the help of Palestinian militias, was the main cause for the Palestinian getting expelled, just as they had tried to expell the Israelis. The problem with you is that you refuse to accept the truth, as we have seen many times.
You're allergic to the truth, you hate it . You call the truth 'propaganda'.
But you need to remember that even though you refuse to believe the truth, it won't make it go away. Of course, a brainwashed person like you wouldn't understand that . .
Stop lying and stop posting propaganda already, and then maybe more people will take you seriously

Who cares? The Europeans went to Palestine and evicted the people (Christians and Muslims) who lived there. That is a fact. None of your bullshit can change that fact.

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British, and were attacked by 5 Arab armies and Palestinian militias after doing so. Yet you keep ignoring this vital fact because the real truth is not part of your agenda.
Keep up the propaganda Monti !!

How could the British, a colonial power, decide to remove the local people to make room for other Europeans? How can you justify taking the land away from the people that were living there. Can't you understand how absurd your position is?

Because the British controlled the land after WW1. Not the Arabs you moron. Use your head for once ! The Arabs had NO SOVEREIGNTY over the land.
The British wanted t ogive the Jews a state which encompasses %.0002 of the land in the Middle East, while the rest of the land belonged to Muslim Arabs. Oh, the horror !!

All the legal assumptions relating to the international status of Palestine were based on the principle according to which sovereignty over a mandated territory lies in its inhabitants.[9] This legal notion has also been confirmed in a United Nations report on the origins of the Palestine problem where it is stated that the sovereignty of Palestine (having been classified as falling under a category “A” Mandate) “could not be alienated either by the Mandatory Power or by the League.”[10]

The Sub-Committee, in its report to the Ad Hoc Committee, further stated that “partition involves the alienation of territory and the destruction of the integrity of the State of Palestine. The United Nations cannot make a disposition or alienation of territory, nor can it deprive the majority of the people of Palestine of their territory and transfer it to the exclusive use of a minority in the country ...”[14]
Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

What is the current legal status, Tinmore.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who cares? The Europeans went to Palestine and evicted the people (Christians and Muslims) who lived there. That is a fact. None of your bullshit can change that fact.

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British, and were attacked by 5 Arab armies and Palestinian militias after doing so. Yet you keep ignoring this vital fact because the real truth is not part of your agenda.
Keep up the propaganda Monti !!

How could the British, a colonial power, decide to remove the local people to make room for other Europeans? How can you justify taking the land away from the people that were living there. Can't you understand how absurd your position is?

Because the British controlled the land after WW1. Not the Arabs you moron. Use your head for once ! The Arabs had NO SOVEREIGNTY over the land.
The British wanted t ogive the Jews a state which encompasses %.0002 of the land in the Middle East, while the rest of the land belonged to Muslim Arabs. Oh, the horror !!

All the legal assumptions relating to the international status of Palestine were based on the principle according to which sovereignty over a mandated territory lies in its inhabitants.[9] This legal notion has also been confirmed in a United Nations report on the origins of the Palestine problem where it is stated that the sovereignty of Palestine (having been classified as falling under a category “A” Mandate) “could not be alienated either by the Mandatory Power or by the League.”[10]

The Sub-Committee, in its report to the Ad Hoc Committee, further stated that “partition involves the alienation of territory and the destruction of the integrity of the State of Palestine. The United Nations cannot make a disposition or alienation of territory, nor can it deprive the majority of the people of Palestine of their territory and transfer it to the exclusive use of a minority in the country ...”[14]
Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

What is the current legal status, Tinmore.

Occupied.

 

[Hossfly]

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British, and were attacked by 5 Arab armies and Palestinian militias after doing so. Yet you keep ignoring this vital fact because the real truth is not part of your agenda.
Keep up the propaganda Monti !!

How could the British, a colonial power, decide to remove the local people to make room for other Europeans? How can you justify taking the land away from the people that were living there. Can't you understand how absurd your position is?

Because the British controlled the land after WW1. Not the Arabs you moron. Use your head for once ! The Arabs had NO SOVEREIGNTY over the land.
The British wanted t ogive the Jews a state which encompasses %.0002 of the land in the Middle East, while the rest of the land belonged to Muslim Arabs. Oh, the horror !!

All the legal assumptions relating to the international status of Palestine were based on the principle according to which sovereignty over a mandated territory lies in its inhabitants.[9] This legal notion has also been confirmed in a United Nations report on the origins of the Palestine problem where it is stated that the sovereignty of Palestine (having been classified as falling under a category “A” Mandate) “could not be alienated either by the Mandatory Power or by the League.”[10]

The Sub-Committee, in its report to the Ad Hoc Committee, further stated that “partition involves the alienation of territory and the destruction of the integrity of the State of Palestine. The United Nations cannot make a disposition or alienation of territory, nor can it deprive the majority of the people of Palestine of their territory and transfer it to the exclusive use of a minority in the country ...”[14]
Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

What is the current legal status, Tinmore.

Occupied.

So the State of Palestine is occupied?

 

[toastman]

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British, and were attacked by 5 Arab armies and Palestinian militias after doing so. Yet you keep ignoring this vital fact because the real truth is not part of your agenda.
Keep up the propaganda Monti !!

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British,...​

Not!

Yup ! Call it a Jewish homeland if you want, but that was their intention.

Song and dance.

When did Britain promise a state?

Balfour Declaration. They called it a 'national home' . That sounds like a state to me. NATIONAL

Pffft, you need to read up.

I did read up. You need to accept the truth. Or not, makes no difference ...

 

[Phoenall]

Take it up with the South Africans who wrote the report on their analysis of Israeli Apartheid. I guess you believe you know more about Apartheid than the people who lived under it.

By the way not one statement in your post is true. You have been lying so much, you can't even tell you are lying. Nothing you write is true, and the fact that you never provide any backup to the nonsense you write is telling.

So since when has gaza and the west bank been Israeli. According to the UN they are Palestinian and have their own leaders, politicians and nation. So why cant the Israelis vote in Palestinian elections ?

Israel, the West Bank, and Gaze are all artificial constructs inside the Palestinian's homeland. Each one has its own level and form of apartheid.

What Palestinian homeland, how about a link to the treaty that made Palestine a nation ? And not the LoN Mandate that made Palestine a mandate

 

[Phoenall]

So since when has gaza and the west bank been Israeli. According to the UN they are Palestinian and have their own leaders, politicians and nation. So why cant the Israelis vote in Palestinian elections ?

Israel, the West Bank, and Gaze are all artificial constructs inside the Palestinian's homeland. Each one has its own level and form of apartheid.

Do you think anyone, apart from the moron, takes any notice of what you say?

Apparently, you do.

Hey Monte, did you hear the one about "Israel is stealing 'Palestinian' land."

Funny.NOT...But I did hear about the one "Where Israel has obtained Billions of US$ from the American Taxpayers" which I though was Bloody Funny.

Not as funny as the one about islam stealing $trillions from the US taxpayers in aid used to murder innocent US civilians

 

[Phoenall]

Hey Monte, did you hear the one about "Israel is stealing 'Palestinian' land."

Funny.NOT...But I did hear about the one "Where Israel has obtained Billions of US$ from the American Taxpayers" which I though was Bloody Funny.

Are you not even aware the Arab countries receive over twice as much in US financial aid than Israel does? Please join with me in praying the US cut off all financial aid to Israel ASAP. And of course to all the Arab countries as well. America First.

Egypt got more foreign aid than anyone besides Israel says New York Times columnist Ross Douthat PolitiFact

Are you aware that trying to talk to that one in normal parlance is a total waste of time? He's here for another purpose altogether.

Actually he's wonderful. We keep him here for laughs.

As for laughs and entertainment a recent poll has you, Ruddy and Phoney running neck in neck for the most laughs. Please post more, you could win.

Would that be a poll of 1, and is it maniacal laughter because you are getting ridiculed all the time.

 

[Phoenall]

You mean the 85%+ owned by the Christians and Muslims before partition?

No the 100% owned by the LoN from 1917 when the Ottoman Empire gave it up as spoils of war, and was then given to the Jews for their National Home. So International law says that the arab muslims owned nothing

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

I know that you think that "land ownership" has something to do with sovereignty. But is doesn't.

• Land ownership is a real estate matter in civil law.
• Sovereignty is a matter of governance.

You mean the 85%+ owned by the Christians and Muslims before partition?

(COMMENT)

As an example in the difference is in the case of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan which does not rule over a Hashemite Population. Jordan has a population that is ethnically Arab 98% (Native to the Kingdom are mostly descended from village-dwellers and Bedouins originating in the Arabian Peninsula. Half of Jordan's population are of Palestinian origin.); with minorities including Circassian 1%, Armenian 1%.

In contrast, the Hashemites (Arab chieftain Quraysh (Quraysh, at one time the ruling tribe of Mecca, that also guarded its most sacred shrine, the Kaʿbah), in the same lineage as the Prophet Ismai) are descendants of the ancient Banu Hahsim (Muhammad - PBUH - was born in 570 of the Hāshemite (Banū Hāshim) branch of the noble house of ʿAbd Manāf; he never lacked protection by his clan).

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco et al.

No, I have no doubt that ownership of land has no relationship with sovereignty. But if the owners of the land are dispossessed of the land, it is theft, regardless of sovereignty. The Japanese may own most of the private land in Hawaii, but Hawaii is not under Japanese sovereignty. However, if the U.S. makes up a law that takes the land from the Japanese owners, it is theft.

Then all Islamic land was stolen by the arab muslims then. If a national Government executes a law that removes land ownership from the common man and pays them retribution it is not theft. This is what the LoN proposed to the arab muslims under the terms of the Mandate for Palestine. They refused and so they owned nothing as of midnight May 14 1948. That is INTERNATIONAL LAW.