Who Are The Palestinians?

[fanger]

They were illegal immigrants

 

[montelatici]

They came from Europe, settled an area of the Middle East then evicted the Christians and Muslims that lived in that area and took the land that the non-Jews had lived on for thousands of years through armed conflict. That is an invasion.

Among the indigenous Palestinians were Jews. Not a single Muslim Palestinian is a native to the land except for converts to Islam.

A tiny number were indigenous Jews. The invaders were Europeans.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. ..."

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Nearly all Palestinian Muslims have Christian ancestors. The Arabians were a very small population, the desert doesn't allow for large populations. Converts were what populated the so-called "Muslim hordes".

 

[aris2chat]

After how the Palestinians thanked Israel for granting their request for a Jew free Gaza there never should be any Palestinian State in Israel.

There should never have been a Jewish State in Palestine.

Also, there was no "Palestine" sovereign nation EVER. It was just a part of the Ottoman Empire before the Brits came.

Maybe not, but there was a sovereign Palestinian state Daher el-Omar - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

He was Governor of Safad, Sheikh of Acre and Galilee, Emir of Nazareth, a feudal lord

Druze had a few semi-automonous sanjuks under the ottomans, but they were not states. Most of what is today Lebanon was also semi-autonomous, but when Lebanon became an actual state from the french mandate, the lines changed.
Acre was not a state let along a "palestinian" state. It was a druze stonghold.

It was for a time an independant Muslim state in Northern Palestine, like it or not.

ACRE was autonomous, not independent. There was no palestine state.

 

[Phoenall]

The overwhelming majority of Muslim Palestinians are just squatters on Israel's land with no titles or deeds whatsoever to the land they have stolen for generations now.

The only squatters are the European Jews that went to Palestine from Europe. The Christians and Muslims of Palestine have always been there whatever religion they were before.

Who invited the arab muslims to migrate to Palestine then, where is the treaty that says they an come and be citizens ?

Don't forget in 1099 the Crusaders evicted the muslims and the arabs never came back until the end of the 19C, when the Jews had made the land fertile again.

Who knows, but they were Ottoman citizens. All Ottoman citizens, Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc. became Palestinian citizens in 1925.

No they didn't. Lies. Is that all you can do is lie?

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

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Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Just like I said.

link: Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

But does not mention a Palestinian nation, just a Mandated citizenship. In the ase of Palestine this was British.

Unless you can produce evidence of any Palestinian issued documents signed by the elected head of Palestine ?

 

[Phoenall]

Who invited the arab muslims to migrate to Palestine then, where is the treaty that says they an come and be citizens ?

Don't forget in 1099 the Crusaders evicted the muslims and the arabs never came back until the end of the 19C, when the Jews had made the land fertile again.

Who knows, but they were Ottoman citizens. All Ottoman citizens, Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc. became Palestinian citizens in 1925.

No they didn't. Lies. Is that all you can do is lie?

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

-------------------
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Just like I said.

link: Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Look, Palestine was never a sovereign state. They went from Ottoman rule to British rule.

So?

It was never a nation until 1988, and what went before is their attempts at free determination.

 

[Phoenall]

Learn to read Abdul, you are only showing yourself up. Now where did I say we took 500,000 Christians in ? ? ? ? ?

Who Are The Palestinians Page 298 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
"The Christians are being ethnically cleansed form Palestine by the arab muslims. And we took over 500,000 into the UK alone last year as asylum seekers."

Now post the whole in context post so we can see how you manipulate the truth......................

 

[aris2chat]

They do. All the time. They also accept Muslims, Jews, or whomever immigrates there legally. The fact is nobody wants the Palestinians because they are TROUBLE.

No country in Europe would accept 6 million people of any race, ethnicity or religion. The Palestinians are just Christians and Muslims resisting occupation and oppression. No one suggested that the South African non-whites leave South Africa to make room for the whites. After all, white ruled South Africa was surrounded by black ruled states. What makes the Christians and Muslims of Palestine any different?

The Christians are being ethnically cleansed form Palestine by the arab muslims. And we took over 500,000 into the UK alone last year as asylum seekers.


And again you go OFF TOPIC by bringing another nation an ocean and a continent away

We've suddenly had an influx of 500,000 Christian Palestinians in the UK last year? Seriously, go take your meds you are totally losing the plot.

figures are from NABA

Never heard of them, care to provide a link?

National Association British Arabs

 

[Phoenall]

No they didn't. Lies. Is that all you can do is lie?

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

-------------------
Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Just like I said.

link: Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Look, Palestine was never a sovereign state. They went from Ottoman rule to British rule.

So?

So? It was under control of the Ottoman empire and just a territory. The British came and conquered and then it was THEIR territory. They broke it up into Israel/Palestine. The Israelis never stole anything and have just as much right to be there as anyone.

When did Britain claim Possession of the territory?

When the surrender terms were signed by the Ottomans

 

[Phoenall]

Then you explain why nobody wants them?
They have like 14 islamic countries, why don't they live in one of them?

They have a country, it's called Palestine, currently occupied by a racist, Islamophobic regime that disposessed them. Those who want to live elsewhere have already gone to make new lives for themselves in Europe and America or wherever. The remainder wait.

Nope, they have no country. They are Jordanian and Syrian Arabs. And even THOSE people don't want them.

Who sold you that piece of bullshit. They are Palestinian Christians and Muslims, they were there during the reign of the Romans, Western and Eastern, the reign of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem and during the reign of the Ottomans. Same people. The Jews came from Europe in hordes to colonize Palestine.

How did they manage that magic trick then Abdul seeing as muslims were not invented until 627 C.E. a full 223 years after the last Roman left. So that is LIE number 1, much touted by muslims. Then the Christians were not invented until the 4C by Romans so they could not have existed in any numbers until then, So LIE number 2 exposed. BUT the Jews lived in Judea and Samaria for 2500 before the Roman invasion, and still live there today 2000 years after the roman invasion.

THE JEWS WERE INVITED BY THE LANDS LEGAL OWNERS UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, FIRST THE OTTOMANS IN 1850 WHO WERE LOOKING AT GIVING THE JEWS PALESTINE AS THEIR HOMELAND. THEN THE LoN FROM 1917 WHO DID [ROMISE THE JEWS A HOMELAND IN PALESTINE.

So Lie number 3 put to bed as well

Another FLAME attack because you cant answer the points raised, typical of you neo marxists

 

[Phoenall]

They came from Europe, settled an area of the Middle East then evicted the Christians and Muslims that lived in that area and took the land that the non-Jews had lived on for thousands of years through armed conflict. That is an invasion.

Among the indigenous Palestinians were Jews. Not a single Muslim Palestinian is a native to the land except for converts to Islam.

A tiny number were indigenous Jews. The invaders were Europeans.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. ..."

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Nearly all Palestinian Muslims have Christian ancestors. The Arabians were a very small population, the desert doesn't allow for large populations. Converts were what populated the so-called "Muslim hordes".

Strande how many "Palestinians" have names saying they were Egyptians or Syrians isn't it. In keeping with historical norms from around the world the arab muslims adopted the same concept of naming people from their place of birth, occupation or son of. As in Ali son of Mohamed, Abdul the weaver or Hussien the Syrian.

 

[ChrisL]

The Palestinians have the right to defend themselves.

I've asked you many times to give me examples of how the Palestinians have defended themselves.

Anything that opposes the occupation and colonization of Palestine.

So targeting children is according to you defending against occupation, travelling to another nation on another continent and murdering unarmed innocent people is according to you defending against occupation.

And THAT right there is the difference between "liberators" and "terrorists." Terrorists target the innocent. They are monsters.

And that is what Stern and the Zionist were/ARE,so thanks for you input.....H.I.M.theliq

Stern?

No Israelis are not terrorists, but Palestinians are actually led by terrorists and taught to hate. That is like the definition of terrorist.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who are the Palestinians?

 

[Challenger]

There should never have been a Jewish State in Palestine.

Also, there was no "Palestine" sovereign nation EVER. It was just a part of the Ottoman Empire before the Brits came.

Maybe not, but there was a sovereign Palestinian state Daher el-Omar - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

He was Governor of Safad, Sheikh of Acre and Galilee, Emir of Nazareth, a feudal lord

Druze had a few semi-automonous sanjuks under the ottomans, but they were not states. Most of what is today Lebanon was also semi-autonomous, but when Lebanon became an actual state from the french mandate, the lines changed.
Acre was not a state let along a "palestinian" state. It was a druze stonghold.

It was for a time an independant Muslim state in Northern Palestine, like it or not.

ACRE was autonomous, not independent. There was no palestine state.

Independant of Ottoman rule and supported by both Egypt and Russia from the 1760's until 1775 The ottomans recognised his rule by confering the title "Sheikh of Acre, Emir of Nazareth, Tiberias, Safed, and Sheikh of all Galilee" on him. Sheikh: "...a man of vast power, and nobility, and it is used strictly for the royal families of the middle east." "Emir": ruler of an Emirate which is a sovereign Principality. Sounds pretty independant and autonomous to me.

 

[Challenger]

No country in Europe would accept 6 million people of any race, ethnicity or religion. The Palestinians are just Christians and Muslims resisting occupation and oppression. No one suggested that the South African non-whites leave South Africa to make room for the whites. After all, white ruled South Africa was surrounded by black ruled states. What makes the Christians and Muslims of Palestine any different?

The Christians are being ethnically cleansed form Palestine by the arab muslims. And we took over 500,000 into the UK alone last year as asylum seekers.


And again you go OFF TOPIC by bringing another nation an ocean and a continent away

We've suddenly had an influx of 500,000 Christian Palestinians in the UK last year? Seriously, go take your meds you are totally losing the plot.

figures are from NABA

Never heard of them, care to provide a link?

National Association British Arabs

OK found the site, and an article on the 2011 census, but nothing about 500,000 Christian Palestinians in the UK in 2014, care to help me out? NABA British Arabs Association

 

[Challenger]

They have a country, it's called Palestine, currently occupied by a racist, Islamophobic regime that disposessed them. Those who want to live elsewhere have already gone to make new lives for themselves in Europe and America or wherever. The remainder wait.

Nope, they have no country. They are Jordanian and Syrian Arabs. And even THOSE people don't want them.

Who sold you that piece of bullshit. They are Palestinian Christians and Muslims, they were there during the reign of the Romans, Western and Eastern, the reign of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem and during the reign of the Ottomans. Same people. The Jews came from Europe in hordes to colonize Palestine.

How did they manage that magic trick then Abdul seeing as muslims were not invented until 627 C.E. a full 223 years after the last Roman left. So that is LIE number 1, much touted by muslims. Then the Christians were not invented until the 4C by Romans so they could not have existed in any numbers until then, So LIE number 2 exposed. BUT the Jews lived in Judea and Samaria for 2500 before the Roman invasion, and still live there today 2000 years after the roman invasion.

THE JEWS WERE INVITED BY THE LANDS LEGAL OWNERS UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW, FIRST THE OTTOMANS IN 1850 WHO WERE LOOKING AT GIVING THE JEWS PALESTINE AS THEIR HOMELAND. THEN THE LoN FROM 1917 WHO DID [ROMISE THE JEWS A HOMELAND IN PALESTINE.

So Lie number 3 put to bed as well

Another FLAME attack because you cant answer the points raised, typical of you neo marxists

I just invoked Challenger's Law ("The amount of energy necessary to refute Zionist bullshit is an order of magnitude larger that the energy required to produce it."-- Challenger's Law) and it was easier to respond as I did than waste my time debunking your B.S. which you'd ignore anyway and move the goalposts again.

 

[ChrisL]

The Christians are being ethnically cleansed form Palestine by the arab muslims. And we took over 500,000 into the UK alone last year as asylum seekers.


And again you go OFF TOPIC by bringing another nation an ocean and a continent away

We've suddenly had an influx of 500,000 Christian Palestinians in the UK last year? Seriously, go take your meds you are totally losing the plot.

figures are from NABA

Never heard of them, care to provide a link?

National Association British Arabs

OK found the site, and an article on the 2011 census, but nothing about 500,000 Christian Palestinians in the UK in 2014, care to help me out? NABA British Arabs Association

Yeah, the National Association of British Arabs. REAL good website there. Oh no, they wouldn't have a biased view of anything, right?

 

[montelatici]

We've suddenly had an influx of 500,000 Christian Palestinians in the UK last year? Seriously, go take your meds you are totally losing the plot.

figures are from NABA

Never heard of them, care to provide a link?

National Association British Arabs

OK found the site, and an article on the 2011 census, but nothing about 500,000 Christian Palestinians in the UK in 2014, care to help me out? NABA British Arabs Association

Yeah, the National Association of British Arabs. REAL good website there. Oh no, they wouldn't have a biased view of anything, right?

You do realize that the NABA site was used as "proof" by Ariscat, one of the most strident Zionist fundamentalists that post here. You really should read the thread before having knee jerk reactions that do nothing else but confirm you are a knucklehead. By the way, 500 thousand Palestinians did not go to Britain in 2014 as claimed by that other knucklehead, Phoney.

 

[aris2chat]

Also, there was no "Palestine" sovereign nation EVER. It was just a part of the Ottoman Empire before the Brits came.

Maybe not, but there was a sovereign Palestinian state Daher el-Omar - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

He was Governor of Safad, Sheikh of Acre and Galilee, Emir of Nazareth, a feudal lord

Druze had a few semi-automonous sanjuks under the ottomans, but they were not states. Most of what is today Lebanon was also semi-autonomous, but when Lebanon became an actual state from the french mandate, the lines changed.
Acre was not a state let along a "palestinian" state. It was a druze stonghold.

It was for a time an independant Muslim state in Northern Palestine, like it or not.

ACRE was autonomous, not independent. There was no palestine state.

Independant of Ottoman rule and supported by both Egypt and Russia from the 1760's until 1775 The ottomans recognised his rule by confering the title "Sheikh of Acre, Emir of Nazareth, Tiberias, Safed, and Sheikh of all Galilee" on him. Sheikh: "...a man of vast power, and nobility, and it is used strictly for the royal families of the middle east." "Emir": ruler of an Emirate which is a sovereign Principality. Sounds pretty independant and autonomous to me.

It is the title of a tribal leader, something like a "chief", "sir" or in some cases like "lord". There are hundreds of sheiks around today through the region.
Does not make him a king of palestine it just makes him leader of the sanjuk. They collect the taxes of the area and get a percentage before giving the taxes to the Ottoman. It is bit like being the duke of cambridge, he gets an income from cambridge instead of being paid by the queen.

It is a feudal lord of a county, not country

Instead of understanding the system and times you (pl.) keep grasping at straws. Acre was not palestine.

The laziness of poster to not check facts before posting is shameful. It takes seconds. They would rather argue about nonsense for days than learn the facts in less than a minute.

Arabia - Arab Titles of Rank - Sheyk Sheik Emeer Emir Sultan

I don't know or remember everything or not sure how to phrase certain things, but I have an advantage to know what I am looking for. So it take others a few more seconds to check or double check before posting. It still takes less time than typing out a post or reading one.

Why should other posters do your homework for you? Think before opening your mouth. A political forum is not the place to be making up fiction......unless you're going to run for office

Stick to the way things are, not the way you want them to be

 

[Challenger]

We've suddenly had an influx of 500,000 Christian Palestinians in the UK last year? Seriously, go take your meds you are totally losing the plot.

figures are from NABA

Never heard of them, care to provide a link?

National Association British Arabs

OK found the site, and an article on the 2011 census, but nothing about 500,000 Christian Palestinians in the UK in 2014, care to help me out? NABA British Arabs Association

Yeah, the National Association of British Arabs. REAL good website there. Oh no, they wouldn't have a biased view of anything, right?

 

[Challenger]

Maybe not, but there was a sovereign Palestinian state Daher el-Omar - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

He was Governor of Safad, Sheikh of Acre and Galilee, Emir of Nazareth, a feudal lord

Druze had a few semi-automonous sanjuks under the ottomans, but they were not states. Most of what is today Lebanon was also semi-autonomous, but when Lebanon became an actual state from the french mandate, the lines changed.
Acre was not a state let along a "palestinian" state. It was a druze stonghold.

It was for a time an independant Muslim state in Northern Palestine, like it or not.

ACRE was autonomous, not independent. There was no palestine state.

Independant of Ottoman rule and supported by both Egypt and Russia from the 1760's until 1775 The ottomans recognised his rule by confering the title "Sheikh of Acre, Emir of Nazareth, Tiberias, Safed, and Sheikh of all Galilee" on him. Sheikh: "...a man of vast power, and nobility, and it is used strictly for the royal families of the middle east." "Emir": ruler of an Emirate which is a sovereign Principality. Sounds pretty independant and autonomous to me.

It is the title of a tribal leader, something like a "chief", "sir" or in some cases like "lord". There are hundreds of sheiks around today through the region.
Does not make him a king of palestine it just makes him leader of the sanjuk. They collect the taxes of the area and get a percentage before giving the taxes to the Ottoman. It is bit like being the duke of cambridge, he gets an income from cambridge instead of being paid by the queen.

It is a feudal lord of a county, not country

Instead of understanding the system and times you (pl.) keep grasping at straws. Acre was not palestine.

The laziness of poster to not check facts before posting is shameful. It takes seconds. They would rather argue about nonsense for days than learn the facts in less than a minute.

Arabia - Arab Titles of Rank - Sheyk Sheik Emeer Emir Sultan

I don't know or remember everything or not sure how to phrase certain things, but I have an advantage to know what I am looking for. So it take others a few more seconds to check or double check before posting. It still takes less time than typing out a post or reading one.

Why should other posters do your homework for you? Think before opening your mouth. A political forum is not the place to be making up fiction......unless you're going to run for office

Stick to the way things are, not the way you want them to be

Looks like someone's upset you.

Regarding Sheikh, the literal meaning is "elder" someone whose hair has gone white. It is a title of respect and nowdays can apply to any "leader" of a family through to a tribe or settlement up to a full kingdom. The clue was in the title, i.e. "Sheikh of all Galilee" meant ruler of All Galilee. It was for a time apparently reserved strictly for royalty in the Arabian Peninsula, but to be fair I'm not sure how strict the Saudi family are about that now. There has never been any feudal connotation to the title and the leader of a Sanjak was a Bey not a Sheikh. You seem to be confusing Arab titles with Turkish ones.