Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

[Marion Morrison]

My guns have never taken any human life while in my possession.

I don't know what them krauts did.

It's my gun now.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

My guns took no human life yesterday. Or last week. Or last month. Or in the last year.

But the year before that they did? Phrase things better.

Nope.

 

[2aguy]

Crime in the UK is much higher than here, with tough, tough gun laws.

When you consider how many guns there are here legally, 92% are never used illegally. The stats show legal gun owners are not doing the killing. Legal guns have stopped by far more crime than caused it. Three such incidents have made the news just this week, and considering most media don’t want to report that, no telling how many incidents like that are truly happening.

You take away the good guys guns 92% of gun murders would still happen, and then some, as there won’t be anyone to stop some of the attempted murders, crimes that are done today. Crime would go up even further.

And if you think gun running would be stopped or criminals would turn in their weapons, I have this really nice bridge to sell ya.

Not when you take into account the number of legal guns, no. Illegal guns do over 92% of the killing here.

Human life, saved by an armed lawful citizen. Example in point-

Florida dad fires gun to stop 17-year-old daughter's attempted kidnappers, cops say

But the reality is that STILL four times more people die in the US than in most other First World countries.

Go figure.

So, you have people stopping killings, which means that the number of killing attempts in the US is through the roof.

Yes, when you take into account the number of legal guns, the homicide rate is STILL four times lower.

I'm confused.

No, crime isn't higher in the UK at all.

Crime statistics are often difficult to compare, homicide is the easiest simply because a dead body is a dead body.

A while back I looked at the statistics and for crime they were about comparable for the US and the UK except for homicides.

92% of guns are used legally. That still means the US has a major problem. You can try and throw the positives, but the negatives outweigh anything. 4 times higher murder is simple to understand, it's people's lives going away.

Well, yes, sometimes you won't be able to stop the problems. Like in the UK there are still murders, still crimes. However your argument falls down in that the US has so many problems.

To be fair, the largest problem is the US govt and the whole political system. Until this changes, there's no real point in implementing gun control because the US is so rotten it just wouldn't work. But Americans seem to like living in a society where things don't really work properly.

And you are wrong...the British will tell you you are wrong...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

-----


as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

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Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

==============

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

=======


Arrests plunge by half in 10 years despite soaring crime rate

The new figures come just days after it was revealed the total number of crimes recorded year on year passed the 5 million mark for the first time in a decade.

In the year ending March 2017, only 11 per cent of crimes resulted in someone being charged. In almost half of all crimes (48 per cent) no suspects were identified.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...f-destruction-as-cowboy-builder-a3668551.html

Former home secretary David Blunkett claimed officers were more likely to give warnings rather than arrest people in a bid to avoid paperwork.


However, others have pointed to the pressure put on the dwindling number of officers, with a 13 per cent drop in numbers recorded by the Home Office between 2010 and 2016.

Lord Blunkett said: "Police are reluctant to arrest people because of the amount of paperwork involved, so officers are encouraged to give warnings rather than arrest people.

"That means people are on the street who might otherwise be prosecuted and it sends a signal that reverberates very quickly, leading criminals to think they can get away with it."

Campaigners have warned victims are losing confidence in police forces that increasingly treat crimes such as burglary and assault as minor incidents.
========

Speaking to the Telegraph, David Green, chief executive of the Civitas think tank, said: "The police are unable to cope with the volume of crime, and the 20,000 drop in police numbers is bound to have made a difference."

 

[frigidweirdo]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

My guns took no human life yesterday. Or last week. Or last month. Or in the last year.

No, but the fact that guns are easy to obtain means that people are able to get guns easily and some of them will use those guns.

 

[2aguy]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

Protecting my and my wife’s life. That’s why guns are a tool for just that

-Geaux

But you're MORE LIKELY to get killed with a gun.

Well that is a statement made from ignorance of any kind of facts.

Haha, that's funny.

In the US you're 4 times more likely to be killed.

In the US there were 135 police killed in the line of duty. I'm making the assumption here that every police officer has a gun. In the UK the number was ZERO.

So, how is it possible that police, with this great defensive shield of a gun, see 135 deaths in the line of duty in the US, but in the UK they see zero when they don't carry guns?

Oppsie, your "ignorance of any kind of facts" just went up the shitter.

That is easy....British criminals do not murder police officers. They have guns, they don't use them to kill police officers.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Crime in the UK is much higher than here, with tough, tough gun laws.

When you consider how many guns there are here legally, 92% are never used illegally. The stats show legal gun owners are not doing the killing. Legal guns have stopped by far more crime than caused it. Three such incidents have made the news just this week, and considering most media don’t want to report that, no telling how many incidents like that are truly happening.

You take away the good guys guns 92% of gun murders would still happen, and then some, as there won’t be anyone to stop some of the attempted murders, crimes that are done today. Crime would go up even further.

And if you think gun running would be stopped or criminals would turn in their weapons, I have this really nice bridge to sell ya.

Not when you take into account the number of legal guns, no. Illegal guns do over 92% of the killing here.

But the reality is that STILL four times more people die in the US than in most other First World countries.

Go figure.

So, you have people stopping killings, which means that the number of killing attempts in the US is through the roof.

Yes, when you take into account the number of legal guns, the homicide rate is STILL four times lower.

I'm confused.

No, crime isn't higher in the UK at all.

Crime statistics are often difficult to compare, homicide is the easiest simply because a dead body is a dead body.

A while back I looked at the statistics and for crime they were about comparable for the US and the UK except for homicides.

92% of guns are used legally. That still means the US has a major problem. You can try and throw the positives, but the negatives outweigh anything. 4 times higher murder is simple to understand, it's people's lives going away.

Well, yes, sometimes you won't be able to stop the problems. Like in the UK there are still murders, still crimes. However your argument falls down in that the US has so many problems.

To be fair, the largest problem is the US govt and the whole political system. Until this changes, there's no real point in implementing gun control because the US is so rotten it just wouldn't work. But Americans seem to like living in a society where things don't really work properly.

And you are wrong...the British will tell you you are wrong...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




-------

Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

-----


as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

-------

Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

==============

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

=======


Arrests plunge by half in 10 years despite soaring crime rate

The new figures come just days after it was revealed the total number of crimes recorded year on year passed the 5 million mark for the first time in a decade.

In the year ending March 2017, only 11 per cent of crimes resulted in someone being charged. In almost half of all crimes (48 per cent) no suspects were identified.


Former home secretary David Blunkett claimed officers were more likely to give warnings rather than arrest people in a bid to avoid paperwork.


However, others have pointed to the pressure put on the dwindling number of officers, with a 13 per cent drop in numbers recorded by the Home Office between 2010 and 2016.

Lord Blunkett said: "Police are reluctant to arrest people because of the amount of paperwork involved, so officers are encouraged to give warnings rather than arrest people.

"That means people are on the street who might otherwise be prosecuted and it sends a signal that reverberates very quickly, leading criminals to think they can get away with it."

Campaigners have warned victims are losing confidence in police forces that increasingly treat crimes such as burglary and assault as minor incidents.
========

Speaking to the Telegraph, David Green, chief executive of the Civitas think tank, said: "The police are unable to cope with the volume of crime, and the 20,000 drop in police numbers is bound to have made a difference."

I have a British .303 too.

Guess they can't, huh?

Sad. I have everything except an M1.

Why is it so hard to get an M1?

If I could get one (a real one) I'd have to give it to my cousin before I could keep one for myself.

He can't even get one.

He had one when he was in France, though. What exactly is up with the lack of M1S?

 

[2aguy]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

My guns took no human life yesterday. Or last week. Or last month. Or in the last year.

No, but the fact that guns are easy to obtain means that people are able to get guns easily and some of them will use those guns.

More gun crime in Britain.....london gun crime is up 42%.......and that is up from an 89% increase after the ban on guns....

 

[depotoo]

Yes, it is-
http://www.rebresearch.com/blog/crime-us-vs-uk/
Higher than Canada, as well.

Crime in the UK is much higher than here, with tough, tough gun laws.

When you consider how many guns there are here legally, 92% are never used illegally. The stats show legal gun owners are not doing the killing. Legal guns have stopped by far more crime than caused it. Three such incidents have made the news just this week, and considering most media don’t want to report that, no telling how many incidents like that are truly happening.

You take away the good guys guns 92% of gun murders would still happen, and then some, as there won’t be anyone to stop some of the attempted murders, crimes that are done today. Crime would go up even further.

And if you think gun running would be stopped or criminals would turn in their weapons, I have this really nice bridge to sell ya.

Not when you take into account the number of legal guns, no. Illegal guns do over 92% of the killing here.

Human life, saved by an armed lawful citizen. Example in point-

Florida dad fires gun to stop 17-year-old daughter's attempted kidnappers, cops say

But the reality is that STILL four times more people die in the US than in most other First World countries.

Go figure.

So, you have people stopping killings, which means that the number of killing attempts in the US is through the roof.

Yes, when you take into account the number of legal guns, the homicide rate is STILL four times lower.

I'm confused.

No, crime isn't higher in the UK at all.

Crime statistics are often difficult to compare, homicide is the easiest simply because a dead body is a dead body.

A while back I looked at the statistics and for crime they were about comparable for the US and the UK except for homicides.

92% of guns are used legally. That still means the US has a major problem. You can try and throw the positives, but the negatives outweigh anything. 4 times higher murder is simple to understand, it's people's lives going away.

Well, yes, sometimes you won't be able to stop the problems. Like in the UK there are still murders, still crimes. However your argument falls down in that the US has so many problems.

To be fair, the largest problem is the US govt and the whole political system. Until this changes, there's no real point in implementing gun control because the US is so rotten it just wouldn't work. But Americans seem to like living in a society where things don't really work properly.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

My guns took no human life yesterday. Or last week. Or last month. Or in the last year.

No, but the fact that guns are easy to obtain means that people are able to get guns easily and some of them will use those guns.

You asked about my guns.....why are you changing the subject now?

 

[JamesE]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

Protecting my and my wife’s life. That’s why guns are a tool for just that

-Geaux

But you're MORE LIKELY to get killed with a gun.

Well that is a statement made from ignorance of any kind of facts.

Haha, that's funny.

In the US you're 4 times more likely to be killed.

In the US there were 135 police killed in the line of duty. I'm making the assumption here that every police officer has a gun. In the UK the number was ZERO.

So, how is it possible that police, with this great defensive shield of a gun, see 135 deaths in the line of duty in the US, but in the UK they see zero when they don't carry guns?

Oppsie, your "ignorance of any kind of facts" just went up the shitter.

Hummmmm , I could have sworn at least 3 officers were killed in June and the people who killed them were killed by British police with guns.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So, now that we all agree that we all need machine guns, who will sponser the repeal-and-DON'T-replace bill?

My money is on Rand Paul.

 

[skye]

Guns.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Guns.

God, I love you.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes, it is-
http://www.rebresearch.com/blog/crime-us-vs-uk/
Higher than Canada, as well.

Crime in the UK is much higher than here, with tough, tough gun laws.

When you consider how many guns there are here legally, 92% are never used illegally. The stats show legal gun owners are not doing the killing. Legal guns have stopped by far more crime than caused it. Three such incidents have made the news just this week, and considering most media don’t want to report that, no telling how many incidents like that are truly happening.

You take away the good guys guns 92% of gun murders would still happen, and then some, as there won’t be anyone to stop some of the attempted murders, crimes that are done today. Crime would go up even further.

And if you think gun running would be stopped or criminals would turn in their weapons, I have this really nice bridge to sell ya.

Not when you take into account the number of legal guns, no. Illegal guns do over 92% of the killing here.

But the reality is that STILL four times more people die in the US than in most other First World countries.

Go figure.

So, you have people stopping killings, which means that the number of killing attempts in the US is through the roof.

Yes, when you take into account the number of legal guns, the homicide rate is STILL four times lower.

I'm confused.

No, crime isn't higher in the UK at all.

Crime statistics are often difficult to compare, homicide is the easiest simply because a dead body is a dead body.

A while back I looked at the statistics and for crime they were about comparable for the US and the UK except for homicides.

92% of guns are used legally. That still means the US has a major problem. You can try and throw the positives, but the negatives outweigh anything. 4 times higher murder is simple to understand, it's people's lives going away.

Well, yes, sometimes you won't be able to stop the problems. Like in the UK there are still murders, still crimes. However your argument falls down in that the US has so many problems.

To be fair, the largest problem is the US govt and the whole political system. Until this changes, there's no real point in implementing gun control because the US is so rotten it just wouldn't work. But Americans seem to like living in a society where things don't really work properly.

There's a difference between what the stats say and what is actual.

The Difference Between US-UK Violent Crime Rates Depends On Definition of ‘Violent Crime’

"However, a closer look shows the U.S. has more burglaries, rapes, and murders than the U.K. The reason for the U.K.’s higher violent crime rate is their far broader definition of a “violent” crime."

"
According to the FBI, there are four crimes classified as “violent” in crime statistics: murder/non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.

The list does not include burglaries, which is considered a property crime in the U.S. but a violent crime in the U.K.

In addition to murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault and burglary, England and Wales classify domestic violence and all sexual offenses – not just forcible rape – as violent."

So in this case violent crimes include a lot more things in the UK than the US.

Now your site says it got the information from the Dutch, but I'm unable to see their statistics at all, which doesn't bode well.

Also it's from 1999, a long time ago

UKCrimeStats.com - The Leading Independent Crime Data Platform
United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2016

UK and US crime stats

The first problem here is that the stats for the UK are every month and just numbers, the US we have the per capita.

So, the UK says 127,776 violent crimes in one month, that'd be 1.53 million a year. There are 65 million people in the UK, that means we divide by 650. 2,353 per 100,000 people if I haven't made a mistake. The US has 397.

There's no way in hell that the UK has a violent crime rate that is 6 times higher than the US's violent crime rate. I've lived in both countries and it just isn't so.

So, we can see that the UK is including a lot more things in their violent crime.

The US has murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault.

The UK's murder rate is about 1.0 per 100,000.

Historical crime data - GOV.UK

Historical crime ending mar 2015 is what I clicked on, it's an excel document.

Rape is at 30,000 a year. But rape statistics are notorious for being misleading. Sweden has the highest rape rate in the world I think, mainly because they encourage the reporting of rape. The UK encourages rape reporting far more than the US which seems to try and hide the problem.

The US's rape rate is 29.6 per 100,000 people. The UK's is 46. However this doesn't mean that more people are being raped in the UK.

Reporting of Sexual Violence Incidents | National Institute of Justice

"The most recent research, however, indicates that a majority of rape victims still do not report their attacks to police."

"The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) reports that the majority of rapes and sexual assaults perpetrated against women and girls in the United States between 1992 and 2000 were not reported to the police. Only 36 percent of rapes, 34 percent of attempted rapes, and 26 percent of sexual assaults were reported."

Okay, so if about 36% of rapes are actually reported, then the US rape rate is something like 90 per 100,000 rather than 30.

Sure, there'll be those in the UK who don't report rape too, the difference is the attitude towards reporting rape.

But interestingly the highest rape rate in the US is Alaska. A state with a lot of guns to protect yourself. Right?

List of United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia

Louisiana with a lot of guns is third.

California, New York, New Jersey with stricter guns laws are at the bottom. Go figure.

So, there are lots of problems with looking at statistics and you have to understand them.

 

[frigidweirdo]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

My guns took no human life yesterday. Or last week. Or last month. Or in the last year.

No, but the fact that guns are easy to obtain means that people are able to get guns easily and some of them will use those guns.

You asked about my guns.....why are you changing the subject now?

Stop being so ridiculous.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

My guns took no human life yesterday. Or last week. Or last month. Or in the last year.

No, but the fact that guns are easy to obtain means that people are able to get guns easily and some of them will use those guns.

You asked about my guns.....why are you changing the subject now?

Stop being so ridiculous.

Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

My guns have never taken a human life. Never.
Not even once.

Why do you have a problem with my guns?

 

[frigidweirdo]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

Protecting my and my wife’s life. That’s why guns are a tool for just that

-Geaux

But you're MORE LIKELY to get killed with a gun.

Well that is a statement made from ignorance of any kind of facts.

Haha, that's funny.

In the US you're 4 times more likely to be killed.

In the US there were 135 police killed in the line of duty. I'm making the assumption here that every police officer has a gun. In the UK the number was ZERO.

So, how is it possible that police, with this great defensive shield of a gun, see 135 deaths in the line of duty in the US, but in the UK they see zero when they don't carry guns?

Oppsie, your "ignorance of any kind of facts" just went up the shitter.

Hummmmm , I could have sworn at least 3 officers were killed in June and the people who killed them were killed by British police with guns.

I forgot to say this was for 2016. Zero UK police officers were killed in the line of duty.

List of British police officers killed in the line of duty - Wikipedia

I have one police officer killed this year. Not in June.

 

[frigidweirdo]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

My guns took no human life yesterday. Or last week. Or last month. Or in the last year.

No, but the fact that guns are easy to obtain means that people are able to get guns easily and some of them will use those guns.

You asked about my guns.....why are you changing the subject now?

Stop being so ridiculous.

Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

My guns have never taken a human life. Never.
Not even once.

Why do you have a problem with my guns?

Because you being able to get guns means others can get guns. Others get guns and they do use them.

Or do you dispute this?

 

[frigidweirdo]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

My guns took no human life yesterday. Or last week. Or last month. Or in the last year.

No, but the fact that guns are easy to obtain means that people are able to get guns easily and some of them will use those guns.

You asked about my guns.....why are you changing the subject now?

Stop being so ridiculous.

Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

My guns have never taken a human life. Never.
Not even once.

Why do you have a problem with my guns?

Here's your logic.

I never killed anyone, so murder shouldn't be banned.

I never had an accident driving over the speed limit, so there shouldn't be a speed limit.

I never raped anyone, so rape shouldn't be illegal.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

My guns took no human life yesterday. Or last week. Or last month. Or in the last year.

No, but the fact that guns are easy to obtain means that people are able to get guns easily and some of them will use those guns.

You asked about my guns.....why are you changing the subject now?

Stop being so ridiculous.

Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

My guns have never taken a human life. Never.
Not even once.

Why do you have a problem with my guns?

Because you being able to get guns means others can get guns. Others get guns and they do use them.

Or do you dispute this?

Because you being able to get guns means others can get guns.

I'm a law abiding citizen, why shouldn't I be able to exercise my right to keep and bear arms?

Others get guns and they do use them.

Yes they do. What does that have to do with my guns?

Some people drive drunk.
Does that mean I should not be allowed to own a vehicle?
Does that mean I should not be allowed to purchase and consume alcohol?