Who Are The Palestinians?

[The Irish Ram]

The people that Hamas represents, that are squatting on Israeli territory, are the offspring of the Muslims that were living and working side by side with the Jews and thriving in Israel when Egypt told them to get out before Egypt invaded Israel. Expecting Egypt to win, they left. Egypt lost, refused to take the refugees in, and instead used them as a ploy to expand their border further into Israeli territory.

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

Yes, I've heard this claim many times.

The point is that Europeans organized the colonization of Palestine by Europeans at the expense of the people living in Palestine. All your recent posts regarding the subject confirm that fact.

(QUESTIONS)

Who maintained the government control of the territory? (HINT: It was not the Arab Palestinian.)
What territory (expense) was taken from the Arab Palestinian? (HINT: None, the territory transferred from the Ottoman/Turk Empire to the Allied Powers.)
Who's territory was colonized? (HINT: Sovereign territory which transferred from the Ottoman/Turk Empire to the Allied Powers.)
Who was the colonial power? (HINT: There was not one. None of the Allied Powers engaged in Colonialism for their own benefit; in which indigenous populations are directly ruled or displaced as a original intent of the Allied Powers. Displacement was a direct result of the indigenous population (twice the size of the Jewish Settlers) posing a direct threat to regional peace.)

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian has been a disruptive influence and a force opposed to the maintenance of international and regional --- peace and security. The Arab Palestinian was not in the practice of demonstrating tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbors. The Arab Palestinian did not demonstrate the fulfillment in good faith of the obligation and duty to refrain in their relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State. The Arab Palestinian at no time, performed their duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco, you have babbled on about this many times. However, UN resolutions state that the Palestinians: Have the right to self determination without external interference. Have the right to independence and sovereignty. Have the right to territorial integrity. The UN also states that these rights predate the resolutions.

At what time did the Palestinians obtain these rights?

Under what circumstances were these rights obtained?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Gaza's Lively Palestinian Women

 

[toastman]

montelatici, et al,

Yes, I've heard this claim many times.

The point is that Europeans organized the colonization of Palestine by Europeans at the expense of the people living in Palestine. All your recent posts regarding the subject confirm that fact.

(QUESTIONS)

Who maintained the government control of the territory? (HINT: It was not the Arab Palestinian.)
What territory (expense) was taken from the Arab Palestinian? (HINT: None, the territory transferred from the Ottoman/Turk Empire to the Allied Powers.)
Who's territory was colonized? (HINT: Sovereign territory which transferred from the Ottoman/Turk Empire to the Allied Powers.)
Who was the colonial power? (HINT: There was not one. None of the Allied Powers engaged in Colonialism for their own benefit; in which indigenous populations are directly ruled or displaced as a original intent of the Allied Powers. Displacement was a direct result of the indigenous population (twice the size of the Jewish Settlers) posing a direct threat to regional peace.)

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinian has been a disruptive influence and a force opposed to the maintenance of international and regional --- peace and security. The Arab Palestinian was not in the practice of demonstrating tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbors. The Arab Palestinian did not demonstrate the fulfillment in good faith of the obligation and duty to refrain in their relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State. The Arab Palestinian at no time, performed their duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco, you have babbled on about this many times. However, UN resolutions state that the Palestinians: Have the right to self determination without external interference. Have the right to independence and sovereignty. Have the right to territorial integrity. The UN also states that these rights predate the resolutions.

At what time did the Palestinians obtain these rights?

Under what circumstances were these rights obtained?

So ?

 

[ChrisL]

Gaza's Lively Palestinian Women

Ba-ha-ha! More propaganda from Tinmore. They should think about such things before they behave like savages.

 

[ChrisL]

Gaza's Lively Palestinian Women

I really got a kick out of the sound track. Lol. That's funny.

 

[ChrisL]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Let's see if I can clean this up for you; so you don't have to interpret anything.

The Treaty of Sevres was never ratified. Why did you quote it?

Again, The treaty of Sevres was never ratified. It is meaningless.

Palestine's international boundaries were defined by 1922.

(COMMENT)

• Clarifying the Treaty of Sevres (1920)

The importance of the Treaty of Sevres (1920) --- and before the Treaty of Lausanne (1924) --- rests in an obscure and little known agreement [04/25/1920 Syria, Mesopotamia, Palestine mandates - San Remo conference - Resolution (Non-UN document)]

which stated in part that: "The terms of the mandates in respect of the above territories (Syria, Mesopotamia, Palestine) will be formulated by the Principal Allied Powers and submitted to the Council of the League of Nations for approval. Turkey hereby undertakes, in accordance with the provisions of Article [132 of the Treaty of Sevres] to accept any decisions which may be taken in this connection."

The Treaty itself did not have to be ratified in connection with the Mandates pertaining to Syria, Mesopotamia, Palestine; because those aspects where agreed to in the 1920 agreement. And that is why the Treaty of Lausanne is silent on the issue of Palestine. The Ottoman/Turkish Empire had already agreed to accept the decision of the Allied Powers in those territories --- four years earlier. While it is true that the Treaty of Sevres was not ratified, it was signed and it was subordinated to the San Remo Convention --- as you can see.​

• Clarifying the Boundaries of Palestine

EXTENSION OF CONTROL TO CERTAIN AREAS SOUTH OF BEERSHEBA. DELIMITATION OF THE
FRONTIER BETWEEN SYRIA ON THE ONE HAND AND PALESTINE AND TRANS-JORDAN ON THE OTHER.
Report to the Permanent Mandate Commission

"With regard to the two villages in the north of Palestine, Mr. Moody explained that the frontier between Syria, on the one hand, and Palestine and Trans-Jordan, on the other, was defined in the Franco-British Convention of 1920, but had not been delimited until 1931."​

End of Year Report December 1932

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.

The boundaries are described as follows:--

• South.--From a point west of Rafa on the Mediterranean to a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba.
• East.--From a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba up the centre of the Wadi Araba, the Dead Sea, and the River Jordan, to the junction of the latter with the River Yarmuk, thence up the centre of the River Yarmuk to the Syrian frontier.
• North.--The northern boundary was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Stated briefly, the boundary runs from Ras el Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to Metulla and across the upper Jordan valley to Banias, thence to Jisr Banat Yaqub, thence along the Jordan to the Lake of Tiberias on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line.
• West.--The Mediterranean Sea.

The relationship of Trans-Jordan and the Mandate for Palestine --- REPORT BY HIS BRITANNIC MAJESTY'S GOVERNMENT ON THE ADMINISTRATION UNDER MANDATE OF PALESTINE.

2. His Britannic Majesty is the Mandatory for Transjordan to which the terms of the mandate for Palestine, with the exception of the provisions dealing with the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people, are applicable. The declaration of His Majesty's Government with regard to its Mandatory obligations in Transjordan, made to the Council of League of Nations in September, 1922, (Cmd. 1785) was in the following terms:--

"In the application of the Mandate to Transjordan, the action which in Palestine is taken by the Administration of the latter country, will be taken by the Administration of Transjordan under the general supervision of the Mandatory.

"His Majesty's Government accept full responsibility as Mandatory for Transjordan, and undertake that such provision as may be made for the administration of that country in accordance with Article 25 of the Mandate shall be in no way inconsistent with those provisions of the Mandate which are not by this resolution declared inapplicable."​

X.--TRANS-JORDANIA. Interim Report of Civil Administration July 1921

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Problem is if we confuse him with documented facts, we may lose him on this board. Do we want to miss all the laughs he gives us?

You provide us with the best laughs, ignoring source documentation while not realizing that Rocco is making the Palestinian's point.

The other poster is right. You are good for a laugh!

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There is a great difference between:

• Having a right.
• The ability to exercise that right.

Rocco, you have babbled on about this many times. However, UN resolutions state that the Palestinians: Have the right to self determination without external interference. Have the right to independence and sovereignty. Have the right to territorial integrity. The UN also states that these rights predate the resolutions.

At what time did the Palestinians obtain these rights?

Under what circumstances were these rights obtained?

(REFERENCES)

Relative to your question, there are several historical references one should consider:

1919 League of Nations Covenant

Article 15 --- Clause 8: If the dispute between the parties is claimed by one of them, and is found by the Council, to arise out of a matter which by international law is solely within the domestic jurisdiction of that party, the Council shall so report, and shall make no recommendation as to its settlement.​

1945 UN Charter:

Chapter I --- Article 1, Clause 2: 2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
Chapter I --- Article 2, Clause 1: 1. The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.
Chapter I --- Article 2, Clause 4: 4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
Chapter IX --- Article 55: With a view to the creation of conditions of stability and well-being which are necessary for peaceful and friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, the United Nations shall promote:

a. higher standards of living, full employment, and conditions of economic and social progress and development;
b. solutions of international economic, social, health, and related problems; and international cultural and educational cooperation; and
c. universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion.​

1960 General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV). Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

√ based on respect for the principles of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples, and of universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,
√ the important role of the United Nations in assisting the movement for independence in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories
2.

All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.​

1974 General Assembly Resolution 3236 (XXIX). Question of Palestine

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;
(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;​

1981 General Assembly Resolution 36/103. Declaration on the Inadmissibility of Intervention and Interference in the Internal Affairs of States

Conscious of the imperative need for all foreign forces engaged in military occupation, intervention or interference to be completely withdrawn to their own territories, so that people under colonial domination, foreign occupation or racist regimes may freely and fully exercise their right to self-determination, so as to enable people of all States to administer their own affairs and determine their own political, economic and social system without external interference or control,​

1994 General Assembly Resolution 49/148. Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination

1. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights;
2. Declares its firm opposition to acts of foreign military intervention, aggression and occupation, since these have resulted in the suppression of the right of peoples to self-determination and other human rights in certain parts of the world;​

1996 General Assembly Resolution 50/172. Respect for the principles of national sovereignty and non-interference in the internal affairs of States in their electoral processes

1. Reiterates that, by virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, all peoples have the right, freely and without external interference, to determine their political status and to pursue their economic, social and cultural development, and that every State has the duty to respect that right in accordance with the provisions of the Charter;​

(COMMENT)

The acquisition of the various "rights" (self-determination without external interference; national independence and sovereignty) is a story of an evolutionary process that started in the early 20th Century; emphasis on the word "started." The Allied Powers and the Council LoN, became concerned over time at the continuation of acts by foreign
powers of intervention and occupation. And intervention and occupation threatened to suppress, the growth of nations through the right to self-determination for a number of sovereign peoples and nations. The LoN and it successor, the UN, began to articulate the concept more solidly as time moved on --- with the first linkage of the two sets of "rights" coming together in the 1960 Resolution on Independence to Colonial Countries [RES/1514 (XV)]. By 1981, the UN had linked three concepts together which relate the rights of: self-determination without external interference; independence and sovereignty; and Inadmissibility of Intervention and Interference. As you can see, the right of "non-intervention/intervention" came first (1919). Then, came the right of "self-determination" (1945 and 1960). Until the Resolution on Decolonization, the "principle" and concept" of self-determination was very vague; even today, the Palestinian does not know what it means. But it did not become a "right" of self-determination until 1960.

2012 General Assembly Resolution 66/17. Peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine
1. Reaffirms the necessity of achieving a peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine, the core of the Arab-Israeli conflict, in all its aspects, and of intensifying all efforts towards that end, and stresses in this regard the urgency of salvaging the prospects for realizing the two-State solution of Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security within recognized borders, based on the pre-1967 borders;
​

Again Paragraph 6 of the Declaration on Colonial Independence sets forth another fundamental principle to self-determination: "Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations." The final paragraph reiterates "the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity." As much as the Palestinian may not like it, the prevailing winds are towards a peaceful settlement, as opposed to Jihad and Armed Struggle, and the recognition of Israeli sovereign rights.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Let's see if I can clean this up for you; so you don't have to interpret anything.

The Treaty of Sevres was never ratified. Why did you quote it?

Again, The treaty of Sevres was never ratified. It is meaningless.

Palestine's international boundaries were defined by 1922.

(COMMENT)

• Clarifying the Treaty of Sevres (1920)

The importance of the Treaty of Sevres (1920) --- and before the Treaty of Lausanne (1924) --- rests in an obscure and little known agreement [04/25/1920 Syria, Mesopotamia, Palestine mandates - San Remo conference - Resolution (Non-UN document)]

which stated in part that: "The terms of the mandates in respect of the above territories (Syria, Mesopotamia, Palestine) will be formulated by the Principal Allied Powers and submitted to the Council of the League of Nations for approval. Turkey hereby undertakes, in accordance with the provisions of Article [132 of the Treaty of Sevres] to accept any decisions which may be taken in this connection."

The Treaty itself did not have to be ratified in connection with the Mandates pertaining to Syria, Mesopotamia, Palestine; because those aspects where agreed to in the 1920 agreement. And that is why the Treaty of Lausanne is silent on the issue of Palestine. The Ottoman/Turkish Empire had already agreed to accept the decision of the Allied Powers in those territories --- four years earlier. While it is true that the Treaty of Sevres was not ratified, it was signed and it was subordinated to the San Remo Convention --- as you can see.​

• Clarifying the Boundaries of Palestine

EXTENSION OF CONTROL TO CERTAIN AREAS SOUTH OF BEERSHEBA. DELIMITATION OF THE
FRONTIER BETWEEN SYRIA ON THE ONE HAND AND PALESTINE AND TRANS-JORDAN ON THE OTHER.
Report to the Permanent Mandate Commission

"With regard to the two villages in the north of Palestine, Mr. Moody explained that the frontier between Syria, on the one hand, and Palestine and Trans-Jordan, on the other, was defined in the Franco-British Convention of 1920, but had not been delimited until 1931."​

End of Year Report December 1932

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.

The boundaries are described as follows:--

• South.--From a point west of Rafa on the Mediterranean to a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba.
• East.--From a point two miles west of Aqaba in the Gulf of Aqaba up the centre of the Wadi Araba, the Dead Sea, and the River Jordan, to the junction of the latter with the River Yarmuk, thence up the centre of the River Yarmuk to the Syrian frontier.
• North.--The northern boundary was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Stated briefly, the boundary runs from Ras el Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to Metulla and across the upper Jordan valley to Banias, thence to Jisr Banat Yaqub, thence along the Jordan to the Lake of Tiberias on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line.
• West.--The Mediterranean Sea.

The relationship of Trans-Jordan and the Mandate for Palestine --- REPORT BY HIS BRITANNIC MAJESTY'S GOVERNMENT ON THE ADMINISTRATION UNDER MANDATE OF PALESTINE.

2. His Britannic Majesty is the Mandatory for Transjordan to which the terms of the mandate for Palestine, with the exception of the provisions dealing with the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people, are applicable. The declaration of His Majesty's Government with regard to its Mandatory obligations in Transjordan, made to the Council of League of Nations in September, 1922, (Cmd. 1785) was in the following terms:--

"In the application of the Mandate to Transjordan, the action which in Palestine is taken by the Administration of the latter country, will be taken by the Administration of Transjordan under the general supervision of the Mandatory.

"His Majesty's Government accept full responsibility as Mandatory for Transjordan, and undertake that such provision as may be made for the administration of that country in accordance with Article 25 of the Mandate shall be in no way inconsistent with those provisions of the Mandate which are not by this resolution declared inapplicable."​

X.--TRANS-JORDANIA. Interim Report of Civil Administration July 1921

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Problem is if we confuse him with documented facts, we may lose him on this board. Do we want to miss all the laughs he gives us?

You provide us with the best laughs, ignoring source documentation while not realizing that Rocco is making the Palestinian's point.

Do you mean edited and abridged pamphlets sold as fiction, you know those "source" documents you provide written by a committee and then edited and reworked by a publishing house. As opposed to actual treaties and minutes of meetings

 

[Phoenall]

The point is that Europeans organized the colonization of Palestine by Europeans at the expense of the people living in Palestine. All your recent posts regarding the subject confirm that fact.

And you would be wrong once again on this as the original invitees were Ottoman muslims who wanted to colonise Palestine with the Jews because the arab muslims refused. Do you feel idiotic yet Abdul after getting your history so wrong. Whats the saying about muslims getting 3 chances, well the Ottomans tried to colonise Palestine with arab muslims 3 times and each time the arab muslims went back to Syria or Egypt.

 

[Mindful]

montelatici, et al,

Their point of departure is of no consequence.

montelatici, et al,

European settlers did not take ANY LAND.

How did the European settlers take the land from the Christians and Muslims Rocco?

(COMMENT)

The Jewish immigrants under the Mandate, completed the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" as adopted by the General Assembly; --- and exercising their right to self determination.

Most Respectfully,
R

But, they came from another continent and did evict the local inhabitants through violent conquest. They certainly have a right to self determination, but not at the expense of the people already living in the area on another continent. It's like saying the Treaty of Tordesillas had any legal validity.

(COMMENT)

The same body that wrote all the other international laws, determined the solution. It was a basic objective in the original Mandate. It fulfilled the goal of establishing a Jewish National Home.

The Arab Palestinian rejected participation in the process that ultimately created the conditions that allowed the establishment of the State of Israel.

The decisions and path the Arab Palestinian took, the path that they embraced --- Jihad and Armed Struggle --- was the means of solving international disputes they chose; including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.

The Arab Palestinian, as a matter of publish Policy objected to settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, or other peaceful means of their choice IAW the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where in the treaties or in the mandate did anyone call for an exclusive Jewish state?

Israel is in Palestine. Where is the international dispute?

Pray tell me where Jordan is?

 

[Greeneyedlady]

east of Israel. Look at a map.

 

[Mindful]

east of Israel. Look at a map.

I'm looking. Are you always this dim?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There is a great difference between:

• Having a right.
• The ability to exercise that right.

Rocco, you have babbled on about this many times. However, UN resolutions state that the Palestinians: Have the right to self determination without external interference. Have the right to independence and sovereignty. Have the right to territorial integrity. The UN also states that these rights predate the resolutions.

At what time did the Palestinians obtain these rights?

Under what circumstances were these rights obtained?

(REFERENCES)

Relative to your question, there are several historical references one should consider:

1919 League of Nations Covenant

Article 15 --- Clause 8: If the dispute between the parties is claimed by one of them, and is found by the Council, to arise out of a matter which by international law is solely within the domestic jurisdiction of that party, the Council shall so report, and shall make no recommendation as to its settlement.​

1945 UN Charter:

Chapter I --- Article 1, Clause 2: 2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
Chapter I --- Article 2, Clause 1: 1. The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.
Chapter I --- Article 2, Clause 4: 4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
Chapter IX --- Article 55: With a view to the creation of conditions of stability and well-being which are necessary for peaceful and friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, the United Nations shall promote:

a. higher standards of living, full employment, and conditions of economic and social progress and development;
b. solutions of international economic, social, health, and related problems; and international cultural and educational cooperation; and
c. universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion.​

1960 General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV). Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

√ based on respect for the principles of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples, and of universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,
√ the important role of the United Nations in assisting the movement for independence in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories
2.

All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.​

1974 General Assembly Resolution 3236 (XXIX). Question of Palestine

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;
(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;​

1981 General Assembly Resolution 36/103. Declaration on the Inadmissibility of Intervention and Interference in the Internal Affairs of States

Conscious of the imperative need for all foreign forces engaged in military occupation, intervention or interference to be completely withdrawn to their own territories, so that people under colonial domination, foreign occupation or racist regimes may freely and fully exercise their right to self-determination, so as to enable people of all States to administer their own affairs and determine their own political, economic and social system without external interference or control,​

1994 General Assembly Resolution 49/148. Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination

1. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights;
2. Declares its firm opposition to acts of foreign military intervention, aggression and occupation, since these have resulted in the suppression of the right of peoples to self-determination and other human rights in certain parts of the world;​

1996 General Assembly Resolution 50/172. Respect for the principles of national sovereignty and non-interference in the internal affairs of States in their electoral processes

1. Reiterates that, by virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, all peoples have the right, freely and without external interference, to determine their political status and to pursue their economic, social and cultural development, and that every State has the duty to respect that right in accordance with the provisions of the Charter;​

(COMMENT)

The acquisition of the various "rights" (self-determination without external interference; national independence and sovereignty) is a story of an evolutionary process that started in the early 20th Century; emphasis on the word "started." The Allied Powers and the Council LoN, became concerned over time at the continuation of acts by foreign
powers of intervention and occupation. And intervention and occupation threatened to suppress, the growth of nations through the right to self-determination for a number of sovereign peoples and nations. The LoN and it successor, the UN, began to articulate the concept more solidly as time moved on --- with the first linkage of the two sets of "rights" coming together in the 1960 Resolution on Independence to Colonial Countries [RES/1514 (XV)]. By 1981, the UN had linked three concepts together which relate the rights of: self-determination without external interference; independence and sovereignty; and Inadmissibility of Intervention and Interference. As you can see, the right of "non-intervention/intervention" came first (1919). Then, came the right of "self-determination" (1945 and 1960). Until the Resolution on Decolonization, the "principle" and concept" of self-determination was very vague; even today, the Palestinian does not know what it means. But it did not become a "right" of self-determination until 1960.

2012 General Assembly Resolution 66/17. Peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine
1. Reaffirms the necessity of achieving a peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine, the core of the Arab-Israeli conflict, in all its aspects, and of intensifying all efforts towards that end, and stresses in this regard the urgency of salvaging the prospects for realizing the two-State solution of Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security within recognized borders, based on the pre-1967 borders;
​

Again Paragraph 6 of the Declaration on Colonial Independence sets forth another fundamental principle to self-determination: "Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations." The final paragraph reiterates "the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity." As much as the Palestinian may not like it, the prevailing winds are towards a peaceful settlement, as opposed to Jihad and Armed Struggle, and the recognition of Israeli sovereign rights.

Most Respectfully,
R

Holy smokescreen, Batman, where exactly in all that did you answer these questions?

At what time did the Palestinians obtain these rights?

Under what circumstances were these rights obtained?

Again Paragraph 6 of the Declaration on Colonial Independence sets forth another fundamental principle to self-determination: "Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations." The final paragraph reiterates "the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity." As much as the Palestinian may not like it, the prevailing winds are towards a peaceful settlement, as opposed to Jihad and Armed Struggle, and the recognition of Israeli sovereign rights.​

This begs the questions:

What were Palestine's international borders at the time of this resolution? (1960)

What were Israel's international borders?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There is a great difference between:

• Having a right.
• The ability to exercise that right.

Rocco, you have babbled on about this many times. However, UN resolutions state that the Palestinians: Have the right to self determination without external interference. Have the right to independence and sovereignty. Have the right to territorial integrity. The UN also states that these rights predate the resolutions.

At what time did the Palestinians obtain these rights?

Under what circumstances were these rights obtained?

(REFERENCES)

Relative to your question, there are several historical references one should consider:

1919 League of Nations Covenant

Article 15 --- Clause 8: If the dispute between the parties is claimed by one of them, and is found by the Council, to arise out of a matter which by international law is solely within the domestic jurisdiction of that party, the Council shall so report, and shall make no recommendation as to its settlement.​

1945 UN Charter:

Chapter I --- Article 1, Clause 2: 2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
Chapter I --- Article 2, Clause 1: 1. The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.
Chapter I --- Article 2, Clause 4: 4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
Chapter IX --- Article 55: With a view to the creation of conditions of stability and well-being which are necessary for peaceful and friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, the United Nations shall promote:

a. higher standards of living, full employment, and conditions of economic and social progress and development;
b. solutions of international economic, social, health, and related problems; and international cultural and educational cooperation; and
c. universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion.​

1960 General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV). Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

√ based on respect for the principles of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples, and of universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,
√ the important role of the United Nations in assisting the movement for independence in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories
2.

All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.​

1974 General Assembly Resolution 3236 (XXIX). Question of Palestine

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;
(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;​

1981 General Assembly Resolution 36/103. Declaration on the Inadmissibility of Intervention and Interference in the Internal Affairs of States

Conscious of the imperative need for all foreign forces engaged in military occupation, intervention or interference to be completely withdrawn to their own territories, so that people under colonial domination, foreign occupation or racist regimes may freely and fully exercise their right to self-determination, so as to enable people of all States to administer their own affairs and determine their own political, economic and social system without external interference or control,​

1994 General Assembly Resolution 49/148. Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination

1. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights;
2. Declares its firm opposition to acts of foreign military intervention, aggression and occupation, since these have resulted in the suppression of the right of peoples to self-determination and other human rights in certain parts of the world;​

1996 General Assembly Resolution 50/172. Respect for the principles of national sovereignty and non-interference in the internal affairs of States in their electoral processes

1. Reiterates that, by virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, all peoples have the right, freely and without external interference, to determine their political status and to pursue their economic, social and cultural development, and that every State has the duty to respect that right in accordance with the provisions of the Charter;​

(COMMENT)

The acquisition of the various "rights" (self-determination without external interference; national independence and sovereignty) is a story of an evolutionary process that started in the early 20th Century; emphasis on the word "started." The Allied Powers and the Council LoN, became concerned over time at the continuation of acts by foreign
powers of intervention and occupation. And intervention and occupation threatened to suppress, the growth of nations through the right to self-determination for a number of sovereign peoples and nations. The LoN and it successor, the UN, began to articulate the concept more solidly as time moved on --- with the first linkage of the two sets of "rights" coming together in the 1960 Resolution on Independence to Colonial Countries [RES/1514 (XV)]. By 1981, the UN had linked three concepts together which relate the rights of: self-determination without external interference; independence and sovereignty; and Inadmissibility of Intervention and Interference. As you can see, the right of "non-intervention/intervention" came first (1919). Then, came the right of "self-determination" (1945 and 1960). Until the Resolution on Decolonization, the "principle" and concept" of self-determination was very vague; even today, the Palestinian does not know what it means. But it did not become a "right" of self-determination until 1960.

2012 General Assembly Resolution 66/17. Peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine
1. Reaffirms the necessity of achieving a peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine, the core of the Arab-Israeli conflict, in all its aspects, and of intensifying all efforts towards that end, and stresses in this regard the urgency of salvaging the prospects for realizing the two-State solution of Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security within recognized borders, based on the pre-1967 borders;
​

Again Paragraph 6 of the Declaration on Colonial Independence sets forth another fundamental principle to self-determination: "Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations." The final paragraph reiterates "the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity." As much as the Palestinian may not like it, the prevailing winds are towards a peaceful settlement, as opposed to Jihad and Armed Struggle, and the recognition of Israeli sovereign rights.

Most Respectfully,
R

Holy smokescreen, Batman, where exactly in all that did you answer these questions?

At what time did the Palestinians obtain these rights?

Under what circumstances were these rights obtained?

Again Paragraph 6 of the Declaration on Colonial Independence sets forth another fundamental principle to self-determination: "Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations." The final paragraph reiterates "the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity." As much as the Palestinian may not like it, the prevailing winds are towards a peaceful settlement, as opposed to Jihad and Armed Struggle, and the recognition of Israeli sovereign rights.​

This begs the questions:

What were Palestine's international borders at the time of this resolution? (1960)

What were Israel's international borders?

1948 and they acted on them in 1949 when they agreed to go with Jordan and Egypt. It was not Israel that took those rights away from them but outside foreign (arab muslim) influences.

Palestine the nation did not exist until 1988 so in 1960 it had no borders, Palestine the Mandate did have borders and they are set down in the Mandate for Palestine. Israel had no borders until it negotiated them with its neighbours as required by UN res 242. This same Resolution is legally binding on the Palestinians as they set it in their declaration of independence, so why are they refusing to negotiate the borders ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There is a great difference between:

• Having a right.
• The ability to exercise that right.

Rocco, you have babbled on about this many times. However, UN resolutions state that the Palestinians: Have the right to self determination without external interference. Have the right to independence and sovereignty. Have the right to territorial integrity. The UN also states that these rights predate the resolutions.

At what time did the Palestinians obtain these rights?

Under what circumstances were these rights obtained?

(REFERENCES)

Relative to your question, there are several historical references one should consider:

1919 League of Nations Covenant

Article 15 --- Clause 8: If the dispute between the parties is claimed by one of them, and is found by the Council, to arise out of a matter which by international law is solely within the domestic jurisdiction of that party, the Council shall so report, and shall make no recommendation as to its settlement.​

1945 UN Charter:

Chapter I --- Article 1, Clause 2: 2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
Chapter I --- Article 2, Clause 1: 1. The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.
Chapter I --- Article 2, Clause 4: 4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
Chapter IX --- Article 55: With a view to the creation of conditions of stability and well-being which are necessary for peaceful and friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, the United Nations shall promote:

a. higher standards of living, full employment, and conditions of economic and social progress and development;
b. solutions of international economic, social, health, and related problems; and international cultural and educational cooperation; and
c. universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion.​

1960 General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV). Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

√ based on respect for the principles of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples, and of universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,
√ the important role of the United Nations in assisting the movement for independence in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories
2.

All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.​

1974 General Assembly Resolution 3236 (XXIX). Question of Palestine

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;
(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;​

1981 General Assembly Resolution 36/103. Declaration on the Inadmissibility of Intervention and Interference in the Internal Affairs of States

Conscious of the imperative need for all foreign forces engaged in military occupation, intervention or interference to be completely withdrawn to their own territories, so that people under colonial domination, foreign occupation or racist regimes may freely and fully exercise their right to self-determination, so as to enable people of all States to administer their own affairs and determine their own political, economic and social system without external interference or control,​

1994 General Assembly Resolution 49/148. Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination

1. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights;
2. Declares its firm opposition to acts of foreign military intervention, aggression and occupation, since these have resulted in the suppression of the right of peoples to self-determination and other human rights in certain parts of the world;​

1996 General Assembly Resolution 50/172. Respect for the principles of national sovereignty and non-interference in the internal affairs of States in their electoral processes

1. Reiterates that, by virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, all peoples have the right, freely and without external interference, to determine their political status and to pursue their economic, social and cultural development, and that every State has the duty to respect that right in accordance with the provisions of the Charter;​

(COMMENT)

The acquisition of the various "rights" (self-determination without external interference; national independence and sovereignty) is a story of an evolutionary process that started in the early 20th Century; emphasis on the word "started." The Allied Powers and the Council LoN, became concerned over time at the continuation of acts by foreign
powers of intervention and occupation. And intervention and occupation threatened to suppress, the growth of nations through the right to self-determination for a number of sovereign peoples and nations. The LoN and it successor, the UN, began to articulate the concept more solidly as time moved on --- with the first linkage of the two sets of "rights" coming together in the 1960 Resolution on Independence to Colonial Countries [RES/1514 (XV)]. By 1981, the UN had linked three concepts together which relate the rights of: self-determination without external interference; independence and sovereignty; and Inadmissibility of Intervention and Interference. As you can see, the right of "non-intervention/intervention" came first (1919). Then, came the right of "self-determination" (1945 and 1960). Until the Resolution on Decolonization, the "principle" and concept" of self-determination was very vague; even today, the Palestinian does not know what it means. But it did not become a "right" of self-determination until 1960.

2012 General Assembly Resolution 66/17. Peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine
1. Reaffirms the necessity of achieving a peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine, the core of the Arab-Israeli conflict, in all its aspects, and of intensifying all efforts towards that end, and stresses in this regard the urgency of salvaging the prospects for realizing the two-State solution of Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security within recognized borders, based on the pre-1967 borders;
​

Again Paragraph 6 of the Declaration on Colonial Independence sets forth another fundamental principle to self-determination: "Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations." The final paragraph reiterates "the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity." As much as the Palestinian may not like it, the prevailing winds are towards a peaceful settlement, as opposed to Jihad and Armed Struggle, and the recognition of Israeli sovereign rights.

Most Respectfully,
R

Holy smokescreen, Batman, where exactly in all that did you answer these questions?

At what time did the Palestinians obtain these rights?

Under what circumstances were these rights obtained?

Again Paragraph 6 of the Declaration on Colonial Independence sets forth another fundamental principle to self-determination: "Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations." The final paragraph reiterates "the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity." As much as the Palestinian may not like it, the prevailing winds are towards a peaceful settlement, as opposed to Jihad and Armed Struggle, and the recognition of Israeli sovereign rights.​

This begs the questions:

What were Palestine's international borders at the time of this resolution? (1960)

What were Israel's international borders?

1948 and they acted on them in 1949 when they agreed to go with Jordan and Egypt. It was not Israel that took those rights away from them but outside foreign (arab muslim) influences.

Palestine the nation did not exist until 1988 so in 1960 it had no borders, Palestine the Mandate did have borders and they are set down in the Mandate for Palestine. Israel had no borders until it negotiated them with its neighbours as required by UN res 242. This same Resolution is legally binding on the Palestinians as they set it in their declaration of independence, so why are they refusing to negotiate the borders ?

When did they get the right to negotiate borders?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There is a great difference between:

• Having a right.
• The ability to exercise that right.

Rocco, you have babbled on about this many times. However, UN resolutions state that the Palestinians: Have the right to self determination without external interference. Have the right to independence and sovereignty. Have the right to territorial integrity. The UN also states that these rights predate the resolutions.

At what time did the Palestinians obtain these rights?

Under what circumstances were these rights obtained?

(REFERENCES)

Relative to your question, there are several historical references one should consider:

1919 League of Nations Covenant

Article 15 --- Clause 8: If the dispute between the parties is claimed by one of them, and is found by the Council, to arise out of a matter which by international law is solely within the domestic jurisdiction of that party, the Council shall so report, and shall make no recommendation as to its settlement.​

1945 UN Charter:

Chapter I --- Article 1, Clause 2: 2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
Chapter I --- Article 2, Clause 1: 1. The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.
Chapter I --- Article 2, Clause 4: 4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
Chapter IX --- Article 55: With a view to the creation of conditions of stability and well-being which are necessary for peaceful and friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, the United Nations shall promote:

a. higher standards of living, full employment, and conditions of economic and social progress and development;
b. solutions of international economic, social, health, and related problems; and international cultural and educational cooperation; and
c. universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion.​

1960 General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV). Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

√ based on respect for the principles of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples, and of universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,
√ the important role of the United Nations in assisting the movement for independence in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories
2.

All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.​

1974 General Assembly Resolution 3236 (XXIX). Question of Palestine

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;
(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;​

1981 General Assembly Resolution 36/103. Declaration on the Inadmissibility of Intervention and Interference in the Internal Affairs of States

Conscious of the imperative need for all foreign forces engaged in military occupation, intervention or interference to be completely withdrawn to their own territories, so that people under colonial domination, foreign occupation or racist regimes may freely and fully exercise their right to self-determination, so as to enable people of all States to administer their own affairs and determine their own political, economic and social system without external interference or control,​

1994 General Assembly Resolution 49/148. Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination

1. Reaffirms that the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including those under colonial, foreign and alien domination, to self-determination is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights;
2. Declares its firm opposition to acts of foreign military intervention, aggression and occupation, since these have resulted in the suppression of the right of peoples to self-determination and other human rights in certain parts of the world;​

1996 General Assembly Resolution 50/172. Respect for the principles of national sovereignty and non-interference in the internal affairs of States in their electoral processes

1. Reiterates that, by virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, all peoples have the right, freely and without external interference, to determine their political status and to pursue their economic, social and cultural development, and that every State has the duty to respect that right in accordance with the provisions of the Charter;​

(COMMENT)

The acquisition of the various "rights" (self-determination without external interference; national independence and sovereignty) is a story of an evolutionary process that started in the early 20th Century; emphasis on the word "started." The Allied Powers and the Council LoN, became concerned over time at the continuation of acts by foreign
powers of intervention and occupation. And intervention and occupation threatened to suppress, the growth of nations through the right to self-determination for a number of sovereign peoples and nations. The LoN and it successor, the UN, began to articulate the concept more solidly as time moved on --- with the first linkage of the two sets of "rights" coming together in the 1960 Resolution on Independence to Colonial Countries [RES/1514 (XV)]. By 1981, the UN had linked three concepts together which relate the rights of: self-determination without external interference; independence and sovereignty; and Inadmissibility of Intervention and Interference. As you can see, the right of "non-intervention/intervention" came first (1919). Then, came the right of "self-determination" (1945 and 1960). Until the Resolution on Decolonization, the "principle" and concept" of self-determination was very vague; even today, the Palestinian does not know what it means. But it did not become a "right" of self-determination until 1960.

2012 General Assembly Resolution 66/17. Peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine
1. Reaffirms the necessity of achieving a peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine, the core of the Arab-Israeli conflict, in all its aspects, and of intensifying all efforts towards that end, and stresses in this regard the urgency of salvaging the prospects for realizing the two-State solution of Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security within recognized borders, based on the pre-1967 borders;
​

Again Paragraph 6 of the Declaration on Colonial Independence sets forth another fundamental principle to self-determination: "Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations." The final paragraph reiterates "the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity." As much as the Palestinian may not like it, the prevailing winds are towards a peaceful settlement, as opposed to Jihad and Armed Struggle, and the recognition of Israeli sovereign rights.

Most Respectfully,
R

Holy smokescreen, Batman, where exactly in all that did you answer these questions?

At what time did the Palestinians obtain these rights?

Under what circumstances were these rights obtained?

Again Paragraph 6 of the Declaration on Colonial Independence sets forth another fundamental principle to self-determination: "Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations." The final paragraph reiterates "the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity." As much as the Palestinian may not like it, the prevailing winds are towards a peaceful settlement, as opposed to Jihad and Armed Struggle, and the recognition of Israeli sovereign rights.​

This begs the questions:

What were Palestine's international borders at the time of this resolution? (1960)

What were Israel's international borders?

1948 and they acted on them in 1949 when they agreed to go with Jordan and Egypt. It was not Israel that took those rights away from them but outside foreign (arab muslim) influences.

Palestine the nation did not exist until 1988 so in 1960 it had no borders, Palestine the Mandate did have borders and they are set down in the Mandate for Palestine. Israel had no borders until it negotiated them with its neighbours as required by UN res 242. This same Resolution is legally binding on the Palestinians as they set it in their declaration of independence, so why are they refusing to negotiate the borders ?

When did they get the right to negotiate borders?

1988 when they declared independence and agreed to be tied by UN res 242 on peace and mutual borders. They have refused to even meet unless non existent borders are first put in place and illegal demands met.

 

[Greeneyedlady]

There is no Palestine. It was a geographical region not a country.

 

[Phoenall]

There is no Palestine. It was a geographical region not a country.

The arab muslim dregs of society gained nation status in 1988, but have done nothing worthwhile with it since.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is no Palestine. It was a geographical region not a country.

Who told you that? Israel?

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937 ​