CDZ Which Past Dem POTUSes Would Agree With Green New Deal?

[JimBowie1958]

I cannot think of one, not even Obama has endorsed it.

It is a pile of Marxist fantasy, nothing more.

But I thought I would ask the folks here, which past Democratic President would you say would have agreed with the NGD?

These are its primary points.

Why the Green New Deal Is Happening Now

It includes seven goals previously introduced by Ocasio-Cortez:

1. Shift 100 percent of national power generation to renewable sources.
2. Build a national energy-efficient "smart" grid.
3. Upgrade all buildings to become energy efficient.
4. Decarbonize manufacturing and agricultural industries.
5. Decarbonize, repair, and upgrade the nation's infrastructure, especially transportation.
6. Fund massive investment in the drawdown and capture of greenhouse gases.
7. Adopting these goals would make "green" technology, industry, expertise, products, and services a major U.S. export. As a result, America could become an international leader in helping other countries transition to completely carbon-neutral economies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...en-new-deal-democrats/?utm_term=.88c8cfc015af

The resolution in Congress from Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) calls for a “10-year national mobilization” that would include:

• “Guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States.”
• “Providing all people of the United States with — (i) high-quality health care; (ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing; (iii) economic security; and (iv) access to clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and nature.”
• “Providing resources, training, and high-quality education, including higher education, to all people of the United States.”
• “Meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources.”
• “Repairing and upgrading the infrastructure in the United States, including . . . by eliminating pollution and greenhouse gas emissions as much as technologically feasible.”
• “Building or upgrading to energy-efficient, distributed, and ‘smart’ power grids, and working to ensure affordable access to electricity.”
• “Upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification.”
• “Overhauling transportation systems in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector as much as is technologically feasible, including through investment in — (i) zero-emission vehicle infrastructure and manufacturing; (ii) clean, affordable, and accessible public transportation; and (iii) high-speed rail.”
• “Spurring massive growth in clean manufacturing in the United States and removing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing and industry as much as is technologically feasible.”
• “Working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the agricultural sector as much as is technologically feasible."

There’s a real question of how much of this could be accomplished in 10 years or longer.


Critics:
Former Greenpeace Canada President Rips AOC's Green New Deal as 'Suicide Pact'

Moore said Ocasio-Cortez's plan to get the U.S. off fossil fuels within ten years would be "a suicide pact."

He explained that more than 80 percent of the United States' energy comes from fossil fuels, and they are absolutely critical for transporting goods and people.

He claimed the only reason to ban fossil fuels is because of dire warnings about the looming "climate apocalypse" from activists like Ocasio-Cortez.

He lamented that supporters of the Green New Deal have been using children to push their policies, such as when a group of children confronted Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) last month.

"The whole climate change movement has now reverted to using kids as a front for not only climate change and ending the use of fossil fuels but the whole ball of wax about socialism. I think that's what they're really trying to sell."


AFL-CIO Slams Green New Deal: 'Not Achievable or Realistic'

In an letter to Green New Deal originators Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) and Sen. Ed Markey (D., Mass.), AFL-CIO representatives wrote that the proposal is "not achievable or realistic."

"We will not accept proposals that could cause immediate harm to millions of our members and their families. We will not stand by and allow threats to our members’ jobs and their families’ standard of living go unanswered," wrote Cecil Roberts, president of the United Mine Workers of America, and Lonnie Stephenson, president of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.

The Green New Deal does not offer sufficient support for labor unions with its sweeping changes that would affect United States infrastructure and industry, according to the AFL-CIO.

Sen. John Barrasso (R., Wyo.) tweeted his support for the letter, writing, "The @AFLCIO, which represents 12.5 million workers & includes 55 labor unions, slams the #GreenNewDeal in a letter to @SenMarkey & @AOC: ‘We will not accept proposals that could cause immediate harm to millions of our members and their families.' I agree with the AFL-CIO."

 

[bullwinkle]

I cannot think of one, not even Obama has endorsed it.

It is a pile of Marxist fantasy, nothing more.

But I thought I would ask the folks here, which past Democratic President would you say would have agreed with the NGD?

These are its primary points.

Why the Green New Deal Is Happening Now

It includes seven goals previously introduced by Ocasio-Cortez:

1. Shift 100 percent of national power generation to renewable sources.
2. Build a national energy-efficient "smart" grid.
3. Upgrade all buildings to become energy efficient.
4. Decarbonize manufacturing and agricultural industries.
5. Decarbonize, repair, and upgrade the nation's infrastructure, especially transportation.
6. Fund massive investment in the drawdown and capture of greenhouse gases.
7. Adopting these goals would make "green" technology, industry, expertise, products, and services a major U.S. export. As a result, America could become an international leader in helping other countries transition to completely carbon-neutral economies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...en-new-deal-democrats/?utm_term=.88c8cfc015af

The resolution in Congress from Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) calls for a “10-year national mobilization” that would include:

• “Guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States.”
• “Providing all people of the United States with — (i) high-quality health care; (ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing; (iii) economic security; and (iv) access to clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and nature.”
• “Providing resources, training, and high-quality education, including higher education, to all people of the United States.”
• “Meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources.”
• “Repairing and upgrading the infrastructure in the United States, including . . . by eliminating pollution and greenhouse gas emissions as much as technologically feasible.”
• “Building or upgrading to energy-efficient, distributed, and ‘smart’ power grids, and working to ensure affordable access to electricity.”
• “Upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification.”
• “Overhauling transportation systems in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector as much as is technologically feasible, including through investment in — (i) zero-emission vehicle infrastructure and manufacturing; (ii) clean, affordable, and accessible public transportation; and (iii) high-speed rail.”
• “Spurring massive growth in clean manufacturing in the United States and removing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing and industry as much as is technologically feasible.”
• “Working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the agricultural sector as much as is technologically feasible."

There’s a real question of how much of this could be accomplished in 10 years or longer.


Critics:
Former Greenpeace Canada President Rips AOC's Green New Deal as 'Suicide Pact'

Moore said Ocasio-Cortez's plan to get the U.S. off fossil fuels within ten years would be "a suicide pact."

He explained that more than 80 percent of the United States' energy comes from fossil fuels, and they are absolutely critical for transporting goods and people.

He claimed the only reason to ban fossil fuels is because of dire warnings about the looming "climate apocalypse" from activists like Ocasio-Cortez.

He lamented that supporters of the Green New Deal have been using children to push their policies, such as when a group of children confronted Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) last month.

"The whole climate change movement has now reverted to using kids as a front for not only climate change and ending the use of fossil fuels but the whole ball of wax about socialism. I think that's what they're really trying to sell."


AFL-CIO Slams Green New Deal: 'Not Achievable or Realistic'

In an letter to Green New Deal originators Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) and Sen. Ed Markey (D., Mass.), AFL-CIO representatives wrote that the proposal is "not achievable or realistic."

"We will not accept proposals that could cause immediate harm to millions of our members and their families. We will not stand by and allow threats to our members’ jobs and their families’ standard of living go unanswered," wrote Cecil Roberts, president of the United Mine Workers of America, and Lonnie Stephenson, president of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.

The Green New Deal does not offer sufficient support for labor unions with its sweeping changes that would affect United States infrastructure and industry, according to the AFL-CIO.

Sen. John Barrasso (R., Wyo.) tweeted his support for the letter, writing, "The @AFLCIO, which represents 12.5 million workers & includes 55 labor unions, slams the #GreenNewDeal in a letter to @SenMarkey & @AOC: ‘We will not accept proposals that could cause immediate harm to millions of our members and their families.' I agree with the AFL-CIO."

Most of the current ones went as far as they could go. Bush 43 tried hardest, I think, but Carter and Clinton and Obama worked with the EPA to save what they could. However it is a little silly to go back in time to before the current situation became so evident. There have always been those who think you can rape the land, abuse the environment, and everything will right itself...because it always has in the past...so far. Those presidents who tried to make gains against this prevalent (and false I think) conventional wisdom must have remembered the old saying..,"When you are up to your ass in alligators, it's hard to remember you are here to drain the swamp!"

 

[sparky]

I cannot think of one, not even Obama has endorsed it.

It is a pile of Marxist fantasy, nothing more.

But I thought I would ask the folks here, which past Democratic President would you say would have agreed with the NGD?

These are its primary points.

Why the Green New Deal Is Happening Now

It includes seven goals previously introduced by Ocasio-Cortez:

1. Shift 100 percent of national power generation to renewable sources.
2. Build a national energy-efficient "smart" grid.
3. Upgrade all buildings to become energy efficient.
4. Decarbonize manufacturing and agricultural industries.
5. Decarbonize, repair, and upgrade the nation's infrastructure, especially transportation.
6. Fund massive investment in the drawdown and capture of greenhouse gases.
7. Adopting these goals would make "green" technology, industry, expertise, products, and services a major U.S. export. As a result, America could become an international leader in helping other countries transition to completely carbon-neutral economies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...en-new-deal-democrats/?utm_term=.88c8cfc015af

The resolution in Congress from Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) calls for a “10-year national mobilization” that would include:

• “Guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States.”
• “Providing all people of the United States with — (i) high-quality health care; (ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing; (iii) economic security; and (iv) access to clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and nature.”
• “Providing resources, training, and high-quality education, including higher education, to all people of the United States.”
• “Meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources.”
• “Repairing and upgrading the infrastructure in the United States, including . . . by eliminating pollution and greenhouse gas emissions as much as technologically feasible.”
• “Building or upgrading to energy-efficient, distributed, and ‘smart’ power grids, and working to ensure affordable access to electricity.”
• “Upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification.”
• “Overhauling transportation systems in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector as much as is technologically feasible, including through investment in — (i) zero-emission vehicle infrastructure and manufacturing; (ii) clean, affordable, and accessible public transportation; and (iii) high-speed rail.”
• “Spurring massive growth in clean manufacturing in the United States and removing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing and industry as much as is technologically feasible.”
• “Working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the agricultural sector as much as is technologically feasible."

There’s a real question of how much of this could be accomplished in 10 years or longer.


Critics:
Former Greenpeace Canada President Rips AOC's Green New Deal as 'Suicide Pact'

Moore said Ocasio-Cortez's plan to get the U.S. off fossil fuels within ten years would be "a suicide pact."

He explained that more than 80 percent of the United States' energy comes from fossil fuels, and they are absolutely critical for transporting goods and people.

He claimed the only reason to ban fossil fuels is because of dire warnings about the looming "climate apocalypse" from activists like Ocasio-Cortez.

He lamented that supporters of the Green New Deal have been using children to push their policies, such as when a group of children confronted Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) last month.

"The whole climate change movement has now reverted to using kids as a front for not only climate change and ending the use of fossil fuels but the whole ball of wax about socialism. I think that's what they're really trying to sell."


AFL-CIO Slams Green New Deal: 'Not Achievable or Realistic'

In an letter to Green New Deal originators Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) and Sen. Ed Markey (D., Mass.), AFL-CIO representatives wrote that the proposal is "not achievable or realistic."

"We will not accept proposals that could cause immediate harm to millions of our members and their families. We will not stand by and allow threats to our members’ jobs and their families’ standard of living go unanswered," wrote Cecil Roberts, president of the United Mine Workers of America, and Lonnie Stephenson, president of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.

The Green New Deal does not offer sufficient support for labor unions with its sweeping changes that would affect United States infrastructure and industry, according to the AFL-CIO.

Sen. John Barrasso (R., Wyo.) tweeted his support for the letter, writing, "The @AFLCIO, which represents 12.5 million workers & includes 55 labor unions, slams the #GreenNewDeal in a letter to @SenMarkey & @AOC: ‘We will not accept proposals that could cause immediate harm to millions of our members and their families.' I agree with the AFL-CIO."

Conveiniently leaving out the potus who started the EPA, OSHA & NOLA in the usual spat of partisan petulance paints your putz poll disingenous Jimmy

~S~

 

[sparky]

Further, having paid dues to the AFL-CIO in my past , America's most corrupt union org , constitutes a poor metric

And as a career spark, the IBEW cab kiss this rats a*s

zero credibility, from vultures , does your OP little justice Jimbo

~S~

 

[beautress]

AOC sees pollution as being fixed by everybody else except herself doing recycling. She does no recycling.

​

 

[JimBowie1958]

Conveiniently leaving out the potus who started the EPA, OSHA & NOLA in the usual spat of partisan petulance paints your putz poll disingenous Jimmy

~S~

You could ask me why I did leave out all the GOP POTUSes, dude.

AOC claims that the pursuit of agendas like the GND are what made the Democratic party dominant in American politics, so I am curious as to which Democratic POTUSes anyone here thinks might or would have supported the GND.

It is not partisan to ask that.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Further, having paid dues to the AFL-CIO in my past , America's most corrupt union org , constitutes a poor metric

And as a career spark, the IBEW cab kiss this rats a*s

zero credibility, from vultures , does your OP little justice Jimbo

~S~

The AFL-CIO is just about all unions, so it is both the least and most corrupt union in the USA.

Besides, no way is it more corrupt than the Teamsters Union.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Most of the current ones went as far as they could go. Bush 43 tried hardest, I think, but Carter and Clinton and Obama worked with the EPA to save what they could.

Tried hardest to do what? Shoe-horn Socialism into the government via ecological policies? Kill millions of people?

What exactly do you think the goal of the Green New Deal is? Fighting the chimera of Human Causes Climate Change?

However it is a little silly to go back in time to before the current situation became so evident. There have always been those who think you can rape the land, abuse the environment, and everything will right itself...because it always has in the past...so far.

How is driving a car raping the land?

Did you know that electrical vehicles will cause MORE green house gasses to be generated at the electrical power plant than what is caused by driving a gasoline powered car?

Those presidents who tried to make gains against this prevalent (and false I think) conventional wisdom must have remembered the old saying..,"When you are up to your ass in alligators, it's hard to remember you are here to drain the swamp!"

More like when you are u p to your ass in Will'o Wisps its time to remember that they are not real and only products of your imagination.

Untill there is solid convincing evidence of Anthropic Driven Climate Change that is not merely co-related effects of something and proposes a theory that can actually has a test where it can be disproven scientifically, which ADCC does not, then it is not science it is ideology in science drag. It is certainly not something that warrants returning to the Stone Age.

 

[JimBowie1958]

AOC sees pollution as being fixed by everybody else except herself doing recycling. She does no recycling.

Beatress, this is not merely a fight against pollution which I think 90% of US citizens support.

The GND is socialism instituted through the EPA regs, and it is a political prop that has the dangerous potential to be written into law by ideological fanatics should the Democrats get a slim majority in both houses with a Democrat President.

And that would be a disaster worse than a 2 degree increase in temperature.

 

[bullwinkle]

Tried hardest to do what? Shoe-horn Socialism into the government via ecological policies? Kill millions of people?

'Splain an example of "Socialism into government via ecological policies", and especially explain trying hard to "kill millions of people". We are evidently not on the same page. Somehow, I just can't connect stopping chemical waste into rivers and streams or regulating mine slag heaps or preventing clear cutting of timber or even truth in weights and measures and labeling as the dread "Socialism" you cite. So in order to understand your meaning, please advise.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Tried hardest to do what? Shoe-horn Socialism into the government via ecological policies? Kill millions of people?

'Splain an example of "Socialism into government via ecological policies", and especially explain trying hard to "kill millions of people". We are evidently not on the same page. Somehow, I just can't connect stopping chemical waste into rivers and streams or regulating mine slag heaps or preventing clear cutting of timber or even truth in weights and measures and labeling as the dread "Socialism" you cite. So in order to understand your meaning, please advise.

If the Green New Deal were magically implemented in an instant, hundreds of million even billion if it were enacted world wide would starve to death. We depend on fossil fuels to not only bring us our food with minimal spoilage, but we also depend on it to grow food as this is where we get most of our fertilizers from.

As far as stopping chemical wastes, what kind of waste are you talking about? treated sewage? filtered by products?

The definition of pollution, according to eckoNazis, is ANY CHANGE in the environment caused by HUMAN BEINGS. so that gives the government control of EVERYTHING, the ENTIRE ECONOMY AND ALL OUR LIVES 24/7.

If that isnt Marxist Socialism I dont know what else it could be.

 

[bullwinkle]

Tried hardest to do what? Shoe-horn Socialism into the government via ecological policies? Kill millions of people?

'Splain an example of "Socialism into government via ecological policies", and especially explain trying hard to "kill millions of people". We are evidently not on the same page. Somehow, I just can't connect stopping chemical waste into rivers and streams or regulating mine slag heaps or preventing clear cutting of timber or even truth in weights and measures and labeling as the dread "Socialism" you cite. So in order to understand your meaning, please advise.

If the Green New Deal were magically implemented in an instant, hundreds of million even billion if it were enacted world wide would starve to death. We depend on fossil fuels to not only bring us our food with minimal spoilage, but we also depend on it to grow food as this is where we get most of our fertilizers from.

As far as stopping chemical wastes, what kind of waste are you talking about? treated sewage? filtered by products?

The definition of pollution, according to eckoNazis, is ANY CHANGE in the environment caused by HUMAN BEINGS. so that gives the government control of EVERYTHING, the ENTIRE ECONOMY AND ALL OUR LIVES 24/7.

If that isnt Marxist Socialism I dont know what else it could be.

First of all, NOTHING is going to happen 'instantly'. As for the millions starving to death, what are you talking about? And if the predictions of more storms, droughts, warmer oceans occur, THEN starvation is also a given. Who says anything about suddenly not using fossil fuels? You know the goal is to find a replacement, then wean off. I repeat that when the danger of lead was found in tin cans and in paint, we only stopped the lead, not the cans or the paint. When fabric for kids clothing was found to be inflammable, we didn't stop dressing kids. We found a better safer way. And if Cortez lobbies to START the journey, fine by me.
As for chemical waste, our government set the tone and started that years ago, and rivers and lakes ARE cleaner and safer. For some things. it does take a village. How do you feel about traffic lights? Too much government?
you say:
"The definition of pollution, according to eckoNazis, is ANY CHANGE in the environment caused by HUMAN BEINGS. so that gives the government control of EVERYTHING, the ENTIRE ECONOMY AND ALL OUR LIVES 24/7.

If that isnt Marxist Socialism I dont know what else it could be.[/QUOTE]"

I believe that is the Chicken Little Syndrome speaking.

 

[sartre play]

Green Deal, some good ideas, some not. need to look at all options there is nothing good about pollution.

 

[sakinago]

I cannot think of one, not even Obama has endorsed it.

It is a pile of Marxist fantasy, nothing more.

But I thought I would ask the folks here, which past Democratic President would you say would have agreed with the NGD?

These are its primary points.

Why the Green New Deal Is Happening Now

It includes seven goals previously introduced by Ocasio-Cortez:

1. Shift 100 percent of national power generation to renewable sources.
2. Build a national energy-efficient "smart" grid.
3. Upgrade all buildings to become energy efficient.
4. Decarbonize manufacturing and agricultural industries.
5. Decarbonize, repair, and upgrade the nation's infrastructure, especially transportation.
6. Fund massive investment in the drawdown and capture of greenhouse gases.
7. Adopting these goals would make "green" technology, industry, expertise, products, and services a major U.S. export. As a result, America could become an international leader in helping other countries transition to completely carbon-neutral economies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...en-new-deal-democrats/?utm_term=.88c8cfc015af

The resolution in Congress from Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) calls for a “10-year national mobilization” that would include:

• “Guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States.”
• “Providing all people of the United States with — (i) high-quality health care; (ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing; (iii) economic security; and (iv) access to clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and nature.”
• “Providing resources, training, and high-quality education, including higher education, to all people of the United States.”
• “Meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources.”
• “Repairing and upgrading the infrastructure in the United States, including . . . by eliminating pollution and greenhouse gas emissions as much as technologically feasible.”
• “Building or upgrading to energy-efficient, distributed, and ‘smart’ power grids, and working to ensure affordable access to electricity.”
• “Upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification.”
• “Overhauling transportation systems in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector as much as is technologically feasible, including through investment in — (i) zero-emission vehicle infrastructure and manufacturing; (ii) clean, affordable, and accessible public transportation; and (iii) high-speed rail.”
• “Spurring massive growth in clean manufacturing in the United States and removing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing and industry as much as is technologically feasible.”
• “Working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the agricultural sector as much as is technologically feasible."

There’s a real question of how much of this could be accomplished in 10 years or longer.


Critics:
Former Greenpeace Canada President Rips AOC's Green New Deal as 'Suicide Pact'

Moore said Ocasio-Cortez's plan to get the U.S. off fossil fuels within ten years would be "a suicide pact."

He explained that more than 80 percent of the United States' energy comes from fossil fuels, and they are absolutely critical for transporting goods and people.

He claimed the only reason to ban fossil fuels is because of dire warnings about the looming "climate apocalypse" from activists like Ocasio-Cortez.

He lamented that supporters of the Green New Deal have been using children to push their policies, such as when a group of children confronted Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) last month.

"The whole climate change movement has now reverted to using kids as a front for not only climate change and ending the use of fossil fuels but the whole ball of wax about socialism. I think that's what they're really trying to sell."


AFL-CIO Slams Green New Deal: 'Not Achievable or Realistic'

In an letter to Green New Deal originators Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) and Sen. Ed Markey (D., Mass.), AFL-CIO representatives wrote that the proposal is "not achievable or realistic."

"We will not accept proposals that could cause immediate harm to millions of our members and their families. We will not stand by and allow threats to our members’ jobs and their families’ standard of living go unanswered," wrote Cecil Roberts, president of the United Mine Workers of America, and Lonnie Stephenson, president of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.

The Green New Deal does not offer sufficient support for labor unions with its sweeping changes that would affect United States infrastructure and industry, according to the AFL-CIO.

Sen. John Barrasso (R., Wyo.) tweeted his support for the letter, writing, "The @AFLCIO, which represents 12.5 million workers & includes 55 labor unions, slams the #GreenNewDeal in a letter to @SenMarkey & @AOC: ‘We will not accept proposals that could cause immediate harm to millions of our members and their families.' I agree with the AFL-CIO."

Is this behind close doors they’d want it. Or during their tenure as president, would they ever sign it?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Is this behind close doors they’d want it. Or during their tenure as president, would they ever sign it?

Either, just explain why you think so, OK?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Green Deal, some good ideas, some not. need to look at all options there is nothing good about pollution.

But lets rule out 'solutions' that might cause billions of people to die from starvation, mmmk?

 

[jwoodie]

With the possible exception of Carter, the rest of them would have sold their souls to be elected. The farcical Green New Deal would have been eagerly embraced, as long as its negative effects didn't occur before their next election.

 

[fncceo]

I think this has FDR written all over it. Increase the footprint of the government into people's daily lives until it can not be removed.

Communism has been tossed out the front door of history, now it's crawling back in through the window of environmentalism.

 

[fncceo]

there is nothing good about pollution.

I disagree. Pollution, in all its many forms, it the after product of civilization. Without civilization, there is no pollution.

The trick is to advance civilization to the point where our pollution has the least amount of impact. In order to do that, our civilizations have to prosper and thrive.

Historically speaking, a clean environment has always been a luxury item.