Which party has been more destructive to the middle-class? Democrats or Republicans?

Suppressing oil production??

We had RECORD oil production under Biden
Oil production was below demand which drove up the cost. Biden suppressed oil production to force people to buy UV cars. You do understand supply and demand right? People refused to buy these cars, inflation went up to 9.1% and Biden was fired by his own party
 
Yet you choose to ignore the democrats importation of millions of illegals.

Stupid third worlder.
I'm going to give you this one piggy. The Democrats should stop being the pro immigrant party. Or population growth. I think we are over populated and I was going to argue but then I decided I can't defend why Democrats were so pro letting people flood in and claim they are seeking asylum. I don't think they'll make that mistake again. Now that we have less illegals coming, I like it. But now we probably do need to up the legal immigrants we let in. We sort of need them right now. Farmers do. But then once we let in what we need, we need to cut back on how many people we let in.

As much of a shit show as Trump is, I'm going to say that I'm seeing wages are up. Because manufacturing is coming back home and because of supply and demand. So damn it, Trump's policies might actually be working for blue collar people. Nah. Who am I kidding. After Trump's wars and tariffs, any gains those people made in higher wages, they're giving it all right back when they have to buy a car or washing machine. I'm sure of it. And is Trump really worth $1 more an hour? Nah.

U.S. Population Growth Slows Due to Historic Decline in Net International Migration​


JAN. 27, 2026 — Population growth in the United States has slowed significantly with an increase of only 1.8 million, or 0.5%, between July 1, 2024, and July 1, 2025, according to the new Vintage 2025 population estimates released today by the U.S. Census Bureau.

net international migration is the main reason for the slower growth rate we see today.”

Slower population growth was felt across the country. All four census regions and every state except Montana and West Virginia saw their growth slow, or their decline accelerate.

You whites aren't having kids. You can't remain middle class if you have kids.

Facing declining birth rates and out-migration, a majority of U.S. counties are losing population​


But all this is increasing wages. Pro-growth policies and a focus on wage equity have contributed to increased compensation.
 
I'm going to give you this one piggy. The Democrats should stop being the pro immigrant party. Or population growth. I think we are over populated and I was going to argue but then I decided I can't defend why Democrats were so pro letting people flood in and claim they are seeking asylum. I don't think they'll make that mistake again. Now that we have less illegals coming, I like it. But now we probably do need to up the legal immigrants we let in. We sort of need them right now. Farmers do. But then once we let in what we need, we need to cut back on how many people we let in.

As much of a shit show as Trump is, I'm going to say that I'm seeing wages are up. Because manufacturing is coming back home and because of supply and demand. So damn it, Trump's policies might actually be working for blue collar people. Nah. Who am I kidding. After Trump's wars and tariffs, any gains those people made in higher wages, they're giving it all right back when they have to buy a car or washing machine. I'm sure of it. And is Trump really worth $1 more an hour? Nah.

U.S. Population Growth Slows Due to Historic Decline in Net International Migration​


JAN. 27, 2026 — Population growth in the United States has slowed significantly with an increase of only 1.8 million, or 0.5%, between July 1, 2024, and July 1, 2025, according to the new Vintage 2025 population estimates released today by the U.S. Census Bureau.

net international migration is the main reason for the slower growth rate we see today.”

Slower population growth was felt across the country. All four census regions and every state except Montana and West Virginia saw their growth slow, or their decline accelerate.

You whites aren't having kids. You can't remain middle class if you have kids.

Facing declining birth rates and out-migration, a majority of U.S. counties are losing population​


But all this is increasing wages. Pro-growth policies and a focus on wage equity have contributed to increased compensation.
Its a good thing when third world garbage stops growing in America. The states and cities losing population are all run by democrats
 
Oil production was below demand which drove up the cost. Biden suppressed oil production to force people to buy UV cars. You do understand supply and demand right? People refused to buy these cars, inflation went up to 9.1% and Biden was fired by his own party
OK, so even though Biden produced records amounts of crude production he was suppressing it below demand. I suppose then, when Trump took office, he stopped suppressing production and that production exploded to even greater amounts, right?


Ruh Roh. Nope.

People refused to buy electrical vehicles?


Ruh Roh. Nope
 
Its a good thing when third world garbage stops growing in America. The states and cities losing population are all run by democrats
Third world garbage? Wow, you have some room to talk, living in your damn fantasy world that has no basis in reality being led around like a damn blind pig with a ring in their nose.
 
OK, so even though Biden produced records amounts of crude production he was suppressing it below demand. I suppose then, when Trump took office, he stopped suppressing production and that production exploded to even greater amounts, right?


Ruh Roh. Nope.

People refused to buy electrical vehicles?


Ruh Roh. Nope
BIdens policiy was to increase oil prices and he did causing the worst inflation in 40 years. OIl costs under Trump will drop as soon as the war settles and it doesnt matter because thanks to Trump the middle class got a 10 billion dollar tax cut. We need stability in the Middle East and that means Iran's regime has to be removed form power. Something Biden and Obama couldnt do. Long term Trump has changed the balance of power isolating Iran
 
BIdens policiy was to increase oil prices and he did causing the worst inflation in 40 years. OIl costs under Trump will drop as soon as the war settles and it doesnt matter because thanks to Trump the middle class got a 10 billion dollar tax cut. We need stability in the Middle East and that means Iran's regime has to be removed form power. Something Biden and Obama couldnt do. Long term Trump has changed the balance of power isolating Iran
You are never going to understand the whole Biden/Trump inflation thing even though it really is simple Macroeconomics. But will oil prices drop? Technically, they should be at about $65 a barrel. Our domestic industry needs that minimum price. But going forward more and more oil is going to be purchased with Chinese Yuan, not US dollars. That will result in a higher break even point for domestic producers as the value of the dollar continues to decline. Probably settle at around $85 when the smoke clears. The real question is will Saudi Arabia bring the production back on line that was halted due to the war.
 
You are never going to understand the whole Biden/Trump inflation thing even though it really is simple Macroeconomics. But will oil prices drop? Technically, they should be at about $65 a barrel. Our domestic industry needs that minimum price. But going forward more and more oil is going to be purchased with Chinese Yuan, not US dollars. That will result in a higher break even point for domestic producers as the value of the dollar continues to decline. Probably settle at around $85 when the smoke clears. The real question is will Saudi Arabia bring the production back on line that was halted due to the war.
I expect oil to drop to 60.00 a barrel. Biden intentionally increased the proce of oil to force us to buy RV cars. That dumb policy exploded in his face. Also consider Biden was to impaired to mange the nation. We dont know who was in charge.
 
Third world garbage? Wow, you have some room to talk, living in your damn fantasy world that has no basis in reality being led around like a damn blind pig with a ring in their nose.
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Suppressing oil production??

We had RECORD oil production under Biden
These guys don't know what they are talking about. Trump might have saved the oil companies some money by deregulating but I doubt they are passing those savings on to us. If those deregulations are saving us anything it's maybe 5 cents a gallon. But is it worth it? What are those deregulations and what will they do to the environment and our health? I'm sure not good.
He might mean not letting them drill in the gulf or Alaska. But again, allowing the oil companies to drill in Alaska and the Gulf isn't going to save us consumers any money.

Republicans seem to be playing stupid on this and no one has called them out. They say we don't need the oil in Hormuz but by cutting off that supply of oil, we have raised the price of oil overall on the open market. It's why Trump said "WE" make a lot of money when the price of oil goes up. Who's WE? We is Trump and the Oil CEO's as I'm sure Don gets a piece of the profits just like everything else.

As of April 2026, the Trump administration has taken steps to significantly expand oil and gas drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, including securing exemptions from the Endangered Species Act for drilling activities. This policy reverses Biden-era restrictions, aiming to increase fossil fuel production and potentially opening new areas near Florida, despite legal challenges.
 
I expect oil to drop to 60.00 a barrel. Biden intentionally increased the proce of oil to force us to buy RV cars. That dumb policy exploded in his face. Also consider Biden was to impaired to mange the nation. We dont know who was in charge.
Same thing is happening right now with Trump. Mental decline. Who's running that show over there? I guess Trump really wanted to nuke Iran but someone talked him out of it. I also hear some 5 star generals stood up to him and stopped this from happening. They refused to obey unlawful orders just like us Democrats told them they might. Boy were we right. Last night is a perfect example of it.

And look what Trump did to clean energy and innovation. I guess like you, 80 year olds don't care about what happens 20 years from now. You don't care that I might be able to live into my 90's with cleaner air. Gas and coal are not clean boomer.

The Trump administration is actively scaling back federal support for electric vehicles (EVs) by eliminating consumer tax credits, pausing charging infrastructure funding, and turning off chargers at federal sites. These actions aim to halt the rapid transition to electric transport and reduce regulatory pressure on automakers regarding emission standards.
 
OK, so even though Biden produced records amounts of crude production he was suppressing it below demand. I suppose then, when Trump took office, he stopped suppressing production and that production exploded to even greater amounts, right?


Ruh Roh. Nope.

People refused to buy electrical vehicles?


Ruh Roh. Nope
As long as its below demand it doesnt matter how much is produced thats why it went up under Biden that was his intention. Then we were supposed to buy EV cars which never happened. All we got was 9% inflation and lot of lame excuses like Putin did it.
Gas did come down under Trump and went up with the war. When that ends oil and gas will drop.
EV car inventories are backing up. EV buses cant work in winter. Many EV companies have gone bankrupt. Without subsidies few will buy them and they depreciate to nothing quickly.
 
Same thing is happening right now with Trump. Mental decline. Who's running that show over there? I guess Trump really wanted to nuke Iran but someone talked him out of it. I also hear some 5 star generals stood up to him and stopped this from happening. They refused to obey unlawful orders just like us Democrats told them they might. Boy were we right. Last night is a perfect example of it.

And look what Trump did to clean energy and innovation. I guess like you, 80 year olds don't care about what happens 20 years from now. You don't care that I might be able to live into my 90's with cleaner air. Gas and coal are not clean boomer.

The Trump administration is actively scaling back federal support for electric vehicles (EVs) by eliminating consumer tax credits, pausing charging infrastructure funding, and turning off chargers at federal sites. These actions aim to halt the rapid transition to electric transport and reduce regulatory pressure on automakers regarding emission standards.
If I take your thoughts as fact then that would define the Biden years as a success when it was a total failure. A one term president fired by his own party isnt the definitions of success.
Clean energy isnt clean cant meet demand and drives up costs. Thats why manufacturing is leaving Europe and coming here. We have innovation its called nuclear power.
All green energy subsidies are waste of money and an investment in failure.
 
If I take your thoughts as fact then that would define the Biden years as a success when it was a total failure. A one term president fired by his own party isnt the definitions of success.
Clean energy isnt clean cant meet demand and drives up costs. Thats why manufacturing is leaving Europe and coming here. We have innovation its called nuclear power.
All green energy subsidies are waste of money and an investment in failure.
Nonsense! They were great years. You suffered inflation because of a pandemic. You suffer inflation now because of your president.

No that's not why they are coming here.

No green energy is the future. You just won't be here when it happens. Oil and coal are the past.
 
meh, its a psy-op. At most Trump has deported a million, which is a drop in the Bucket compared to what Biden let in.
so you realistically thought in one year they'd round up 22 million illegals? Really? come on man,
 
Nonsense! They were great years. You suffered inflation because of a pandemic. You suffer inflation now because of your president.

No that's not why they are coming here.

No green energy is the future. You just won't be here when it happens. Oil and coal are the past.
then why did you lose 2024 ? Dude, there isn't a piece of logic there. And that defines you!
 
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Oil production was below demand which drove up the cost. Biden suppressed oil production to force people to buy UV cars. You do understand supply and demand right? People refused to buy these cars, inflation went up to 9.1% and Biden was fired by his own party
Oil production was at record levels

Fact
 
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