Which should have first priority: The woman, the fertilized egg, or the fetus?

[JakeStarkey]

Redfish above completely ignored, "40% of the American women who have abortions live below the poverty line. Another 27% have income over the poverty line but under 200% of the poverty line. Fully 75% of women who have abortions cite financial reasons for their abortions. Only 20% of abortions are obtained by women with the means to support their children" by dragonlady.

That has nothing to do with Ronald Reagan, Margaret Sanger, Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, Redfish, you the reader, or me.

Stay with the facts, fool fish.

So, lets take your argument to its logical conclusion. If the federal government guaranteed every American citizen an annual income of 100K there would be zero abortions????

That is your fool conclusion, fool fish.

The proper conclusion is to support women with educational training, with pre- and post-natal support, shelter, food, etc. We the taxpayer are going to pay one way or another if women have children the which they cannot or have real difficulties in supporting. We will pay up front or in the back.

You, fool fish, want women to have children then blame the mothers if they can 't raise their offspring well because of final difficulties. Let's make them good tax payers instead.

Wrong, you and the other fool said that abortions occur because of economic problems whereby the mother thinks she cannot support another child. I gave you a solution. You reject it because your original premise is bullshit. We get it.

My premise is correct. You continue to see the world through a discredited ideology, while I see it realistically. Your type of wishful stupidity is why we cannot allow a Trump to be President.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Redfish above completely ignored, "40% of the American women who have abortions live below the poverty line. Another 27% have income over the poverty line but under 200% of the poverty line. Fully 75% of women who have abortions cite financial reasons for their abortions. Only 20% of abortions are obtained by women with the means to support their children" by dragonlady.

That has nothing to do with Ronald Reagan, Margaret Sanger, Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, Redfish, you the reader, or me.

Stay with the facts, fool fish.

So, lets take your argument to its logical conclusion. If the federal government guaranteed every American citizen an annual income of 100K there would be zero abortions????

That is your fool conclusion, fool fish.

The proper conclusion is to support women with educational training, with pre- and post-natal support, shelter, food, etc. We the taxpayer are going to pay one way or another if women have children the which they cannot or have real difficulties in supporting. We will pay up front or in the back.

You, fool fish, want women to have children then blame the mothers if they can 't raise their offspring well because of final difficulties. Let's make them good tax payers instead.

Wrong, you and the other fool said that abortions occur because of economic problems whereby the mother thinks she cannot support another child. I gave you a solution. You reject it because your original premise is bullshit. We get it.

The stupidity is astounding.....it validates

Redfish above completely ignored, "40% of the American women who have abortions live below the poverty line. Another 27% have income over the poverty line but under 200% of the poverty line. Fully 75% of women who have abortions cite financial reasons for their abortions. Only 20% of abortions are obtained by women with the means to support their children" by dragonlady.

That has nothing to do with Ronald Reagan, Margaret Sanger, Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, Redfish, you the reader, or me.

Stay with the facts, fool fish.

So, lets take your argument to its logical conclusion. If the federal government guaranteed every American citizen an annual income of 100K there would be zero abortions????

That is your fool conclusion, fool fish.

The proper conclusion is to support women with educational training, with pre- and post-natal support, shelter, food, etc. We the taxpayer are going to pay one way or another if women have children the which they cannot or have real difficulties in supporting. We will pay up front or in the back.

You, fool fish, want women to have children then blame the mothers if they can 't raise their offspring well because of final difficulties. Let's make them good tax payers instead.

Wrong, you and the other fool said that abortions occur because of economic problems whereby the mother thinks she cannot support another child. I gave you a solution. You reject it because your original premise is bullshit. We get it.

As the saying goes, the difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limitations.

It is a defining characteristic of Leftists that they accept materialism, which explains their acceptance of communism/socialism.



Remember this moron from Obama's administration who blamed terrorism on lack of jobs....

"State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said Monday night on MSNBC that 'we cannot win this war by killing them, we cannot kill our way out of this war.'

Instead, she said, the administration should 'go after the root causes that leads people to join these groups' – including 'lack of opportunity for jobs.'

'We can work with countries around the world to help improve their governance,' Harf insisted. 'We can help them build their economies so they can have job opportunities for these people.'"
State Dept. says 'we cannot win this war' vs ISIS 'by killing them'


Looking at the prevalence of Liberals, I have no doubt that the number of IQ points remains constant, and must be divided among an ever increasing population.

 

[JakeStarkey]

PC is the most materialistic poster on the Board.

 

[Redfish]

PC is the most materialistic poster on the Board.

and you are the most stupid.

 

[JakeStarkey]

PC is the most materialistic poster on the Board.

and you are the most stupid.

and that is why we call you blow fish

 

[Redfish]

PC is the most materialistic poster on the Board.

and you are the most stupid.

and that is why we call you blow fish

"you can call me ray, or you can call me jay, or you can call me RJ, or you can call me ray jay, but you don't have to call me Johnson."

you are so foolish that I can only revert to an old skit on Ed Sullivan.

 

[Dragonlady]

once again you miss the point, not the least bit surprising. so let me try again, liberalism results in the degradation of society, no matter where it is practiced. History verifies that.

That's both foolish and false. Countries with conservative values where abortion is illegal, have some of the highest abortion rates. The Phillipines is a conservative Catholic country with the strictest abortion laws in the world. With a population less than 1/3 that of the US, Phillipine women have close to 600,000 per year. Every year 100,000 Phillipine women are hospitalized for complications of botched illegal abortions.

Canada, a very liberal country, has abortion rate half of that in the US. Abortion is paid for with tax dollars here and is fully legal. The same can be said of Western European countries. All of the countries have mandated maternity leaves and day care supports for low income families but strong supports for families are part of our social safety net.

These are not coincidences. These countries also teach birth control as part of the school curriculum. No opting out.

 

[Chuz Life]

once again you miss the point, not the least bit surprising. so let me try again, liberalism results in the degradation of society, no matter where it is practiced. History verifies that.

That's both foolish and false. Countries with conservative values where abortion is illegal, have some of the highest abortion rates. The Phillipines is a conservative Catholic country with the strictest abortion laws in the world. With a population less than 1/3 that of the US, Phillipine women have close to 600,000 per year. Every year 100,000 Phillipine women are hospitalized for complications of botched illegal abortions.

Canada, a very liberal country, has abortion rate half of that in the US. Abortion is paid for with tax dollars here and is fully legal. The same can be said of Western European countries. All of the countries have mandated maternity leaves and day care supports for low income families but strong supports for families are part of our social safety net.

These are not coincidences. These countries also teach birth control as part of the school curriculum. No opting out.

You are making his point.

It is because of the liberalism attitude and the actions of the people that runs counter to the more conservative government and policies of the Philippines - that the numbers are high.

 

[JakeStarkey]

PC is the most materialistic poster on the Board.

and you are the most stupid.

and that is why we call you blow fish

"you can call me ray, or you can call me jay, or you can call me RJ, or you can call me ray jay, but you don't have to call me Johnson."

you are so foolish that I can only revert to an old skit on Ed Sullivan.

You and your socks are the comedy show on the Board.

 

[JakeStarkey]

once again you miss the point, not the least bit surprising. so let me try again, liberalism results in the degradation of society, no matter where it is practiced. History verifies that.

That's both foolish and false. Countries with conservative values where abortion is illegal, have some of the highest abortion rates. The Phillipines is a conservative Catholic country with the strictest abortion laws in the world. With a population less than 1/3 that of the US, Phillipine women have close to 600,000 per year. Every year 100,000 Phillipine women are hospitalized for complications of botched illegal abortions.

Canada, a very liberal country, has abortion rate half of that in the US. Abortion is paid for with tax dollars here and is fully legal. The same can be said of Western European countries. All of the countries have mandated maternity leaves and day care supports for low income families but strong supports for families are part of our social safety net.

These are not coincidences. These countries also teach birth control as part of the school curriculum. No opting out.

You are making his point.

It is because of the liberalism attitude and the actions of the people that runs counter to the more conservative government and policies of the Philippines - that the numbers are high.

Youa re a confused young man.

 

[Cecilie1200]

This is a sincere poll. I would appreciate honest answers. If you're willing, I would also appreciate your reasons. I will not criticize your choice. I would just honestly like to know where USMB posters stand on this issue.

NOTE: I know there are many possible variables, but this poll assumes "typical" circumstances. In other words, this is a superficial poll that assumes "normal/average" circumstances - meaning no rape, incest, health, deformity, financial, or other extenuating issues.

I'll answer it......but first tell me- am I the woman, the egg or the fetus.

Well, that's honest, but the premise is actually that you're you, just as you are now.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

This is a sincere poll. I would appreciate honest answers. If you're willing, I would also appreciate your reasons. I will not criticize your choice. I would just honestly like to know where USMB posters stand on this issue.

NOTE: I know there are many possible variables, but this poll assumes "typical" circumstances. In other words, this is a superficial poll that assumes "normal/average" circumstances - meaning no rape, incest, health, deformity, financial, or other extenuating issues.

I'll answer it......but first tell me- am I the woman, the egg or the fetus.

Well, that's honest, but the premise is actually that you're you, just as you are now.

Then I vote for the woman.

 

[Cecilie1200]

This is a sincere poll. I would appreciate honest answers. If you're willing, I would also appreciate your reasons. I will not criticize your choice. I would just honestly like to know where USMB posters stand on this issue.

NOTE: I know there are many possible variables, but this poll assumes "typical" circumstances. In other words, this is a superficial poll that assumes "normal/average" circumstances - meaning no rape, incest, health, deformity, financial, or other extenuating issues.

I'll answer it......but first tell me- am I the woman, the egg or the fetus.

Well, that's honest, but the premise is actually that you're you, just as you are now.

Then I vote for the woman.

Why?

 

[BuckToothMoron]

This is a sincere poll. I would appreciate honest answers. If you're willing, I would also appreciate your reasons. I will not criticize your choice. I would just honestly like to know where USMB posters stand on this issue.

NOTE: I know there are many possible variables, but this poll assumes "typical" circumstances. In other words, this is a superficial poll that assumes "normal/average" circumstances - meaning no rape, incest, health, deformity, financial, or other extenuating issues.

I'll answer it......but first tell me- am I the woman, the egg or the fetus.

Well, that's honest, but the premise is actually that you're you, just as you are now.

Then I vote for the woman.

Why?

First, let me preface by saying I have no religious view on the subject. I have no recollection of anytime I spent in the womb. Perhaps my soul was in another fetus which was aborted, but I have no sense of it. I suspect a young fetus has no sense of what is occurring as well. So are you harming something that doesn't sense anything. Of course there is a line of demarcation. For me, that line is fuzzy, but I think it exist in the first trimester, and if a fetus is medically viable outside of the womb, then I can abort it.

I hate the question and the topic as it pertains to the federal government. Let states and local governments allow or not as they see fit.

 

[Cecilie1200]

This is a sincere poll. I would appreciate honest answers. If you're willing, I would also appreciate your reasons. I will not criticize your choice. I would just honestly like to know where USMB posters stand on this issue.

NOTE: I know there are many possible variables, but this poll assumes "typical" circumstances. In other words, this is a superficial poll that assumes "normal/average" circumstances - meaning no rape, incest, health, deformity, financial, or other extenuating issues.

I'll answer it......but first tell me- am I the woman, the egg or the fetus.

Well, that's honest, but the premise is actually that you're you, just as you are now.

Then I vote for the woman.

Why?

First, let me preface by saying I have no religious view on the subject. I have no recollection of anytime I spent in the womb. Perhaps my soul was in another fetus which was aborted, but I have no sense of it. I suspect a young fetus has no sense of what is occurring as well. So are you harming something that doesn't sense anything. Of course there is a line of demarcation. For me, that line is fuzzy, but I think it exist in the first trimester, and if a fetus is medically viable outside of the womb, then I can abort it.

I hate the question and the topic as it pertains to the federal government. Let states and local governments allow or not as they see fit.

You know that didn't make a whole lot of linear sense, right?

 

[BuckToothMoron]

I'll answer it......but first tell me- am I the woman, the egg or the fetus.

Well, that's honest, but the premise is actually that you're you, just as you are now.

Then I vote for the woman.

Why?

First, let me preface by saying I have no religious view on the subject. I have no recollection of anytime I spent in the womb. Perhaps my soul was in another fetus which was aborted, but I have no sense of it. I suspect a young fetus has no sense of what is occurring as well. So are you harming something that doesn't sense anything. Of course there is a line of demarcation. For me, that line is fuzzy, but I think it exist in the first trimester, and if a fetus is medically viable outside of the womb, then I can abort it.

I hate the question and the topic as it pertains to the federal government. Let states and local governments allow or not as they see fit.

You know that didn't make a whole lot of linear sense, right?

You mean it didn't make sense to you. So what is the right answer in a linear sense?

 

[Dragonlady]

once again you miss the point, not the least bit surprising. so let me try again, liberalism results in the degradation of society, no matter where it is practiced. History verifies that.

That's both foolish and false. Countries with conservative values where abortion is illegal, have some of the highest abortion rates. The Phillipines is a conservative Catholic country with the strictest abortion laws in the world. With a population less than 1/3 that of the US, Phillipine women have close to 600,000 per year. Every year 100,000 Phillipine women are hospitalized for complications of botched illegal abortions.

Canada, a very liberal country, has abortion rate half of that in the US. Abortion is paid for with tax dollars here and is fully legal. The same can be said of Western European countries. All of the countries have mandated maternity leaves and day care supports for low income families but strong supports for families are part of our social safety net.

These are not coincidences. These countries also teach birth control as part of the school curriculum. No opting out.

You are making his point.

It is because of the liberalism attitude and the actions of the people that runs counter to the more conservative government and policies of the Philippines - that the numbers are high.

Countries with restrictive abortion laws can't stop abortion. If you want people to Chuz Life, it has to a viable choice for the woman and her family. One where she can keep her job and have affordable child care available, as well as a living wage.


The more liberal the country, the lower the abortion rate. Abortion rates are higher in conservative countries because they have fewer family supports.

 

[Redfish]

once again you miss the point, not the least bit surprising. so let me try again, liberalism results in the degradation of society, no matter where it is practiced. History verifies that.

That's both foolish and false. Countries with conservative values where abortion is illegal, have some of the highest abortion rates. The Phillipines is a conservative Catholic country with the strictest abortion laws in the world. With a population less than 1/3 that of the US, Phillipine women have close to 600,000 per year. Every year 100,000 Phillipine women are hospitalized for complications of botched illegal abortions.

Canada, a very liberal country, has abortion rate half of that in the US. Abortion is paid for with tax dollars here and is fully legal. The same can be said of Western European countries. All of the countries have mandated maternity leaves and day care supports for low income families but strong supports for families are part of our social safety net.

These are not coincidences. These countries also teach birth control as part of the school curriculum. No opting out.

You are making his point.

It is because of the liberalism attitude and the actions of the people that runs counter to the more conservative government and policies of the Philippines - that the numbers are high.

Countries with restrictive abortion laws can't stop abortion. If you want people to Chuz Life, it has to a viable choice for the woman and her family. One where she can keep her job and have affordable child care available, as well as a living wage.


The more liberal the country, the lower the abortion rate. Abortion rates are higher in conservative countries because they have fewer family supports.

abortion and birth rates are lower in liberal countries because the people are miserable and don't screw much.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Well, that's honest, but the premise is actually that you're you, just as you are now.

Then I vote for the woman.

Why?

First, let me preface by saying I have no religious view on the subject. I have no recollection of anytime I spent in the womb. Perhaps my soul was in another fetus which was aborted, but I have no sense of it. I suspect a young fetus has no sense of what is occurring as well. So are you harming something that doesn't sense anything. Of course there is a line of demarcation. For me, that line is fuzzy, but I think it exist in the first trimester, and if a fetus is medically viable outside of the womb, then I can abort it.

I hate the question and the topic as it pertains to the federal government. Let states and local governments allow or not as they see fit.

You know that didn't make a whole lot of linear sense, right?

You mean it didn't make sense to you. So what is the right answer in a linear sense?

I'm not saying it was the "wrong" answer. I'm saying that it didn't make grammatically linear sense. As in, beyond the general theme of - I guess - that you only consider the woman of value, I really didn't clearly understand what you said.

 

[Lakhota]

A good day for women's reproductive rights. Thank you, SCOTUS.

Supreme Court Strikes Down Texas Abortion Law, Breathing New Life Into Roe v. Wade

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