Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Hollie]

Todays factions within the Arab Palestinian movements have not advanced much in their ideology, political theory and cultural dynamics in the interval between Kanafani and today.

Yep, still occupied.

Slogans don’t make false narratives a reality.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And like many of the time, Kanafani found himself imitating people like Che Guevara (1928 – 1967)

However, he never picked up a gun but Israel killed him anyway. Like
Khalida Jarrar who has never even picked up a rock but has spent years in Israeli jails.

Incitement does not necessarily involve picking up a rock. Yes, you want to excuse criminality when those excuses calm an emotional requirement for Jew hating.

Interesting, could you give some examples of this so called incitement?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Boundaries again...
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Palestine had no international borders until Israel was established. The territory to which the Mandate Applied and later the Trusteeship, had demarcations under the Sikes-Picot Agreement (Zones "A" and "B") from the Persian Frontier to the Mediterranean Sea. These two zones were then partitioned into Mandate Areas.

have never abandon the idea that they had an inherent post-War claim to the entirety of the territory

Do you mean like the territory inside their international borders?

(COMMENT)

The two central Treaties that came as a result of the San Remo Convention (April 1920) were:

◈ Franco-British Convention of 23 December 1920.​

◈ Franco-Turkish Agreement of the 20th October 1921.​

You get this wrong every time. It is a mistaken concept that has been repeated over and over again without a fact-check. Then passed on to the uneducated as though it were some sort of truth.

By Treaty between these two Principle Allied Powers established the boundaries between the territories under the French mandates of Syria and the Lebanon on the one hand and the British mandates of Mesopotamia and Palestine.

What you are calling "international borders" are actually the "boundaries" that two Allied Powers agreed to administer.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

The territory to which the Mandate Applied and later the Trusteeship,

The Mandates never acquired any territory. The territories were transferred directly to the new states.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Definitions and Meanings
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You have again tried to change the definition and misdirect the reader.

INCITEMENT: the act of encouraging someone to do or feel something unpleasant or violent:​

• Fallacy → Definitional retreat – changing the meaning of​

a word to deal with an objection raised against the original wording.​

• Fallacy → Genetic fallacy – where a conclusion is suggested​

based solely on something or someone’s origin rather than​

its current meaning or context​

And like many of the time, Kanafani found himself imitating people like Che Guevara (1928 – 1967)

However, he never picked up a gun but Israel killed him anyway. Like
Khalida Jarrar who has never even picked up a rock but has spent years in Israeli jails.

(COMMENT)

While "incitement" can involve the use of a weapon of some sort, that is not an element of the meaning of incitement. The two individuals you mentioned were NOT involved in the use of a weapon (as far as I know). None the less, they both were the proximate cause of violent actions taken by others.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

The Mandates never acquired any territory. The territories were transferred directly to the new states.

What "new states"?

Odd that you repeat a falsehood as though it's true. Seems like a rather desperate delusion.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Transfer of territory (NONE)
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You are wrong. At the time of the Treaty of Lausanne, no "New States" had yet been created.

The territory to which the Mandate Applied and later the Trusteeship,

The Mandates never acquired any territory. The territories were transferred directly to the new states.

(COMMENT)

The Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic DID NOT transfer any territory. The Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic renounced all rights and title (Article 16 - pertaining to territory outside Turkey) to the Allied Powers.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

And like many of the time, Kanafani found himself imitating people like Che Guevara (1928 – 1967)

However, he never picked up a gun but Israel killed him anyway. Like
Khalida Jarrar who has never even picked up a rock but has spent years in Israeli jails.

Incitement does not necessarily involve picking up a rock. Yes, you want to excuse criminality when those excuses calm an emotional requirement for Jew hating.

Interesting, could you give some examples of this so called incitement?

I certainly could. You also can find examples.

Could you identify these "new states" you claim were created by the Treaty of Lausanne? I read through the text and found nothing that names "new states".

 

[Hollie]

The territory to which the Mandate Applied and later the Trusteeship,

The Mandates never acquired any territory. The territories were transferred directly to the new states.

Treaty of Lausanne - World War I Document Archive

wwi.lib.byu.edu

No indication of "new states" you claim were invented.

Is there a different version at your madrassah?

 

[Hollie]

Apartheid, I tell ya'.

An Arab-Moslem selling land to a Jew will be fatwa'ed and the angry Moslems will even come for your children.

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Arab “traitors” selling land to Jews must be pursued until they “go to hell” - ‎official PA daily columnist
Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Apr 30, 2021
As part of the PA’s recent outcry over Arabs in the Silwan neighborhood of ‎Jerusalem selling property to Jews, the official PA daily published an op-ed that laid ‎out severe measures to “take revenge” on Arab land sellers. ‎

Describing the “illegal transfer of property” as “betrayal of the homeland” and ‎‎“treason,” Omar Hilmi Al-Ghoul, a regular columnist for the paper, suggested ‎making a blacklist of the “collaborators” to be distributed “even in kindergartens” in ‎order to “incite against” the land sellers. He also advocated that families renounce ‎any members selling land to “Zionists” and cited the PA’s religious ruling that land ‎sellers must be excommunicated and no longer considered members of the Islamic ‎faith.‎

Headline: “The illegal transfer of property –betrayal of the homeland”‎
“Betraying the homeland is a curse that will pursue the one who commits ‎it to the end of his days, in this world and the next. It cannot be swallowed, ‎justified, or covered up – whoever becomes entangled in [treason] is a ‎criminal, heretic, and is cursed until judgment day…‎
The matter of selling Arab Palestinian properties and lands to Zionist groups ‎and gangs and to their extremist right-wing government requires a wide plan ‎of action that includes an effective popular response, and a strong arm that ‎can nip every collaborator in the bud regardless of his status, position, name, ‎and family name. The national measures that will ensure taking care of the ‎collaborators include:‎
1. The family must renounce its child, but this is not enough – he must be ‎removed and isolated in his home until he leaves it [to go] to hell and to ‎his evil fate.‎
2. It must be explicitly announced not to pray for him, whether he is Muslim or ‎Christian, and also not to agree to bury him in the Islamic or Christian ‎cemeteries. This is due to the fatwa (i.e., religious ruling) of [Head of the ‎Supreme Muslim Council] Sheikh Ikrima Sabri, and he [must be] declared ‎excommunicated. This will be documented by the relevant authorities in ‎order to continue pursuing him after death.‎

 

[Hollie]

Miami is a long way from the islamic occupied territories of Gaza and the West Bank but the Islamic gee-had knows no borders or geography. The holy warrior dregs teaching the next generation of gee-had wannabes believe they are back in those 8th century days of conquest and murder for their religion.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Miami is a long way from the islamic occupied territories of Gaza and the West Bank but the Islamic gee-had knows no borders or geography. The holy warrior dregs teaching the next generation of gee-had wannabes believe they are back in those 8th century days of conquest and murder for their religion.

Why not? Money for nothing and chicks for free........

 

[P F Tinmore]

Apartheid, I tell ya'.

An Arab-Moslem selling land to a Jew will be fatwa'ed and the angry Moslems will even come for your children.

Palestinian Media Watch - A window to Palestinian society | PMW

Palestinian Media Watch is a research institute that studies Palestinian society from a broad range of perspectives by monitoring and analyzing the Palestinian Authority through its media and schoolbooks. PMW’s major focus is on the messages that the Palestinian leaders send to the population.

www.palwatch.org

Arab “traitors” selling land to Jews must be pursued until they “go to hell” - ‎official PA daily columnist
Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Apr 30, 2021
As part of the PA’s recent outcry over Arabs in the Silwan neighborhood of ‎Jerusalem selling property to Jews, the official PA daily published an op-ed that laid ‎out severe measures to “take revenge” on Arab land sellers. ‎

Describing the “illegal transfer of property” as “betrayal of the homeland” and ‎‎“treason,” Omar Hilmi Al-Ghoul, a regular columnist for the paper, suggested ‎making a blacklist of the “collaborators” to be distributed “even in kindergartens” in ‎order to “incite against” the land sellers. He also advocated that families renounce ‎any members selling land to “Zionists” and cited the PA’s religious ruling that land ‎sellers must be excommunicated and no longer considered members of the Islamic ‎faith.‎

Headline: “The illegal transfer of property –betrayal of the homeland”‎
“Betraying the homeland is a curse that will pursue the one who commits ‎it to the end of his days, in this world and the next. It cannot be swallowed, ‎justified, or covered up – whoever becomes entangled in [treason] is a ‎criminal, heretic, and is cursed until judgment day…‎
The matter of selling Arab Palestinian properties and lands to Zionist groups ‎and gangs and to their extremist right-wing government requires a wide plan ‎of action that includes an effective popular response, and a strong arm that ‎can nip every collaborator in the bud regardless of his status, position, name, ‎and family name. The national measures that will ensure taking care of the ‎collaborators include:‎
1. The family must renounce its child, but this is not enough – he must be ‎removed and isolated in his home until he leaves it [to go] to hell and to ‎his evil fate.‎
2. It must be explicitly announced not to pray for him, whether he is Muslim or ‎Christian, and also not to agree to bury him in the Islamic or Christian ‎cemeteries. This is due to the fatwa (i.e., religious ruling) of [Head of the ‎Supreme Muslim Council] Sheikh Ikrima Sabri, and he [must be] declared ‎excommunicated. This will be documented by the relevant authorities in ‎order to continue pursuing him after death.‎

What happens when a Palestinian buys land in Israel?

 

[Hollie]

“I dunt need no steekin’ excuses”

Some sources are indicating Emir Abbas has options which would have allowed elections (of a sort) to proceed in the Islamic occupied territories.

Whether the Emir had any intentions of proceeding with elections is unknown but after a health check-up in Germany during early April, maybe he decided he has a few good years left to bilk the UNRWA welfare fraud.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/abbas-palestinian-elections-postpone-barghouti-jerusalem

Mahmoud Abbas was offered at least four solutions to allow the first Palestinian elections in 15 years to move forward next month instead of shelving them, a Palestinian official with direct knowledge of election plans told Middle East Eye.

 

[Hollie]

What happens when a Palestinian buys land in Israel?

What happens?

 

[Hollie]

Some expected bluster coming out of Hamas mouthpieces. They have a chance to gain political and economic influence so there's a lot at stake for them.

MSN

www.msn.com

Ahead of expectations that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party will seek on Thursday to delay the country's upcoming election, the Islamic militant group Hamas voiced its disapproval, saying it will not be party to a postponement.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

She never identified any of those “new states” you claim were created by the Treaty of Lausanne.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

Did the judge make a finding of fact about those “new states” you claim were invented by the Treaty of Lausanne?