Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Sixties Fan]

But now that Egypt is forcing Hamas to confront ISIS supporters in Gaza, it’s of course time to trot out the usual variations of the Nazi slogan “The Jews are our misfortune” – so here goes:

“Some also see an Israeli hand in the area.
Akram Attalla, a political analyst and columnist for al-Ayyam newspaper, speculated that Islamic State in Gaza and the Sinai is funded by Israel in order to undermine Hamas.
‘Israel is aware that the Palestinians have adapted to the division among them and the siege,’ he told The Electronic Intifada. ‘Hence, Israel is trying to create groups that can wear Hamas down.’
Omar Jaara, an Israel affairs expert and lecturer at An-Najah National University in the West Bank, echoed this theory. Islamic State, he said, is a ‘tool controlled by Israel to maintain instability’ at the boundary with Egypt. As the group’s threat to Egypt grows, he added, it becomes a ‘wild card’ that Israel can wield against Hamas.”

(full article online)

Guess who is to blame for ISIS terrorists in Gaza? (Petra Marquardt-Bigman) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Shusha]

I don't think you can say Israel has either. Where the Palestinians have used violence, Israel has used the power of its state. Building and expanding Jewish only settlements in occupied territories is good faith or peaceful means.

You can't say Israel has made good faith attempts to achieve peace? Really?

You mean like accepting the (first and second) Partition plans? Like offering peace treaties giving Arab Palestinians everything they asked for with land swaps -- three times, or is it four? Like the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza? Like not building any new settlements in Area C for 20 years? Like a full building freeze that lasted for years? Like voluntarily restricting the freedom of worship for Jews at their most holy site for fear of upsetting Muslims? Like removing perfectly reasonable security precautions from the Temple Mount? Like granting a foreign country special privileges over your holy sites and territory? Like enshrining equality for all peoples into Israeli laws, with special acknowledgements to the Arab people? Like continuing to offer medical treatment and other services to the people of Gaza, even though that is supposed to be handled by the Palestinian governments? Like releasing thousands of criminals and terrorists on good faith, despite knowing they will (and have) attack innocent Israelis again? Come on.

The whole "settlements in occupied territories" is an EXCUSE that is used by the Arab Palestinians in order to continue to reject peace. It is only an excuse.

Why?

1. It invalidates a peace treaty which grants Israel control over that territory.
2. It assumes a border already exists between Israel and some other entity, which is not true.
3. It assumes that the presence of Jews on a piece of land is a barrier to peace (while also rejecting any idea that the presence of Arabs in Israel is a barrier to peace -- a blatant hypocrisy.)
4. It neglects the Israeli restraint in not building new "settlements" and only allowing for natural expansion in existing "settlements" which it intends to keep in final negotiations..
5. It places pre-conditions on the negotiation process, effectively making some parts of the negotiation non-negotiable.
6. It creates a false representation of the conflict by focusing on only a very small minority of Arab Palestinians. (Nearly all Arab Palestinians live under direct Palestinian government rule).

 

[thetor]

The Arab Palestinians were treated the same as the the people which formed Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, or Iraq.

Not true. They all continue to live in their own country while the Palestinians live elsewhere.

Palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel referring to Greek Philistines: Are palestinians Italian, Greek or Jewish? LOL

You should be BANNED...Why? for total IGNORANCE.........Palestinian are Greek Philistines!!!!!!!!!!WTF

 

[thetor]

I don't think you can say Israel has either. Where the Palestinians have used violence, Israel has used the power of its state. Building and expanding Jewish only settlements in occupied territories is good faith or peaceful means.

You can't say Israel has made good faith attempts to achieve peace? Really?

You mean like accepting the (first and second) Partition plans? Like offering peace treaties giving Arab Palestinians everything they asked for with land swaps -- three times, or is it four? Like the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza? Like not building any new settlements in Area C for 20 years? Like a full building freeze that lasted for years? Like voluntarily restricting the freedom of worship for Jews at their most holy site for fear of upsetting Muslims? Like removing perfectly reasonable security precautions from the Temple Mount? Like granting a foreign country special privileges over your holy sites and territory? Like enshrining equality for all peoples into Israeli laws, with special acknowledgements to the Arab people? Like continuing to offer medical treatment and other services to the people of Gaza, even though that is supposed to be handled by the Palestinian governments? Like releasing thousands of criminals and terrorists on good faith, despite knowing they will (and have) attack innocent Israelis again? Come on.

The whole "settlements in occupied territories" is an EXCUSE that is used by the Arab Palestinians in order to continue to reject peace. It is only an excuse.

Why?

1. It invalidates a peace treaty which grants Israel control over that territory.
2. It assumes a border already exists between Israel and some other entity, which is not true.
3. It assumes that the presence of Jews on a piece of land is a barrier to peace (while also rejecting any idea that the presence of Arabs in Israel is a barrier to peace -- a blatant hypocrisy.)
4. It neglects the Israeli restraint in not building new "settlements" and only allowing for natural expansion in existing "settlements" which it intends to keep in final negotiations..
5. It places pre-conditions on the negotiation process, effectively making some parts of the negotiation non-negotiable.
6. It creates a false representation of the conflict by focusing on only a very small minority of Arab Palestinians. (Nearly all Arab Palestinians live under direct Palestinian government rule).

You are NUTS

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Arab Palestinians were treated the same as the the people which formed Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, or Iraq.

Not true. They all continue to live in their own country while the Palestinians live elsewhere.

Palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel referring to Greek Philistines: Are palestinians Italian, Greek or Jewish? LOL

You should be BANNED...Why? for total IGNORANCE.........Palestinian are Greek Philistines!!!!!!!!!!WTF

The Palestinian leaders today love to say that they are descendants of the ancients Philistines.

Have them banned.

 

[JoelT1]

The Arab Palestinians were treated the same as the the people which formed Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, or Iraq.

Not true. They all continue to live in their own country while the Palestinians live elsewhere.

Palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel referring to Greek Philistines: Are palestinians Italian, Greek or Jewish? LOL

You should be BANNED...Why? for total IGNORANCE.........Palestinian are Greek Philistines!!!!!!!!!!WTF

The Palestinian leaders today love to say that they are descendants of the ancients Philistines.

Have them banned.

Just 1 problem: Philistines were Greek Do “palestinians” like souvlaki? LOL

 

[Sixties Fan]

I don't think you can say Israel has either. Where the Palestinians have used violence, Israel has used the power of its state. Building and expanding Jewish only settlements in occupied territories is good faith or peaceful means.

You can't say Israel has made good faith attempts to achieve peace? Really?

You mean like accepting the (first and second) Partition plans? Like offering peace treaties giving Arab Palestinians everything they asked for with land swaps -- three times, or is it four? Like the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza? Like not building any new settlements in Area C for 20 years? Like a full building freeze that lasted for years? Like voluntarily restricting the freedom of worship for Jews at their most holy site for fear of upsetting Muslims? Like removing perfectly reasonable security precautions from the Temple Mount? Like granting a foreign country special privileges over your holy sites and territory? Like enshrining equality for all peoples into Israeli laws, with special acknowledgements to the Arab people? Like continuing to offer medical treatment and other services to the people of Gaza, even though that is supposed to be handled by the Palestinian governments? Like releasing thousands of criminals and terrorists on good faith, despite knowing they will (and have) attack innocent Israelis again? Come on.

The whole "settlements in occupied territories" is an EXCUSE that is used by the Arab Palestinians in order to continue to reject peace. It is only an excuse.

Why?

1. It invalidates a peace treaty which grants Israel control over that territory.
2. It assumes a border already exists between Israel and some other entity, which is not true.
3. It assumes that the presence of Jews on a piece of land is a barrier to peace (while also rejecting any idea that the presence of Arabs in Israel is a barrier to peace -- a blatant hypocrisy.)
4. It neglects the Israeli restraint in not building new "settlements" and only allowing for natural expansion in existing "settlements" which it intends to keep in final negotiations..
5. It places pre-conditions on the negotiation process, effectively making some parts of the negotiation non-negotiable.
6. It creates a false representation of the conflict by focusing on only a very small minority of Arab Palestinians. (Nearly all Arab Palestinians live under direct Palestinian government rule).

You are NUTS

History is not your strength, we see.
Geography is not your strength.
Treaties are not your strength.

Remind me what your strengths about this conflicts are

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Arab Palestinians were treated the same as the the people which formed Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, or Iraq.

Not true. They all continue to live in their own country while the Palestinians live elsewhere.

Palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel referring to Greek Philistines: Are palestinians Italian, Greek or Jewish? LOL

You should be BANNED...Why? for total IGNORANCE.........Palestinian are Greek Philistines!!!!!!!!!!WTF

The Palestinian leaders today love to say that they are descendants of the ancients Philistines.

Have them banned.

Just 1 problem: Philistines were Greek Do “palestinians” like souvlaki? LOL

Take it up with the Palestinian leaders. They have come up with the idea, not me. You are Oops ing the wrong person.

Tracking the Philistines

Unfortunately, the Philistines were neither Arabs nor Semites (which the current Palestinians certainly claim to be), and the name Palestine was assigned to the region after the Romans put down the Bar Kochba rebellion around A.D. 135.

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Take it up with the Arab leaders

 

[Shusha]

P F Tinmore

Thanking liq for calling me nuts is beneath you. If you have an argument -- make it.

 

[JoelT1]

Not true. They all continue to live in their own country while the Palestinians live elsewhere.

Palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel referring to Greek Philistines: Are palestinians Italian, Greek or Jewish? LOL

You should be BANNED...Why? for total IGNORANCE.........Palestinian are Greek Philistines!!!!!!!!!!WTF

The Palestinian leaders today love to say that they are descendants of the ancients Philistines.

Have them banned.

Just 1 problem: Philistines were Greek Do “palestinians” like souvlaki? LOL

Take it up with the Palestinian leaders. They have come up with the idea, not me. You are Oops ing the wrong person.

Tracking the Philistines

Unfortunately, the Philistines were neither Arabs nor Semites (which the current Palestinians certainly claim to be), and the name Palestine was assigned to the region after the Romans put down the Bar Kochba rebellion around A.D. 135.

------------
Take it up with the Arab leaders

Oh, I didn’t know that

Not true. They all continue to live in their own country while the Palestinians live elsewhere.

Palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel referring to Greek Philistines: Are palestinians Italian, Greek or Jewish? LOL

You should be BANNED...Why? for total IGNORANCE.........Palestinian are Greek Philistines!!!!!!!!!!WTF

The Palestinian leaders today love to say that they are descendants of the ancients Philistines.

Have them banned.

Just 1 problem: Philistines were Greek Do “palestinians” like souvlaki? LOL

Take it up with the Palestinian leaders. They have come up with the idea, not me. You are Oops ing the wrong person.

Tracking the Philistines

Unfortunately, the Philistines were neither Arabs nor Semites (which the current Palestinians certainly claim to be), and the name Palestine was assigned to the region after the Romans put down the Bar Kochba rebellion around A.D. 135.

------------
Take it up with the Arab leaders

Oh I didn’t know that

 

[thetor]

I don't think you can say Israel has either. Where the Palestinians have used violence, Israel has used the power of its state. Building and expanding Jewish only settlements in occupied territories is good faith or peaceful means.

You can't say Israel has made good faith attempts to achieve peace? Really?

You mean like accepting the (first and second) Partition plans? Like offering peace treaties giving Arab Palestinians everything they asked for with land swaps -- three times, or is it four? Like the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza? Like not building any new settlements in Area C for 20 years? Like a full building freeze that lasted for years? Like voluntarily restricting the freedom of worship for Jews at their most holy site for fear of upsetting Muslims? Like removing perfectly reasonable security precautions from the Temple Mount? Like granting a foreign country special privileges over your holy sites and territory? Like enshrining equality for all peoples into Israeli laws, with special acknowledgements to the Arab people? Like continuing to offer medical treatment and other services to the people of Gaza, even though that is supposed to be handled by the Palestinian governments? Like releasing thousands of criminals and terrorists on good faith, despite knowing they will (and have) attack innocent Israelis again? Come on.

The whole "settlements in occupied territories" is an EXCUSE that is used by the Arab Palestinians in order to continue to reject peace. It is only an excuse.

Why?

1. It invalidates a peace treaty which grants Israel control over that territory.
2. It assumes a border already exists between Israel and some other entity, which is not true.
3. It assumes that the presence of Jews on a piece of land is a barrier to peace (while also rejecting any idea that the presence of Arabs in Israel is a barrier to peace -- a blatant hypocrisy.)
4. It neglects the Israeli restraint in not building new "settlements" and only allowing for natural expansion in existing "settlements" which it intends to keep in final negotiations..
5. It places pre-conditions on the negotiation process, effectively making some parts of the negotiation non-negotiable.
6. It creates a false representation of the conflict by focusing on only a very small minority of Arab Palestinians. (Nearly all Arab Palestinians live under direct Palestinian government rule).

You are NUTS

History is not your strength, we see.
Geography is not your strength.
Treaties are not your strength.

Remind me what your strengths about this conflicts are

O yeah...try 99% for Geography A Level
97% History.........Not bad,See you around Pal

 

[thetor]

Not true. They all continue to live in their own country while the Palestinians live elsewhere.

Palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel referring to Greek Philistines: Are palestinians Italian, Greek or Jewish? LOL

You should be BANNED...Why? for total IGNORANCE.........Palestinian are Greek Philistines!!!!!!!!!!WTF

The Palestinian leaders today love to say that they are descendants of the ancients Philistines.

Have them banned.

Just 1 problem: Philistines were Greek Do “palestinians” like souvlaki? LOL

Take it up with the Palestinian leaders. They have come up with the idea, not me. You are Oops ing the wrong person.

Tracking the Philistines

Unfortunately, the Philistines were neither Arabs nor Semites (which the current Palestinians certainly claim to be), and the name Palestine was assigned to the region after the Romans put down the Bar Kochba rebellion around A.D. 135.

------------
Take it up with the Arab leaders

Not correct on either statement...Try harder in future because Banality is just that

 

[thetor]

P F Tinmore

Thanking liq for calling me nuts is beneath you. If you have an argument -- make it.

Why do you find the Truth so hard to accept ? because you are NUTS

Really Coyote,you should not encourage her

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore

Thanking liq for calling me nuts is beneath you. If you have an argument -- make it.

You know I love you anyway.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Palestine was a Roman name for ancient Israel referring to Greek Philistines: Are palestinians Italian, Greek or Jewish? LOL

You should be BANNED...Why? for total IGNORANCE.........Palestinian are Greek Philistines!!!!!!!!!!WTF

The Palestinian leaders today love to say that they are descendants of the ancients Philistines.

Have them banned.

Just 1 problem: Philistines were Greek Do “palestinians” like souvlaki? LOL

Take it up with the Palestinian leaders. They have come up with the idea, not me. You are Oops ing the wrong person.

Tracking the Philistines

Unfortunately, the Philistines were neither Arabs nor Semites (which the current Palestinians certainly claim to be), and the name Palestine was assigned to the region after the Romans put down the Bar Kochba rebellion around A.D. 135.

------------
Take it up with the Arab leaders

Not correct on either statement...Try harder in future because Banality is just that

Not correct on what?
What exactly are you quoting and defying as not being true.

Where is your evidence to what you believe to be true.

What is it that you do believe to be true?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Sixties Fan]

P F Tinmore

Thanking liq for calling me nuts is beneath you. If you have an argument -- make it.

Why do you find the Truth so hard to accept ? because you are NUTS

Really Coyote,you should not encourage her

This is a discussion thread.

Make your case and show the evidence for it.

Name calling and constant insults is the only way you deal with anything.

Let us try it the grown ups way.

You show your case.
You show the evidence.
We discuss it.

 

[jamesduncan]

Actually there are no historical of palestine and palestinians written in Arabic before the 20th century.

Actually, there is no history and/or a map of the land of "Israel", before 1947ad; , zip, nil, nada

.,.,.,.just thought I'd add this to the discussion

But there are many ancient maps that label/show the area of Egypt/Arabia. But no "Israel".


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[JoelT1]

Actually there are no histories of palestine and palestinians written in Arabic before the 20th century.

Actually, there is no history and/or a map of the land of "Israel", before 1947ad; , zip, nil, nada

.,.,.,.just thought I'd add this to the discussion

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Um, maps are a recent European invention, genius.

Ancient Israel appears in archaeology http://www.louvre.fr/en/oeuvre-notices/mesha-stele

 

[P F Tinmore]

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