Who Are The Palestinains?

[toastman]

Not Hamas.

Vague. Specific incidents?

Again, vague.

Still Palestinians though who later became hamas

I don't think so. I think that was the PFLP, a Christian group.

They are specific, specific enough for the Jordanian forces to kill 50,000 Palestinians for their terrorism. Specific enough for the Lebanese to kill thousands of Palestinians for their terrorism.

That was a complicated event involving many people, and many countries, for many reasons.

The bottom line, though, is that none of it would have happened without Israel.

What a ridiculous thing to say. They were killed by Jordan, not Israel.

Your logic is a fail Tinmore.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Still Palestinians though who later became hamas

I don't think so. I think that was the PFLP, a Christian group.

They are specific, specific enough for the Jordanian forces to kill 50,000 Palestinians for their terrorism. Specific enough for the Lebanese to kill thousands of Palestinians for their terrorism.

That was a complicated event involving many people, and many countries, for many reasons.

The bottom line, though, is that none of it would have happened without Israel.

And your proof of that is what, some twisted ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST that says the blame is all Israel's for daring to be better than the muslims. The fact is islam has been engaging in terrorism since Mohamed invented it, and he altered parts of the Koran to bring in more barbaric arabs. Just look at the satanic verses that were written to appease a certain group of arabs that worshipped 3 goddesses. Or the "strike their head from their shoulder" command to appease another group of arabs that did just that to their enemies. So were was Israel while all this was going on, and were was Israel in 1929 when the arab muslims mass murdered Jews in Hebron on the say so of the grand mufti Husseini .



As I keep saying try harder as your ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA is easily proven false.

All that blabber has nothing to do with the Palestinians being in Jordan and Lebanon. They would not have been there if Israel had not kicked them out of Palestine.

 

[toastman]

I don't think so. I think that was the PFLP, a Christian group.



That was a complicated event involving many people, and many countries, for many reasons.

The bottom line, though, is that none of it would have happened without Israel.

And your proof of that is what, some twisted ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST that says the blame is all Israel's for daring to be better than the muslims. The fact is islam has been engaging in terrorism since Mohamed invented it, and he altered parts of the Koran to bring in more barbaric arabs. Just look at the satanic verses that were written to appease a certain group of arabs that worshipped 3 goddesses. Or the "strike their head from their shoulder" command to appease another group of arabs that did just that to their enemies. So were was Israel while all this was going on, and were was Israel in 1929 when the arab muslims mass murdered Jews in Hebron on the say so of the grand mufti Husseini .



As I keep saying try harder as your ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA is easily proven false.

All that blabber has nothing to do with the Palestinians being in Jordan and Lebanon. They would not have been there if Israel had not kicked them out of Palestine.

But not one word of condemnation for those who massacred 50 000 Palestinians.


Using your 'logic', there would not have been a war had 5 Arab Nations not attacked Israel meaning they would not have been kicked out.

Either way, they're never coming back.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And your proof of that is what, some twisted ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST that says the blame is all Israel's for daring to be better than the muslims. The fact is islam has been engaging in terrorism since Mohamed invented it, and he altered parts of the Koran to bring in more barbaric arabs. Just look at the satanic verses that were written to appease a certain group of arabs that worshipped 3 goddesses. Or the "strike their head from their shoulder" command to appease another group of arabs that did just that to their enemies. So were was Israel while all this was going on, and were was Israel in 1929 when the arab muslims mass murdered Jews in Hebron on the say so of the grand mufti Husseini .



As I keep saying try harder as your ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA is easily proven false.

All that blabber has nothing to do with the Palestinians being in Jordan and Lebanon. They would not have been there if Israel had not kicked them out of Palestine.

But not one word of condemnation for those who massacred 50 000 Palestinians.


Using your 'logic', there would not have been a war had 5 Arab Nations not attacked Israel meaning they would not have been kicked out.

Either way, they're never coming back.

Didn't happen.

 

[MJB12741]

Here is the irony in dealing with Palestinian mentality. Israel makes peace offerings to the Palestinians, builds a security fence & grants their request for their own Jew free Gaza & Israel is thanked with jihad's & rocket missiles.

Jordan massacres tens of thousands of their Palestinians during Black September & bingo, a lasting peace for Jordan from the Palestinians.

When will Israel end their damn failed Zionist agenda & learn from the Arab countries how to treat Palestinians? LET THERRE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Still Palestinians though who later became hamas

I don't think so. I think that was the PFLP, a Christian group.

They are specific, specific enough for the Jordanian forces to kill 50,000 Palestinians for their terrorism. Specific enough for the Lebanese to kill thousands of Palestinians for their terrorism.

That was a complicated event involving many people, and many countries, for many reasons.

The bottom line, though, is that none of it would have happened without Israel.

What a ridiculous thing to say. They were killed by Jordan, not Israel.

Your logic is a fail Tinmore.

 

[Phoenall]

I don't think so. I think that was the PFLP, a Christian group.



That was a complicated event involving many people, and many countries, for many reasons.

The bottom line, though, is that none of it would have happened without Israel.

And your proof of that is what, some twisted ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST that says the blame is all Israel's for daring to be better than the muslims. The fact is islam has been engaging in terrorism since Mohamed invented it, and he altered parts of the Koran to bring in more barbaric arabs. Just look at the satanic verses that were written to appease a certain group of arabs that worshipped 3 goddesses. Or the "strike their head from their shoulder" command to appease another group of arabs that did just that to their enemies. So were was Israel while all this was going on, and were was Israel in 1929 when the arab muslims mass murdered Jews in Hebron on the say so of the grand mufti Husseini .



As I keep saying try harder as your ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA is easily proven false.

All that blabber has nothing to do with the Palestinians being in Jordan and Lebanon. They would not have been there if Israel had not kicked them out of Palestine.

They were held captive there by the arab muslims who murdered any that took up the right of return in 1949. The Palestinians tried to seize control of Jordan and make it the new Palestine so Jordan retaliated and killed 50,000. They then tried to seize control of Lebanon until the Christians retaliated for the widespread atrocities and killed the Palestinians in the camps. Both times the message went out if you want bloodshed be prepared to have your own shed as well.

But if Mohamed had not wiped out the Jewish tribe then the muslims would never have had it as a religious command to KILL THE JEWS

 

[Phoenall]

All that blabber has nothing to do with the Palestinians being in Jordan and Lebanon. They would not have been there if Israel had not kicked them out of Palestine.

But not one word of condemnation for those who massacred 50 000 Palestinians.


Using your 'logic', there would not have been a war had 5 Arab Nations not attacked Israel meaning they would not have been kicked out.

Either way, they're never coming back.

Didn't happen.

Even though the same 5 armies said that it did, and that they were defeated so badly that they still feel humiliated to this day.

 

[P F Tinmore]

But not one word of condemnation for those who massacred 50 000 Palestinians.


Using your 'logic', there would not have been a war had 5 Arab Nations not attacked Israel meaning they would not have been kicked out.

Either way, they're never coming back.

Didn't happen.

Even though the same 5 armies said that it did, and that they were defeated so badly that they still feel humiliated to this day.

Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, invaded Palestine.

Black September in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Kondor3]

Didn't happen.

Even though the same 5 armies said that it did, and that they were defeated so badly that they still feel humiliated to this day.

Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, invaded Palestine.

Black September in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Palestine (Old Palestine) stopped being Palestine, the split-second that Israel declared Statehood and Independence.

Rump Palestine (a.k.a. Palestine) was born at that very same split-second; comprising that portion of Old Palestine that the Israelis did not claim for themselves.

Everything that has happened subsequent to that moment in time has been a matter of adding-to or subtracting-from Israel or Rump Palestine.

You can pretend otherwise from now until the universe collapses.

It will do you no good.

The five invading Arab countries of 1948 attacked Israel, in an attempt to prevent the infant State from living very long past its birth-moment.

They failed.

Repeatedly.

As they always do, in modern times.

Losers.

 

[Phoenall]

Didn't happen.

Even though the same 5 armies said that it did, and that they were defeated so badly that they still feel humiliated to this day.

Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, invaded Palestine.

Black September in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As of 12 midnight on the 14 may 1948 it became Israel, a fact that was entered into International law. Palestine did not exist as a state until August 1988 so they could not have invaded something that did not exist.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Even though the same 5 armies said that it did, and that they were defeated so badly that they still feel humiliated to this day.

Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, invaded Palestine.

Black September in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As of 12 midnight on the 14 may 1948 it became Israel, a fact that was entered into International law. Palestine did not exist as a state until August 1988 so they could not have invaded something that did not exist.

Most history sources say "invaded Palestine" or "entered Palestine" when speaking of the Arab armies. Of course this took place after the mandate left Palestine.

The 1949 UN armistice agreements called the place Palestine and referenced Palestine's international borders.

Even the UN resolution 3236 of 1974 states:

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

So, who told you that Palestine did not exist?

 

[Kondor3]

Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, invaded Palestine.

Black September in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As of 12 midnight on the 14 may 1948 it became Israel, a fact that was entered into International law. Palestine did not exist as a state until August 1988 so they could not have invaded something that did not exist.

Most history sources say "invaded Palestine" or "entered Palestine" when speaking of the Arab armies. Of course this took place after the mandate left Palestine.

The 1949 UN armistice agreements called the place Palestine and referenced Palestine's international borders.

Even the UN resolution 3236 of 1974 states:

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

So, who told you that Palestine did not exist?

Those history books and armistice agreements of 1948-1949 used the nomenclature 'Palestine' from habit - what that unchartered, unincorporated region had been called for a long time. Rather like 'Arabia', versus 'Saudi Arabia'.

But none of that means shit.

The split second that the Jews of Old Palestine declared Statehood and Independence, citing UN 181 as part of their basis, they implicitly declared new borders between themselves (the new State of Israel, per the 1947 UN proposal) and vestigial Rump Palestine; what was left of Palestine after the Jews carved-off their slice.

The Jews made their claims stick (operative in the Real World).

You failed to make your claims stick (operative in the Real World).

Hell, you were months late (September 1948) to even TRY to declare, and really didn't actually pull that off for another 40 years (1988).

Asleep at the switch.

Again.

The Illinois territory was a different critter than the State of Illinois.

The region called Cheecagong was a different critter than the incorporated City of Chicago.

The Louisiana Purchase Territory was a different critter than the State of Louisiana.

The unincorporated region formerly known as Palestine is a different critter than the fragmented and failing State of Palestine (more like, Rump Palestine).

Feel the burn.

Enjoy the burn.

'Cause you ain't gettin' the rest back.

Not in 66 years.

Not in 122.

Not in a thousand.

Time to pack it up and head for greener pastures.

It's over.

 

[P F Tinmore]

As of 12 midnight on the 14 may 1948 it became Israel, a fact that was entered into International law. Palestine did not exist as a state until August 1988 so they could not have invaded something that did not exist.

Most history sources say "invaded Palestine" or "entered Palestine" when speaking of the Arab armies. Of course this took place after the mandate left Palestine.

The 1949 UN armistice agreements called the place Palestine and referenced Palestine's international borders.

Even the UN resolution 3236 of 1974 states:

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

So, who told you that Palestine did not exist?

Those history books and armistice agreements of 1948-1949 used the nomenclature 'Palestine' from habit - what that unchartered, unincorporated region had been called for a long time. Rather like 'Arabia', versus 'Saudi Arabia'.

But none of that means shit.

The split second that the Jews of Old Palestine declared Statehood and Independence, citing UN 181 as part of their basis, they implicitly declared new borders between themselves (the new State of Israel, per the 1947 UN proposal) and vestigial Rump Palestine; what was left of Palestine after the Jews carved-off their slice.

The Jews made their claims stick (operative in the Real World).

You failed to make your claims stick (operative in the Real World).

Hell, you were months late (September 1948) to even TRY to declare, and really didn't actually pull that off for another 40 years (1988).

Asleep at the switch.

Again.

The Illinois territory was a different critter than the State of Illinois.

The region called Cheecagong was a different critter than the incorporated City of Chicago.

The Louisiana Purchase Territory was a different critter than the State of Louisiana.

The unincorporated region formerly known as Palestine is a different critter than the fragmented and failing State of Palestine (more like, Rump Palestine).

Feel the burn.

Enjoy the burn.

'Cause you ain't gettin' the rest back.

Not in 66 years.

Not in 122.

Not in a thousand.

Time to pack it up and head for greener pastures.

It's over.

Why did you say that the September 1948 declaration was late?

 

[toastman]

Most history sources say "invaded Palestine" or "entered Palestine" when speaking of the Arab armies. Of course this took place after the mandate left Palestine.

The 1949 UN armistice agreements called the place Palestine and referenced Palestine's international borders.

Even the UN resolution 3236 of 1974 states:



So, who told you that Palestine did not exist?

Those history books and armistice agreements of 1948-1949 used the nomenclature 'Palestine' from habit - what that unchartered, unincorporated region had been called for a long time. Rather like 'Arabia', versus 'Saudi Arabia'.

But none of that means shit.

The split second that the Jews of Old Palestine declared Statehood and Independence, citing UN 181 as part of their basis, they implicitly declared new borders between themselves (the new State of Israel, per the 1947 UN proposal) and vestigial Rump Palestine; what was left of Palestine after the Jews carved-off their slice.

The Jews made their claims stick (operative in the Real World).

You failed to make your claims stick (operative in the Real World).

Hell, you were months late (September 1948) to even TRY to declare, and really didn't actually pull that off for another 40 years (1988).

Asleep at the switch.

Again.

The Illinois territory was a different critter than the State of Illinois.

The region called Cheecagong was a different critter than the incorporated City of Chicago.

The Louisiana Purchase Territory was a different critter than the State of Louisiana.

The unincorporated region formerly known as Palestine is a different critter than the fragmented and failing State of Palestine (more like, Rump Palestine).

Feel the burn.

Enjoy the burn.

'Cause you ain't gettin' the rest back.

Not in 66 years.

Not in 122.

Not in a thousand.

Time to pack it up and head for greener pastures.

It's over.

Why did you say that the September 1948 declaration was late?

Why do you ask questions that you know the answer to?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Those history books and armistice agreements of 1948-1949 used the nomenclature 'Palestine' from habit - what that unchartered, unincorporated region had been called for a long time. Rather like 'Arabia', versus 'Saudi Arabia'.

But none of that means shit.

The split second that the Jews of Old Palestine declared Statehood and Independence, citing UN 181 as part of their basis, they implicitly declared new borders between themselves (the new State of Israel, per the 1947 UN proposal) and vestigial Rump Palestine; what was left of Palestine after the Jews carved-off their slice.

The Jews made their claims stick (operative in the Real World).

You failed to make your claims stick (operative in the Real World).

Hell, you were months late (September 1948) to even TRY to declare, and really didn't actually pull that off for another 40 years (1988).

Asleep at the switch.

Again.

The Illinois territory was a different critter than the State of Illinois.

The region called Cheecagong was a different critter than the incorporated City of Chicago.

The Louisiana Purchase Territory was a different critter than the State of Louisiana.

The unincorporated region formerly known as Palestine is a different critter than the fragmented and failing State of Palestine (more like, Rump Palestine).

Feel the burn.

Enjoy the burn.

'Cause you ain't gettin' the rest back.

Not in 66 years.

Not in 122.

Not in a thousand.

Time to pack it up and head for greener pastures.

It's over.

Why did you say that the September 1948 declaration was late?

Why do you ask questions that you know the answer to?

I don't see the relevance of the date.

 

[toastman]

Why did you say that the September 1948 declaration was late?

Why do you ask questions that you know the answer to?

I don't see the relevance of the date.

September 1948 was AFTER Israel declared independence.

How do you not know this????

Anyway, I know how this conversation is going to play out.

 

[Indeependent]

Why did you say that the September 1948 declaration was late?

Why do you ask questions that you know the answer to?

I don't see the relevance of the date.

You don't seem to see the relevance of anything.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why do you ask questions that you know the answer to?

I don't see the relevance of the date.

September 1948 was AFTER Israel declared independence.

How do you not know this????

Anyway, I know how this conversation is going to play out.

I know.

Glad to see that you are picking up on some history also.

 

[toastman]

I don't see the relevance of the date.

September 1948 was AFTER Israel declared independence.

How do you not know this????

Anyway, I know how this conversation is going to play out.

I know.

Glad to see that you are picking up on some history also.

You always debate things that are not up for debate. And you're always wrong about everything.
Why do you even bother?

 

[P F Tinmore]

September 1948 was AFTER Israel declared independence.

How do you not know this????

Anyway, I know how this conversation is going to play out.

I know.

Glad to see that you are picking up on some history also.

You always debate things that are not up for debate. And you're always wrong about everything.
Why do you even bother?

The debate is changing.