Who Are The Palestinians?

[toastman]

You mean the 85%+ owned by the Christians and Muslims before partition?

What about it ?

Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan, the same way the so called Palestinians did so.
If that's stealing, then why did the U.N recognize Israel and make them a full member one year later?

Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,...​

No it didn't.

Yes, she did. Stop with your lies. Palestine did as well.

 

[toastman]

montelatici, et al,

I know that you think that "land ownership" has something to do with sovereignty. But is doesn't.

• Land ownership is a real estate matter in civil law.
• Sovereignty is a matter of governance.

You mean the 85%+ owned by the Christians and Muslims before partition?

(COMMENT)

As an example in the difference is in the case of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan which does not rule over a Hashemite Population. Jordan has a population that is ethnically Arab 98% (Native to the Kingdom are mostly descended from village-dwellers and Bedouins originating in the Arabian Peninsula. Half of Jordan's population are of Palestinian origin.); with minorities including Circassian 1%, Armenian 1%.

In contrast, the Hashemites (Arab chieftain Quraysh (Quraysh, at one time the ruling tribe of Mecca, that also guarded its most sacred shrine, the Kaʿbah), in the same lineage as the Prophet Ismai) are descendants of the ancient Banu Hahsim (Muhammad - PBUH - was born in 570 of the Hāshemite (Banū Hāshim) branch of the noble house of ʿAbd Manāf; he never lacked protection by his clan).

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco et al.

No, I have no doubt that ownership of land has no relationship with sovereignty. But if the owners of the land are dispossessed of the land, it is theft, regardless of sovereignty. The Japanese may own most of the private land in Hawaii, but Hawaii is not under Japanese sovereignty. However, if the U.S. makes up a law that takes the land from the Japanese owners, it is theft.

They were dispossessed AFTER they joined 5 Arab armies in trying to destroy Israel and dispossess the Jews. Why do you always leave that part out ?

Because it is not true. Half of the Palestinians were dispossessed before the beginning of the 1948 war. The 1948 war kept Israel from cleansing all of Palestine.

Overall, though, the 1948 war had no effect on Palestine's legal status.

The 1948 war, started by 5 Arab nations , was and still is the main reason the Palestinians are in a hole . Those 5 Arab nations did more harm then good for them

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

I know that you think that "land ownership" has something to do with sovereignty. But is doesn't.

• Land ownership is a real estate matter in civil law.
• Sovereignty is a matter of governance.

You mean the 85%+ owned by the Christians and Muslims before partition?

(COMMENT)

As an example in the difference is in the case of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan which does not rule over a Hashemite Population. Jordan has a population that is ethnically Arab 98% (Native to the Kingdom are mostly descended from village-dwellers and Bedouins originating in the Arabian Peninsula. Half of Jordan's population are of Palestinian origin.); with minorities including Circassian 1%, Armenian 1%.

In contrast, the Hashemites (Arab chieftain Quraysh (Quraysh, at one time the ruling tribe of Mecca, that also guarded its most sacred shrine, the Kaʿbah), in the same lineage as the Prophet Ismai) are descendants of the ancient Banu Hahsim (Muhammad - PBUH - was born in 570 of the Hāshemite (Banū Hāshim) branch of the noble house of ʿAbd Manāf; he never lacked protection by his clan).

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco et al.

No, I have no doubt that ownership of land has no relationship with sovereignty. But if the owners of the land are dispossessed of the land, it is theft, regardless of sovereignty. The Japanese may own most of the private land in Hawaii, but Hawaii is not under Japanese sovereignty. However, if the U.S. makes up a law that takes the land from the Japanese owners, it is theft.

They were dispossessed AFTER they joined 5 Arab armies in trying to destroy Israel and dispossess the Jews. Why do you always leave that part out ?

Because it is not true. Half of the Palestinians were dispossessed before the beginning of the 1948 war. The 1948 war kept Israel from cleansing all of Palestine.

Overall, though, the 1948 war had no effect on Palestine's legal status.

Can you document that?

Many Palestians fled upon hearing false news, which I recently documented. But some Palestinians were dispossessed during the 1947 war, which was also started by the Palestinians.

"Keesing's Contemporary Archives" in London place the total number of refugees before Israel's independence at 300,000.[50]

1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia​

 

[toastman]

montelatici, et al,

I know that you think that "land ownership" has something to do with sovereignty. But is doesn't.

• Land ownership is a real estate matter in civil law.
• Sovereignty is a matter of governance.

(COMMENT)

As an example in the difference is in the case of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan which does not rule over a Hashemite Population. Jordan has a population that is ethnically Arab 98% (Native to the Kingdom are mostly descended from village-dwellers and Bedouins originating in the Arabian Peninsula. Half of Jordan's population are of Palestinian origin.); with minorities including Circassian 1%, Armenian 1%.

In contrast, the Hashemites (Arab chieftain Quraysh (Quraysh, at one time the ruling tribe of Mecca, that also guarded its most sacred shrine, the Kaʿbah), in the same lineage as the Prophet Ismai) are descendants of the ancient Banu Hahsim (Muhammad - PBUH - was born in 570 of the Hāshemite (Banū Hāshim) branch of the noble house of ʿAbd Manāf; he never lacked protection by his clan).

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco et al.

No, I have no doubt that ownership of land has no relationship with sovereignty. But if the owners of the land are dispossessed of the land, it is theft, regardless of sovereignty. The Japanese may own most of the private land in Hawaii, but Hawaii is not under Japanese sovereignty. However, if the U.S. makes up a law that takes the land from the Japanese owners, it is theft.

They were dispossessed AFTER they joined 5 Arab armies in trying to destroy Israel and dispossess the Jews. Why do you always leave that part out ?

Because it is not true. Half of the Palestinians were dispossessed before the beginning of the 1948 war. The 1948 war kept Israel from cleansing all of Palestine.

Overall, though, the 1948 war had no effect on Palestine's legal status.

Can you document that?

Many Palestians fled upon hearing false news, which I recently documented. But some Palestinians were dispossessed during the 1947 war, which was also started by the Palestinians.

"Keesing's Contemporary Archives" in London place the total number of refugees before Israel's independence at 300,000.[50]

1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia​

Ok, now how many of them were expelled ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

You mean the 85%+ owned by the Christians and Muslims before partition?

What about it ?

Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan, the same way the so called Palestinians did so.
If that's stealing, then why did the U.N recognize Israel and make them a full member one year later?

Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,...​

No it didn't.

Yes, she did. Stop with your lies. Palestine did as well.

Show me where Israel defines its borders as the proposed partition plan borders.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Rocco et al.

No, I have no doubt that ownership of land has no relationship with sovereignty. But if the owners of the land are dispossessed of the land, it is theft, regardless of sovereignty. The Japanese may own most of the private land in Hawaii, but Hawaii is not under Japanese sovereignty. However, if the U.S. makes up a law that takes the land from the Japanese owners, it is theft.

They were dispossessed AFTER they joined 5 Arab armies in trying to destroy Israel and dispossess the Jews. Why do you always leave that part out ?

Because it is not true. Half of the Palestinians were dispossessed before the beginning of the 1948 war. The 1948 war kept Israel from cleansing all of Palestine.

Overall, though, the 1948 war had no effect on Palestine's legal status.

Can you document that?

Many Palestians fled upon hearing false news, which I recently documented. But some Palestinians were dispossessed during the 1947 war, which was also started by the Palestinians.

"Keesing's Contemporary Archives" in London place the total number of refugees before Israel's independence at 300,000.[50]

1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia​

Ok, now how many of them were expelled ?

All of them. None of them would have gone anywhere without attacks by Zionist terrorists.

 

[toastman]

They were dispossessed AFTER they joined 5 Arab armies in trying to destroy Israel and dispossess the Jews. Why do you always leave that part out ?

Because it is not true. Half of the Palestinians were dispossessed before the beginning of the 1948 war. The 1948 war kept Israel from cleansing all of Palestine.

Overall, though, the 1948 war had no effect on Palestine's legal status.

Can you document that?

Many Palestians fled upon hearing false news, which I recently documented. But some Palestinians were dispossessed during the 1947 war, which was also started by the Palestinians.

"Keesing's Contemporary Archives" in London place the total number of refugees before Israel's independence at 300,000.[50]

1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia​

Ok, now how many of them were expelled ?

All of them. None of them would have gone anywhere without attacks by Zionist terrorists.

Link that they were all expelled?

 

[toastman]

You mean the 85%+ owned by the Christians and Muslims before partition?

What about it ?

Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan, the same way the so called Palestinians did so.
If that's stealing, then why did the U.N recognize Israel and make them a full member one year later?

Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,...​

No it didn't.

Yes, she did. Stop with your lies. Palestine did as well.

Show me where Israel defines its borders as the proposed partition plan borders.

What does one have to do with the other ? You've been proven wrong over and over again about this. You're wrong about pretty much everything concerning this subject. Why don't you go debate about something you have knowledge about.

 

[toastman]

From your own link, before Israel Independence:

Approximately 100,000 Palestinian Arabs had fled

Some had left the country altogether, to Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt.[6]:67 Other sources speak of 30,000 Palestinian Arabs

By 1 May 1948, two weeks before the Israeli Declaration of Independence, nearly 175,000 Palestinians (approximately 25%) had already fled

 

[P F Tinmore]

You mean the 85%+ owned by the Christians and Muslims before partition?

What about it ?

Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan, the same way the so called Palestinians did so.
If that's stealing, then why did the U.N recognize Israel and make them a full member one year later?

Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,...​

No it didn't.

Yes, she did. Stop with your lies. Palestine did as well.

Show me where Israel defines its borders as the proposed partition plan borders.

What does one have to do with the other ? You've been proven wrong over and over again about this. You're wrong about pretty much everything concerning this subject. Why don't you go debate about something you have knowledge about.

You said "Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,"

So prove your point.

 

[toastman]

What about it ?

Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan, the same way the so called Palestinians did so.
If that's stealing, then why did the U.N recognize Israel and make them a full member one year later?

Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,...​

No it didn't.

Yes, she did. Stop with your lies. Palestine did as well.

Show me where Israel defines its borders as the proposed partition plan borders.

What does one have to do with the other ? You've been proven wrong over and over again about this. You're wrong about pretty much everything concerning this subject. Why don't you go debate about something you have knowledge about.

You said "Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,"

So prove your point.

Why is it that you are asking me this question, when you have asked Rocco the same one countless times, followed by him proving it is correct?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,...​

No it didn't.

Yes, she did. Stop with your lies. Palestine did as well.

Show me where Israel defines its borders as the proposed partition plan borders.

What does one have to do with the other ? You've been proven wrong over and over again about this. You're wrong about pretty much everything concerning this subject. Why don't you go debate about something you have knowledge about.

You said "Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,"

So prove your point.

Why is it that you are asking me this question, when you have asked Rocco the same one countless times, followed by him proving it is correct?

He has?

Got a link?

 

[toastman]

Yes, she did. Stop with your lies. Palestine did as well.

Show me where Israel defines its borders as the proposed partition plan borders.

What does one have to do with the other ? You've been proven wrong over and over again about this. You're wrong about pretty much everything concerning this subject. Why don't you go debate about something you have knowledge about.

You said "Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,"

So prove your point.

Why is it that you are asking me this question, when you have asked Rocco the same one countless times, followed by him proving it is correct?

He has?

Got a link?

Many times. But as usual, you refuse to accept the truth. But just because you refuse, doesn't make the claim false.
Kind of how we proved you wrong about Palestine using 181 as a basis to declare independence.

 

[Hossfly]

Yes, she did. Stop with your lies. Palestine did as well.

Show me where Israel defines its borders as the proposed partition plan borders.

What does one have to do with the other ? You've been proven wrong over and over again about this. You're wrong about pretty much everything concerning this subject. Why don't you go debate about something you have knowledge about.

You said "Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,"

So prove your point.

Why is it that you are asking me this question, when you have asked Rocco the same one countless times, followed by him proving it is correct?

He has?

Got a link?

 

[montelatici]

Show me where Israel defines its borders as the proposed partition plan borders.

What does one have to do with the other ? You've been proven wrong over and over again about this. You're wrong about pretty much everything concerning this subject. Why don't you go debate about something you have knowledge about.

You said "Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,"

So prove your point.

Why is it that you are asking me this question, when you have asked Rocco the same one countless times, followed by him proving it is correct?

He has?

Got a link?

Many times. But as usual, you refuse to accept the truth. But just because you refuse, doesn't make the claim false.
Kind of how we proved you wrong about Palestine using 181 as a basis to declare independence.

The problem is, you only believe the propaganda. There were lots of people living in Palestine that were Christian and Muslim. The Europeans, who happened to be Jews, went there and expelled those people who had been living there for many generations. You just can't accept that basic fact. Why is that?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Show me where Israel defines its borders as the proposed partition plan borders.

What does one have to do with the other ? You've been proven wrong over and over again about this. You're wrong about pretty much everything concerning this subject. Why don't you go debate about something you have knowledge about.

You said "Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,"

So prove your point.

Why is it that you are asking me this question, when you have asked Rocco the same one countless times, followed by him proving it is correct?

He has?

Got a link?

Many times. But as usual, you refuse to accept the truth. But just because you refuse, doesn't make the claim false.
Kind of how we proved you wrong about Palestine using 181 as a basis to declare independence.

Nice duck.

 

[toastman]

What does one have to do with the other ? You've been proven wrong over and over again about this. You're wrong about pretty much everything concerning this subject. Why don't you go debate about something you have knowledge about.

You said "Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,"

So prove your point.

Why is it that you are asking me this question, when you have asked Rocco the same one countless times, followed by him proving it is correct?

He has?

Got a link?

Many times. But as usual, you refuse to accept the truth. But just because you refuse, doesn't make the claim false.
Kind of how we proved you wrong about Palestine using 181 as a basis to declare independence.

The problem is, you only believe the propaganda. There were lots of people living in Palestine that were Christian and Muslim. The Europeans, who happened to be Jews, went there and expelled those people who had been living there for many generations. You just can't accept that basic fact. Why is that?

We're talking about how Israel declared independence.

Oh, and you can't accept that Arabs attacking Israel, with the help of Palestinian militias, was the main cause for the Palestinian getting expelled, just as they had tried to expell the Israelis. The problem with you is that you refuse to accept the truth, as we have seen many times.
You're allergic to the truth, you hate it . You call the truth 'propaganda'.
But you need to remember that even though you refuse to believe the truth, it won't make it go away. Of course, a brainwashed person like you wouldn't understand that . .
Stop lying and stop posting propaganda already, and then maybe more people will take you seriously

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

Nermin Demyati

Demyati, 28, says her designs are in high demand internationally, but she cannot ship them because of the Israeli blockade

GAZA CITY - Inside her small factory, 28-year-old Nermin Demyati is busy on her modest sewing machine. Customer orders for new designs come in every day from clients all over Europe, Canada and the Middle East who know that Demyati has the talent for all types of hijabi women’s clothing. But, despite wanting to satisfy all her customers, Demyati knows that the probability of marketing abroad is hampered by Israel’s ongoing siege of Gaza.

Gaza s first female fashion designer Middle East Eye

 

[montelatici]

You said "Israel declared independence on land allotted to her by the partition plan,"

So prove your point.

Why is it that you are asking me this question, when you have asked Rocco the same one countless times, followed by him proving it is correct?

He has?

Got a link?

Many times. But as usual, you refuse to accept the truth. But just because you refuse, doesn't make the claim false.
Kind of how we proved you wrong about Palestine using 181 as a basis to declare independence.

The problem is, you only believe the propaganda. There were lots of people living in Palestine that were Christian and Muslim. The Europeans, who happened to be Jews, went there and expelled those people who had been living there for many generations. You just can't accept that basic fact. Why is that?

We're talking about how Israel declared independence.

Oh, and you can't accept that Arabs attacking Israel, with the help of Palestinian militias, was the main cause for the Palestinian getting expelled, just as they had tried to expell the Israelis. The problem with you is that you refuse to accept the truth, as we have seen many times.
You're allergic to the truth, you hate it . You call the truth 'propaganda'.
But you need to remember that even though you refuse to believe the truth, it won't make it go away. Of course, a brainwashed person like you wouldn't understand that . .
Stop lying and stop posting propaganda already, and then maybe more people will take you seriously

Who cares? The Europeans went to Palestine and evicted the people (Christians and Muslims) who lived there. That is a fact. None of your bullshit can change that fact.

 

[toastman]

Why is it that you are asking me this question, when you have asked Rocco the same one countless times, followed by him proving it is correct?

He has?

Got a link?

Many times. But as usual, you refuse to accept the truth. But just because you refuse, doesn't make the claim false.
Kind of how we proved you wrong about Palestine using 181 as a basis to declare independence.

The problem is, you only believe the propaganda. There were lots of people living in Palestine that were Christian and Muslim. The Europeans, who happened to be Jews, went there and expelled those people who had been living there for many generations. You just can't accept that basic fact. Why is that?

We're talking about how Israel declared independence.

Oh, and you can't accept that Arabs attacking Israel, with the help of Palestinian militias, was the main cause for the Palestinian getting expelled, just as they had tried to expell the Israelis. The problem with you is that you refuse to accept the truth, as we have seen many times.
You're allergic to the truth, you hate it . You call the truth 'propaganda'.
But you need to remember that even though you refuse to believe the truth, it won't make it go away. Of course, a brainwashed person like you wouldn't understand that . .
Stop lying and stop posting propaganda already, and then maybe more people will take you seriously

Who cares? The Europeans went to Palestine and evicted the people (Christians and Muslims) who lived there. That is a fact. None of your bullshit can change that fact.

They went to Palestine to create a state, as promised by the British, and were attacked by 5 Arab armies and Palestinian militias after doing so. Yet you keep ignoring this vital fact because the real truth is not part of your agenda.
Keep up the propaganda Monti !!