Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

I knew it would be over your head so I am not surprised that you missed the point.

It made no point did it, it just rambled on about the failure of the Palestinians to work together and make a go of statehood. Which seems to be over your head when it comes to the reality.

Hamas was the majority party in the Palestinian Authority.

So, what was the purpose of the split?

Power and control of all the money of course. When $10 billion is passing through your hands the chances of a few $million sticking to their greasy palms is a given. They are just following the example of Arafat the fraud from Egypt and lining their own nest.

Indeed, Arafat, Abbas, and that crowd are the foreign appointed oligarchs of Palestine. They get paid to sell the Palestinians down the river.

Proving that the Palestinians are incapable of self determination and the ability to stand on their feet. So they are not ready to be a state without support from outside. The Palestinians never objected to the people being put in charge, so they must agree with them in principle

Blah, blah, blah.

 

[Phoenall]

I'm sure you have a handy conspiracy theory that resolves your inability to hold Islamic terrorists responsible for their self-inflicted disasters.

Is playing the terrorist card the best you can do?

Are you denying that the majority of the world view Palestinians as terrorists, and with good reason. Would you call the ICC judgement flawed when it said that the Palestinians could face charges of war crimes because of their terrorism ?

Why is it that nobody in the world has taken any Palestinians to court.

Why is it that the UN hasn't charged Israel with all the war crimes it is supposed to have carried out.

But ever thought that them being destitute the court could not give them any other punishment than prison, and they would have to build a lot of prisons to house the Palestinians involved. In this case the P.A. withdrew its complaint as it could not afford the bad propaganda that would have been generated. Having say 1000 Palestinians branded terrorists in law and the regime being terrorist would lose them 80% of their current support.

Why is it that the UN hasn't charged Israel with all the war crimes it is supposed to have carried out.

Israel's lackeys in the US veto everything.

Next?

They cant veto the ICC/ICJ so why hasn't Israel been charged.

Or didn't you read the ICC report as to why, and how it shook up the UN to its foundations.

 

[Phoenall]

It made no point did it, it just rambled on about the failure of the Palestinians to work together and make a go of statehood. Which seems to be over your head when it comes to the reality.

Hamas was the majority party in the Palestinian Authority.

So, what was the purpose of the split?

Power and control of all the money of course. When $10 billion is passing through your hands the chances of a few $million sticking to their greasy palms is a given. They are just following the example of Arafat the fraud from Egypt and lining their own nest.

Indeed, Arafat, Abbas, and that crowd are the foreign appointed oligarchs of Palestine. They get paid to sell the Palestinians down the river.

Proving that the Palestinians are incapable of self determination and the ability to stand on their feet. So they are not ready to be a state without support from outside. The Palestinians never objected to the people being put in charge, so they must agree with them in principle

Blah, blah, blah.

In other words you admit defeat and accept that the Palestinians have no legal rights to the land and will never make a viable nation while the sun still shines

 

[P F Tinmore]

Is playing the terrorist card the best you can do?

Are you denying that the majority of the world view Palestinians as terrorists, and with good reason. Would you call the ICC judgement flawed when it said that the Palestinians could face charges of war crimes because of their terrorism ?

Why is it that nobody in the world has taken any Palestinians to court.

Why is it that the UN hasn't charged Israel with all the war crimes it is supposed to have carried out.

But ever thought that them being destitute the court could not give them any other punishment than prison, and they would have to build a lot of prisons to house the Palestinians involved. In this case the P.A. withdrew its complaint as it could not afford the bad propaganda that would have been generated. Having say 1000 Palestinians branded terrorists in law and the regime being terrorist would lose them 80% of their current support.

Why is it that the UN hasn't charged Israel with all the war crimes it is supposed to have carried out.

Israel's lackeys in the US veto everything.

Next?

They cant veto the ICC/ICJ so why hasn't Israel been charged.

Or didn't you read the ICC report as to why, and how it shook up the UN to its foundations.

I must have missed that.

Could you provide a link?

Thanks.

 

[Phoenall]

Are you denying that the majority of the world view Palestinians as terrorists, and with good reason. Would you call the ICC judgement flawed when it said that the Palestinians could face charges of war crimes because of their terrorism ?

Why is it that nobody in the world has taken any Palestinians to court.

Why is it that the UN hasn't charged Israel with all the war crimes it is supposed to have carried out.

But ever thought that them being destitute the court could not give them any other punishment than prison, and they would have to build a lot of prisons to house the Palestinians involved. In this case the P.A. withdrew its complaint as it could not afford the bad propaganda that would have been generated. Having say 1000 Palestinians branded terrorists in law and the regime being terrorist would lose them 80% of their current support.

Why is it that the UN hasn't charged Israel with all the war crimes it is supposed to have carried out.

Israel's lackeys in the US veto everything.

Next?

They cant veto the ICC/ICJ so why hasn't Israel been charged.

Or didn't you read the ICC report as to why, and how it shook up the UN to its foundations.

I must have missed that.

Could you provide a link?

Thanks.

Strange the last 12 times I posted that link you went quiet and changed the subject, so you must be lying

So here it is from another source


ICC issues first report on war crimes in Palestinian- Israeli conflict


The preliminary report noted that 4,881 rockets and 1,750 mortar rounds were fired by Hamas at Israel, indicating that these incidents could be claimed as potential war crimes. Additionally, the report echoed IDF Military Intelligence, stating that out of the more than 2,000 Palestinians killed, at least 1,000 were civilians, as opposed to the high of 1,600 civilians claimed by the United Nations and other human 30%. The report did note there were discrepancies regarding those numbers.

Next, the report mentions allegations that Hamas launched attacks from civilian locations, such as schools, hospitals and mosques.


Regarding the first in the series of triggers leading to the summer conflicts, the report partially backed another aspect of the Israeli narrative, emphasizing that Operation Brothers’ Keeper was initiated by the kidnapping and murder of Gil-Ad Shaer, 16, Naftali Fraenkel, 16, and Eyal Yifrah, 19, three Israeli teens, a narrative which past reports have under-emphasized.

Further, the report noted Hamas’ rocket attacks on Israel in framing Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip, though it did not explicitly state a position on the legality of the blockade.
Regarding the first in the series of triggers leading to the summer conflicts, the report partially backed another aspect of the Israeli narrative, emphasizing that Operation Brothers’ Keeper was initiated by the kidnapping and murder of Gil-Ad Shaer, 16, Naftali Fraenkel, 16, and Eyal Yifrah, 19, three Israeli teens, a narrative which past reports have under-emphasized.

Further, the report noted Hamas’ rocket attacks on Israel in framing Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip, though it did not explicitly state a position on the legality of the blockade.

 

[gt1085]

How does anyone or any nation even begin to negotiate peace with a people who prefer death over life?

Well, it seems that Zionists threaten with the death of our entire planet, if their regime is in danger:

Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch(2003) as saying:

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan:

'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.'

I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third.

We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.[30]


Samson Option - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

How can you negotiate with people who have chosen to behave like "mad dogs"?
How can you negotiate with people who threaten to destroy the entire planet?

Lol,Believe me, christian, are No different,in fact They are worst murders.By Far,Bar None.

 

[gt1085]

Around 2,000 pilgrims from the Palestinian territories, Israel and Jordan, some waving Palestinian flags, attend the mass as well as Abbas, who had a private audience with the pope on Saturday.

How can the so-called "Evangelical Christians" support the Anti-Christian Zionists in their fight against Palestinians, be these Palestinians Christians or Muslims?

Its Their got dam land and not christians.Israel are the Terrorist.

 

[Hossfly]

Around 2,000 pilgrims from the Palestinian territories, Israel and Jordan, some waving Palestinian flags, attend the mass as well as Abbas, who had a private audience with the pope on Saturday.

How can the so-called "Evangelical Christians" support the Anti-Christian Zionists in their fight against Palestinians, be these Palestinians Christians or Muslims?

Its Their got dam land and not christians.Israel are the Terrorist.

Whose land? Who's the terrorists? Be specific.

 

[gt1085]

Around 2,000 pilgrims from the Palestinian territories, Israel and Jordan, some waving Palestinian flags, attend the mass as well as Abbas, who had a private audience with the pope on Saturday.

How can the so-called "Evangelical Christians" support the Anti-Christian Zionists in their fight against Palestinians, be these Palestinians Christians or Muslims?

Its Their got dam land and not christians.Israel are the Terrorist.

Whose land? Who's the terrorists? Be specific.

If you don`t know then im not telling.the Israel thats there now,it not there birthright land,plain and simply.they are foreigners invaders,Stealing is what those fools do scumbags.

 

[Phoenall]

Around 2,000 pilgrims from the Palestinian territories, Israel and Jordan, some waving Palestinian flags, attend the mass as well as Abbas, who had a private audience with the pope on Saturday.

How can the so-called "Evangelical Christians" support the Anti-Christian Zionists in their fight against Palestinians, be these Palestinians Christians or Muslims?

Its Their got dam land and not christians.Israel are the Terrorist.

Whose land? Who's the terrorists? Be specific.

If you don`t know then im not telling.the Israel thats there now,it not there birthright land,plain and simply.they are foreigners invaders,Stealing is what those fools do scumbags.

The thieves and invaders are the arab muslims who have 100's of 1,000,000's of deaths on their blood stained hands

 

[P F Tinmore]

Sleepless Gaza

Isn't bombing family homes targeting women and children?

Not when they have been warned of the intention to destroy a valid military target, they should be evacuated by hamas under those circumstances.

Yes we know you are mentally deranged because you deny the Jews the same rights you demand for the Palestinians.

I have never denied the rights of the native Jews.

You have proved once again that you are nothing but hot air.

 

[Phoenall]

Sleepless Gaza

Isn't bombing family homes targeting women and children?

Not when they have been warned of the intention to destroy a valid military target, they should be evacuated by hamas under those circumstances.

Yes we know you are mentally deranged because you deny the Jews the same rights you demand for the Palestinians.

I have never denied the rights of the native Jews.

You have proved once again that you are nothing but hot air.

Then why wont you give the two year rule Jews the same rights you give the two year rule Palestinians. Your duck did not work as you are known to operate two sets of rules.

Just as we have never denied the rights of the pre 1920 arab muslim Palestinians, just the post 1920 illegal immigrant arab muslims.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Isn't bombing family homes targeting women and children?

Not when they have been warned of the intention to destroy a valid military target, they should be evacuated by hamas under those circumstances.

Yes we know you are mentally deranged because you deny the Jews the same rights you demand for the Palestinians.

I have never denied the rights of the native Jews.

You have proved once again that you are nothing but hot air.

Then why wont you give the two year rule Jews the same rights you give the two year rule Palestinians. Your duck did not work as you are known to operate two sets of rules.

Just as we have never denied the rights of the pre 1920 arab muslim Palestinians, just the post 1920 illegal immigrant arab muslims.

You are just bloviating again. You always misrepresent what I say.

 

[Mindful]

Around 2,000 pilgrims from the Palestinian territories, Israel and Jordan, some waving Palestinian flags, attend the mass as well as Abbas, who had a private audience with the pope on Saturday.

How can the so-called "Evangelical Christians" support the Anti-Christian Zionists in their fight against Palestinians, be these Palestinians Christians or Muslims?

Its Their got dam land and not christians.Israel are the Terrorist.

Whose land? Who's the terrorists? Be specific.

If you don`t know then im not telling.the Israel thats there now,it not there birthright land,plain and simply.they are foreigners invaders,Stealing is what those fools do scumbags.

The thieves and invaders are the arab muslims who have 100's of 1,000,000's of deaths on their blood stained hands

One should take into consideration the history of the invasions, which date back to 610, when Muhammad had a religious experience on Mount Hira that changed his life. It's been going on for centuries.

 

[Hossfly]

How can the so-called "Evangelical Christians" support the Anti-Christian Zionists in their fight against Palestinians, be these Palestinians Christians or Muslims?

Its Their got dam land and not christians.Israel are the Terrorist.

Whose land? Who's the terrorists? Be specific.

If you don`t know then im not telling.the Israel thats there now,it not there birthright land,plain and simply.they are foreigners invaders,Stealing is what those fools do scumbags.

The thieves and invaders are the arab muslims who have 100's of 1,000,000's of deaths on their blood stained hands

One should take into consideration the history of the invasions, which date back to 610, when Muhammad had a religious experience on Mount Hira that changed his life. It's been going on for centuries.

Just the first of Mohammed's drug induced dreams.

 

[Mindful]

Its Their got dam land and not christians.Israel are the Terrorist.

Whose land? Who's the terrorists? Be specific.

If you don`t know then im not telling.the Israel thats there now,it not there birthright land,plain and simply.they are foreigners invaders,Stealing is what those fools do scumbags.

The thieves and invaders are the arab muslims who have 100's of 1,000,000's of deaths on their blood stained hands

One should take into consideration the history of the invasions, which date back to 610, when Muhammad had a religious experience on Mount Hira that changed his life. It's been going on for centuries.

Just the first of Mohammed's drug induced dreams.

Then there were the giveaways.

The Hashemites in Palestine: A Royal Scam That Keeps On Scamming

 

[Phoenall]

Not when they have been warned of the intention to destroy a valid military target, they should be evacuated by hamas under those circumstances.

Yes we know you are mentally deranged because you deny the Jews the same rights you demand for the Palestinians.

I have never denied the rights of the native Jews.

You have proved once again that you are nothing but hot air.

Then why wont you give the two year rule Jews the same rights you give the two year rule Palestinians. Your duck did not work as you are known to operate two sets of rules.

Just as we have never denied the rights of the pre 1920 arab muslim Palestinians, just the post 1920 illegal immigrant arab muslims.

You are just bloviating again. You always misrepresent what I say.

No I am pinning you down to specifics to see just how far you will go to twist the truth.

Now can we start again with the same set of rules for both sides and see just what your views are.

The Jews and arab muslims that arrived after 1920 should be given the same rights in all matters TRUE or FALSE

The Jews lands bought under international law in the west bank should be handed back to them TRUE or FALSE

The arab muslim lands in Israel bought under international law should be handed back to them TRUE or FALSE

The treaties formulated under international laws of the time should be enforced on the Jews and arab muslims TRUE or FALSE

The UN resolutions should not be used as International laws TRUE or FALSE

The arab muslims should be kicked out of the UN for their use of illegal weapons against the Jews contrary to the UN charter TRUE or FALSE

The granting of Palestine to the arab muslims east of the Jordan is the only land they can claim TRUE or FALSE

The granting of the land to the west of the Jordan is the only land that the Jews can claim TRUE or FALSE.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yes we know you are mentally deranged because you deny the Jews the same rights you demand for the Palestinians.

I have never denied the rights of the native Jews.

You have proved once again that you are nothing but hot air.

Then why wont you give the two year rule Jews the same rights you give the two year rule Palestinians. Your duck did not work as you are known to operate two sets of rules.

Just as we have never denied the rights of the pre 1920 arab muslim Palestinians, just the post 1920 illegal immigrant arab muslims.

You are just bloviating again. You always misrepresent what I say.

No I am pinning you down to specifics to see just how far you will go to twist the truth.

Now can we start again with the same set of rules for both sides and see just what your views are.

The Jews and arab muslims that arrived after 1920 should be given the same rights in all matters TRUE or FALSE

The Jews lands bought under international law in the west bank should be handed back to them TRUE or FALSE

The arab muslim lands in Israel bought under international law should be handed back to them TRUE or FALSE

The treaties formulated under international laws of the time should be enforced on the Jews and arab muslims TRUE or FALSE

The UN resolutions should not be used as International laws TRUE or FALSE

The arab muslims should be kicked out of the UN for their use of illegal weapons against the Jews contrary to the UN charter TRUE or FALSE

The granting of Palestine to the arab muslims east of the Jordan is the only land they can claim TRUE or FALSE

The granting of the land to the west of the Jordan is the only land that the Jews can claim TRUE or FALSE.

Dividing people into different groups is racist.

 

[RoccoR]

et al,

Again, it is not a matter of who had what rights when. That has very little to do with it. Decisions were made. Apportionments were either awarded or given tacit approval. Investments were established. The same war was fought three time and is still not over.

The only contemporary questions that legitimately remains today are the question of:

• The West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
• The West Bank Settlements.
• The question of Jerusalem.
• The legitimacy and competency of the alleged State of Palestine. (Including the legitimacy of its government.)
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But hashing and rehashing the League of Nations decisions made in the first two decades of the 20th Century, --- the Mid-Post War era by the United Nations, --- and the decisions relative to the three wars (1948, 1967, 1973) which were actually all the same war, --- is not going to solve much.

The Israelis are not going to be a party to its own nation-suicide by allowing hostile Arab Palestinians to flood inside its sovereignty.

It is not going to adopt or be a party to some sort of forced Arab Style, Treaty of Versailles like reparations, restitution, or monetary settlements that would bankrupt or serious strain the economy in favor of the failed entity of Palestine.

Israel is no going to allow the selfish policies of the radicalized Islamic extremist to claim control over all access to the holy sites in Jerusalem.

Remember, that Israel, given the violent history against its people and culture (and the Jihadist within the Arab League), exercising its national sovereignty will decides that extraordinary events, related to the Israeli-Palestinian Relations will not jeopardized the supreme interests of its country. It will stand to protect and preserve the culture.

The solution rests in what will each side accept; for the sake of peace. But their are limitations.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

et al,
The only contemporary questions that legitimately remains today are the question of:

• The West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
• The West Bank Settlements.
• The question of Jerusalem.
• The legitimacy and competency of the alleged State of Palestine. (Including the legitimacy of its government.)
​

R

This is so on the money. We really need to be looking forward rather than looking backwards.

1. Is there a competent government capable of making Palestine a legitimate State?
2. Is each State to be expected to govern groups of mixed ethnicity/culture or is there some sort of ethnic cleansing or population transfer required?
3. How are the Holy Places to be managed and under what criteria?
4. Can we agree on territorial boundaries?
5. Can an end-of-conflict agreement address Israel's security needs?