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When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?
Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
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When did the UN become responsible for establishing borders?
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There’s always a touch of irony when various components of Islamic Terrorism Intl. inc. (PA, PLO, Fatah, Islamic Gee-had, etc.), work themselves into a froth defending acts of Islamic terrorism.
PA accuses Israel of using "poisonous gas" while exploding terror tunnel - PMW Bulletins
PA accuses Israel of using "poisonous gas"
while exploding terror tunnel
Itamar Marcus and Maurice Hirsch
Yesterday, Israel carried out a controlled explosion to destroy an attack tunnel dug by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) terror group that started in the Gazan city of Khan Younis and crossed into Israeli territory.
A member of Islamic Jihad, Khaled Al-Batsh, explained [in Al-Dustour (Jordanian newspaper), Oct. 31, 2017] that the tunnel that Israel attacked "was intended for freeing prisoners from the Israeli occupation prisons." Al-Batsh was implying that the purpose of the tunnel was to facilitate the entry of Islamic Jihad terrorists into Israel, to kidnap Israelis who would then be used as hostages to force Israel to release prisoners.
At least seven members of the Islamic Jihad and Hamas terror organizations, including senior terrorist commanders, were killed in the explosion of the tunnel.
Instead of condemning the digging of the terror tunnel, Mahmoud Abbas's PA and Fatah chose to accuse Israel of using "poisonous gas" in breach of International law.
PA accuses Israel of using "poisonous gas" while exploding terror tunnel - PMW Bulletins
PA accuses Israel of using "poisonous gas"
while exploding terror tunnel
Itamar Marcus and Maurice Hirsch
Yesterday, Israel carried out a controlled explosion to destroy an attack tunnel dug by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) terror group that started in the Gazan city of Khan Younis and crossed into Israeli territory.
A member of Islamic Jihad, Khaled Al-Batsh, explained [in Al-Dustour (Jordanian newspaper), Oct. 31, 2017] that the tunnel that Israel attacked "was intended for freeing prisoners from the Israeli occupation prisons." Al-Batsh was implying that the purpose of the tunnel was to facilitate the entry of Islamic Jihad terrorists into Israel, to kidnap Israelis who would then be used as hostages to force Israel to release prisoners.
At least seven members of the Islamic Jihad and Hamas terror organizations, including senior terrorist commanders, were killed in the explosion of the tunnel.
Instead of condemning the digging of the terror tunnel, Mahmoud Abbas's PA and Fatah chose to accuse Israel of using "poisonous gas" in breach of International law.
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The UN cannot establish borders. They do, however, reference existing borders.
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Let me guess, you’re suggesting the UN recognizes the border of your invented “country of Pal’istan”?
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It is only invented to Zionist propagandists.
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Oh, my. Such denial.
You must have been sold something.
I’m sure you don’t understand that the Arabs-Moslems posing as “Pal’istanisns” have become little more than Baghdad Bob wannabes.
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Another of your Baghdad Bob’isms.
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Zionist Jesus King of the Jews. No history of “palestinians”
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Dean of Middle East historians: Palestine, invented Roman name for Jews’ land
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Eminent Muslim scholar: Palestine, Roman invention on Jews’ land
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Dean of Middle East historians: For Arabs, palestine was an invention
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Zionist Jesus King of Israel. “Palestine” doesn’t appear in the Bible as it didn’t exist
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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
※→ P F Tinmore,, et al,
That is a timeline issue...
• In the case of Jordan, there is 45 years difference between the Armistice Arrangement and the Treaty.
• In the case of Egypt, there s 30 years difference between the Armistice and the Armistice Arrangement and 'the Treaty.
※→ And finally, the name "Palestine" will be around for ever as a historical name of the Region (non-political subdivision).
Depending on the Time-frame and usage, the description "Palestine" may mean any one of a number variously shaped territorial entities.
The borders established by the Treaties are dependent on the mutual recognition of the parties of each other. In the case of Egypt: The Government of the Arab Republic of Egypt must recognize the Government of the State of Israel; and vice versa. That is done in the first sentence of Article II. Similarly with the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, must recognize the Government of the State of Israel (and vice versa) in Sentence 3 of Article 3 of the Treaty.
In both cases, what the UN said or did not say, is irrelevant to the Treaty between the two parties. The UN was not a party to the 1949 Armistice Arrangements and the UN was not a party to the Treaties.
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※→ P F Tinmore,, et al,
That is a timeline issue...
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• In the case of Jordan, there is 45 years difference between the Armistice Arrangement and the Treaty.
• In the case of Egypt, there s 30 years difference between the Armistice and the Armistice Arrangement and 'the Treaty.
※→ And finally, the name "Palestine" will be around for ever as a historical name of the Region (non-political subdivision).
Depending on the Time-frame and usage, the description "Palestine" may mean any one of a number variously shaped territorial entities.
The borders established by the Treaties are dependent on the mutual recognition of the parties of each other. In the case of Egypt: The Government of the Arab Republic of Egypt must recognize the Government of the State of Israel; and vice versa. That is done in the first sentence of Article II. Similarly with the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, must recognize the Government of the State of Israel (and vice versa) in Sentence 3 of Article 3 of the Treaty.
In both cases, what the UN said or did not say, is irrelevant to the Treaty between the two parties. The UN was not a party to the 1949 Armistice Arrangements and the UN was not a party to the Treaties.
Most Respectfully,
R
Koran: Children of Israel. “Palestine” doesn’t appear as it didn’t exist
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Palestine was a British invention named after the Roman invention of palestine imposed on ancient Israel
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Okay. You DO know what DNA and genome study is, don't you? You know that the only thing it can possibly do is compare one population to another and see what commonalities they have, right? And you know that in order to compare groups of people -- there needs to be, well, you know, groups to compare. The claim you are supporting says that there has been a comparison of Ashkenazi Jews to Khazars and they are found to be similar. Here's the problem -- THERE ARE NO KHAZARS TO COMPARE TO. There is no way to make a comparison because there are no surviving, definitive group of Khazars with which to make a comparison. Therefore any correlation built between the Ashkenazi Jews and the Khazars is unfounded.
Not arguing that. I consistently support the rights of Arab Palestinians due to their long tenure in the territory.
The Jewish people also have a long tenure in the territory. Nearly four thousand years worth. Longer, in point of fact, than the Arabs. So why wouldn't the Jewish people ALSO have rights?
Is it because they were forcibly removed? Is it because there are no "real" Jews left? Why would the Jewish people not ALSO have rights?
Okay you do understand that DNA can be extracted from skeletal remains correct? What you post above is mere opinion--and or propaganda...it has no scientific value...find someone better educated to explain that Elhaik doesn't engage in hypothesis or theories---he offers proof! If you incorrectly believe that Jews with zero genetic relation to the ancient tribes have 'rights to the lands of Palestine present proof, your opinion is irrelevant...
Two human skeletons which were considered in this work, were obtained from two Khazar burial mounds in southern Russian steppes. The mounds, or kurgans, were typical Khazarian mounds surrounded by shallow square ritual ditches. Both burials are described in the literature (Ilyin, 1995; Parusimov, 1998; Glebov & Ivanov, 2007; Batieva, 2007). Both burials, named Kuteiniki II (mound 2, burial 1) and Talov II (mound 2, burial 1), are located in the South-East of the Rostov region on the left bank of Don river, about 70 kilometers from each other. The first was excavated in 1994, the second in 2004. The first burial was robbed in the past. The human skeleton belonged to a male of 40+ years old, the human bones were moved by the robbers, and the original burial position was uncertain. The burial was dated by the end of the VII to the beginning of the VIII century CE. The DNA sample obtained from the burial was assigned by the index 1251. The second burial was not robbed and was completely preserved. The human skeleton belonged to a male of 35 - 45 years old, positioned stretched on its back, the skull to the West. The burial was dated by the second half of the VIII to the beginning of the IX century CE. The DNA sample obtained from the burial was assigned by the index 1986. In the first half of the IX century kurgans with square ditches were seized to appear. The archaeological culture vanished. It seems that Khazars left the lower Don steppes during that time period; thus, Kuteiniki and Talovo burials mark early Khazar and late Khazar times, respectively, of their presence in the Don steppes. The DNA in both cases was extracted from teeth of the ancient skeletons. The teeth were cleaned and ground in a vibration mill, the DNA was isolated by phenol extraction, and other routine procedures were employed for quantitation of the isolated DNA, such as the polymerase chain reaction. In both cases the Y-chromosomal haplogroup of the ancient Khazars was identified as R1a, and the primers specific to SNP mutations R1a-Z280 and R1a-Z93 revealed that the both samples showed negative Z280 and positive Z93 mutations. Thus, both ancient Khazars’ DNA was interpreted to be of the R1a-Z93 “signature”. This is a very rare SNP in present-day ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, Poles and other Slavic male populations, approximately 50% of whom are estimated to carry the R1a haplogroup (www.eupedia; Rozhanskii & Klyosov, 2012). On the other hand, R1a-Z93 is very common in present-day Turkic-speaking peoples such as Caucasian Karachaevo-Balkars, also Tatars, Bashkirs, Kirgiz, and other populations who apparently descended from Scythians, and have their common ancestors in the R1a-Z93 subclade dated back to 1500 - 2500 years ago (Klyosov & Rozhanskii, 2012; Klyosov & Saidov, 2015). In addition to their haplogroups and subclades, Y-chromosome haplotypes were determined in samples 1251 and 1986. In the 20 marker format (DYS 393, 390, 19, 391, 385a, 385b, 439, 389-1, 392, 389-2–DYS 458, 447, 437, 448, 449, GATA H4, 456, 576, 438, 635), their haplotypes were as follows: A. A
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Excavated DNA from Two Khazar Burials Anatole A. Klyosov1,2, Tatiana Faleeva3 1 The Academy of DNA Genealogy, Boston, USA 2 The Academy of DNA Genealogy, Moscow, Russia 3 The National Forensic Center, Rostov-on-Don, Russi
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Are you honestly this dense Rocco? Do you deliberately miss the significance of these Zionist luminaries? It is completely irrelevant as to whether they are alive today...their public statements essentially support the argument of every critic of Zionism, and your entire argument is wiped away by their authority...does this register yet or shall I employ a set of IQ-appropriate crayon graphics?
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