P F Tinmore
Diamond Member
- Dec 6, 2009
- 83,183
- 4,673
- 1,815
You believe that foreign military force can negate Palestine's right to sovereignty.◈ Which Palestine sovereignty are you speaking of?
So then, what is the meaning of non aggression?
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
You believe that foreign military force can negate Palestine's right to sovereignty.◈ Which Palestine sovereignty are you speaking of?
◈ Which Palestine sovereignty are you speaking of?
(COMMENT)You believe that foreign military force can negate Palestine's right to sovereignty.
So then, what is the meaning of non aggression?
Indeed, that is correct and that is what I have been saying for years. Many times UN resolutions have confirmed that the Palestinians have the right to sovereignty, They have also stated that the Palestinians right to sovereignty has been violated by external military occupation.You have, as I recall, often used the phrase "sovereignty without external interference." When we talk about "sovereignty" in general, we are speaking of a government (governing body) to exercise full power and control (de facto sovereignty) without external interference. The keyword here is "external" interference.
You have, as I recall, often used the phrase "sovereignty without external interference." When we talk about "sovereignty" in general, we are speaking of a government (governing body) to exercise full power and control (de facto sovereignty) without external interference. The keyword here is "external" interference.
(COMMENT)Indeed, that is correct and that is what I have been saying for years. Many times UN resolutions have confirmed that the Palestinians have the right to sovereignty, They have also stated that the Palestinians right to sovereignty has been violated by external military occupation.
Remember it was Israel that attacked, expelled, and occupied the Palestinians. Israel was (is) the aggressor. It is the Palestinians rights that are violated.Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State.
Palestine has been under military occupation for over 70 years. They are allowed to do almost nothing.(Not in over 70 years.)
indeed, what attack?Remember it was Israel that attacked, expelled, and occupied the Palestinians. Israel was (is) the aggressor. It is the Palestinians rights that are violated.Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State.
What Pally sovereign territory has been occupied?Palestine has been under military occupation for over 70 years. They are allowed to do almost nothing.(Not in over 70 years.)
indeed, what attack?Remember it was Israel that attacked, expelled, and occupied the Palestinians. Israel was (is) the aggressor. It is the Palestinians rights that are violated.Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State.
link?
When was Israel the aggressor?
link?
”Occupied the Pal’istanians”? Indeed, what does that mean? What “Pal’istanian“ was occupied, or, what sovereign Pal’istanIan land was occupied?
link”
Indeed, no sovereign Pal’istanIan land was occupied.
indeed, what attack?Remember it was Israel that attacked, expelled, and occupied the Palestinians. Israel was (is) the aggressor. It is the Palestinians rights that are violated.Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State.
link?
When was Israel the aggressor?
link?
”Occupied the Pal’istanians”? Indeed, what does that mean? What “Pal’istanian“ was occupied, or, what sovereign Pal’istanIan land was occupied?
link”
Indeed, no sovereign Pal’istanIan land was occupied.
Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State.
(COMMENT)Remember it was Israel that attacked, expelled, and occupied the Palestinians. Israel was (is) the aggressor. It is the Palestinians rights that are violated.
(Not in over 70 years.)
(COMMENT)Palestine has been under military occupation for over 70 years. They are allowed to do almost nothing.
Where do you get all of this shit?RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: These are two common themes expressed by the Arab Palestinians. These are in the family of Faulty Causation Fallacies (Oversimplification and Exaggeration). While most people, from time to time, are guilty of this fallacy, the Arab Palestinians have raised this to a level of an Olympic Sport. (Hah, Ha, while true, it is an example of an Exaggeration Fallacy.)
Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State.(COMMENT)Remember it was Israel that attacked, expelled, and occupied the Palestinians. Israel was (is) the aggressor. It is the Palestinians rights that are violated.
Israel did not exist (in contemporary history) until 15 May 1948 (independence through self-determination). Most of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip were occupied by the Arab League Forces as an outcome of the combined attack as they left their respective sovereign territories and entered the territory formerly under the Mandate in an effort to use force to accomplish their political objective that the Arab League could not accomplish through diplomacy.
However, when we talk about the Arab-Israeli Conflict, we generally open with the outbreak of hostilities (very low-intensity conflict) in 1946. In that short period between 1946 and 1948, the Jewish paramilitary forces, in anticipation of the coming conflict which the Arab League was making no secret of, began to remove potentially hostile Arab Palestinians under its influence → out from the vicinity of military operations. While there may have been many associated political objectives to this removal, the military reasoning was to secure what would become the "rear area" and to facilities the advanced clearance of roadways (refugee clog) for Jewish troop movements and logistical flow. The would ensure, to the extent possible, that Israeli forces only had to engage hostile forces from one direction [the forward edge of the battle (FEBA)] and not have to fight Arab fifth columnists coming up from behind them. Under Customary and International Humanitarian Law, this would be equivalent to Rule #24 and part of the modern-day Article 58(a) of Additional Protocol I, to the Geneva Convention.
(Not in over 70 years.)(COMMENT)Palestine has been under military occupation for over 70 years. They are allowed to do almost nothing.
This is a very tricky piece of misinformation. While it is true that, commonly, the territory under the "Question of Palestine," has been occupied for seventy years, the West Bank, most of Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, by the Arab League for almost 20 years. And the Gaza Strip has been under the control of Arab Palestinian terrorist forces for the last decade.
While it is true that Israeli Force have been in most of the West Bank since 1967, the first twenty years was to secure the area from potential military advances from one of the original Arab League states that committed military units in the 1948 attack. And since 1988, when the Jordanians cut all ties with the West Bank and Jerusalem, the Jordanians, ostensively, left the control in the hands of the Israelis. At the time, the Arab Palestinians had not even declared independence. And when independence was finally declared, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people was recognized as the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) which was, at the time, an international terrorist group. Still stinging in the ear of the world was the PLO attack on the Olympic Games, the assassination of Ambassador to Sudan Cleo A. Noel, and it was a time when terrorists like Dalal al-Maghribi came into prominence.
(∑Ω)
Although the occupation did present some problems, the real cause was the growth and intensity of the anti-Israeli Operations by Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP). And still today, the Arab Palestinians openly defy international laws that prohibit the advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence directed at the Israelis.
The reason for their retarded economic growth is the concentration of their attention on anti-Israeli activities. The HoAP represent a danger to the regional peace, but what is a heavy fuel to the extended life of terrorism is the indoctrination from childhood that discrimination, hostility or violence directed at the Israelis is normal and as one Senior PLO put it: "Killing Israelis is not terrorism, it is not criminal, it is legitimate."
As long as you have a culture that endorses such in a public forum, you will have a continuation of the status quo.
![]()
Most Respectfully,
R
You didn't see the links?Where do you get all of this shit?RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: These are two common themes expressed by the Arab Palestinians. These are in the family of Faulty Causation Fallacies (Oversimplification and Exaggeration). While most people, from time to time, are guilty of this fallacy, the Arab Palestinians have raised this to a level of an Olympic Sport. (Hah, Ha, while true, it is an example of an Exaggeration Fallacy.)
Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State.(COMMENT)Remember it was Israel that attacked, expelled, and occupied the Palestinians. Israel was (is) the aggressor. It is the Palestinians rights that are violated.
Israel did not exist (in contemporary history) until 15 May 1948 (independence through self-determination). Most of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip were occupied by the Arab League Forces as an outcome of the combined attack as they left their respective sovereign territories and entered the territory formerly under the Mandate in an effort to use force to accomplish their political objective that the Arab League could not accomplish through diplomacy.
However, when we talk about the Arab-Israeli Conflict, we generally open with the outbreak of hostilities (very low-intensity conflict) in 1946. In that short period between 1946 and 1948, the Jewish paramilitary forces, in anticipation of the coming conflict which the Arab League was making no secret of, began to remove potentially hostile Arab Palestinians under its influence → out from the vicinity of military operations. While there may have been many associated political objectives to this removal, the military reasoning was to secure what would become the "rear area" and to facilities the advanced clearance of roadways (refugee clog) for Jewish troop movements and logistical flow. The would ensure, to the extent possible, that Israeli forces only had to engage hostile forces from one direction [the forward edge of the battle (FEBA)] and not have to fight Arab fifth columnists coming up from behind them. Under Customary and International Humanitarian Law, this would be equivalent to Rule #24 and part of the modern-day Article 58(a) of Additional Protocol I, to the Geneva Convention.
(Not in over 70 years.)(COMMENT)Palestine has been under military occupation for over 70 years. They are allowed to do almost nothing.
This is a very tricky piece of misinformation. While it is true that, commonly, the territory under the "Question of Palestine," has been occupied for seventy years, the West Bank, most of Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, by the Arab League for almost 20 years. And the Gaza Strip has been under the control of Arab Palestinian terrorist forces for the last decade.
While it is true that Israeli Force have been in most of the West Bank since 1967, the first twenty years was to secure the area from potential military advances from one of the original Arab League states that committed military units in the 1948 attack. And since 1988, when the Jordanians cut all ties with the West Bank and Jerusalem, the Jordanians, ostensively, left the control in the hands of the Israelis. At the time, the Arab Palestinians had not even declared independence. And when independence was finally declared, the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people was recognized as the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) which was, at the time, an international terrorist group. Still stinging in the ear of the world was the PLO attack on the Olympic Games, the assassination of Ambassador to Sudan Cleo A. Noel, and it was a time when terrorists like Dalal al-Maghribi came into prominence.
(∑Ω)
Although the occupation did present some problems, the real cause was the growth and intensity of the anti-Israeli Operations by Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP). And still today, the Arab Palestinians openly defy international laws that prohibit the advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence directed at the Israelis.
The reason for their retarded economic growth is the concentration of their attention on anti-Israeli activities. The HoAP represent a danger to the regional peace, but what is a heavy fuel to the extended life of terrorism is the indoctrination from childhood that discrimination, hostility or violence directed at the Israelis is normal and as one Senior PLO put it: "Killing Israelis is not terrorism, it is not criminal, it is legitimate."
As long as you have a culture that endorses such in a public forum, you will have a continuation of the status quo.
![]()
Most Respectfully,
R
Link?
indeed, what attack?Remember it was Israel that attacked, expelled, and occupied the Palestinians. Israel was (is) the aggressor. It is the Palestinians rights that are violated.Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State.
link?
When was Israel the aggressor?
link?
”Occupied the Pal’istanians”? Indeed, what does that mean? What “Pal’istanian“ was occupied, or, what sovereign Pal’istanIan land was occupied?
link”
Indeed, no sovereign Pal’istanIan land was occupied.
indeed, what attack?Remember it was Israel that attacked, expelled, and occupied the Palestinians. Israel was (is) the aggressor. It is the Palestinians rights that are violated.Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State.
link?
When was Israel the aggressor?
link?
”Occupied the Pal’istanians”? Indeed, what does that mean? What “Pal’istanian“ was occupied, or, what sovereign Pal’istanIan land was occupied?
link”
Indeed, no sovereign Pal’istanIan land was occupied.
No guns. No uniforms. No Hamas flags. No riots.
Just a bunch of people walking around with Palestinian flags.
“Martyr fighter Marwan Kayed Mutlaq Abd Al-Karim Zalum ‘Abu Saja’ (i.e., terrorist, involved in murder of at least 9) was born in Hebron in 1960 to one of the famous Hebron families…
He left for Jordan, and from there for Lebanon where he joined the Fatah Movement and was one of its fighters…
He returned to the homeland mere months before the outbreak of the blessed Al-Aqsa Intifada (i.e., PA terror campaign 2000-2005, more than 1,100 Israelis murdered), and received an appointment in the Palestinian [PA] Security Forces like his comrades who preceded him.